Snub Gun Study Group

[Outpost75]

I would like to make readers here aware of a new resource for current and prospective revolver owners.

SG² – Snub Gun Study Group – is a non-commercial collaboration with no formal membership, i.e., no dues.


The initial and primary project is a magazine, distributed free in electronic format.

Those familiar with the members-only, semi-annual Broadside of the recently disbanded I'm With Roscoe will recognize the format as that publication was also edited and produced by Nick Walker. While we assume that most wheelgunners usually carry short-barreled revolvers, participation in SG2 is open to all revolver enthusiasts, regardless of barrel length.

If you were a member of IWR, you should already by on the SG² distribution list. If not, use the address below to subscribe. snubgunstudygroup@protonmail.com

[Old School Big Bore]

Interesting. I have 3" .44 and .38 snubbies and one daughter-in-law just bought a 2" .38. I guess I need to visit them.
Ed <><

[marlin39a]

I don’t send my personal info to an unknown email. If they had a website I’d look at it.

[tdoor4570]

Unknown e-mail site no website for SG2

[rking22]

I think the forum software converted the email address to an http link, edit it to an email and give it a try. Mine went when I did that.
Thanks Outpost75 for the info

[Jtarm]

Do we just send an email to that address to subscribe?

[Outpost75]

Do we just send an email to that address to subscribe?

Yes. That is correct.

[stubshaft]

I don’t send my personal info to an unknown email. If they had a website I’d look at it.

Me too.

[ddixie884]

I'm sorry IWR is no longer in operation........

[Beerd]

https://www.imwithroscoe.com/about/
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..

[Outpost75]

https://www.imwithroscoe.com/about/
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.. IWR is no more. kaput.

[ddixie884]

I still don't know how to get to the site. I get a page I can't understand trying to sell me an encryption service and can't get to the site........

[Lefty Red]

I don’t care, just sent my email to it! But then I get my candy from windowless vans prowling the neighborhood too, LOL.

Snubnose revolver is what I normally carry, and those that actually carry daily around here. Solid pocket weapons that are reliable.

Lefty

[Outpost75]

I still don't know how to get to the site. I get a page I can't understand trying to sell me an encryption service and can't get to the site........

Forum software added the http:// when you clicked on the link. Exhasperating!

- just send an email to subgunstudygroup at protonmail.com

[johniv]

I sent the e mail. Got an answer that I was added to the mailing list.

[Bazoo]

I hope they send back pictures of naked guns!

[ddixie884]

OK I got it, thanx.

[Green Frog]

Just thought I'd show a few of our favorite little snubs. :coffeecom The "newest" is a 38 Special Baby Chief's Special from about 1952, the oldest is a pre-War 38 S&W Terrier, and in between is a little transitional post-War 32 HE snub... the one that got this madness started for me. :guntootsmiley:

Froggie

[rintinglen]

One for each hand, and a spare. I like the way you think there, Froggy.

[johniv]

Got the first newsletter!

[rking22]

Just checked, haven’t received mine yet. Looking forward to it.

[alamogunr]

Tried sending email to:
subgunstudygroup@protonmail.com
Got the following message:
The following addresses are not valid: subgunstudygroup@protonmail.com

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[Nueces]

Tried sending email to:
subgunstudygroup@protonmail.com
Got the following message:
The following addresses are not valid: subgunstudygroup@protonmail.com

??

I think you are missing the 'n' in 'snub'

[JeffG]

Thank you sir

[alamogunr]

I think you are missing the 'n' in 'snub'

I sent it both ways yesterday and got the same message both times. Sent it correctly this morning and it went thru ok.

EDIT! I see the problem. In a lower post Outpost 75 left out the "n" and I just copied it the second time I tried to send the email.

[Outpost75]

Tried sending email to:
subgunstudygroup@protonmail.com
Got the following message:
The following addresses are not valid: subgunstudygroup@protonmail.com

??

please try again snubgunstudygroup@protonmail.com (not sub gun)

[JeffG]

Subscribed and got first issue today, good articles. That cut down 45 acp S&W is awesome. I’m a snub gun junky and doubt I will recover.

[Outpost75]

FYI SnubNoir is a different, competing group. Not sure what is going on there... Beware.

[square butte]

Appreciate the heads up on this - I got the first issue yesterday. Very enjoyable. I think i.m gonna print it off. I still don't trust that all this internet business will be here tomorrow . . .

[johniv]

Appreciate the heads up on this - I got the first issue yesterday. Very enjoyable. I think i.m gonna print it off. I still don't trust that all this internet business will be here tomorrow . . .
It may not. Enjoy the info while you can. Learn as much as you can.

[30calflash]

Got my copy also, good articles.

[Green Frog]

I sent in my registration request and got back my response with first issue of the electronic journal very quickly. It looks like there could be some interesting materials in this if some of us who appear here will clean up and expand some of our postings here and submit them to the journal. Since this is a "study group" and free to its members, it will be only as good as the participants make it. Since so many of us spend time sending in comments to this and other forums, the SG2 should provide another worthwhile outlet for our excess energy. :coffeecom

Froggie

[Ramjet-SS]

Sent the email got the issue. I am really happy with the content and the this idea. Great i9bs guys and hope I can contribute. To this fine little publication.

[RJM52]

Thanks...received my issue...

[koyote]

this is excellent stuff, love it

[Dale53]

Outpost75;
Thank you, again, my friend! I got signed up without issue. The newsletter looks to be quite worthwhile!

Dale53

[Beerd]

"Dear Reader,
I hope you enjoy our first issue. You’re free to share this magazine electronically or print it out and distribute physical copies. All we ask is that you provide proper attribution to the Snub Gun Study Group (SG²), don’t charge money for it and don’t modify it in any way."

Okay

https://snubgunstudygroup.com/pdf/SG2-Spring2021.pdf

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[stubshaft]

Got it!

[Catshooter]

Thanks Outpost. Nicely done magazine.


Cat

[rintinglen]

Thank you to BEERD for the link. Very informative.

[VariableRecall]

Could my 4in Model 10-5 be an honorary snub gun since I plan to carry it?

[alamogunr]

I finally received my first email notifying me of a message on Proton Mail. The link took me to "The Snubby Chronicles". That is great,EXCEPT! I detest reading long documents on the monitor. When I tried to print it, it only uses about 2/3rds of the page. I suspect this is because of the European origin of the email system.

Is there any way to reformat to a normal letter format?

[Green Frog]

I got mine today as well. Like my shooting partner Dale53, I’m starting to find myself snowed under with “hard copies” of gun mags and books, so I’m slowly converting to more and more electronic reading. For this book at least, I found that by setting my iPad for vertical rather than horizontal format I could scroll through the pages in a most satisfactory manner.

Of course I subscribed to this group because of my personal interest in and use of snub nosed carry pieces, so as I read, all sorts of ideas percolated through my little amphibian brain for potential articles I could write. I wonder whether my very first snub, a classic 22 from High Standard might be of interest? Then there is the “grave yard whistler” inspired by a special Colt displayed at the NRA museum as a “Vampire Killer”. So many ideas, so little inclination to actually get to work! :coffeecom

Froggie

[alamogunr]

I'm sort of going off topic on my own thread but my first snub nose was a S&W Model 63 kit gun with the 2" barrel. I was a junior in HS back in 1958. .22 LR cost about 50¢ a box. My parents didn't know about the gun and even at 50¢ I couldn't shoot much so I sold it for a small profit. Haven't actually had any 2" barrel revolvers since then but do have a S&W Model 65 w/3" barrel.

I sure wish I had that kit gun back, especially for the price back then($55).

[Outpost75]

Enjoy!

https://snubgunstudygroup.com/pdf/The%20Snubby%20Chronicles.pdf

All credit goes to the authors - Mike Boyle, Andy Stanford, William Bell, Stephen P. Wenger, David Elderton, Tom Givens, Denver Burris, Peter A. Anderson, C.E. Harris, Mitchell Burke, John Russell, Grant Cunningham, Jim Finnerty, Daniel Congiolosi, William G. Hanley, Steve Collins, Mike Pipes and Frank Groth.

If you like this book, please share it with a friend.

[NickWalker]

Hi everyone, thank you Outpost75 for the kind introduction. To respond to a few comments:


I don’t send my personal info to an unknown email. If they had a website I’d look at it.

You don't have to send me your e-mail. You can download everything right from the website, www.snubgunstudygroup.com. The e-mail thing is just for people who want a notification when new content is available. I don't share the e-mail addresses with anyone.


I sent in my registration request and got back my response with first issue of the electronic journal very quickly. It looks like there could be some interesting materials in this if some of us who appear here will clean up and expand some of our postings here and submit them to the journal. Since this is a "study group" and free to its members, it will be only as good as the participants make it. Since so many of us spend time sending in comments to this and other forums, the SG2 should provide another worthwhile outlet for our excess energy. :coffeecom

Froggie

Yes that's the idea. The more who participate, the better.


Could my 4in Model 10-5 be an honorary snub gun since I plan to carry it?

Yes!!


I finally received my first email notifying me of a message on Proton Mail. The link took me to "The Snubby Chronicles". That is great,EXCEPT! I detest reading long documents on the monitor. When I tried to print it, it only uses about 2/3rds of the page. I suspect this is because of the European origin of the email system.

Is there any way to reformat to a normal letter format?

I agree, nothing beats paper. The book pages are formatted as 5.5x8.5", or 1/2 the size of a piece of paper. You may have to set up your printer to do two pages per sheet to get it to show up correctly. I'll be giving away some print copies too.

[alamogunr]

I don't recommend printing the book. It is a nightmare if you are like me and not particularly savvy. It also uses a mountain of paper. I persisted and only wasted about a 20 or so pages. I'll use these to print targets on the other side.

Unfortunately, I had no idea how to follow NickWalker's instruction. Best just download.

[koyote]

links are dead?

[Outpost75]

I received this email today from my trusted friend Nick Walker:

Dear Friends,

Today the SG² website (www.snubgunstudygroup.com) was taken down because of the actions of two individuals, Michael de Bethencourt and Jason Chandonnet.

They have filed a frivolous DMCA complaint against me, alleging that the SG² magazine is their property. This is false. They did not create it and it contains no material from either of them. Nor is the magazine a re-badged publication from I'm With ROSCOE. It was created from scratch and I have all of the original files to prove it. I would have been happy to tell them this myself, but they did not bother to ask. Instead they made an incorrect assumption and decided to cancel me.

Let me tell you why this magazine is a new work. Although I had been working on a 7th issue of the Roscoe Broadside (just as I produced all the others) I could not use it for several reasons, including:
-A couple of authors decided they no longer wanted me to publish their articles;
-A few of the articles had noir themes that would not have fit the format of the Snub Gun Study Group;
-I could not use some of the ads, either because I could not get in touch with the advertiser in time or because the ads included discount codes that would not apply.

So, even if I had wanted to re-use the material I had intended for I'm With ROSCOE, it simply wasn't an option. I had to start from scratch. Production on the SG² magazine began on February 1st 2021, one day after I had been locked out of the I'm With ROSCOE bank, PayPal and website admin accounts. I contacted every author and advertiser and obtained written permission to use their work in a new publication.

I didn't want to make this business public, but this is serious. It's not just the SG² website that's down, but two of my business sites that were on the same Bluehost account are also offline. (Unfortunately, Bluehost decided to cancel first, ask questions later, so I may be looking for a new provider). I am self-employed and this deprives me of the opportunity to earn my livelihood.

The magazine will not be taken down, because it is an original work and does not infringe on anyone's intellectual property. I do not back down and I do not bow to cancel culture. If you already downloaded a copy, I encourage you to share it with all of your friends.

I thank every person who has reached out to me to offer their support. SG² will soon be back and stronger than ever.


Nick Walker

[Outpost75]

For the record, I support Nick in his efforts and do not permit Michael and Jason to use any of my copyrighted material without compensation. I have offered Nick full and complete rights to compile and republish my materials gratis so that they are freely available, but I do not approve of the heavy-handed tactics which Michael and Jason have used without consulting me at all.

This was redneck, low class and trivial BS in the greatest extreme.

I am working with Nick in publishing "Tales From The Backcreek Diaries" as a free e-book. Once it is compiled I urge all of you to distribute it freely without restriction as long as it is kept intact with source attribution.

In the meantime I would invite you all to enjoy what Texas Flyboy has archived on his site:

https://www.hensleygibbs.com/edharris/backcreekdiary.htm

...which has a good start, and when Tom is able to update further, my offer still stands for him to co-host any of my material over there too.

[NickWalker]

For the record, I support Nick in his efforts and do not permit Michael and Jason to use any of my copyrighted material without compensation. I have offered Nick full and complete rights to compile and republish my materials gratis so that they are freely available, but I do not approve of the heavy-handed tactics which Michael and Jason have used without consulting me at all.

This was redneck, low class and trivial BS in the greatest extreme.

I am working with Nick in publishing "Tales From The Backcreek Diaries" as a free e-book. Once it is compiled I urge all of you to distribute it freely without restriction as long as it is kept intact with source attribution.

I can't thank you enough for your support.

[Buzz Krumhunger]

I had started reading but not gotten quite halfway through before it was taken down. I wish I had gone on and printed it.

Thank you for sharing it.

[square butte]

Did anyone happen to download it that can put up a pdf ? Same thing happened tome -Printer got short of ink so I held off printing it. One thing lead to another. Hopefully someone has a pdf

[NickWalker]

Did anyone happen to download it that can put up a pdf ? Same thing happened tome -Printer got short of ink so I held off printing it. One thing lead to another. Hopefully someone has a pdf

Here you go:
https://archive.org/details/the-snubby-chronicles/mode/2up
https://archive.org/details/sg-2-spring-2021/mode/2up

[30calflash]

Good deal, hope you get things fixed soon. Thank you for your efforts.

[ddixie884]

Good deal..............

[square butte]

Got an email this morning with a new site address - I think everything may be back up. Somebody Please teach me how teemed a link - Grrrrrrrrr ***

[Outpost75]

Friends,

Like Jerry Miculek with a belt full of moon clips, we are never out of the action for long.

Use this address for now:
https://nickwalker.org/sg2

It may take a couple of weeks to get the domain back.

Thank you to everyone who reached out over the last couple of days -- I appreciate your support!!


Nick Walker

[NickWalker]

Thanks -- fortunately I was able to get the domain back up sooner, so we are back at www.snubgunstudygroup.com

Now that this little distraction is over let's get back to the fun stuff like publishing books and articles :)

[Green Frog]

On your web page you have an informal poll on barrel lengths. I responded there, but I thought it would be fun to get it going, so here goes;

My vote is for 3” for three reasons;
1) It’s shorter than the “standard” LEO barrel length of 4”.
2) The commonly used barrel length for side matches (so called “belly gun” matches) in the old PPC matches around here.
3) The S&W Model 60-4 is equipped with adjustable sights and a 3” barrel with full underlug.

So, IMHO at least, a three inch snub gun is not an oxymoron, it’s just right!

Regards,
Green Frog

Sent from my iPad

[alamogunr]

I have not seen the poll on barrel lengths but the whole subject of "Snub Guns" had me looking at my own collection. I mentioned a S&W Model 65 w/3" barrel but I overlooked the S&W Model 696 w/3" barrel. I plan to shoot both more in the hope that I can get a little more proficient with the short barrels.

[alamogunr]

Sorry! Double Post. Not sure how that happened.

[M-Tecs]

Very nice. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LIMPINGJ]

Every time I go to look at the site I get the warning that it is not configured correctly or may be hacked and proceed at your on risk. Does anyone else get this warning?

[VariableRecall]

Thanks -- fortunately I was able to get the domain back up sooner, so we are back at www.snubgunstudygroup.com

Now that this little distraction is over let's get back to the fun stuff like publishing books and articles :)

The FBI revolver documents are a great read and very interesting!

Neat to see my own revolver in their roster!

[RonIa]

Here's my snub it's may have ate to much 281318

[Beerd]

Every time I go to look at the site I get the warning that it is not configured correctly or may be hacked and proceed at your on risk. Does anyone else get this warning?

I get that warning with Firefox but not with Internet Explorer.
..

[Outpost75]

Works for me with Google Chrome or Opera.

[RJM52]

On your web page you have an informal poll on barrel lengths. I responded there, but I thought it would be fun to get it going, so here goes;

My vote is for 3” for three reasons;
1) It’s shorter than the “standard” LEO barrel length of 4”.
2) The commonly used barrel length for side matches (so called “belly gun” matches) in the old PPC matches around here.
3) The S&W Model 60-4 is equipped with adjustable sights and a 3” barrel with full underlug.

So, IMHO at least, a three inch snub gun is not an oxymoron, it’s just right!

Regards,
Green Frog

Sent from my iPad

...my vote was for 2.25"...mainly because anything longer doesn't fit in a pocket very well...

1 7/8-2.25"...snubby

2.5"-3.75"...stubby

But would like to see both groups addressed in this forum...

Bob

[Jtarm]

Works for me in Safari.

Hmm, looks like I need to get a true snubby, mine are all 2.5-3” (which technically is not a snubb I guess.)

I’m glad to see some validation of the snubs retention advantage. I’ve been met with outright hostility on other forums when suggesting that a 6” N-frame or full-size 1911 may not be the best home defense gun because it can be much more easily levered out of your hand.

[rintinglen]

...my vote was for 2.25"...mainly because anything longer doesn't fit in a pocket very well...

1 7/8-2.25"...snubby

2.5"-3.75"...stubby

But would like to see both groups addressed in this forum...

Bob

I really like the distinction! It makes for more clarity when distinguishing between ostensibly similar revolvers.
281396281397 = stubby

281398281399 = snubby

[30calflash]

As far as snub barrel length goes here's my thoughts. There's a large variation between various models and frame sizes. 2" for J and K frames, but then you have 2.5" 19's and 66's. There aren't many 2" N frames, only one I can think of. But there are many 3" models out there. Ruger has had 2.75" in the six series.

So, would it be more inclusive to go with the shortest more common for that series of revolver?

[koyote]

I feel like a 2.5 inch sp101 is very much a snubby. I won't argue about the 3 inch on my belt being a bit bigger, but I can put it in a overall or coat pocket just the same as a charter bulldog in .44

[NickWalker]

Every time I go to look at the site I get the warning that it is not configured correctly or may be hacked and proceed at your on risk. Does anyone else get this warning?

I do apologize for that, there was a configuration issue a few months ago where SSL wasn't working properly. It was fixed within a couple of days. I can assure you however there was never any risk to the end-user as my site does not ask for or collect any kind of user data, nor does it use cookies or anything like it.

[THG]

Good work NickWalker.
Thank you.

[Green Frog]

Enjoyed my Summer ‘21 issue this weekend. I’m at home sick and it was nice to have something to occupy my mind. Thanks to all who contributed.

Froggie

[45Jack]

I think if you like wheelguns regardless of barrel length you’ll enjoy the magazine.

[FergusonTO35]

I spent some quality time with two of my snubbies on Sunday, a Taurus 856 and old school 1970's Charter Undercover. They both shoot really well out to 15 yards and get carried frequently. Grips make or break this type of gun more than any other. Taurus did a great job with the factory grip on the Taurus 856. The Charter wears an OEM rubber grip that I think was made by Sile. With the factory wood panels, there is almost nothing to hold on to.

[Outpost75]

Here is link to the summer issue for those requesting it:

Snub Gun Study Group - Summer 2021
Please enjoy our latest issue:
https://snubgunstudygroup.com/pdf/SG2-Summer2021.pdf

[charlie b]

Nice collection of articles.

[Tim357]

Well done gents! That was a good read!