Reloading 30-06 with titegroup powder

[Jim P.]

I am fairly new to reloading and have only reloaded 9mm pistol ammo. I just bought a savage 30-06 and I would like to reload some ammo for this but the only powder I have is titegroup. I know this is not really rifle powder but could it be used just for some target ammo if you keep the load light. This would be with powder coated cast bullets. I tried to buy different powder today but my fin feather and fur has absolutely no smokeless powder in stock. They only have black powder. I actually have some black powder also. Could this be used to reload the 30-06. I know its not normally used but.....

[Winger Ed.]

Put 'Tight Group powder for .30-06' in a search engine.
A few articles and some threads here from years gone by will pop right up.

Holy Black would best a last resort.
Nobody seems to have had much luck with using it.

[Rcmaveric]

You could use the TightGroup. I used it for. 270 win plinking loads. Works great.

I used quickloads to gestimate the load. And then tuned it. Unfortunately there is no published loads and I no longer have Quickloads.

I cant offer you any load information because it would be dangerous.

You could use something Gordon's Reloading Tools to see what your starting charge should. But remember its a dangerous.

Maybe someone can come along with a safer way to dive into uncharted powder waters. I kind of just guessed and rolled the dice with half clue from Quickloads.

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[Jim P.]

Ok thanks. I thought I was the only one that ask about this . lol

[mroliver77]

http://www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm

Here is some info for you along with interesting reading.

[flounderman]

My burn rate chart lists titegroup as just slightly less than bullseye

[P Flados]

Titegroup is an easy to ignite powder with a burn rate not far off of Red Dot.

Ed Harris found that many 30 cal rifles could be loaded with 13 grs of Red Dot and give good performance for target practice. This recipe is rather famous, has been used a lot and is now know as "The Load".

In a 24" 30-06 with a Lee 170, Quickload estimates that The Load will do 1602 fps at 27284 psi.

In a 308, Quickload says this same combination will do 1681 fps at 35353 psi.

I would feel safe trying to duplicate the performance of The Load with Titegroup instead of Red Dot. One qualifier, is that extra care is need to avoid a double charge. A double charge or either Red Dot or Titegroup will fit in a 30-06, and you would not like the results.

Here is what Quickload has to say:


Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .309, 170, LEE C309-170-F
Useable Case Capaci: 65.616 grain H2O = 4.260 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon TiteGroup

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-38.5 16 8.00 1187 532 12776 1431 100.0 2.484
-34.6 17 8.50 1225 566 13845 1516 100.0 2.388
-30.8 18 9.00 1262 601 14932 1600 100.0 2.302
-26.9 19 9.50 1298 636 16037 1684 100.0 2.223
-23.1 20 10.00 1333 671 17161 1768 100.0 2.151
-19.2 21 10.50 1367 705 18302 1851 100.0 2.086
-15.4 22 11.00 1400 740 19460 1934 100.0 2.026
-11.5 23 11.50 1433 775 20636 2017 100.0 1.970
-07.7 24 12.00 1465 810 21829 2099 100.0 1.919
-03.8 25 12.50 1496 845 23039 2181 100.0 1.871
+00.0 26 13.00 1526 879 24266 2263 100.0 1.826
+03.8 27 13.50 1556 914 25510 2344 100.0 1.784
+07.7 28 14.00 1586 949 26772 2425 100.0 1.745
+11.5 29 14.50 1615 984 28050 2506 100.0 1.708
+15.4 30 15.00 1643 1019 29346 2586 100.0 1.673
+19.2 31 15.50 1671 1054 30658 2666 100.0 1.640

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 26 13.00 1529 883 25068 2258 100.0 1.803
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 26 13.00 1522 875 23260 2270 100.0 1.855

[Winger Ed.]

Ok thanks. I thought I was the only one that ask about this . lol


Oh no. Shooters and re-loaders are about the biggest bunch of tinkerers and experimenting folks you'll find.
As old as this stuff is, and the technology for it--- we have over a hundred years worth if info. already logged in.

[quail4jake]

Since Titegroup is an "isomer" of Bullseye....I would like a shout out to Outpost 75 here. I'm all ears as I would like to try it too. I would veto black powder in the Cal. .30 Gov't. 1906....

[john.k]

Believe it or not,blackpowder will work the action of a Garand,for around 3 shots before the bolt doesnt close ,slosh the muzzle in water ,jiggle the operating lever ,and you get another 3 shots.......This was early 70s ,and what I know now,I d say with a beeswax cookie under the bullet ,the gun may work for at least I clip full.

[john.k]

I have reloaded lots of 30/06 with blackpowder......a compressed case full of 2F ,and use the pulled military 303 bullet(172gr)..... est MV of 1400-1500 f.s from a M17......Also reloaded 30/06 with cordite,works well ,but fiddly to get the sticks into the case.

[Bazoo]

Thanks for the titegroup data P Flados.

John, what accuracy do you get with 30-06 and BP? And for how many shots does it hold? Do you have any threads on your work with it?

[Jim P.]

I bought a few 30-06 rounds at a gun show and I shot a couple but they really flattened out the primer. Is this normal or did someone load these pretty hot?

https://i.ibb.co/dmtvPfD/20210207-080016.jpg

[Rcmaveric]

Reading primers is an inaccurate science. Indicative, yes. But exact no.

If those are reloads. They could be in the higher end but not dangerous. You can see where it flowed around the firing pin and into the fire pin. Thats call cratering.

If those were factory, they are fine.

I wouldn't worry until the primer fills the primer pocket and you get mirror imagine of your bolt face. Then your hot. Yeah it craters but the there's is still a bevel on the primer. When you start piercing primers and blowing out primers your too hot and dangerous.

Un written rule is dont shoot other peoples reloads. Only shoot factory rounds or rounds from a business you trust. There are mom and pop ammo reloading. They have the experience and insurance and quals.

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[Bazoo]

I'll second the above. The rounded edge on the primer is still there, and that's what you want to see. If the firing pin strike from your gun always looks like that, then it's normal for your gun.

[Jim P.]

ok thanks guys. I'm not sure what is normal for this gun. I just noticed that the corner radius on the primer is much smaller after it is fired.

[john.k]

AS mentioned ,if the primer is flat ,all is OK ,however if the firing pin dent is raised back into the bolt face ,thats cratered, and not OK,and is a sign of excessive pressure.

[charlie b]

Fire a factory round and compare primers. They should look the same.

I have some guns that 'crater' primers, some flatten them, some neither. They do it with factory ammo so I am not surprised when they do it with handloads.

[Jim P.]

Fire a factory round and compare primers. They should look the same.

I have some guns that 'crater' primers, some flatten them, some neither. They do it with factory ammo so I am not surprised when they do it with handloads.
this may be a factory round. I bought them at the gun show so really dont know what they are. I dont have any other ammo. can't find any anywhere.

[Bazoo]

Where are you located at?

[BigAlofPa.]

I think if memory serves me right. I ran some tight group loads in my Mosin at 6 grains. No ill effects.

[shampine]

Cratered primers are not always a sign of excessive pressure , it can also mean an oversize firing pin hole . I have bolt rifles that crater every round , from reduced loads to jazzed up hot stuff . I have bushed some which fixed that , others I just leave and live with it because it causes no harm .

[Mk42gunner]

JimP, Look in the sticky section above for lots of info about using pistol/ shotgun powders in rifles.

Robert

[fastdadio]

I use Tight group in both 30-30, and 30-06. Works great. For the 06, I load 6 grs. under the Lee 170.

[Jim P.]

Where are you located at?
I'm in northeastern ohio

[Alferd Packer]

Any more of those reloads left?
I would not fire them.
Instead, you should just pull the bullets on them and dump the powder.
You could then reload them using different powder.