Elvis Ammo Vs Fortune Cookie 45LC

[44Blam]

I learned today that this was a thing. Apparently, these guys have a bit of a rivalry.

Thought I would share because I was entertained at the back and forth videos about powder coating.

[Walks]

Each have their own way of doing things.
In can be entertaining sometimes. And sometimes they both tick me off.

I've watched too much of either.

[Joel Chavez]

Both are goofy cuz they PC. Real boolit casters don’t PC their creations. Come on mang!

[tomme boy]

Elvis you have to speed up the playback just to watch him. I usually do 1.75x speed so I don't fall asleep. Elvis goes in to a in depth explanation on what to do. FC45 shows a couple things but never really goes in depth to explain what he does. He is more of a show n tell type. Never really tries to explain anything

[jeepyj]

Both are goofy cuz they PC. Real boolit casters don’t PC their creations. Come on mang!

Haha, and all this time I thought I was a real "boolit caster"

[Coopaloop86]

They both have positive points for new casters and reloaders. I will say that FortuneCookie45LC has helped me much more, especially when I was first getting into reloading and casting by breaking down simple questions I had... just wish he wouldn't get side tracked documenting his entire life and just make casting and reloading videos.

[dverna]

Proof that fumes from PC’ing are not safe.

[AndyC]

I usually do 1.75x speed so I don't fall asleep.
That's hysterical - I've just tried that and it's actually quite practical too :)

[BigAlofPa.]

Fortune cookies vid on the RCBS bench prime tool. Helped me decide on getting one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=S4nShKxk7Gs

[ih772]

FC45 sounds like Bullwinkle when he talks. It makes it hard for me to watch his videos.

[Rcmaveric]

I like both of them personally. Never new or noticed the fued.

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[Coopaloop86]

FC45 sounds like Bullwinkle when he talks. It makes it hard for me to watch his videos.

My wife hates his voice. She comments instantly when she walks in the room and I'm watching one of his videos.

[reloader28]

FC45 sounds like Bullwinkle when he talks. It makes it hard for me to watch his videos.

HA thats exactly what I was going to say.
Seriously, I cant watch either one. Tho they,er better than most (on you tube), I dont think either one should be giving advice.

[tinsnips]

Elvis ammo = Homer Simpson" you sure take a long time to say nothing Marge" !

[reddog81]

Both seem to know their stuff, but the videos are usually twice as long as they need to be if not 3 times longer than necessary. Playing Elvis at 1.75 speed helps and FC45LC can be played at 1.25 or 1.5 and it makes it more tolerable.

[Jim22]

Elvis' introduction turns me off so I don't watch him any more.

[VariableRecall]

Elvis and FC45 almost complement each other when it comes down to their content. FC45 feels more like an older relative showing you the ropes. Elvis is more like your excited uncle showing off his new advancements in powder coating and casting. I like them both, even if they both sound a little weird.

They had done a very good job of showing the important steps of casting and reloading.

[kevin c]

I agree that they're each a bit idiosyncratic, but provide good basic information. But I haven't watched either in some time. I find myself disagreeing with them on some points.

Wiederlader I find to be on point in the videos I've seen on his channel.

[Rug480]

Well hello YouTube, this is fortunecookie45lc coming to you from the hot lead zone

[slide]

I wish they would research some of their techniques a little better before posting. Elvis's low heat method didn't work. FC said to throw away your gas checks, and he absolutley butchered the video he made about hi-tek. Seems it is more important to get a video up than whether the info is correct. They both have contributed alot to the community.

[Murphy]

Joel Chavez, I'm with you mang!

Okay, before anyone gets their feathers ruffled. I understand the needs and uses of powder coating. I'll even admit to being tempted to try it. So far, I've made it without drinking the Kool-Aid.

As for Youtube videos, ya' takes ya' chances, click on em' and hope for the best. Neither of the two Youtubers mentioned in this thread are my cup of tea. However, I give them credit for the help they have given others. They're good guys just trying to lend a hand.


Murphy

[CraigOK]

I got a chuckle the other day when some other YouTuber opened up with hello from the hot pot. I've watched more of FCs videos and found them to be very helpful, but he had a series geared for beginners that went through smelting, casting, luring, etc
Elvis repeats himself a lot when he says hello at the beginning, drives me nuts

[Targa]

Joel Chavez, I'm with you mang!

Okay, before anyone gets their feathers ruffled. I understand the needs and uses of powder coating. I'll even admit to being tempted to try it. So far, I've made it without drinking the Kool-Aid.

I was their as little as 3 months ago..and then I drank that Kool-Aid...:veryconfu Now I will never traditionally lube a bullet again.

[Pete44mag]

I learned some things from both of them, discounted others from them also. You have to admire them for commiting the time, energy and resources to make their videos. I know not everyone agrees on this forum with each other but that's what makes all the different methods to reach the same goal. Not everyone even has the same goal. I have made several videos and it's not as easy as it looks, try doing it in the mirror without a script and use a tape recorder. When your done play back the tape and see what you think. Give them credit they are trying and may help others to discover and enjoy this addiction as much as we all do.

[GARD72977]

I like Elvis ammo. It really feels like you are going to see one of your shooting buddies when you watch his videos. I like Fortune cookie 45 also. I didn't know about thier fued.

[44Blam]

I was their as little as 3 months ago..and then I drank that Kool-Aid...:veryconfu Now I will never traditionally lube a bullet again.

Same here. PC is just easier and cleaner.

[Joel Chavez]

Same here. PC is just easier and cleaner.

Blasphemy

[Old School Big Bore]

I've watched videos from both of them, and not just about PCing. Sometimes when I'm considering buying a new piece of gear, I'll see whether FC has reviewed it. He was responsible for my purchase of two Auto-Drum measures.
Re making videos, most of the firearms-related videos from other "authorities" out there are so amateurish I can't finish 'em. How many times have you been watching one and just wanted to yell, "WRITE A SCRIPT FIRST FOR PETE'S SAKE!" When it gets to that point, I turn them off and contemplate whether I want a nice cold drink...
One facet of my having been a firearms, tactics and classroom instructor is called "train the trainer" under one hat, and teaching "instructor" classes under the other. Same principle. One of the traits we try to instill is the use of some sort of script. One of the traits we try to extinguish is the habit of saying "ya-know?, I-mean, Uh, OK, Like, Awright" etc, when there is no place for that distracting nonsense in the subject material. Most of these classes have the trainees mock-instruct a subject block in front of the class, while the guys teaching the class sit in the back taking notes and videoing the sweating victim. I usually had the task of keeping the "UH" scorepad, with a mark for every I-mean, Um, Like, Y'know, et al. Then the "real" instructors critique the trainee, who is usually floored by how many faux pas are on their score sheet: most won't believe it til they see the video.
There are three types of lecturer, the trained, like the guys that narrate the vintage official GI training films, the natural, like Hickock, and the trained/natural, like Paul Harrell (who you can spot a mile away as an ex-military/police instructor). All develop a style of their own (for better or worse), and the trained one will develop into a natural over time if he has the depth of subject experience and the personality. Without one set of attributes, or the other, or both, though, there are the wannabe videographers who, depending on our own temperament and expectations, either drive us crazy or make us laugh.
Ed <><

[dondiego]

Never heard of either one...............

[Hanzy4200]

Fortune Cookie was a huge help to me when i started casting. I had not found this forum, and knew nobody personally who cast. He was always quick to offer advice and helped me through my beginner fumbles. He is genuinely a really nice guy. Elvis is great, but to long winded for me. Are either of them members here?

[Smoke4320]

Proof that fumes from PC’ing are not safe.
never really renesye bothereeeed sgr Ok :)

[44Blam]

Blasphemy

You say that, but I PC'd 350 boolits in about 30 min and at the same time I was fitting gas checks and resizing another set of boolits. I set/resized about 250 boolits at the same time.

[tmanbuckhunter]

You say that, but I PC'd 350 boolits in about 30 min and at the same time I was fitting gas checks and resizing another set of boolits. I set/resized about 250 boolits at the same time.
I PC certain things, but it's still an extra step. It is much faster to grab bullets out of the box and start running them thru the lubrisizer, because they're going to need to be sized regardless.


To the topic at hand... I watch neither of them. I have long advanced from casting plinking bullets (I still do) to serious casting for long range shooting, big bores, and BPCR. They don't really encompass my interests so I don't watch them.

[rockshooter]

This thread helped me a lot! I didn't know you could speed up u-tube videos! Now I can go back to decaf when watching Hickok45.
Loren

[barnabus]

Elvis is a rambling moron like Hickock.FC45 gets to the point faster than both put together. Just my opinion.

[cwlongshot]

Like all of you I have watched both.

I was not aware of the feud but having friends who know both men Elvis is my guy. FC is a introvert. Elvis is more of a extrovert. Not condemning either its easier to like a extrovert.

For some time I rarely watch FC45 as he has offered noting to teach me. And I find contradictions in his recommendations. Elvis is like a ol friend I do t care what he can teach I like his personality and enjoy the time.

CW

[GasGuzzler]

I have ZERO idea what this topic is about but that's fine.

[OS OK]

You folks need to remember that You Tube is an amateur platform.

These guys, the people who go to the trouble of making their videos are trying to share some 'revelation' they've had in our archaic casting and reloading hobby.
They are trying in their own way to add to and pass on 'tips & tricks' that'll help some NEWB even the seasoned 'know-it-all'.

It strikes me as very sad that I see so many that want to 'Dog'Pile' on someone for whatever reason or excuse they use to do that.
I see lot's of videos I don't care for...I don't go back...I don't kick the guy in the NADS for trying to help me.
For the most part, these people make their videos on their own time & expense & make themselves vulnerable to all the lame commentary like we see here.

I doubt that 3% of us have a You Tube channel and do anything at all to promote our hobby...yet they feel qualified to 'belittle' others for their efforts.

That's a pretty sad commentary!

[Iwsbull]

Well said OS OK.

[chumly2071]

Both creators bring something to the table, and I have learned a lot from them that got me to actually go out and try/experiment in my casting endeavors. As far as my opinion of just watching the vids, for some reason I tend to prefer Elvis. I also have watched a lot less of FC when he went the Patreon route and the 3 levels of membership. I don't have a problem with why he did it (creating quality content is time consuming, and usually expensive), but when he made that move after YouTube demonitized all the gun channels, I just didn't follow to Patreon.

[bruce381]

know FC 45 nice guy, elvis is he still on u tube lost track of him?

[Rcmaveric]

Tell FC 45 I said high. He is one of my favorites.

Os OK hit it on the head. I like both of them. Even through a couple Elvis post we learned something. He is the only one with zinc bullet videos..

If I can get my hands on a cast iron bottom pour pot I will make that plunge.

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[bruce381]

FC 45 shoots at local range has a nice set up camera and crono etc when he is there.

[OS OK]

Elvis is the only guy I know that has 3 ea. 55 gallon drums full to the brim of lead wheel weights...not zinc, not steel, not anything but sweet COWW's!
If I lived on his side of the country...I go over there and sneak off with a 55 gallon drum under each arm!

https://i.imgur.com/rTM4hTs.jpg

[Rcmaveric]

Lesson on socialism.... he has too much lead for himself to use. We each get barrel....

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[sutherpride59]

I’m a little surprised that no one has mentioned anything about Johnny’s reloading bench. I know he isn’t big on cast bullets but his videos are pretty great for proof of concept stuff such as powder selection, primer selection, reloading for new calibers, and annealing and technique videos. He dove super hard into 300 black out and is the reason I can load 1MOA 300AAC ammo now without having to test out 6 different powder combinations and all the primers in the world.

[cwlongshot]

Bug fan of Johnnys loading Bench! I like his style! I sure hope he never blows his face off!!

CW

[tmanbuckhunter]

Another plus 1 for Johnny. He is a bit goofy at times but makes great content.

[tomme boy]

You folks need to remember that You Tube is an amateur platform.

These guys, the people who go to the trouble of making their videos are trying to share some 'revelation' they've had in our archaic casting and reloading hobby.
They are trying in their own way to add to and pass on 'tips & tricks' that'll help some NEWB even the seasoned 'know-it-all'.

It strikes me as very sad that I see so many that want to 'Dog'Pile' on someone for whatever reason or excuse they use to do that.
I see lot's of videos I don't care for...I don't go back...I don't kick the guy in the NADS for trying to help me.
For the most part, these people make their videos on their own time & expense & make themselves vulnerable to all the lame commentary like we see here.

I doubt that 3% of us have a You Tube channel and do anything at all to promote our hobby...yet they feel qualified to 'belittle' others for their efforts.

That's a pretty sad commentary!

Yet, here you are doing the exact same thing. Must be the democrat coming out from the hiding

[OS OK]

Yet, here you are doing the exact same thing. Must be the democrat coming out from the hiding

There's something wrong with you Mister....you can't read plain English or understand what you read either.

Elvis is the only guy I know that has 3 ea. 55 gallon drums full to the brim of lead wheel weights...not zinc, not steel, not anything but sweet COWW's!
If I lived on his side of the country...I go over there and sneak off with a 55 gallon drum under each arm!

Not hardly the same thing I spoke of before, not even close. . . . . "I think your just 'pickin for a good poking'."
Besides, Elvis is a good friend of mine...try again 'tomme boy'!

[44Blam]

There's something wrong with you Mister....you can't read plain English or understand what you read either.

Elvis is the only guy I know that has 3 ea. 55 gallon drums full to the brim of lead wheel weights...not zinc, not steel, not anything but sweet COWW's!
If I lived on his side of the country...I go over there and sneak off with a 55 gallon drum under each arm!

Not hardly the same thing I spoke of before, not even close. . . . . "I think your just 'pickin for a good poking'."
Besides, Elvis is a good friend of mine...try again 'tomme boy'!

I like Elvis Ammo. I lived in Texas for about 20 years and have a lot of friends that have the slow draw and long stories. Teaches you a little patience. I think I'm a little guilty of this as well.

I'll be honest, if you try to sneak off with a 55 gallon drum of wheel weights from Elvis' property, I would imagine that you would be unsuccessful.

[OS OK]

I like Elvis Ammo. I lived in Texas for about 20 years and have a lot of friends that have the slow draw and long stories. Teaches you a little patience. I think I'm a little guilty of this as well.

I'll be honest, if you try to sneak off with a 55 gallon drum of wheel weights from Elvis' property, I would imagine that you would be unsuccessful.

I grew up down Tejas way, was there from 52 to 71...I know all about them slow draws & long stories...told a few myself.
Stealing Elvis's wheel weights is what I call a 'tall story'...can only be accomplished in a good daydream.

Hat's off to'Ya Blam...

[Elpatoloco]

I grew up down Tejas way, was there from 52 to 71...I know all about them slow draws & long stories...told a few myself.
Stealing Elvis's wheel weights is what I call a 'tall story'...can only be accomplished in a good daydream.

Hat's off to'Ya Blam...


Being from Texas, Elvis' drawl doesn't bother me either.

I gave most of my reloading set up to my oldest son who now has a family and home of his own. I kept a couple presses etc for myself. I powdercoated my first slug last year. I watched both guys on youtube and went from there. I appreciate them both.

I still lube my serious slugs 44 and .475. They are my hunting guns and I dont mess with a good thing.

My 45, 9, and 38s now get coated. I can coat and size them and ship them to my son for his use. Cant really ship slugs lubed with Javalina 50/50. His 44s still get loaded here when he visits.

[rbuck351]

When I read the title to this thread I thought there was some new ammo (elvis ammo) being used to shoot fortune cookies from a 45lc. Had never heard of these two guys.

[Wolfdog91]

Honestly prefer Elvis due to his deatil but I like on detailed videos. But with a that being said, you know their actually making videos and sharing.Gotta feeling they've done more to get people into casting than all the fudds who just talk smack and won't make a video them selves just this novices two cents....

[GregLaROCHE]

I learned a lot from FC45 when I started casting. He was also quick to answer questions I left in the comments. I appreciated that. It was unfortunate when YouTube changed there policies and most gun related things had to go. I tried following him to Patreon but my slow satellite internet wouldn’t play his videos, so I gave up.

I watched Elvis some and found his experiments with zinc interesting, but never liked his big batch PCing. I stand all my boolits up.

The only gun related channel I regularly watch these days is Forgotten Weapons. I enjoy that particular topic and it is always a well organized presentation. For the time being, the rest of my gun addiction time is taken care of on this forum.

[OS OK]

The one single 'entity' that deserves all our collective wrath is the platform...YouTube itself.

I started making videos 5 years ago. Then...I knew nothing about editing or dubbing in music or doing special effects like 'slow motion'. But through the magic of the Y-T platform viewers & content makers could get in touch with each other through the Y-T direct messaging. We could share sensitive information like e-mail addresses and then share files and pictures etc. that would explain what we were trying to get across to each other. We helped each other improve our video skills the same way we helped with our casting/reloading.
I made several good friends from then that I still have today.

Since then...after suckering all us content makers into joining and putting all our work on their platform, Y-T today is bent on running the 2A community off the platform, they censor, they penalize your channel and even make you disappear all together for breaking some obscure, ever changing rules they have. You loose all your content in one fell swoop...gone forever & you have no recourse against them.
They stopped the use of a direct messaging system they had.
The result was that we all went into different directions looking for a new platform where we could communicate without these inane restrictions, some new avenues were there but either they didn't last or they had such traffic come to them that they couldn't handle the traffic from a server standpoint.
This left us that remained on Y-T trying to 'fly under their radar', stay unnoticed & unscathed while friends channels are getting knocked off left and right.

This is very sad to see happening in the United States. When I was a kid in the 50's and early 60's the big censor 'bad guy' was a news outfit in Russia called PRAVDA, we were taught they were bad, they censored & they lied...today the big bad guys are YouTube...right here in Silicone Valley under our noses.

If we had digital eggs to throw, YouTube should be the target!

[Wolfdog91]

The one single 'entity' that deserves all our collective wrath is the platform...YouTube itself.

I started making videos 5 years ago. Then...I knew nothing about editing or dubbing in music or doing special effects like 'slow motion'. But through the magic of the Y-T platform viewers & content makers could get in touch with each other through the Y-T direct messaging. We could share sensitive information like e-mail addresses and then share files and pictures etc. that would explain what we were trying to get across to each other. We helped each other improve our video skills the same way we helped with our casting/reloading.
I made several good friends from then that I still have today.

Since then...after suckering all us content makers into joining and putting all our work on their platform, Y-T today is bent on running the 2A community off the platform, they censor, they penalize your channel and even make you disappear all together for breaking some obscure, ever changing rules they have. You loose all your content in one fell swoop...gone forever & you have no recourse against them.
They stopped the use of a direct messaging system they had.
The result was that we all went into different directions looking for a new platform where we could communicate without these inane restrictions, some new avenues were there but either they didn't last or they had such traffic come to them that they couldn't handle the traffic from a server standpoint.
This left us that remained on Y-T trying to 'fly under their radar', stay unnoticed & unscathed while friends channels are getting knocked off left and right.

This is very sad to see happening in the United States. When I was a kid in the 50's and early 60's the big censor 'bad guy' was a news outfit in Russia called PRAVDA, we were taught they were bad, they censored & they lied...today the big bad guys are YouTube...right here in Silicone Valley under our noses.

If we had digital eggs to throw, YouTube should be the target!

I'm still super suprised the 2A and outdoor community hasn't gotten together and made a video streaming site... I mean I don't know too much about the whole website hosting thing but seems like there should be something. That being said the Reloaders Network seems to pe a promising perspective

[JP_McNeal]

I have found FC45LC useful since I am a new reloaded and caster. Another commented that he doesn't go into enough detail in his videos and, for the most part, I agree. I am usually left with unanswered questions, however, still have learned a lot of the big picture basics from his videos.

I would definitely appreciate someone with the time and ability to post more technical videos showing techniques and processes in greater detail.

[DonHowe]

Both seem to know their stuff, but the videos are usually twice as long as they need to be if not 3 times longer than necessary. Playing Elvis at 1.75 speed helps and FC45LC can be played at 1.25 or 1.5 and it makes it more tolerable.

They know what they know. I watched Elvis once I think; FC 45 a few times. I can see benefit maybe for newbies and powder coaters. I don't PC ( a solution looking for a problem?) so no appeal there for me.most youtubers remind me of folks 30 years ago with their status symbol camcorders; have camera/have to be seen videoing.
I do not have video equipment other than a phone, I do have a chronograph but seldom use it ( probably would benefit from using it more). It seems to me that for many shooters a target velocity and small ES take precedence over small groups. But hey, if all that gives you grins and giggles have at it and PC psychedelic boolits!

[bruce381]

I made Johnnys PIB for casting and other than I put a few wires I put wrong it works great thanks to Johnny.

[44Blam]

I learned a lot from FC45 when I started casting. He was also quick to answer questions I left in the comments. I appreciated that. It was unfortunate when YouTube changed there policies and most gun related things had to go. I tried following him to Patreon but my slow satellite internet wouldn’t play his videos, so I gave up.

I watched Elvis some and found his experiments with zinc interesting, but never liked his big batch PCing. I stand all my boolits up.

The only gun related channel I regularly watch these days is Forgotten Weapons. I enjoy that particular topic and it is always a well organized presentation. For the time being, the rest of my gun addiction time is taken care of on this forum.

I did a batch of PB 40 cal boolits in a big batch pile. It was about 350 boolits and I did a red with black powder in there and they turned out really nicely. Previously, I could put about 160 boolits standing up in my tray and it would take me about 20-30 min to tumble and place my boolits. As a batch, it took about 2 min to tumble and dump on a screen.

[pcolapaddler]

I've watched some of FC45LC's videos; I've enjoyed most of them quite well. The other person isn't familiar to me.

Few YT producers are professional grade videographers, but even poor content requires some time commitment. I wouldn't be surprised if a decent quality 10 minute video required several hours of recording and editing.

It isn't an insignificant time commitment.

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[DonHowe]

I've watched some of FC45LC's videos; I've enjoyed most of them quite well. The other person isn't familiar to me.

Few YT producers are professional grade videographers, but even poor content requires some time commitment. I wouldn't be surprised if a decent quality 10 minute video required several hours of recording and editing.

It isn't an insignificant time commitment.

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This is true. Yet, I'm reminded of what a mentor once told me regarding another aspect of life: "If people want to know something from you they will ask."
IMO, it takes a good bit of ego to make the investment in equipment, time and all else required to start and maintain a youtube channel that Noone asked for in the first place. The person who does so has put a target on his/her back; kinda made him/her self an "expert". Criticism comes with the territory.
An old fashioned alternative is to watch for the shooters at the range who are successfully doing what your interest is and find out what they are doing. Seeing with your own eyes without the magic of editing is worth a lot.

[cwlongshot]

I've watched some of FC45LC's videos; I've enjoyed most of them quite well. The other person isn't familiar to me.

Few YT producers are professional grade videographers, but even poor content requires some time commitment. I wouldn't be surprised if a decent quality 10 minute video required several hours of recording and editing.

It isn't an insignificant time commitment.

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It ABSOLUTELY CAN!!! PLUS SOME!!

I have just started and am still learning the "power" of editing tools. Voice overs words blank panels with words spacing timing music no music subdued volume of music fade in or outs ad infinitum...

I use minimal but EASY EVERY 15-20 min video is about two hours with MINIMAL editing to produce. TRIPPLE that for the very professional videos many produce.

CW

[Agarbers]

I don't have a youtube channel or even post videos, but I do write for magazines. I don't do it for the money, because the pay is poor. My main motivation is to share information so that readers will achieve enjoyment or success by what I share. It's no different when I talk to you. I want you to be successful in what we discuss. My best memory of helping someone was when I was a BSA leader. A scout approached me about how to catch a bass. I had just seen a largmouth bass patrolling a transition area where it went to sand from gravel. I helped him select a rubber worm, explained how to work it, and where the bass was. He left all pumped up and I was hopeful as I went back to cooking. Some 30 minutes later the scout came back, excited like he had won the lottery. He had caught that bass, his first-ever. I was ready to cry tears of joy because I was so happy for him and proud that I could aid in making that happen. I suspect FC and Elvis are the same way. They want to share what they have learned and shorten the learning curve for you. When you succeed, they succeed.

[OS OK]

It ABSOLUTELY CAN!!! PLUS SOME!!

I have just started and am still learning the "power" of editing tools. Voice overs words blank panels with words spacing timing music no music subdued volume of music fade in or outs ad infinitum...

I use minimal but EASY EVERY 15-20 min video is about two hours with MINIMAL editing to produce. TRIPPLE that for the very professional videos many produce.

CW

I agree CW'b ... it does take time but it makes a video much more palatable and the editing makes them shorter too. Many of today's viewers simply will not watch something that takes over a few minutes. I suppose that's a decision of 'each to their own design'.
The way I approach editing, is that it takes the time it takes to convey whatever message your trying to get over. If your mentoring a person, 'in person', them standing there beside you their questions are answered in a few minutes whereas in video it is not the same. Folks watching aren't butting in and asking questions as you narrate and show what your doing.

Something that boggles my mind is attitudes like this DonHowe has, quote>[IMO, it takes a good bit of ego to make the investment in equipment, time and all else required to start and maintain a youtube channel that Noone asked for in the first place.]
CW'b...you recon you and I have an ego problem as content creators, as mentors?
He says>[The person who does so has put a target on his/her back; kinda made him/her self an "expert".]
Do you recon that we are there investing our time & energy in sharing 'tips n tricks' of an Arcane Hobby just so we can be a "self proclaimed Expert?"

I never have claimed some faux-status of "self proclaimed Expert"...I know I have never heard you doing this. We are but amateurs in this trying as we can to spread the knowledge & skill we have acquired over the years...many times I'll pick up a 'tip or trick' that improves my loading/casting/coating from the comments left in the video.
I'll never understand the mindset of people like this DonHowe person...all that type commentary is so negative, so unproductive that it leaves me considering just quitting this 'sharing business' all together and saying "Screw it!"

That's the thanks you get...too bad they can't reach through the screen and whack us up beside the head so we'd figure this out much sooner.

The problem out there is that NEWB's wanting to join us in our hobby and don't know anyone personally they can get as a mentor have no other avenue to learn first hand.
I won't be quitting anytime soon over all this 'negative attitude' from folks like DonHowe...that's for sure and certain!

[Wolfdog91]

This is true. Yet, I'm reminded of what a mentor once told me regarding another aspect of life: "If people want to know something from you they will ask."
IMO, it takes a good bit of ego to make the investment in equipment, time and all else required to start and maintain a youtube channel that Noone asked for in the first place. The person who does so has put a target on his/her back; kinda made him/her self an "expert". Criticism comes with the territory.
An old fashioned alternative is to watch for the shooters at the range who are successfully doing what your interest is and find out what they are doing. Seeing with your own eyes without the magic of editing is worth a lot.

You do realize not eveyone has that luxury right ? I know for a fact no one around me casts and it took me going to my local range for years before I met another reloader.

[Wolfdog91]

I agree CW'b ... it does take time but it makes a video much more palatable and the editing makes them shorter too. Many of today's viewers simply will not watch something that takes over a few minutes. I suppose that's a decision of 'each to their own design'.
The way I approach editing, is that it takes the time it takes to convey whatever message your trying to get over. If your mentoring a person, 'in person', them standing there beside you their questions are answered in a few minutes whereas in video it is not the same. Folks watching aren't butting in and asking questions as you narrate and show what your doing.

Something that boggles my mind is attitudes like this DonHowe has, quote>[IMO, it takes a good bit of ego to make the investment in equipment, time and all else required to start and maintain a youtube channel that Noone asked for in the first place.]
CW'b...you recon you and I have an ego problem as content creators, as mentors?
He says>[The person who does so has put a target on his/her back; kinda made him/her self an "expert".]
Do you recon that we are there investing our time & energy in sharing 'tips n tricks' of an Arcane Hobby just so we can be a "self proclaimed Expert?"

I never have claimed some faux-status of "self proclaimed Expert"...I know I have never heard you doing this. We are but amateurs in this trying as we can to spread the knowledge & skill we have acquired over the years...many times I'll pick up a 'tip or trick' that improves my loading/casting/coating from the comments left in the video.
I'll never understand the mindset of people like this DonHowe person...all that type commentary is so negative, so unproductive that it leaves me considering just quitting this 'sharing business' all together and saying "Screw it!"

That's the thanks you get...too bad they can't reach through the screen and whack us up beside the head so we'd figure this out much sooner.

The problem out there is that NEWB's wanting to join us in our hobby and don't know anyone personally they can get as a mentor have no other avenue to learn first hand.
I won't be quitting anytime soon over all this 'negative attitude' from folks like DonHowe...that's for sure and certain!

Hay is your channel still up ?

[OS OK]

Hay is your channel still up ?

Yes it is ... I've been lucky and have stayed under the radar of the Y-Tube goofs. My channel is small and doesn't attract their attention.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi5mfCQYNW1hfrgepvqCDsg/videos

https://i.imgur.com/7yHpbcX.jpg

[cwlongshot]

AMEN Charlie!!

I try to mention in my videos tagt Im just offering what works for me. Also telling Im no expert, but I have experience. I also request folks to comment with there experience so all can learn.

I had a recent attack that came outta no where and from someone I know (thru utube) As far as I know totally unprovoked. And as stated I was told I am no expert. I have asked for a personal conversation as we have each others personal Contact info yet he chose a public verbal chastise. I was quite upset as I racked my brain to try and remember what I might and done or said to deserve the written assault. All I can see is I offered a differe t opinion of how I seat a gas check using the NOE kit. But wasnt at all confrontational...

So yup target on your back for sure...

CW

[jaysouth]

To those that think some kind of rivalry exists between Elvis and FC45, FC mentions Elvis frequently and Elvis has a chrome plated fortune cookie on his workbench.

[DonHowe]

I agree CW'b ... it does take time but it makes a video much more palatable and the editing makes them shorter too. Many of today's viewers simply will not watch something that takes over a few minutes. I suppose that's a decision of 'each to their own design'.
The way I approach editing, is that it takes the time it takes to convey whatever message your trying to get over. If your mentoring a person, 'in person', them standing there beside you their questions are answered in a few minutes whereas in video it is not the same. Folks watching aren't butting in and asking questions as you narrate and show what your doing.

Something that boggles my mind is attitudes like this DonHowe has, quote>[IMO, it takes a good bit of ego to make the investment in equipment, time and all else required to start and maintain a youtube channel that Noone asked for in the first place.]
CW'b...you recon you and I have an ego problem as content creators, as mentors?
He says>[The person who does so has put a target on his/her back; kinda made him/her self an "expert".]
Do you recon that we are there investing our time & energy in sharing 'tips n tricks' of an Arcane Hobby just so we can be a "self proclaimed Expert?"

I never have claimed some faux-status of "self proclaimed Expert"...I know I have never heard you doing this. We are but amateurs in this trying as we can to spread the knowledge & skill we have acquired over the years...many times I'll pick up a 'tip or trick' that improves my loading/casting/coating from the comments left in the video.
I'll never understand the mindset of people like this DonHowe person...all that type commentary is so negative, so unproductive that it leaves me considering just quitting this 'sharing business' all together and saying "Screw it!"

That's the thanks you get...too bad they can't reach through the screen and whack us up beside the head so we'd figure this out much sooner.

The problem out there is that NEWB's wanting to join us in our hobby and don't know anyone personally they can get as a mentor have no other avenue to learn first hand.
I won't be quitting anytime soon over all this 'negative attitude' from folks like DonHowe...that's for sure and certain!

Whoa, ease up dude!
I did not say you have an "ego problem". I used the word ego, someone else might say "self confidence".
I never said you or anyone here who youtubes believe we ves himself to be "expert" but even here in this thread it seems apparent that at least some VIEWERS are willing to grant that status to the person making the video.
Regarding the "target" statement it is just a fact of life that people will critique/criticize what others do and the more public the display the more likely the criticism. It goes with the territory.

I WILL stand by my belief that I nor anyone owes any youtuber heaps of praise due to the amount of time, work, etc required to maintain a channel. The person with the channel CHOOSES to do it. Noone makes them do it. Of course you are free to do so just as I M free to watch or not watch and form opinions of your product just as you are with my comments.

As to meeting fellow travelers at the range, my home range is a club range where lots of competition happens so virtually everyone is a handloader. The range I frequent more often because it is closer sees a lot casual use with probably the majority shooting factory ammunition. Cast bullet shooters are more scarce in that setting but they are there if one looks. Weekends at this public range tend to be dominated by AR high volume shooters. The reloaders/ casters/experimenters are not likely to be at the range on blasting day but if you can occasionally get to the range on lower volume days I betting you will find them even at your range.

[RKJ]

Blasphemy

Oh, the poor unwashed masses. What shall we do to bring them into the light? :)

[OS OK]

Whoa, ease up dude!
I did not say you have an "ego problem". I used the word ego, someone else might say "self confidence".
I never said you or anyone here who youtubes believe we ves himself to be "expert" but even here in this thread it seems apparent that at least some VIEWERS are willing to grant that status to the person making the video.
Regarding the "target" statement it is just a fact of life that people will critique/criticize what others do and the more public the display the more likely the criticism. It goes with the territory.

I WILL stand by my belief that I nor anyone owes any youtuber heaps of praise due to the amount of time, work, etc required to maintain a channel. The person with the channel CHOOSES to do it. Noone makes them do it. Of course you are free to do so just as I M free to watch or not watch and form opinions of your product just as you are with my comments.

As to meeting fellow travelers at the range, my home range is a club range where lots of competition happens so virtually everyone is a handloader. The range I frequent more often because it is closer sees a lot casual use with probably the majority shooting factory ammunition. Cast bullet shooters are more scarce in that setting but they are there if one looks. Weekends at this public range tend to be dominated by AR high volume shooters. The reloaders/ casters/experimenters are not likely to be at the range on blasting day but if you can occasionally get to the range on lower volume days I betting you will find them even at your range.

ease up dude! This will not do...To you, I am "OS OK" ... my friends call me Charlie and I am probably 2 or 3 decades your elder, this 'dude' crap will not fly.
Learn to be respectful and you will get much farther in your life.

I did not say you have an "ego problem". Now you want to 'crawfish' and say something different than you clearly stated above in post number 64 [IMO, it takes a good bit of ego to make the investment in equipment, time and all else required to start and maintain a youtube channel that Noone asked for in the first place.]

I never said you or anyone here who youtubes believe we ves himself to be "expert" Again, it's in your post above, clearly what you insinuate...[The person who does so has put a target on his/her back; kinda made him/her self an "expert".]

From post number 60...[most youtubers remind me of folks 30 years ago with their status symbol camcorders; have camera/have to be seen videoing.] You obviously have a narrow mindset & preconceived notion about mentoring in this hobby and see the world with about a 2º view angle.

Regarding the "target" statement it is just a fact of life that people will critique/criticize This is the only true statement you have made..."people will critique" this word/verb is done in a different light and SPIRIT than your negative assumptions thus far...look at the definition:
verb (critiques, critiquing, critiqued) [ with obj. ]
evaluate (a theory or practice) in a detailed and analytical way: the authors critique the methods and practices used in the research.

I know 'critique' very well...I spent 2 years studying under a master water color artist, myself and about 15 other aspiring artist. Each week we had a project painting to do and on Friday we all sat in a circle and critiqued each other work. This is done in a positive manner, it doesn't mean to slander or make up something that is not there that you can demean. In the same sense, people leaving positive comments under a Y-Tube video do their criticizing and or disagreement in a positive manner...in this way all learn something, even the 'content creator' who you refer to in your snide remark of [remind me of folks 30 years ago with their status symbol camcorders;]


I WILL stand by my belief that I nor anyone owes any youtuber heaps of praise due to the amount of time, work, etc required to maintain a channel. This is getting ridiculous and I am 'out of patience' with your snide attitude towards us 'youtuber' types...so I will close with this;
We make videos to share knowledge, to explore this Arcane Hobby...to spread 'tips-n-tricks' that we have learned over decades of reloading & casting, to keep this hobby alive and passed-on to the NEWBS that come here and to the Y-Tube channels to learn...we emphasize safety & good practices, I could go on and on on about what we try to accomplish but nowhere in any video will you find any Y-Tuber demanding [heaps of praise] for their efforts.
At most...we expect a civil comment should you decide to put your 2¢ in and if you want to be courteous, you can even give the 'Y-Tuber' a 'Thumbs Up' or a 'Thumbs Down' should you disagree or dislike the content.
Your right again saying...[The person with the channel CHOOSES to do it. Noone makes them do it.] ...absolutely correct, the 'Y-Tuber' makes his videos to share with people like you out of the kindness of his/her hearts & their desire to 'share', they generally ask for no money or special recognition and they make themselves 'TARGETS' willingly...even for people like you!

If you have the desire to learn and advance your skill-set in this community or share your own ideas, etc...you had better change that nasty attitude & outlook you have & then you will find this forum, the Y-Tube and many other forums & Networks a friendly place to be & you will not find another group of people more generous and willing to go out of their way to share and benefit YOU.

[DonHowe]

ok Mr OS OK, sir, If you are 2 or 3 decades my senior you are most like dead or drooling in a bucket. I do not wish discord with anyone here but I certainly am not "crawfishing" as I believe you to have taken my words to mean something other than what I intended. I try to use language that will not be openly confrontational to thoughtful adults but apparently you did not see it that way. I do not know you so what you do or do not do is of no consequence to me. I have no reason to be bothered enough about anything you do or post to attack you personally.
I THOUGHT I was expressing general thoughts/opinions IN ADDITION to my initial response to a comment of yours, which a thought supported your comment. If my language offends you I will now apologize and love the ball in your court to do with as you will.
I will say this then I am done with this thread: there are many things I do at which I believe myself to be reasonably competent or even good at, including making shooting cast bullets. I had a much higher opinion of my abilities in this area until I got involved in what I believe to be the ultimate test of making and shooting lead bullets, namely schuetzen matches where extreme accuracy is sought with plain base soft lead bullets. I soon learned that my competency was only a starting place. My point? Just this - there is always someone better and more knowledgeable than I. If I choose to expound on what I know or think in any setting there is most likely someone there who disagrees or just flat knows more.. I can take what I glean from others and improve my abilities or I can get uptight and retreat to my own little corner of the world.
With that said I am out of here!

[bearhawk]

I've been casting and reloading off and on since the mid 80's when I was in college. I was an alox guy then a 45/45/10 guy but the latter gave me leading. With Alox I never liked the sticky, gummy residue it left on everything.

While I have watched many videos from both guys, Elvis' curiosity and experimenting has helped me immensely. He has saved me much experimenting and I am grateful for his experimentations.

I started doing PC in the past 6 months. I did the shake and bake, stand them up routine which took too much time. I did the large basket dumps of 20 minutes of 400F and I had a lot stick together with boogers. When Elvis did his video on the shortened, cooler temp method I tried that. It didn't work as well for me until I set my oven at 275F, did shake and bake for 20 minutes, dumped into a 5 gallon bucket of water and purrrrfect! No boogers, no stuck-togethers, no leading which is what I was after. I use PBTP High gloss black and High gloss clear. He got me on the right track. Just wish I could personally tell him thank you as it solved my leading problems and works great! He saved me a lot of trial and error and I am thankful.

FC45LC helped me decide to go with the Lee Autodrum and the Classic Turret. That's coming from a Dillon but that's due to getting older and not being able to watch all 4 stations on my Dillon so I was having quality issues caused by me. The Lee Classic Turret lets me pay attention to each stage of every round. The classic turret has brought me much joy in reloading in the past few months. Even tonight I loaded up 300 rounds for fun.

I'm one of those guys that loves to shoot, but I also love casting (and now powder coating) and I love reloading. I enjoy all of it.

[robertbank]

Come on guys r e l a x. For the younger crowd type in ABBA and look for the two girls singing :[/I]Waterloo[I]" and you will forget all you learned from either of the two gentleman. Just saying.

Take Care

Bob

[ubetcha]

Elvis' introduction turns me off so I don't watch him any more.

I agree. Tried to watch several times, but just can't do it.

[ubetcha]

Bug fan of Johnnys loading Bench! I like his style! I sure hope he never blows his face off!!

CW

The episode I really got a kick out of was when he dislodged a stick case with a grease gun.👍

[6622729]

That's hysterical - I've just tried that and it's actually quite practical too :)

I have to jump forward in his videos too. Elvis just drones on and on. I prefer FC45.

[bruce381]

Elvis is a rambling moron like Hickock.FC45 gets to the point faster than both put together. Just my opinion.

yeah i agree 100%

[derek45]

Lesson on socialism.... he has too much lead for himself to use. We each get barrel....


I'm all for giving Socialists some lead, but not by the barrel

[jaysouth]

Ever notice that Elvis has a silver plated fortune cookie somewhere on his bench?

[PhatForrest]

There's much information to be gleaned from both, but I prefer FC45lc.

[trapper9260]

I watch FC45 once in awhile. He dose have some points and did learn some from him . Elvis I do not care for him for what some have stated on here .

[blue32]

I think both are decent for someone getting into casting. I took a little from FC and obtained a few pointers from Elvis on powder coating. As far as getting into the weeds on stuff this forum usually has enough replies that I can get most my questions answered. My lurker to post ratio is at least 200:1. Experimentation takes care of the rest.

[Tripplebeards]

When I used to watch both fortune cookie beats Elvis hands-down. Elvis just doesn’t seem confident in what he does or at least the videos I watched him in. They’re both entertaining in their own rights.

[cwlongshot]

As regular people. "Elvis" is a personable man. FC wont give ya the time of day.

FC dosent reply ta emails or correspondence. Friends living local reached out a few times. He is not as he seems in videos.

Elvis on then other hand is approachable and replies. I have had a few email conversations and discovered we know some of the same folks.

Even before knowing this FC never washed with me. Elvis is more my sort.

CW

[almar]

I'm glad that they both are there, and bacon too but it think he left YT some time ago i may be wrong though. I rarely watch videos about anything firearm related anymore unless i'm looking for something specific. Been doing my own thing for some time now.

[barnabus]

This thread helped me a lot! I didn't know you could speed up u-tube videos! Now I can go back to decaf when watching Hickok45.
Loren

I cant watch this moron.He is arrogant,long winded and every video is the same.

[cwlongshot]

I like Hickok allot. He is to me just what he is a Shop Teacher like I had back in High School!!

Speaking to a Utuber I refuse to watch. Yankee Marshal! I dont even like saying that cause he might get views!! Hahaha.

CW

[charlie b]

This all depends on what you want from the Utube video. Information, entertainment, etc.

Elvis just has some bad information at times. FC seemed to have decent information. But, I really don't watch either. They did not seem to be experienced enough in what they are doing. I want to learn from an experienced person in the field, not watch someone learn how to do something.

Hickock I like as a reference. When considering a gun purchase I will go back over reviews of them from a few people. For pistols Hickock is one of them. He is not much for rifles/shotguns unless maybe for CQB type and function reliability.

For most information videos I'd rather not see the person on screen. And most talk too much.

[makeurownfun]

I like Hickok allot. He is to me just what he is a Shop Teacher like I had back in High School!!

Speaking to a Utuber I refuse to watch. Yankee Marshal! I dont even like saying that cause he might get views!! Hahaha.

CW

Elvis is definitely more my speed. As far as FC, I have no problem believing that he is a different person off camera.

I can't stand Yankee Marshal. I really do not understand how he has so many subscribers. He is a toolbox with no tools

[Brassmonkey]

I've seen a few Elvis ammo vids, his introduction and half the time he looks at the camera. It's the smile on his face like he can't believe he's actually on YouTube and he's so happy about it.

For some reason my favorite YouTube creators don't show their face rather what they are doing.

[cwlongshot]

I've seen a few Elvis ammo vids, his introduction and half the time he looks at the camera. It's the smile on his face like he can't believe he's actually on YouTube and he's so happy about it.

For some reason my favorite YouTube creators don't show their face rather what they are doing.

Thats how I like a video & how I do mine. Ill stand in front of camera & talk to you occasionally. But by far more over the shoulder hands on up close are the videos I produce.

CW

[GregLaROCHE]

FC responded several times to me via YouTube. I used to watch Elvis, but now am only subscribed to FC. He seems down to earth about most things.

[shootingblanks00]

Hey youtubers! It's Shootingblanks00 here in the cold dead zone! Heyyyy

[GregLaROCHE]

I always start watching FC45’s videos. Most of the time they are interesting. If it’s a subject I’m not interested in, I’ll go to something different.