Need help with info on a lee enfield and other rifles i picked up today.

[Tripplebeards]

I picked a few guns up from someone today. The lee enfield is a No 5 MK1 and looks like it’s brand new. It’s the nicest shape Lee enfield I ever came across. The bolt is silver with makes me think it’s reconditioned or was it issued this way? If someone wants to help with info on the others that would great as well. One is a 38 WFC 1873, a Winchester 1902 22lr, a brand new 22 Lr muzzle loader, a traditions 50 cal, a rolling block...no listing for caliber but guessing 32 rimfire? ...and a few other things. Hubby passed away and the wife was getting rid of his toys.

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And a few more I picked up...

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I bought more stuff just got tired posting. I bough several 8pound powders I as well. Figured I’d sell some of the stuff off to recoup my money. I am going back tomorrow for a mosin carbine with a bayonet that looks pristine for a $100

[Winger Ed.]

Put Enfield No. 5 MK 1 in a search engine, then click 'images'.

You'll see the bolts both ways on pristine rifles.
Rifles that have been reconditioned usually still have some dings in the stock after being refinished.

Yours is probably unissued, and all original.

[Der Gebirgsjager]

Your rifle is a No.4 Mk.1*. What appears to you to be a 5 is actually an S indicating that it was made by Savage Arms in the U.S. The asterisk indicates a slight difference from British production in that the rail on which the bolt slides has a gap near the front. When properly aligned the bolt head can be flipped upward through the gad and then pulled to the rear out of the receiver. The British version had a gap near the rear of the rail with a spring loaded plunger that, when pushed downward, allowed the bolt head to be pushed upward for withdrawal. There was a No.5, the Jungle Carbine.

DG

[shoe303]

The Enfield is actually a No. 4 Mk. 1*. The 5 is a squared off S which means it was made by Savage Stevens in the US and supplied to Britain during WW2 as part of the Lend Lease program. It should also be stamped US Property on the top of the action side rail. Nice rifle that looks to have gone through a rebuild. Savage made No. 4 Mk. 1* Enfields would have originally had a grayish parkerized finish. Does the bolt serial number match the serial number on the side of the receiver ring? It would be the number that starts with '71C'. The bolt should be the same finish as the rest of the rifle so it is not the original finish.

Still a nice rifle and should be a good shooter.

[Texas by God]

Oh my goodness, look at the goodies.
Isn't the .22 blackpowder rifle a swivel breech? I remember reading about those- you loaded powder and a #4 buckshot into the front of the breech, then swiveled it back in line, capped it and fired it. The ball swaged down to .22 upon firing. So cool.
The grooves on the handguard are exclusive to the Savage made #4(I think)- that's the model I always wanted.

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[Mk42gunner]

Wild guess time. The rifle above the 1873 Winchester appears to be some type of Flobert. The one under the 1902 Winchester looks like a Stevens to me.

Robert

[Gewehr-Guy]

Texas by God beat me to it, yes that little rifle in the box is a RMAC .22 breachloader. I saved a Guns magazine from 1974? that featured that little rifle , with an article I believe written by Claire Reese, if I remember correctly. I was a young lad at that time and wanted one of those BADLY! Twenty five years later I found one at a gun show.

They could be fired with black powder or a tiny charge of bullseye, and a #4 buckshot, with a little grease on top of the ball, like a BP revolver. To fire it you used a paper punch to punch out a toy cap, and it fit inside a little plastic cap holder, that fit on the back of the rotating chamber turret.

They were advertised with either a plastic or wood stock, for around $20. I am positive a larger .36 and .44 caliber model were advertized, but I later read none were ever sold. I believe the maker later made those tiny .22 revolvers, that fit in the belt buckles.

[Gewehr-Guy]

Tripplebeards, I'd sure like to see some photos of the stuff that came in the box, like the cap holders and I think there was a tool like a screwdriver handle with a cupped end, to seat the buckshot in the chamber. My rifle didn't even come with a good story:(

[Tripplebeards]

I'll post some more pics tomorrow. I got overwhelmed with all the stuff! I forgot half of.the other stuff I packaged up with with it. I bought seven, 8 pound kegs of powder, 4 one pounders, and 5 cans of black powder, a box of jacked 180 grain .308 j words I could hardly lift, the same with 303 words, a tin filled with loaded 303 soft points, a 1907 new looking bayonete marked wilkenson that's going on my Winchester Enfield, a lee larger model zero error 30-30 die set, an old brass mold that has both a ball and pointed boolit...I'm sure I'm forgetting more. Tomorrow I'm going back for a really good looking moson nagant carbine with a bayonet for a $100 that I passed up today. There were alot of lee Enfields, 1891 and 1909 Argentine, and mosins to pick over. I grabbed what thought were od balls. The lee enfiled is all martching with not a scratch in the wood or bluing. Looks brand spanking new! I found it in a gun case. The rest were in safes and had alot of normal wear. My buddy bought a 12 winchester pump that was basically brand new for $150 and a 760 30-06 extremely clean for $350 for his kids. He was the one who took me over to the honeycomb hide out so I helped him pick out some nice guns for his kids. I passed on some single shotguns , another 1902 Winchester with a heavier bull barrel, savage semi auto 22lr. There was also a self defence cold steel knife I knew was expensive I tipped my buddy off on. They gave it to him along with bundling some other stuff. Turned out to be a $200 knife! My favorite was a bunch of nude paintings on black velvet. Think buddy going snag them as well. I wont post what I bought all my stuff for but it would make a strong man weep. I plan on pawing a few things off till I brake even on my haul.

[Tripplebeards]

The 22lr muzzel loader is brand new still wrapped in plastic! It has cast boolits in the box with it.

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It might be one of the things I part with to re coop some of my spending spree. It even has a buffalo target in the box.

[Winger Ed.]

Years ago, a buddy and I got in on a deal where a widow just wanted the guns gone.
Money wasn't an issue, she just wanted them out of the house.
She didn't know the difference between a .22 pistol and a Mountain Howitzer, and wasn't going to learn either.

Rather than just cherry pick the good stuff, we made her a fair offer for what they were, and bought the ugly children too.
For her, it was 'once and done', and everybody was happy.

[Tripplebeards]

There are four rooms full of stuff. I picked out some of the powder and bullets I could use and planed to give to some of my buddies since I will never use it all.

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I'm gonna have my buddy pick up a couple of unopened tuna cans of 7.62x54r tomorrow as well.

[Tripplebeards]

Tripplebeards, I'd sure like to see some photos of the stuff that came in the box, like the cap holders and I think there was a tool like a screwdriver handle with a cupped end, to seat the buckshot in the chamber. My rifle didn't even come with a good story:(

There is a plastic tool they looks like a cake frosting shooter that must be used to load the gun.

[RustyReel]

Threads like this are the reason I'm parting with stuff I don't really need or haven't used in a while. Hate to think about some guy talking about the great deal he got on a pile of my stuff, even if he doesn't know what it is, and the wife ending up with a fraction of what it is worth. Anyway, nice find.

[Tripplebeards]

Threads like this are the reason I'm parting with stuff I don't really need or haven't used in a while. Hate to think about some guy talking about the great deal he got on a pile of my stuff, even if he doesn't know what it is, and the wife ending up with a fraction of what it is worth. Anyway, nice find.

I thought the same thing. Apparently there were piles of firearms and pistols that were sold and gone already. I was having an ulcer thinking about if it was my stuff and a stranger was rummaging through my house. I ran out and did some errands for the lady yesterday as well and bought her some valentine candy. She must have liked and trusted me because i was handed $1200 to run and get here some gift cards for her. Never been there before and had been looking for and hour or two before I was asked to run errands...and I was extremely happy to do so. Before I go I will end up willing my stuff to my.god.childen and what ever they dont want will sold off before I'm gone. It didn't even look like I made a dent in what she had left. Someone must had been there and cleaned out all the primers previously. I will will end up keeping the lee enfiled, the traditions muzzle loader, and probably the 1873. The rest of the guns ill.probably clean up and sell off or they will sit in a corner like where in bought them.

[Adam Helmer]

Tripplebeards,

Excellent post. I have seen this scenario many times in the past after I retired from law enforcement and began appraising guns and equipment. I have made my arrangements for my stuff. Any historic arms are going to my local historical society for permanent display. The 501 C(3) society letter will offset any taxes for my estate.

Adam

[Tripplebeards]

^^^that's awesome. Sharing this makes us all think hard. I will leaving most of stuff to some who will use or benefit from it. My "buddy" that didn't want to take me there is back buying as we speak. He wanted to go back bu himself after I told him all the guns were worth approx $5/600 each
I did grab me the mossin I wanted with a banote but M is changing me $25...nice friend. He bought 8 mosin and 3 lee Enfields all for a $100 each. His plans are to put them all on on GB just to make a buck. He wants me to help him list everything. It might cost him a gun since he charges me when I ask for help.

[Tripplebeards]

My buddy bought 8 mosin nagants and no4 mk1 lee Enfields for $125 each and 7 crates of double tuna can 7.69x54r ammo sealed for another $200. He figured he spent enough. There were more of both guns there but he said the last ones were kind ruff. Im buy buying one of the mosin carbine with bayonet for a $125 and a crate of 7.65x39 for with one of the tuna cans opened but still full for $30.

[Winger Ed.]

Threads like this are the reason I'm parting with stuff I don't really need , and the wife ending up with a fraction of what it is worth. Anyway, nice find.

I've been aggressively thinning my herd for the same reasons.

I'm getting some accumulated stuff back out in circulation to people that will use and enjoy it,
and avoiding the chance that some of it will end up in the dump.
Or worse; sit in a closet until it gets stolen.

[Tripplebeards]

Yep, pretty sad ordeal imo. My buddy said the last two times he went there stuff was thrown everywhere. Completely disrespectful people going through and looking. We he and I went through stuff we put it all back.

[ulav8r]

About two years ago, my daughter and granddaughter were talking about something, when my granddaughter stopped, and then said "In a few years, I will get all of Dad's guns, Grandpa Mickey's guns, all of grandad's and grandma's guns, and all of your guns." With that girl around, I don't have to worry about my guns finding a good home.

Both her parents are only children, same as her, so she won't have any competition. :)

[Tripplebeards]

I'm single so I better get to work finding a ready made family to inherit my stuff.

[Texas by God]

I'm single so I better get to work finding a ready made family to inherit my stuff.Here we are! Over here![emoji16][emoji16]

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[Tripplebeards]

I already refinished the stock on the Winchester 1902 and completely stripped the rust and bluing off with a vinegar bath. It’s turning out really nice. I should jav3 bought the other one as well. Waiting for my Oxpho blue to show up in the mail. The third one from the bottom(Flobert) has no listing for what caliber it is. 22lr is bigger than the bore diameter so I would assume it’s a 6mm/CB cap chambering? There is no writing on the barrel accept for proof marks. Don’t ask me how I know a 22lr is to powerful for it.

[eastbank]

a good friend died four years ago and his non shooting brother inhirted it all and ask me to help him catolog the rifles-pistols-muzzle loaders-shotguns and i spent three weeks with him going thru them and pricing them among other things, ammo-scopes-stocks- reloading supplies. after we got done. he ask me if i wanted any of the things as he was going to send them to auction and i said yes, with that he said give me 75 precent of the prices we put on them. i spent close to 30,000 dollars. i didn,t buy any handguns(over 90).

[Tripplebeards]

Well I'm basically ready for my oxpho blu to show up for project rifle #1....the 1902 Winchester. It had a couple of really deep gouges I couldn't get out. Soaked the stock several times and also tried to iron them out. It still looks great imo even with the couple of imperfections. A vinegar bath ate all the rust and bluing off in a few hours. I filed off 99% of the pitting and polished the bolt
The rifle has already been already claimed by my pops. He told me had one when he was a kid so I gave it to him.

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That went way to fast...now which one for project number 2???

[Gewehr-Guy]

That old gumwood stock turned out beautiful !

[Tripplebeards]

The other side has a really funky design as well. That’s gumwood? I love the pattern on it. Wish all my wood stocks were this type of wood.

[Tripplebeards]

Oxpho blued the complete gun a few hours ago and just put it back together and test fired. It looks and works like it’s brand new again.

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I’m either going to take the day off tomorrow from guns...or start working on the Flobert next.

[303Guy]

That sure came out looking good! I have a few old 22 single shots, also with one piece barrel/actions. If you'll give me your address I'll send them over .... [smilie=1:

[Tripplebeards]

Well I hope the guy who previously owned the guns is looking down on them. I think he’d like what I did. I have to start looking for parts for the 1873 Winchester now. Don’t know if my budget will allow that gun to ever be completed. It only took an $18 bottle of Oxpho blue along with some sand paper, boiled Lind seed oil, and some Johnson’s paste wax I had laying around to complete the first three. I did order about $33 with the parts for the R Murdock. The front sight, rear sight leaf, and a lever spring and screw. I’ll probably make a front forend out if walnut if I end up keeping the rifle.

The 32 R Murdock...
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My faux case hardening look after the metal darkened with oiling it...

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And the 6mm Flobert...

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The trigger guard was originally threaded into the metal receiver. The threads were stripped and the trigger guard sat proud and loose out of the hole. I JB welded it in place. I’ll wait a day till it dries to put it back together. The front tang area will pull in flush when I screw the barrel back in place.

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The thumb lever is broken off on the Flobert breech block. Never noticed till I blued it. I’ll have see if I can find one. It’s purely cosmetic but I’d like to find one for it. The Flobert I definitely am keeping. Just will have to wait to shoot it in a few years when CB shorts and longs will be back in the shelves. What ever metal they used on this gun is a lot softer than all my firearms. It seemed to keep sweating oil out of it no matter how many times I degreased it as well. Finally got a good even coat of bluing on it.

[303Guy]

What a beauty! That's a work of passion. That would be a fun gun to have.

I found 22 long and shorts on our shelves. A bit pricey and not knowing how they might perform I passed up on them.

[Tripplebeards]

What a beauty! That's a work of passion. That would be a fun gun to have.

I found 22 long and shorts on our shelves. A bit pricey and not knowing how they might perform I passed up on them.

I went to one of the LGS and found 6mm RWS ammo!!! Both round ball and pointed lead ammo in stock. I bought one tin of the pointed ammo to try since it was almost $40 for a 100 rounds. They gave me a good guy discount so i saved about $7. I was told that ammo had been sitting on the shelf for years and was the original price they set when they received it. I figured I want to see if its accurate since the barrel had a food amount of rust that I removed with an overnight vinegar bath. It looks like there is no pitting and I can see very light rifling. When I clean the barrel with my Tipton rod it spins because the rifling is grabbing it. I'm sure it will shoot just fine but I didn't want to buy any more expensive ammo till I know for sure. I might wait till I can find cheaper cci CB ammo.

[Tripplebeards]

After restoring the above I was brave enough to tackle the domascus barrels on my 1873 Charles Daly 10 gauge today...

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