Looking for a Truck

[LUCKYDAWG13]

Hello I'm starting to look for a new to me truck is there any issues with 2016 - 2019 F150 4x4 Right now I have a 2008 with a
5,4 Triton and it has been a great running Truck with no issues at all but it's time to get something newer the only needs that I need in my new Truck is 4 wheel drive and that's about it thanks for your suggestions

[ioon44]

I bought a used 2014 GMC Sierra Z 71 in 2016, it has been a really good truck.

[sigep1764]

Ive read several articles on the cam phasers being guaranteed to go bad on the newer Fords. That 5.4 you have is prolly the last of the good ones. I would do some research on the maintenance, longevity, and reliability of Fords new turbo motors. Im not sold that they've built something that will last.

[DeadWoodDan]

I just bought a 2017 last summer. I'm not one of those that gets a "new to me" vehicle often, and have yet to purchase a New vehicle...ever. With that being said my neighbor turned wrenches his whole life and his son not only earning master mechanic at Ford has worked at dealerships of all flavors including Ag and Bobcat dealers. I just mention because I've grown up with this family and hold their opinion in high regards. This is how they made a big purchase the easiest ever for me.
1) Don't buy new unless last years model and Dealer has Exceptional incentives to offer. All Dealer incentives are not the same
2) I looked for used that still had factory warranty 3yrs. 35k miles. Purchase 100k warranty off line, there are only a few Ford Authorized dealers and a simple search will show you who is best. A dealer can not touch this warranty for what these guys do and you save between $500-1k.
3) Make a list of options you want from most to least. This will help tremendously and
4) Dad bought 2020 twin turbo V6, most likely his last truck. It is a great engine and his 2016 had it and they pulled 18' boat all summer long without issue. Kid and I choose V8. Reason for this was we plan on keeping our trucks for the long haul. His opinion was even though the V6 is a great engine the cost of turbo parts and labor will be and overall repairs will be higher and offset the very small difference in gas mileage.
5) I'll add the Dealer I purchased from offered Lifetime warranty on chassis & major components. This says a lot towards the Mfg. and Dealer to stand behind it

You will find regardless of engine over the years listed there has been improvements with any issues. I will say Ford has stood behind and addressed everything, nothing major as of Service Campaigns or Recalls. I would look at the 2019 as they have the latest and greatest revisions. Good luck I love my truck!

[Petrol & Powder]

I can't offer much on the 2016-2019 F-150's.
If you don't need a lot of hauling/towing capacity, I would make fuel mileage a major criteria in your search. This new administration coupled with a dem controlled Congress is going to make war on the oil industry. You can bet your last dollar that fuel costs are going up.

They've already blocked the Keystone pipeline project. Foreign affairs will be a disaster (which means middle east oil will be in jeopardy) , they are pushing for more environmental regulation and there's already talk of increasing the federal fuel tax.
So, my advice would be to put fuel mileage near the top of your list of needs.

[Froogal]

To be honest, even though I have been a GM fan for several years now, I absolutely do not like any of the newer trucks, no matter who makes them. Having said that, I will still recommend a GM over a Ford or Dodge product. If you can find a 10 to 12 year old Chevrolet with less than 100,000 miles, buy it.

[cwtebay]

I am on my 15th F150 that I purchased in December.
I can honestly say I've never had a problem with them at all!! Until 2018. I had 2 in a row that were taken back because of irreparable damage caused by poor assembly of: fuel pump/system (pumped around 10 gallons of gas into the ventilation system), transfer case, front axle, front drive line, differential, coolant forced into fuel injection, transmission linkage, etc. I told our salesperson that this would be the last one that I would be buying. I was sort of forced into trading into this current one because GM wouldn't touch the last one with its front end issues.

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[Randy Bohannon]

I have a 2018 with the 5.0 Coyote FTX it’s 200 lbs lighter than my 2010 . It is the only truck I ever had where somebody saw it at the dealer getting a oil change ,contacted a salesman and asked them to make an offer to me to buy my truck. I’m keeping my truck, best F150 I have had yet.

[10x]

I used to drive Chev, Ford and Dodge, and have a Ford ranger *** that I have owned and poured cash into repairs since it was off warranty in reserve.
I have driven Toyota tundra's for over ten years. I have owned 6 other Toyota's in the past 45 years.

My current Tundra (Crewmax) is 2011. and has over 140,000 miles. On the highway it can get 20 mp/ U.Sl gallon. - about 12 liters / 100 km
It is built in San Antonio Texas with more N. American made parts than the "Domestic" brands.

Repairs, Spiral control cable to in the steering wheel $375, rebuilt A/C compresser #750 rear springs rebuild $750.
Brake pads and rotors at 120,000 km and at 190,000 km
I expect to get another 10 trouble free years out of it, if I live long enough

[kerplode]

Hello I'm starting to look for a new to me truck is there any issues with 2016 - 2019 F150 4x4 Right now I have a 2008 with a
5,4 Triton and it has been a great running Truck with no issues at all but it's time to get something newer the only needs that I need in my new Truck is 4 wheel drive and that's about it thanks for your suggestions
If it's running great and there are no problems, why replace it? Drive it until it dies, then look for something new. In the mean time, stick what you'd be spending on a car payment into savings.
By the time the Ford dies, you'll probably have enough to get something new cash or with a very small loan. My $0.02...

[kerplode]

Oh, and when you do eventually get a new truck, the right answer is always Tundra or Tacoma...

[downzero]

Oh, and when you do eventually get a new truck, the right answer is always Tundra or Tacoma...

They are dated and underpowered at this point. They may have a cult following, but they are clearly outmatched by their competition at this point.

[popper]

Fords new turbo motors they are using the 3.5 V6 turbo. Biggest prob with that engine is water pump is integral. Some are using GDI and port injection to avoid the intake carbon buildup. CARB is driving smaller motors and turbo is the only way to get HP & torque. Read someplace the exhaust manifold is integral with the head on turbo models.

[farmbif]

all I know is I recently heard a guy who knows a whole bunch more than I will ever know about engineering and manufacturing say that GM trucks are by far the best way to go vs dodge or ford. ive had chevy's for a long time and only thing that disappointed was the fuel injectors in my 01 duramax but the new 6.0 gas has same tow capacity as the old diesel in the 3/4 ton

[kerplode]

They are dated and underpowered at this point. They may have a cult following, but they are clearly outmatched by their competition at this point.

They have a cult following for a reason...They're well made and last forever.

[GregLaROCHE]

I was always more or less a Ford truck guy. I’m retired now and don’t need a truck, but I’ve only heard good about Toyotas. I don’t know about prices, but if I were to buy a truck today, I think it would be a Toyota, if I could afford it. Especially, if I was buying a used one.

[quilbilly]

I bought a new 2019 F-150 about a year and a half ago and am quite happy with it. It is a 4x4 with the smaller engine and I have been pleasantly surprised with the gas mileage on my long business runs to remote customers. It gets almost 24.5 miles per gallon! Around town (visiting urban customers) it gets about 19 mpg. I have only needed the 4wd once and it worked well but I do run it for a bit on 4x4 about once a month. I bought the F-150 because I was underwhelmed by the new Ford Rangers and the Nissan Frontiers are not that durable even if the amenities on the Nissans are great. I usually get a new truck about every five years (or about 95,000 miles) for business reasons and always look over the Toyotas. I know the Toyotas are great trucks but they always seemed overpriced for what you get.

[waksupi]

Google can be your friend. I just bought a car, and did searches for recalls, gas mileage, customer reviews, repair issues on several dozen cars. It saves a lot of heartbreak getting feedback from the mechanics who work on them, and the people driving them. I ended up with a 2013 Lexus, as the best car I could get in my price range.

[10x]

Oh, and when you do eventually get a new truck, the right answer is always Tundra or Tacoma...

and if you are light on the gas pedal your 5.7 Liter tundra will get almost the same gas mileage as the Tacoma.
But never as good as a Ford who some owners have told me that mileage is so good that sometimes their tank will overflow on a long trip....
The only vehicle I had with incredible gas mileage was a 1959 VW Beatle that would travel over 360 miles on 8 imperial gallons. Driving it added days to a road trip if there were long uphill stretches

[downzero]

They have a cult following for a reason...They're well made and last forever.

Nope, just stupid brainwashing. If that's an idea of a truck for you, go for it. I personally will not own any vehicle with an OHC engine, so unless that changes, I won't be buying any Toyota truck.

The interiors are crap, too, which in my old age, is becoming a much more serious consideration.

[kerplode]

Nope, just stupid brainwashing. If that's an idea of a truck for you, go for it. I personally will not own any vehicle with an OHC engine, so unless that changes, I won't be buying any Toyota truck.

The interiors are crap, too, which in my old age, is becoming a much more serious consideration.

Whatever.

[Huskerguy]

I drove a 90 chevy extended cab until the rust grabbed you every time you got in it. Had a newer crate motor and tranny. Just wanted something a bit nicer to take on the road. I am not a Ford fan, always a GM guy. Read stuff until I was blue in the face. I ended up with a 17 Ram and love it. Drives and rides like a dream. Big back seat area with flat fold downs. The Hemi has tons of power. Never thought I would buy a Ram but comparing prices I could get a Ram for at least 2 grand less than Ford or Chevy. I will get back to you in ten years.

[Petrol & Powder]

Oh, and when you do eventually get a new truck, the right answer is always Tundra or Tacoma...

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[Petrol & Powder]

Nope, just stupid brainwashing. If that's an idea of a truck for you, go for it. I personally will not own any vehicle with an OHC engine, so unless that changes, I won't be buying any Toyota truck.

The interiors are crap, too, which in my old age, is becoming a much more serious consideration.

Why would you avoid an Overhead Cam Engine? And BTW, your options of cam in block engines is getting limited.

As for the brainwashing comment; someone has been brainwashed for sure, but I don't think it was Toyota owners.

[fcvan]

I retired in fall of 2017, the following month my wife bought me my 'retirement truck.' Ram 1500 Eco Diesel with all of the bells and whistles she wanted and without some I wanted. It turns out she knew a couple of things would not do well during Colorado Winters. She complained it 'didn't get the mileage' I claimed it would, but it does when I'm driving. She drives it like a hemi, I drive it like a truck with a diesel and lots of gears. She once sent me a picture of the mileage only being 26 mpg on the interstate, I pointed out she was doing 85.

I've been driving diesel cars and trucks since 1977 when I got my license, including bigger rigs when I worked in the oilfields. Dad and my brothers have all had diesels. After I bought (well, wife bought it) my dad started looking into the eco diesel. He bought a used one, 8 months older, 40K miles on it. His wasn't 'loaded' as it was a 2wd tradesman, but still nice. He regularly gets 30 highway, 24 city. He figured he didn't need 4wd as he didn't go back in the hills like he used to and so his is kind of plain jane, but still rides nicely. His slightly used truck was half the cost of mine.

I like diesel for the longevity, not a fan of the DEF crap, but bought from the pump at a truck stop beats buying a box of DEF from bix box stores by more than half. Fresh DEF is better. There are modifications to bypass the DEF and the exhaust redirection through the intake. I'm not touching it until the warranty is up but look forward to the increased mileage and performance, and the reduction of carbon buildup in the intake manifold. The motor can be tuned for extreme performance, I like it just fine when using it as designed. I've driven Ford, Chevy, Dodge and Ram diesels, the worst being the first Chevy diesel with the converted 350 CI gas motors. The cranks were prone to breaking, fortunately under the 100k warranty, Dad's went over 200k without breakage but would have been a good rebuild with a forged rather than cast crank.

As far as the Ford eco-boost, a brother in law bought one and loved it. I drove it and was impressed. The eco diesel still out did his truck.

As for the Toyota 'cult' my brother has had 2, the 1986 one he wrecked, the other (1999) with over 200k on it. He is looking at having the engine gone through but would give his right arm if he could get their diesel. Toyota doesn't sell them to the US, but they run the heck out of them down under, under extreme off road excursions. His other truck is a Dodge 2500 4x4 with the cummins.

My favorite diesel was a 1976 Diesel Peugeot sedan, a 2 liter that they used to put in the Majindra before Majindra started making their own diesel engines. For now, I really like my Ram 1500, but my 4 yo grand daughter thinks its 'her truck.' I told her 'of course it is, and Papa will take you where every you want to go.'

[cwtebay]

I do so enjoy this! It's hilarious that someone has their heels so dug in that they're willing to be a complete jack wagon to defend their choice!!!

(full disclosure - I have owned 20+ Ford pickups + F150 to F550, 6 Chevy pickups 1500 to 3500, assorted dodge pickups, and exactly ONE Toyota - currently own 2 -1500 Chevy (2004 and 2003), 1- 2008 2500 diesel Chevy, 1-2020 3500 diesel Chevy)) I enjoy and hate each and every one!!! (Other than the 2018 Toyota - I cannot say enough bad about it). Oops! Also a 1983 F250 diesel and a 1947 F5

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[snowwolfe]

My 2017 F150 was bought back by Ford due to issues with the trans they would not, or could not fix. Outside of that the 3.5 eco is a great motor. I now own a 2019 F250. It is two years old and has been perfect.
I love how the new Dodge's interior is. Nicest of all the top 3. If Ford didnt offer me such a sweet deal to stay with Ford I would of bought a Dodge. Also checked out the Chevy/GMC. Nice but just nothing special that hit my eye.
Don't go with the Tundra if you want a real truck. The Tundra is only rated to carry 1300-1500 pounds including passengers. My 2017 F150 was rated at 2100 or so. Tundra is more car like than truck like. But they are dependable. Owned a 2013 Tundra for 4 years. 500 pounds in the bed and it would sag like my grandma's boobies.

[LUCKYDAWG13]

If it's running great and there are no problems, why replace it? Drive it until it dies, then look for something new. In the mean time, stick what you'd be spending on a car payment into savings.
By the time the Ford dies, you'll probably have enough to get something new cash or with a very small loan. My $0.02...

I would like too but I cant have two car payments at the same time the longer i wait holds my wife back from getting a new car
and I'm two years late

Thank you all for your suggestions

[Idaho45guy]

Oh, and when you do eventually get a new truck, the right answer is always Tundra or Tacoma...

Good luck with that... You are on a forum where most folks still carry wheelguns and consider the 30+ year old Glock a "fad"... Funny how similarly that folks claim an affinity for absolute reliability in firearms, but in a vehicle, it's secondary to the nameplate on the front.

And unlike firearms, there exists extensive data on just how reliable and trouble-free various vehicles are.

When I was shopping for a new vehicle a couple of years ago, I wanted a half-ton 4dr 4x4 pickup. I looked at and drove them all. I wanted an 8' bed so I could haul my ATV in the back. Buying a used truck around here is pointless. They hold their value so much that you save a few thousand over new and get a truck that has nearly 100k miles and has been subjected to who knows what kind of abuse. Lots of farmers and loggers who are hard on trucks.

I really liked the F-150 and they were reasonably reliable. But, even though the website shows that they make them with an 8' bed and supercab, I have never seen one. Plus, every single one I saw for sale on a dealer lot was over $40k, unless it was a plain white regular cab with the 2.7 liter V6. Gross.

Checked out the Chevy offerings and it was the same. Plus, lots of horror stories about them and transmissions. Dodge had just released the new Ram 1500 and it was sexy inside and out, plus you could get a Tradesman package for around $30k. But, the quality was just not there and no 8' bed option.

Finally stopped by the Toyota dealer and they had one 2019 left in the configuration I wanted; 5.7 V8, 4dr cab with 8' bed, but it was painted desert tan. Price was $33k. I drove it and realized just how giant a full-size pickup with 4 doors and a full-size bed is. This would be my daily driver and the thought of trying to negotiate it around downtown was daunting.

I took a hard look at what I really needed for getting to work, getting into the woods, and what would make the most sense. So I ended up with a 2019 Toyota 4Runner. I also got a nice utility trailer for towing my UTV and for hauling stuff. I love the thing, though the gas mileage is awful. The only time it has seen the dealer is for oil changes and tire rotations.

Despite thousands of miles off-road on rough roads and towing, it remains tight and rattle-free. I rode in a co-workers 2 year old F-150 to go to lunch and it had an annoying amount of little rattles and squeaks inside. And he is a yuppie who has never even been on a gravel road in his immaculate pickup.

So yeah, I don't fall for the nonsense about how I'm un-American for driving a Toyota, or they are outdated, or unimpressive on paper because they don't have the latest doo-dads and 75-speed transmissions. I don't care. I care about getting into the woods and back without worrying about breaking down, or being able to go on a road trip without worrying about breaking down.

[Petrol & Powder]

I've driven, owned and worked on most of them. Brand loyalty is often blind but I will say that over the years I've been consistently impressed with Toyota. I can't speak to their current trucks and frankly, NO ONE CAN. It's only after considerable years and miles that anyone can pass judgement on any piece of equipment. They often seem great at first (A lot like women !). It's only after long term use that we get some idea of longevity, common failures, strengths, weaknesses and so on.

In 1995 I purchased a slightly used Dodge 3/4 ton 4wd with the Cummins diesel. That was the old 12 valve Cummins with the mechanical injector pump. The engine was absolutely bulletproof. The rest of the truck was a long series of never ending repairs. It always got me home and I owned that truck for 17 years, but I doubt I'll ever buy another Dodge.

Like fcvan, I'm a fan of diesels. However when my Dodge went away my needs had changed and I acquired a Toyota Tacoma. It's an older 4 cylinder, 5-Speed, 4WD; but I'll drive that until the wheels fall off. I don't need the 3/4 ton capacity anymore and that little Tacoma has paid for itself and then some. Like fcvan, If I could get my hands on a diesel Toyota Hi-Lux, I would own one. They are awesome trucks.

Part of the problem is people tend to form opinions based on past experiences (where else could you gain that knowledge) but the situations change. That incredible Chevy Cheyenne, Ford F-250 or Dodge Power Wagon you owned 40 years ago isn't an indicator of that brands current lineup.

I will say this. Next time you're watching some news story about some event in a third world country; pay attention to what the farmers/freedom fighters/warlords/rescue workers/whatever are driving. 9 times out of 10 - its a Toyota !
They didn't select a Toyota because it was "all they could get", they selected a Toyota because over the past 40 years it has proven to be the Best They Could Get.

[10x]

Nope, just stupid brainwashing. If that's an idea of a truck for you, go for it. I personally will not own any vehicle with an OHC engine, so unless that changes, I won't be buying any Toyota truck.

The interiors are crap, too, which in my old age, is becoming a much more serious consideration.

Every one has their opinion. Good luck with what ever you buy.

[Mal Paso]

The only vehicle I had with incredible gas mileage was a 1959 VW Beatle that would travel over 360 miles on 8 imperial gallons. Driving it added days to a road trip if there were long uphill stretches

For me it was an Austin Healy Sprite but it was not slow. A 6 gallon gas tank that was easy to fill, I think the whole car was 1600 pounds with an 1100 cc engine.

I'm sold on Cummins, you get a dodge with that.

[kerplode]

So for the record, my daily driver is an 09 Tacoma. It's creeping up on 200k. Still tight, no leaks, drives great, and aside from a little scratch here and there, it still looks new. Like all of the other Toyotas I've owned, I've only done routine maintenance and changed tires (knock on wood...). The old pushrod Chevy 1500 I had years back? By 85k that thing was a wobbly rattle-trap and burned nearly as much oil as gas.

Yeah, it doesn't have 10k worth of electronic BS and a bunch of leather. It can't pull a 20,000lb trailer or haul 5000lbs in the bed. But that's all fine. It does what I need...Gets me places reliably and goes like hell in the snow and off-road. I'd jump in the thing tomorrow morning and drive it across country without a single concern for not getting where I was going.

So I had the chance to drive a new Ranger for a week early last year. Yeah, it had the flashy infotainment business and fancy interior. But the engine was manic, the power delivery was rough, the 37 speed trans hunted constantly, the stop-start was flaky and annoying, braking and steering both felt mushy. I'm sure it could beat the Taco in a drag race, but I didn't find it to be an improvement and I was happy to get my ride back when it was all done.

[GregLaROCHE]

No one has mentioned how well their trucks hold up to corrosion. Especially if you live in the snow belt, where they use a lot of salt. Any brands better than others in that respect?

[cwtebay]

I should note - I pull a 6000# ANCHOR (let's say a work tool) for approximately 35,000 miles a year +/- into less than ideal road conditions in the mountains and have a work box in the bed that weighs a consistent 2500#. My prior/typical F150's did great, pulling on ice and snow and whatever. My Chevy's have performed admirably as well. My experience with the Toyota was ridiculous. It would shift uncontrollably and was less than stellar under load, I burnt bearings in less than 2000 miles. I took it back for answers and was told that all of the Toyota lines are designed for a lot of weightless commuting and were reliable for actual cargo and pulling less than 50% of what I was asking. I ended up having to sell it at 20,000 miles for around 40% of the purchase price. I tried to buy another for an associate and had the aforementioned requirements in hand - the salesman told me to get a Ford or Chevy.
Before anyone gets all wadded up about the weight I am using - look at the advertised towing and hauling capabilities of the 1/2 ton pickups.

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[Petrol & Powder]

No one has mentioned how well their trucks hold up to corrosion. Especially if you live in the snow belt, where they use a lot of salt. Any brands better than others in that respect?

The dreaded tin worm shows no favorites.
They ALL rust, just in different ways.

For those of you old enough to remember, there was a entire cottage industry built around replacing Ford cab supports.
GM trucks had rocker panels that you could use to guess the year of the truck by the size of the holes.
Dodge's would lose the outer panel of the beds around the rear wheels.
When Toyota finally got the body to where it wouldn't fall off the frame due to rust, they screwed up the frame and it rusted.
Nissans would rust anyplace two panels met, typically around the doors.

Now, moving into the current era, It's too soon to know if any of the manufacturers have finally corrected their old faults but I wouldn't put a lot of money on that bet.

I will say that spray on bed liners and undercoating when the truck is new has probably saved more trucks than anything.

[alamogunr]

I'm in the Toyota camp. I've driven Toyota Avalon's since 1995. We are on the third one now. I also have a 2013 Tundra. I don't use it to earn a living. I'm retired and have been for the last 14 years. All the criticism about Tundra towing capacity doesn't worry me. I use it to carry my stuff from home to the range and a few other light duties. All these Toyota's have given me less trouble in total than my last "American" car did in less than 5 years. The only criticism I have is that batteries replaced by the Toyota dealer seem to be at the bottom of the reliability list. They told me last year that my truck battery was on its last legs. Still starts every time. Probably will replace it this summer. Don't think an 8 year old battery will stand the summer heat here in TN. BTW, the dealer won't replace the battery. I'm going to shop around and get the largest battery that will fit the tray.

[slim1836]

I'd get a GMC just for the step tailgate, they do look good, although I've only seen them on TV. :drinks:

Slim

[Idaho45guy]

I'd get a GMC just for the step tailgate, they do look good, although I've only seen them on TV. :drinks:

Slim

They stole that idea from Ford...

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2017/01/gm-patents-truck-tailgate-step-after-mocking-ford-years-earlier/#:~:text=New%20patent%20filings%2C%20reported%20by %20AutoGuide%2C%20show%20that,brand%20is%20ready%2 0to%20introduce%20the%20feature%20itself.

"Chevrolet (and GM as a whole) has a well-documented history of poking fun at its rival Ford, especially when it comes to pickup trucks. However, it seems that the brand (and automaker) may be caught with its foot in its mouth.

New patent filings, reported by AutoGuide, show that General Motors has patented a tailgate step similar to what Ford introduced in 2009 as the StepGate system. At the time of its introduction, Chevrolet produced an ad mocking the “man step”, but it looks like the brand is ready to introduce the feature itself."

[Petrol & Powder]

alamogunr, you are absolutely correct about summer heat killing batteries but 8 years on one isn't bad. Cold weather will expose a weak battery but it's the heat that does the damage.

My girlfriend has a very abused Toyota with over 250K. She did most of that abuse. I'm the one that usually repairs that car and a lessor machine would have died years ago. Despite the poor treatment, that car has stood up well.
The repairs have been things like the starter finally died at about 240K, the alternator died at about 200K (original brushes still in it), and other thing like that.

I've seen many old 22R 4 cylinder engines from the old Toyota trucks go 300K. The manual transmissions will not die along as there's oil in them. The transfer cases will outlast a couple of trucks.

I'm impressed with the engineering that goes into Toyotas. Even a cheap, low end model will give good service.

[rockrat]

My daily driver is an 04 Tundra. 4.7 liter. 157,000 miles on it. I have had two coolant leaks on the top front of the engine(common on these I have been told). O/H'd the transmission at about 80K miles (bearing in torque converter disintigrated and took out tranny) replaced drivers door (door check pulled out of door) and replaced drivers seat(frame broke in a few places). Probably spent about 6K in repairs on it. Last Toyota truck I will have. Have had good luck with the Toyota cars we have bought though.

My '07 Duramax work truck has had a leaking power steering hose, but thats about it. Have 67K on it. Don't drive it much nowadays due to the China Flu, but need it now and then.

[Plate plinker]

alamogunr, you are absolutely correct about summer heat killing batteries but 8 years on one isn't bad. Cold weather will expose a weak battery but it's the heat that does the damage.

My girlfriend has a very abused Toyota with over 250K. She did most of that abuse. I'm the one that usually repairs that car and a lessor machine would have died years ago. Despite the poor treatment, that car has stood up well.
The repairs have been things like the starter finally died at about 240K, the alternator died at about 200K (original brushes still in it), and other thing like that.

I've seen many old 22R 4 cylinder engines from the old Toyota trucks go 300K. The manual transmissions will not die along as there's oil in them. The transfer cases will outlast a couple of trucks.

I'm impressed with the engineering that goes into Toyotas. Even a cheap, low end model will give good service.

And repairs are easy and simple. So far for me.

[Idaho45guy]

I've found that the most effective way to determine how reliable a particular vehicle is, is to find an internet forum for that particular vehicle and start reading.

You can pretty easily figure out the common issues that the vehicles have.

I went to a Ram forum and was amazed at the huge number of threads on issues, the "stickies" at the top of page addressing recalls and common problems, and the angry and frustrated owners who vowed to never again buy a Ram.

I'm on a similar forum for my 4Runner, and the vast number of threads are on what accessories to add, what tires fit and work best, glove box organizers, etc. 4Runner owners are obsessive over customizing since they have nothing else to worry about. Ram and Chevy owners worry about their dealer's loaner vehicle policy when their vehicle is in the shop for the 4th time that year.

[David2011]

This whole discussion confirms my decision was the right one. I have a 2000 F-150 4x4. After much thought I decided to permanently (as much as possible) fix the Check Engine light issue. After that was cured for $1200-$1500 and lots of my labor, it got a fresh coat of paint for another $3000. It could use a new interior and I’ve found a company to replace it for a reasonable price. I just didn’t want the issues of the newer engines with 3 valves and cam phasers and didn’t have any desire to fork out for a new truck. At this point its major function is home improvement store runs. The daily drier is a hotrod Honda Accord coupe.

[LUCKYDAWG13]

No one has mentioned how well their trucks hold up to corrosion. Especially if you live in the snow belt, where they use a lot of salt. Any brands better than others in that respect?
This is one of the reasons I'm looking for a new truck the rear fenders are just about gone on my 2008 F150 i only have 115000 miles on it it's a good running truck the only thing that I had to fix on it was the break's and a tuneup wires and plugs tires

[Petrol & Powder]

Rust is the great equalizer.

The tin worm shows no favorites.

Unless you get an old Land Rover that has an aluminum body, but then you would have a whole new set of problems :-D

[Plate plinker]

This is one of the reasons I'm looking for a new truck the rear fenders are just about gone on my 2008 F150 i only have 115000 miles on it it's a good running truck the only thing that I had to fix on it was the break's and a tuneup wires and plugs tires

Why not look for a new bed for it and paint it? Unless the cancer has already spread.

[MT Gianni]

The point with cars is to build to a level where you are paying cash. Get a 4 year loan and when it's paid keep paying the payment to your savings account. Trade at 6 years rather than at 4. Now you have trade + $10K or a private sale and $$$. If freedom is not having a house payment, true freedom is not having a car or house payment.

[kerplode]

This whole discussion confirms my decision was the right one. I have a 2000 F-150 4x4. After much thought I decided to permanently (as much as possible) fix the Check Engine light issue. After that was cured for $1200-$1500 and lots of my labor, it got a fresh coat of paint for another $3000. It could use a new interior and I’ve found a company to replace it for a reasonable price. I just didn’t want the issues of the newer engines with 3 valves and cam phasers and didn’t have any desire to fork out for a new truck. At this point its major function is home improvement store runs. The daily drier is a hotrod Honda Accord coupe.
Nice! :drinks:



Unless you get an old Land Rover that has an aluminum body, but then you would have a whole new set of problems :-D
Man, ain't that that truth!

[snowwolfe]

The point with cars is to build to a level where you are paying cash. Get a 4 year loan and when it's paid keep paying the payment to your savings account. Trade at 6 years rather than at 4. Now you have trade + $10K or a private sale and $$$. If freedom is not having a house payment, true freedom is not having a car or house payment.

I dont even see the logic to trade every 6 years. As long as a vehicle meets my needs and runs good its staying.

[popper]

Wouldn't have a camry but had a 2004 4runer (totaled by 10 ton truck) and 2006. Plugs, tires battery, gave to daughter @ 80K and she still drives it - 120K mi. Worn out Tundras low mileage a dime a dozen around here.

[alamogunr]

The point with cars is to build to a level where you are paying cash. Get a 4 year loan and when it's paid keep paying the payment to your savings account. Trade at 6 years rather than at 4. Now you have trade + $10K or a private sale and $$$. If freedom is not having a house payment, true freedom is not having a car or house payment.

As I posted earlier, I have had 3 Avalons. Kept the first one 10 years. At 200k miles it was finally broken in. The second we kept 11 years but only drove it 140K+ miles(we have gotten old). Not sure we will ever replace the third. The Tundra was bought new in 2013. It only has approx 41K on it. I have to make myself just get in and drive 50-100 miles so it doesn't get lazy. I doubt that I will ever own another truck. At this rate I can have it buried with me and still probably only have less than 150K miles.

[brewer12345]

I have a 2011 F150 4x4 that has the first year of the 3.5 liter ecoboost and the last year of the steel body. That means that not a lot of the truck beyond the engine applies to the years OP asked about. The engine has been flawless over 115k miles and a bunch of towing. Overall I have been real happy with the truck and will buy another F150 when the time comes. A buddy has a 2016 and has had zero problems with it.

[LUCKYDAWG13]

Thanks brewer 12345 how's the body on your truck as far as rust

[Idaho45guy]

What's rust?

This was a `96 F-150 I was looking at last summer and thinking about buying. We don't salt the roads out here in the winter. Should have jumped on that truck. If it would have been 4wd, it would be in my driveway at the $2500 price.

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[pcolapaddler]

I've owned three trucks in my life.

An old internation harvester pickup. It was powder blue... Meaning if you touched it, you would get blue powder on you. I drove it home on back roads and parked it. I acquired it in a trade. Never had time or money to do much else with it. Kind of wished I had.

I bought a used 2007 Tundra around 2012 or so. It had about 80k miles on it. I put 3 rear ends under it before the transmission started going out. The third rear end was making noise too. The engine ran like the day I bought it. Great power with the 4.30 ratio and tow package. I understand that the later models don't have the problem with rear end issues.

I've had my 2019 Ram Bighorn for a little over a year. Probably too soon to tell, but so far it is doing well. Gas mileage with the Hemi it's decent if I keep my foot under control. Ride is ok. It has lots of 'stuff' on it. Some probably isn't necessary. I sometimes wish I had the larger crew cab rather than the quad cab, but with the 6 ft bed, it would be harder to maneuver in parking lots.

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[white eagle]

Hello I'm starting to look for a new to me truck is there any issues with 2016 - 2019 F150 4x4 Right now I have a 2008 with a
5,4 Triton and it has been a great running Truck with no issues at all but it's time to get something newer the only needs that I need in my new Truck is 4 wheel drive and that's about it thanks for your suggestions

I own a 2016 F150 3.5 twin turbo and have had no issues with it
I have pulled some heavy stuff with it (bobcat and trailer) no troubles with it
Four wheel drive works real good,it has a feature where you can turn off the limited slip and get traction to both rear wheels like a posi rear end not sure if it works the same in front on 4 wheel drive but no matter
Not to fond of the back assist steering but like the tow package with the trailer brake controller
I have had to ad that feature
been good to me so far got it with 33,000 now have 94,000 on it
I did ad a air assist rear bags and on board compressor no more squatting for me

[LUCKYDAWG13]

I own a 2016 F150 3.5 twin turbo and have had no issues with it
I have pulled some heavy stuff with it (bobcat and trailer) no troubles with it
Four wheel drive works real good,it has a feature where you can turn off the limited slip and get traction to both rear wheels like a posi rear end not sure if it works the same in front on 4 wheel drive but no matter
Not to fond of the back assist steering but like the tow package with the trailer brake controller
I have had to ad that feature
been good to me so far got it with 33,000 now have 94,000 on it
I did ad a air assist rear bags and on board compressor no more squatting for me

Thanks how's the body holding out as far as Rust

[GregLaROCHE]

Something I’ve never understood, why are there Chevy and GMC trucks? Isn’t Chevy part of General Motors?

[kbstenberg]

Greg
The same reason there were Johnson and Evinrude OBM. Or H110 and 296

[Petrol & Powder]

At one time Chevy and GMC were different brands under General Motors, but now it is because they can charge more for the GMC label.

[10x]

At one time Chevy and GMC were different brands under General Motors, but now it is because they can charge more for the GMC label.


Something I’ve never understood, why are there Chevy and GMC trucks? Isn’t Chevy part of General Motors?

Branding and product line.
Brand loyalty is incredible. In 1962 my dad bought a GMC 910. Identical to the Chev 10. All parts were interchangeable yet the Chev fans crapped on GMs and the GM fans crapped on Chev fans, and both crapped on Ford, studebaker, dodge, and International.
Chevrolet made cars and pickups, GMC made trucks and pickups. Both were owned by General Motors Corporation.
I grew up with guys that would not buy a Chev but they would buy a GMC, same vehicle, same engine, same power train, same suspension , same factory, - go figure.

[Petrol & Powder]

While Chevy and GMC were both General Motors products (still are) but there was a time when they were a bit more distinct.

Sherman, set the wayback machine to 1969.
Up until the early 1970's, GMC pickup trucks were equipped with different engines than their Chevy counterparts. The bodies were similar but had small stylistic differences (GMC had 4 head lights and Chevy had 2), badging was specific to the brand, interiors were slightly different, etc.
The GMC models in those years had a large V-6 (usually a 305 or 351 but there were other versions as well). That big 351 V-6 was actually a pretty good engine. Easy to service, lots of low end torque, very dependable; but expensive to produce. Eventually the bean counters won out and GMC pickups went to GM corporate engine (Chevrolet). Many GMC fans considered that to be the death of the separate GMC brand.

One of my family members had a 1969 GMC Camper Custom with that 351 V-6 and a 4 speed manual (3 speed with a granny gear). That truck was a workhorse and it was still running strong in the early 1990's.

Today's Chevy/GMC lines are mostly branding and package differences for marketing reasons.

[brewer12345]

Thanks brewer 12345 how's the body on your truck as far as rust

No rust, but I am in Colorado where rust isn't a real issue.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

At one time Chevy and GMC were different brands under General Motors, but now it is because they can charge more for the GMC label.


Branding and product line.
Brand loyalty is incredible.

>>>SNIP

I love when GMC started using The Who's song, "Eminence Front" in their commercials. Honestly, knowing what the song is about, I don't know why it works to sell trucks...AND this particular commercial makes me NOT want a GMC, LOL. But someone it buying them :coffee:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zobUe1O8Ckk

[Petrol & Powder]

Yeah....marketing is about perception not reality.

[Petander]

Here is my 1991 3.0 V6 4Runner, have it for five years now. I had a similar 1993 too for ten years, the rust finally got it last year. I kept it as a spare parts car for years but never needed parts...

These 4Runners have been no-worries cars,even every single tiny little switch works after 30 years in snow and thaw. I drive lots of small bad roads. Half a year is mud and/or snow.

https://i.postimg.cc/zBfJtq1x/IMG-20210125-074410-516.jpg

My 2002 Suburban z71 5.3 Vortec is waiting for summer,it doesn't cut our finnish winter for me but it's a great good weather summer highway car.

https://i.postimg.cc/CLKFHGgb/IMG-20210124-134041.jpg


I still haven't found a "do-it-all"-car. Had a 351 Bronco in the 90's, also a -74 Range Rover (yes,aluminum...),an 80's Cherokee, a Pajero... I'll most probably get another 4Runner next.

[Lloyd Smale]

Looking for a car, suv or truck??? car wise i hate imports but dad and my sister love there suburus and id say we get at least as much snow as you do there. Suv? Best off road and in really bad conditions is probably a jeep cherokee. There 4x4 system is a notch above the rest but steer clear of the 4.7 v8. Truck? what ever brand you like. There all good.

[Petander]

Looking for a car, suv or truck??? car wise i hate imports but dad and my sister love there suburus and id say we get at least as much snow as you do there. Suv? Best off road and in really bad conditions is probably a jeep cherokee. There 4x4 system is a notch above the rest but steer clear of the 4.7 v8. Truck? what ever brand you like. There all good.

Who,me?

The hardest conditions are icy highways. It's very common these days to have water on ice October to April.

I praise my wife for her little Corolla & stud tires then.

[.429&H110]

Post #37! Hi to alamogunr!
I have a 1995 Avalon 280,000 miles, bought it new in Vermont.
Wife drove it to work and every mall in the Northeast.
She drove it to Scottsdale then On!toAlaska! then here to Tucson.
Avalon gets a timing belt every 40k, waterpump changes with it.
Has original exhaust, alternator, a/c, needed a new radiator for AZ.
Only good car she has ever owned. All leather.
My 2001 Tacoma 180,000 miles, original clutch and brakes.
I even got a speeding ticket in AK! You have to try really hard...
Granddaughters are fascinated by the five speed, window cranks, and cassette player.
paid 9k cash new with 1989 rusty 140k toy tradein.
pulled a 20 foot ODay just far enough
Peasant Lake to Sunapee or Winnipesauke
Oday looked silly behind a little red truck
pulled a uhaul NH to AZ
pulled two quads all over AK
Aluma flat trailer AK to AZ
You need patience to tow with 160hp...
Plugged in, Mobil1, started after sitting a week at -40.
Compared to the dozens of service trucks
I have destroyed-worn out-outlived
the Toyotas don't break.
Some Fords are just cursed.
Tacoma is really only a big go-cart.
If you covered your bed with 2x6
I could easily drive up a ramp onto your
Detroit wondertruck
so you could have a spare.

Somebody say snow?
It's the tires that stick,
not the truck.
It's four wheel go,
not four wheel stop.
Easier to stop one ton than two.