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jeff223
12-30-2005, 07:18 PM
how about a Lee group buy for a 6 holer mold that drops a 265gr boolit that takes a gas check with a nice big meplat?thinking about having this boolit alittle bigger than normal,say .433 or .434.this would work out for handi rifle shooters and others that have a large bore diameter.this could be sized down to whatever.

will work for 44mag,445 supermag and maybe 444 Marlin


if there is enough interest i will honcho another group buy.

what you think?this will be posted here and on Grayberad Outdoors

your ideas and input please

Dr. A
12-30-2005, 07:34 PM
I'd sure like one shaped like the Beartooth WFN in same weight. Works well in the 444.

jeff223
12-30-2005, 08:20 PM
the Beartooth boolit is the boolit im talking about.if the deal gets put together we will need one or two of those to send to Lee for them to measure and copy.i think that would work?dont know for sure but i could check that out when the time comeshttp://castboolits.gunloads.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Johnch
12-30-2005, 08:21 PM
I have been searching for a good middle weight bullet mold , that drops a big enough bullet .

Is that like a LBT WFN ?


Johnch

Dutch4122
12-30-2005, 09:37 PM
Another one I need! Like Buckshot says, these group buys are killing me!:)

Just checked out the Beartooth 265grn WFNGC. Single lube groove is nice. How about a at least as much lube capacity as 45 2.1's 434-250-RF? Also the 3 crimp groove concept seemed to be a good idea. Maybe we could carry it over to this one?

Probably an 80% or so meplat on this one as well, right?

jeff223
12-31-2005, 08:33 AM
im open for ideas on this.i dont know that much about cast boolits but i know there are many here that do.i would like a good designed boolit that would be accuracte out of my 445 supermag TC Contender barrel and would like accuracy for all of those getting on on the group buy

if anyone has a picture of a boolit like the 265 beartooth please post it.two lube groves and three crimp groves would be fine aslong as theres a good chance of accuracyhttp://castboolits.gunloads.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

45 2.1
12-31-2005, 09:43 AM
Whoever has got the actual Beertooth bullet, send me a sample.

308
12-31-2005, 10:59 AM
Jeff, I'm definitely in if the mould will drop them at least .433". I like the looks of the Beartooth 265 WFN, but never bought any cause the biggest they make are .432". Thanks for getting this started. :cool:

jeff223
12-31-2005, 01:37 PM
Lamar im thinking that we should go with a boolit that is .434 so it will cover all the bases.the handi rifles seem to have a very oversized bore and the .434 should have you guys covered.

i cant get in at Graybeard Outdoors with a new topic so thats why i havnt posted there.once things are running good there i will post a feeler there too.

if someone has one of these Beartooth boolits maybe they could send it to the gent above,the boolit designerhttp://castboolits.gunloads.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

thanks,
jeff

drinks
12-31-2005, 06:05 PM
My .44 mag. Handi is MG and .431"
I called H&R about what their size and tolerances are, I was told .431 was the standard and the tolerance is + - .002", so it is possible to get a Handi barrel that is .433".
A fate to be avoided with the molds available.

Johnch
12-31-2005, 08:11 PM
I looked at the bullet I like !!

http://www.beartoothbullets.com/images/bullets/BTB-44-265WFNGC2.jpg

Here is a pic shown when you click on the pic from the Bear Tooth Bullet web site .


Johnch

308
12-31-2005, 09:09 PM
Lamar im thinking that we should go with a boolit that is .434 so it will cover all the bases.the handi rifles seem to have a very oversized bore and the .434 should have you guys covered.
Jeff, that sounds excellent, I'll take one in .434" for sure. :-D


My .44 mag. Handi is MG and .431" drinks, my .44 Handi barrel and several others I know of measure .432". :veryconfu


I looked at the bullet I like !! ME TOO, and I'd love to have it in .433/.434". The biggest Beartooth offers is .432." Dang it. :-(

Buckshot
01-01-2006, 04:07 AM
................I might just have to get in on this "Fat 44" deal for my Martini 444. It'd for sure need the GC at 2300 fps!

................Buckshot

45 2.1
01-01-2006, 11:37 AM
Is this something like your wanting? Its set up for lever 44 mags, 444 marlins and long seated 44 mag handguns. 75% meplat, gas check and about 265 gr. at 0.434" depending on LEE.

Dutch4122
01-01-2006, 01:19 PM
Definately what I had in mind; but this is Jeff's group buy so I'll defer to him since he came up with the idea and has already volunteered to be the honcho.

308
01-01-2006, 01:29 PM
Is this something like your wanting? Its set up for lever 44 mags, 444 marlins and long seated 44 mag handguns. 75% meplat, gas check and about 265 gr.That'll work for me as long as it's at least .433". Very good looking boolit, BTW. ;-)

jeff223
01-01-2006, 05:13 PM
thanks for posting that picture of that boolit.i think that one would be just the ticket.could that one be made up to fall out of the mold at .434?or very close to that?

if so lets go with that boolit

thanks again
jeff

Greg
01-01-2006, 09:01 PM
Jeff-

Put me down for one, Please.

ironduke2
01-01-2006, 10:47 PM
Jeff. Put me down fo one. I think GBO is fixed now works real fast. Thanks. Bob :lovebooli

mike in co
01-01-2006, 11:51 PM
crap just when i was all happy with my 280 plain base...you offer me a 265 gas check in a six pack............. crap this means i'll have to up my gc buy on 44's
count me in

jeff223
01-02-2006, 11:01 AM
is there anyone that can post a picture of the boolit showing all the dimensions of the boolit?

this might be a job for boolit designer?can you do this for us?the boolit you posted a picture of would be a great one to go with

thankyou,
jeff

Dutch4122
01-02-2006, 04:46 PM
is there anyone that can post a picture of the boolit showing all the dimensions of the boolit?

this might be a job for boolit designer?can you do this for us?the boolit you posted a picture of would be a great one to go with

thankyou,
jeff


Jeff, you have a Private Message.

Bear4570
01-02-2006, 05:23 PM
I like the looks of 45's drawing, if you go with this, put me done for one.

I'm my two cavity Lyman 429244 Ray Thompson design, but its only a two cavity.
Was hoping something like this would come up.

Johnch
01-02-2006, 05:41 PM
Put me down for 1 .
But I may take 2 when it's time to pay , depending on my wallet :groner:

Johnch

Dutch4122
01-03-2006, 09:07 AM
With Lee's habit of cutting these custom runs a .001" - .002" undersized on the bands & nose I've been thinking about 45 2.1's idea a while back on his custom runs thread that we should spec our custom boolits .001" over what we actually want.

In this case we would send this one in to them spec'd to drop .435" on the bands. That way if they are off by .001" then we still have the .434" diameter we wanted; and if they are .002" undersized then we still have the .433" that will work for pretty much everybody. If they hit the .435" diameter by "accident" then we'll still be able to size them down without any problems.

Comments, concerns?

45 2.1
01-03-2006, 09:55 AM
With Lee's habit of cutting these custom runs a .001" - .002" undersized on the bands & nose I've been thinking about 45 2.1's idea a while back on his custom runs thread that we should spec our custom boolits .001" over what we actually want.

In this case we would send this one in to them spec'd to drop .435" on the bands. That way if they are off by .001" then we still have the .434" diameter we wanted; and if they are .002" undersized then we still have the .433" that will work for pretty much everybody. If they hit the .435" diameter by "accident" then we'll still be able to size them down without any problems.

Comments, concerns?

On past group buys, the molds in this size range have been running anywhere from 0.0008" to 0.0018" undersize from what they were dimensioned at, regardless of the specification range on the drawing. The LEE fudge factor isn't consistent either. I think the above suggestion should work, depending on what everyone wants to do. The crimp grooves would be better changed to something like is what LEE uses on there heavy 310 gr. 45 colt bullet ( a groove in place of a normal tapered crimp groove). That would help if they made a mistake and actually got it up to the spec'd size.

Dutch4122
01-03-2006, 10:04 AM
The crimp grooves would be better changed to something like is what LEE uses on there heavy 310 gr. 45 colt bullet ( a groove in place of a normal tapered crimp groove). That would help if they made a mistake and actually got it up to the spec'd size.

Isn't that what we got on the 434-250-RF, 3 grooves in place of a normal tapered crimp groove? Sounds like a good plan to me! The less variables we can account for ahead of time the better off we will be in the end.

Just my .02 cents.

Newtire
01-03-2006, 10:50 AM
With Lee's habit of cutting these custom runs a .001" - .002" undersized on the bands & nose I've been thinking about 45 2.1's idea a while back on his custom runs thread that we should spec our custom boolits .001" over what we actually want.

In this case we would send this one in to them spec'd to drop .435" on the bands. That way if they are off by .001" then we still have the .434" diameter we wanted; and if they are .002" undersized then we still have the .433" that will work for pretty much everybody. If they hit the .435" diameter by "accident" then we'll still be able to size them down without any problems.

Comments, concerns?
Hi Dutch,
I don't know about anyone else but I know that when I am trying to size down a bullet any more than say....002" after it's been water quenched, I have a hard time getting it to go thru the sizer. What's more, the grease grooves start to go away. Also, I think that any hardening gained by water dropping is long gone by sizing so much. My vote is for a .433" max. diam. Just my $.02 worth.
I think that bullet ought to be the answer for the .444 if it will feed thru the Marlin.
Yup.
Newtire

felix
01-03-2006, 11:26 AM
Three ways to circumvent that problem, Newtire. Method One: Size immediately after water dropping, just after they are dry from the water. Keep them out of the heat, i.e., sun, while waiting to size. Low humidity environment with fan is preferred. Method Two: Use when you don't have time after water dropping. Size and shoot on the day of sizing. Method two is preferable for boolits which are too soft to be sized immediately after water dropping. Sizing should produce round boolits, and, the harder the boolits are, the more round they tend to be after sizing. Method Three: If these boolits are going to be stored and not readily shot, then oven treat them after sizing without lube, and then again after they are dry but with lube. ... felix

mike in co
01-03-2006, 02:11 PM
Three ways to circumvent that problem, Newtire. Method One: Size immediately after water dropping, just after they are dry from the water. Keep them out of the heat, i.e., sun, while waiting to size. Low humidity environment with fan is preferred. Method Two: Use when you don't have time after water dropping. Size and shoot on the day of sizing. Method two is preferable for boolits which are too soft to be sized immediately after water dropping. Sizing should produce round boolits, and, the harder the boolits are, the more round they tend to be after sizing. Method Three: If these boolits are going to be stored and not readily shot, then oven treat them after sizing without lube, and then again after they are dry but with lube. ... felix

method four: get a mould the right size......

ouch

me i'm in for a 433...but not a 435.....
i need a 432......435 is too much

45 2.1
01-03-2006, 02:55 PM
method four: get a mould the right size......

ouch

me i'm in for a 433...but not a 435.....
i need a 432......435 is too much

With LEE, you don't really know what your going to get, FACT!!!.
Like I said before they are undersize between 1 and 2 thousandths on all the larger special order molds we've done. So, just what size do we specify to get what we want. Dutch, I and others have been thru this alot. Most of these guys want a 0.434" boolit, that would meen 0.435" specified if LEE does their usuall thing to have any chance at a 0.434" slug. Yep, that 0.435" spec. will give a 0.433+" boolit for sure, but will it go 0.434"?

krag35
01-03-2006, 09:54 PM
I think I'd be in for one of these, as long as they drop BIGGER than .433, and that is up to Lee. 44 bullets can be sized WAY down and work just fine. I plainbased a Lee 44-310 with a drillpress, it dropped with a base band that measured .437, also did a 429649 with the same bit. Both size down to .432 without any problem.
krag35

Newtire
01-03-2006, 10:22 PM
method four: get a mould the right size......

ouch

me i'm in for a 433...but not a 435.....
i need a 432......435 is too much
Yo Mike!
You be my man! Yeah, .432 or .431 works just peachy in my Marlin micro-groove .444.

308
01-04-2006, 11:04 PM
jeff223 asked me to let y'all know his computer is on the blink, and hopes to be back on-line asap. Thanks.

HotGuns
01-04-2006, 11:17 PM
45.2.1...

Question...

First you say:

On past group buys, the molds in this size range have been running anywhere from 0.008" to 0.018"

and then you say:

Like I said before they are undersize between 1 and 2 thousandths on all the larger special order molds we've done.

Can I assume that you put the decimal point in tehe wrong place ?
18 thousanths seems like a lot to me...however, .0008 to .0018 seems more realistic...

45 2.1
01-04-2006, 11:19 PM
45.2.1...

Question...

First you say:


and then you say:


Can I assume that you put the decimal point in tehe wrong place ?
18 thousanths seems like a lot to me...however, .0008 to .0018 seems more realistic...

Sorry, your right 0.0008" to 0.0018", lack of sleep does that to me.

HotGuns
01-04-2006, 11:22 PM
LOL... :-P

me too.

Newtire
01-07-2006, 12:28 AM
Three ways to circumvent that problem, Newtire. Method One: Size immediately after water dropping, just after they are dry from the water. Keep them out of the heat, i.e., sun, while waiting to size. Low humidity environment with fan is preferred. Method Two: Use when you don't have time after water dropping. Size and shoot on the day of sizing. Method two is preferable for boolits which are too soft to be sized immediately after water dropping. Sizing should produce round boolits, and, the harder the boolits are, the more round they tend to be after sizing. Method Three: If these boolits are going to be stored and not readily shot, then oven treat them after sizing without lube, and then again after they are dry but with lube. ... felix

Sorry taking me so long to respond. Thanks Felix. So, are you saying that after I size, then oven & quench from there. Never tried that yet because it's too much hassle right now with no time available. But anyway, just thinking with all these "fat .30" deals & now a fat .44, would love to see something in the .433 or .432 range max for those of us who have Marlin's. My .444 has a .430" bore & just shoots anything I put down the barrel. The heavier they are, the faster it likes them. .435 is just gonna be way way oversize for a .430 or .431 sizedown.

jeff223
01-07-2006, 03:28 PM
there seems to be alot of interest in this boolit but what size do we go with?

the reason i started this group buy was to fill the gap for the guys who have an oversized bore.there are lots of molds out thre to take care of barrels with a standard sized bore but there is nothing for the guys with an oversized bore.as far as im concerned a .434 or a .435 would do just fine.

i may not even use this mold myself,i was asked by a fellow shooter and internet friend to run another group buy because i have run them before with good luck.i told this fellow i would start this group buy so he could get a mold for his oversized handi rifle barrel.you guys should figure this out and decide on what size you want.

i do have a question for you cast boolits shooters.with a boolit from a mold like this what accuracy are you expecting from the boolit at 100yds?the reason i ask this is because cast boolits just dont shoot good for me.the 180gr 357cal Lee boolit just doesnt shoot worth beans from my Contender.i may end up selling that mold.this 44cal boolit i might try in my 445supermag barrel.i would like to run onto a good shooting cast boolit and if i did that is what i would use.i want MOA accuracy with a max speed or very close to that.i have that now with jacketed boolits with my 357max and 445sm barrel.

thanks for all the input so far and any help in the future
jeff

mike in co
01-08-2006, 12:21 AM
well set up a poll and vote on it..... pic a number and hope for the best from lee.
i think the sizing issue should be addressed by putting the numbers in black and white in a letter defining our acceptable numbers.
i think it worked ok on the 8mm deal....

Starrbow
01-08-2006, 01:22 AM
Ranch Dog had Lee do a run with that same bullet, meplat was .340 and it had tumble lube grooves, with gas check and they droped at around .4335/.434 they were designed to be 285grs but droped with ww 265grs. Lee may still have the info and monday I could post a pic of the bullet........at .433/.434 they shoot very good out of all our 44cals firearms, the Marlin 1894 really likes them and the 444 shows very, very good accuracy around the 2350fps mark, I have ran theses at 2500fps with very good results in our 444's but still working on the fine tuning.......I'm in for two molds............................................. ..............Marko

jeff223
01-08-2006, 10:03 AM
that would be nice Starrbow i would like to see the boolit and im sure the others would too

308
01-08-2006, 01:37 PM
I'm not worried if the boolits drop a bit over .434" since Lee will make me a custom sizing die for less than 30 bucks shipped. What I don't want is one less than .433." I copied the below from the Lee website:

http://www.leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/browse.cgi?1136741549.81=/html/catalog/custom.html#CUSTOMLUBESIZE

This is about half way down the above page:

Lube and Size Kits
Maximum bullet diameter is .575.

We need:

1. Payment of $29.00 ($25.00 + $4.00 s&h)
2. Desired diameter to the factory
Please allow 4 weeks for delivery.

Newtire
01-08-2006, 07:28 PM
there seems to be alot of interest in this boolit but what size do we go with?

the reason i started this group buy was to fill the gap for the guys who have an oversized bore.there are lots of molds out thre to take care of barrels with a standard sized bore but there is nothing for the guys with an oversized bore.as far as im concerned a .434 or a .435 would do just fine.

i may not even use this mold myself,i was asked by a fellow shooter and internet friend to run another group buy because i have run them before with good luck.i told this fellow i would start this group buy so he could get a mold for his oversized handi rifle barrel.you guys should figure this out and decide on what size you want.

i do have a question for you cast boolits shooters.with a boolit from a mold like this what accuracy are you expecting from the boolit at 100yds?the reason i ask this is because cast boolits just dont shoot good for me.the 180gr 357cal Lee boolit just doesnt shoot worth beans from my Contender.i may end up selling that mold.this 44cal boolit i might try in my 445supermag barrel.i would like to run onto a good shooting cast boolit and if i did that is what i would use.i want MOA accuracy with a max speed or very close to that.i have that now with jacketed boolits with my 357max and 445sm barrel.

thanks for all the input so far and any help in the future
jeff

Iwould like to see somewhere under 2" @100yds. out of my rifle. That's good enough for anything out to around 150 or so I figure.

Starrbow
01-09-2006, 02:02 PM
I hope this works:

http://www.marlinowners.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_bullets%20pic%20020.jpg





.................................................. .................................................. ............Marko

308
01-09-2006, 03:35 PM
Nice, I'd be happy with that one too, and the size should be perfect for me. That's the first TL boolit I recall seeing with a G/C. I like it. :grin:

45 2.1
01-09-2006, 03:55 PM
I was in on that buy by Ranch Dog on another forum also. It's a good bullet, but you need to give it two coats of LEE liquid alox to get no leading if you push it in a 444.

Starrbow
01-09-2006, 04:58 PM
In the 444 I use a 50/50 mix Tumble Lube and Bore Butter.....................Marko

jeff223
01-10-2006, 01:29 PM
WELL ITS TIME TO MAKE A DECISION

how are we going to decide on what boolit to go with?i have two guys over at another site wanting to pay me for the mold so we better get this all decided.

im in either one.that tumble lube boolit might be just the ticket,you can get a more simple setup than that.

my vote gos for that tumble lube boolit if you guys think it will be a good accuract boolit.

WHAT YOU ALL THINK AND WANT?i will go one way or the other

thanks,
jeff

Dr. A
01-10-2006, 01:41 PM
Tumble lube works well in the 444. I'm for the Ranch Dog's 265 TLGC

Dutch4122
01-10-2006, 02:37 PM
I think that Ranch Dog posted the diagram for his TLC432-285-RF in a previous thread. I printed it out at the time. Not sure if this will work or not but here goes:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=53

Looks like it was designed a bit small for what some of us wanted as it was spec'd at .432."

Has anybody contacted Ranch Dog about using his design? Seems the right thing to do out of courtesy.

Also, I agree with Mike, it looks like it's time for a poll on this.

jeff223
01-11-2006, 08:06 AM
i would someone get ahold of Ranch Dog?

also how do you setup a poll?

anyone help me out here?

either boolit is fine with me.all i would like is happy mold buyers and for everyone to end up with a good shooting boolit

Dr. A
01-11-2006, 12:57 PM
I sent RD an e-mail. He's usually pretty quick. I know he wanted to redo this because of interest over on Shooters. This could get pretty big. He's had alot of success with this particular bullet. His original was the little 2 cavity. Mine didn't last long before one of the pins fell out.

Dutch4122
01-11-2006, 08:12 PM
Jeff-

When you start a new thread at the very bottom you have the option to start a poll with that thread.

You can ask one of the moderators for help if you want the poll "sticky'd" so it stays at the top.

Hope this helps,

Ranch Dog
01-11-2006, 08:59 PM
Hey fellows...

Here is the Lee drawing for the bullet design. It was labeled the TLC432-285-RF but I never could get it to cast at 285-grain with the 1:10 - tin:lead alloy that Lee uses as it's standard. I shoot it with a 1:1 - WW:linotype and it drops a 265-grain bullet once the gas check has been applied.

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC432285RF/TLC432-285-RF Drawing_450x307.jpg

Actually, the bullet I copied for the design was the Hornady 265-FP...

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC432285RF/TLC-432-285-RF B_250x180.jpg

I was so impressed with the how well the Hornady shot out of every rifle I tried it in I thought I would see how it would work molded out of lead! Really, it has the proper length for stabilizing out of the 1:38 barrels without a lot of fiddling around. For my nilgai hunt, I was pushing it at 2400 FPS out of my old 444T and it shot great and put a big, tough animal down. I've also shot it out of both Marlin and Winchesters chambered in 44 Mag. Again it is very accurate and kills graveyard dead.

Normally, I use three coats of Liquid Alox for the 444 and two for the 44 Mag. Each rifle has a wax "star" after shooting so that's all I care about. I did special order a .432" Lube and Size kit from Lee with the molds.

I appreciate your concern on my thoughts of using the bullet design and I'm all for it. My intent with the first order was to try and impress Lee with the need for some Leveraction bullet mold designs using the Micro-Bands. Please also realize that Lee owns this design and anything you send them to produce. As far as the group buy is concerned, I will pass on it. Not a statement on anything other that I have a couple of molds and don't favor the 6-cavity molds for long-guns. I'm shooting this little bullet out to 300-yards with amazing accuracy so I don't mind taking the time to pour them the same.

If you have any questions, I would be more than happy to try and answer them. I've hammered a lot of critters with this bullet and I hope you guys can help show the need for a cataloged item such as this.

I do have another Leveraction bullet working... a TLC359-180-RF. Hope to see it in a month or so. As soon as I do some casting to verify the design, complete some pressure testing (Marlin only bullet), and some dead critter pictures, I will be back with the details! I'm also working on a TLC379-210-RF (375 Win) and a TLC460-425-RF for my 45-70 and 450 Marlin.

Ranch Dog
01-11-2006, 09:01 PM
http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Hunting/Thumb%20Nails/Nilgai%20Kill.jpg (http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Hunting/2005/0_004_263x350.jpg) http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Hunting/Thumb%20Nails/Michael%20444%20Goat.jpg (http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Hunting/2005/Michael444GoatB.jpg) http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Hunting/Thumb%20Nails/Yard Hog 004.jpg (http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Hunting/2005/Yard_Hog_003.jpg) http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Hunting/Thumb%20Nails/Hog111405%20005.jpg (http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Hunting/2005/33644_Hog_263x350.jpg) http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Hunting/Thumb%20Nails/Deer111605%20002.jpg (http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Hunting/2005/Deer111605_002A.jpg) http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Hunting/Thumb%20Nails/Hog112405.jpg (http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Hunting/2005/Hog112405_003b.jpg) http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Hunting/Thumb%20Nails/LaRucia.jpg (http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Hunting/2005/LaRucia09B.jpg) http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Hunting/Thumb%20Nails/Mule Deer.jpg (http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Hunting/2005/Mule_Deer_2005B.jpg)
This is what a bit of lead and a Marlin can accomplish!
It's been a busy year for the big guns!

If you are interested in this hunting bullet, you might also want to look at this...

Ranch Dog's Lee TLC432-285-RF (http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC432285RF/)

jeff223
01-12-2006, 12:51 AM
thankyou Ranch Dog for your posts and diagram of the boolit.this seems to be a proven boolit for sure.my question would be, would we dare to change the size of this boolit and make it a fat 44cal like what i wanted?also could this boolit be sized down if someone wanted to do that?

i cant figure out how to do a poll but i will keep tring??

more ideas and thoughts please

Ranch Dog
01-12-2006, 08:30 AM
Jeff...

It could be drawn up to .433 without a lot of change. I would be very careful about increasing the length. By calculation, .735" in length is about all a 1:38 barrel can handle. Over that and I believe you have more work ahead of you when you start your load work. It also depends on the individual rifle. I worried about the 265-grain weight for a long time as I wanted a 285-grain bullet but after killing probably 30 to 35 big game critters I said... "I guess it is good enough." Fellows that bought from my order have killed elk, moose, and black bear so I guess it is good enough for them.

The same with increasing the nose length. I played with a lot of lead bullets that I machined into various lengths and shapes and you have to be very careful with the nose design our you simply won't be able to chamber the cartridge. I like the simple 2.5" OAL. No worries in a hunting situation about cycling ammo. I do use a Lee Factory Crimp die and the shorter OAL does not effect accuracy.

Groove depth is .015 so sizing down takes away for that. I'm of the school that I want to shoot a bullet as cast. I size with the Lee Lube and Size Kit die and really I am just looking for a simple method of inserting the gas checks.

If the existing drawing is used, the only change I would make would be to call it what it is... it is a TLC432-265-RF.

jeff223
01-12-2006, 09:34 AM
PM sent to you Ranch Dog

Cayoot
01-12-2006, 11:50 AM
I do have another Leveraction bullet working... a TLC359-180-RF. Hope to see it in a month or so. As soon as I do some casting to verify the design, complete some pressure testing (Marlin only bullet), and some dead critter pictures, I will be back with the details! I'm also working on a TLC379-210-RF (375 Win) and a TLC460-425-RF for my 45-70 and 450 Marlin.

Man!!!! Let me know when you start these projects, I really want in on them! [smilie=p:

I'm just afraid that I won't notice them when they are started. This is income tax season...that time of year when each and every one of us C.P.A.s question our sanity!!!!

I don't get to pay much attention to anything other than work at this time of year! :violin:

jeff223
01-14-2006, 01:34 PM
make sure you guys vote on the poll above.the way it stands right now we will go with the beartooth bullet with the three crimp groves

mike in co
01-19-2006, 04:17 PM
the three groove is ahead, and has been ahead the whole time.
so
howabout...
do a 3 groove, 434 dia(max spelled out to lee with ww.... i need 432, and no need for anything else)

i'll mail 20 lbs of my mix to lee!!! its ww with a bit of dental lead.

and then when you have 25 checks in hand send them in,
and then start a second for the tl bullet....

i said it before and i'll say it again i'm out if the bullet is over 434........

Newtire
01-19-2006, 09:22 PM
the three groove is ahead, and has been ahead the whole time.
so
howabout...
do a 3 groove, 434 dia(max spelled out to lee with ww.... i need 432, and no need for anything else)

i'll mail 20 lbs of my mix to lee!!! its ww with a bit of dental lead.

and then when you have 25 checks in hand send them in,
and then start a second for the tl bullet....

i said it before and i'll say it again i'm out if the bullet is over 434........
I 2nd the motion that if the bullet is over .434, count me out. I know you don't need anymor than a .431" in my Marlin. the more you size down a bullet, the more deformed it seems to get in my experience.

Dutch4122
01-19-2006, 09:43 PM
.434" is fine with me and has been all along. I made the suggestion to spec this thing on the diagram at .435" due to our previous experiences with Lee getting it .001" to almost .002" undersize and calling it good because it is within the .003" spec that they insist on for a fudge factor.

I'm in on the 3 crimp groove design whatever as cast diameter Jeff or the group decides to shoot for on the print. If we spec it at .434" and it comes out .433" then I can pan lube and shoot them as cast. My marlin 1894ss will chamber a .435" slug so I don't want anything smaller than .433."

mike in co
01-23-2006, 09:28 PM
who's honcho'ing this deal ???

mike in co
01-24-2006, 01:39 PM
who's honcho'ing this deal ???

did this just die on the vine ????

all this discussion then nothing ???

jeff223
01-25-2006, 08:01 AM
i might as well get things going now

jeff223
02-10-2006, 03:21 PM
http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC432285RF/TLC432-285-RF%20Drawing_450x307.jpg

this one right here?
if so i will honcho the deal.let me know

308
02-10-2006, 03:56 PM
Yup, count me in.