*******Wolves don’t bother people**********

[Three44s]

Yea, tell the guy in this story that wolves are peace lovin’ critters .....!

https://www.statesmanexaminer.com/content/colville-man-shoots-wolf-escape-encounter

Three44s

[Der Gebirgsjager]

The human species is slow to learn. Wolves have been feared for hundreds of years as great killers of livestock and the occasional person. Hunted almost to extinction for those reasons, they are now back, multiplying, and not surprisingly, back to their old tricks.

DG

[rancher1913]

The human species is slow to learn. Wolves have been feared for hundreds of years as great killers of livestock and the occasional person. Hunted almost to extinction for those reasons, they are now back, multiplying, and not surprisingly, back to their old tricks.

DG

there back because of a bunch of city do gooders. we voted on this in colorado and all the areas that were to have wolfs reintroduced said no, denver and boulder said yes, so now everybody except denver and boulder get wolfs

[dangitgriff]

How much do wolf hides bring on the fur market?

[Three44s]

Rancher1913,

That’s how it is here in WA!

Seattle wants wolves but get none! Around these parts we think a tall fence around the fair city and put those government mutts in with their “fans”.

Three44s

[Finster101]

How much do wolf hides bring on the fur market?

Probably not as much as the fine for killing them.

[M-Tecs]

How much do wolf hides bring on the fur market?

Still legal in Alaska. If you want tanned pelts here is a source https://www.glacierwear.com/animal-fur-pelts-hides-skins/wolf-fur-pelts.html?

Not sure what the current price is but a buddy in Alaska was getting between $200 and $300 per pelt a while back.

[Teddy (punchie)]

I recall Grandma From Romania talking about wolves. Grandma explained or someone that I still recall, don't aim for there head swing for there body and hard. Grandma use to tell me stories of the old country. I can still hear her scolding me for asking to hear stories, they not stories they are true. She just started to teach my some words, porka is a pig is the only one I remember.

Watched a video on wild Romania, still have bears, wolves and other animals you would think in Europe they would be long gone from that area of the world.

Play with fire and sometimes you get burned.

[Three44s]

Two years ago and a County west of the recent account.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2NqCOzpK8tg

Three44s

[cwtebay]

The price has been pretty good until this year. They're $215 as of last week. But most of us have them tanned and sell them through outfits that deal in home decor for considerably more.

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[725]

I hate to say it but, Three44's video just typifies the bureaucratic bean counter mentality. Discussing the fine points of this rule or that when a life hangs in the balance. Good grief.

[Idaho45guy]

Some sad excerpts from the article:

"The incident was investigated by the county's wildlife conflict specialist..."

And people wonder why taxes are so high and the government is out of control. Do the taxpayers really need to pay the salary of someone who call themselves a Wildlife Conflict Specialist???

"Manke said the identity of the man is being kept confidential to avoid making him a potential target for retaliation from wolf advocates."

Another example of how deranged and violent the Left is becoming.

[Hamish]

A single coyote can kill a full grown whitetail buck. A wolf can take down elk and moose. People? Appetiser,,,,,

[dverna]

there back because of a bunch of city do gooders. we voted on this in colorado and all the areas that were to have wolfs reintroduced said no, denver and boulder said yes, so now everybody except denver and boulder get wolfs

Live trap them. Load trap onto truck. Drive to city park. Release.

Repeat as needed.

[dangitgriff]

Some sad excerpts from the article:

"The incident was investigated by the county's wildlife conflict specialist..."

And people wonder why taxes are so high and the government is out of control. Do the taxpayers really need to pay the salary of someone who call themselves a Wildlife Conflict Specialist???

"Manke said the identity of the man is being kept confidential to avoid making him a potential target for retaliation from wolf advocates."

Another example of how deranged and violent the Left is becoming.

If they bare their teeth can you shoot them, too?
Asking for a friend. [emoji51]

[Three44s]

Some sad excerpts from the article:

"The incident was investigated by the county's wildlife conflict specialist..."

And people wonder why taxes are so high and the government is out of control. Do the taxpayers really need to pay the salary of someone who call themselves a Wildlife Conflict Specialist???

"Manke said the identity of the man is being kept confidential to avoid making him a potential target for retaliation from wolf advocates."

Another example of how deranged and violent the Left is becoming.

Actually the County having their own specialist who answers to the Sheriff is necessary for accountability.

The WDFW is notorious for stonewalling depredation incident investigations involving Apex predators!

The Klickitat County Sheriff has taken over bear and cat complaints and in their first eight months they had eliminated over a dozen cougars in and around towns and threatening livestock. The cost to taxpayers is quite low because much is done by volunteers.

I wish my County had guts enough to stand up to WDFW!

Three44s

[brewer12345]

I do not go wandering around the woods without at least a 357 mag or a 45 ACP. Like any other predator that threatened me, a wolf dumb enough to get too close is on borrowed time.

[Three44s]

There are a lot more close encounters than the public realizes and while I have no fondness for the “government mutts” we need to differentiate between what is actionable as to use of legitamet deadly force in the eyes of the State and what is not.

Clearly the fellow in the latest story was justified in taking at least one wolf out. The lady treed by wolves two years ago was as well. The problem is she was unarmed and working for the USFS, so barred (most likely) from packin’. In between those two incidents, the Feds delisted the rest of the Northern Gray wolves and that is a game changer.

The problem arises in that wolves are curious in nature and without being hunted by humans they view us as possible prey. The way they go about making a “survey” to see if you are lunch brings them close .... too close.

They do not have a sign on them that states that they are “open for business”. The fellow was lucky that there was a credible time to act while the forensics (tracks) were made.

In the case of the treed tree hugger, those wolves actually treed her TWICE and they left once, she shimmied down the tree, walked out a ways then was run back up a tree a second time. Upon being being treed the second time is when she called for a rescue.

They had to get the OK from the second in command of WDFW before they OK’ed sending the chopper. The County 911 and the State DNR helicopter crew were just about going to go anyway when ‘ole Number two was caught going from one meeting to another (at the WDFW) and he said save the woman.

The Wildlife Dept was objecting because the helicopter was going to “scare the wolves” near a possible denning site. They wanted the rescuers to walk in!

The Sheriff told his deputies to shoot any wolf that sticks around! My kind of Sheriff!

Three44s

[pill bug]

This thread alarmed me a bit. I Mean heck, who wants to be eaten by a wolf in the Washington state wilderness?
I wondered, is this a legit worry? An internet search says no. You are far more likely to die from a bee sting, lightening strike, angry deer or just about anything other than a wolf attack.
So, how many people have been killed in Washington state by wolves? The Answer is none, ever. No person has been killed by a wolf in Washington state in recorded history.

At any given time there is between 120 and 150 active wild wolf in the entire state of Washington and the tribal lands within the state borders.
Since 2012, 31 wolfs have been eradicated by the state wildlife agency to protect cattle.

Of the 31 eradicated wolfs, 26 have been killed at the request of one single rancher that leases 80,000 acres of federal land to graze 736 pairs of cow and calves. It is alleged that the owner of the cattle does a number of questionably and unethical practices to get as many wolfs killed as possible. The state wildlife agency is said to be compliant in this practice. Wildlife groups are absolutely furious and are demanding action. Oh, and the profit for us the people for the huge poo show this rancher is causing? The federal government is getting 4 thousand bucks a year for grazing rights on those (our) 80,000 acres.

[rancher1913]

how bout we let them loose in your backyard, bet you change your tune.

its not (your) land its may be gov land but its rented fair and square and the renter has rights, dont like what the renter does than put your money were your mouth is and rent it your self. would you rent a house that came with cottonmouths and you were told that you had to let them coexist in your basement.

[10x]

Wolves should be released in the parks and green areas of major urban centers before they are release in rural areas.
The folks who love the wolf so much should learn to appreciate that wolves are predators of opportunity. And wolves, if protected by law, can adapt very quickly to urban environments, solving many urban problems like feral pets and giving the homeless incentive to find homes.

[GhostHawk]

Wolves are so smart, they know to never attack a pair or more of humans. Only singles, only out of sight/tracking of any other humans.

So the easy answer is don't go alone into wolf country!

Much less unarmed.

They know what a gun is and the difference between a shotgun and a scoped rifle. And their effective ranges. Same as a crow that has been shot at does.

I lived for 2 years in Warroad Mn right up on the Canadian Border. I've heard the wild wolves howl in the middle of the night.
It will freak ya out let me tell ya. Make the hair stand right up on the back of your neck.

Your choice, you can live with them, with some caution. Or you can SSS them, your call.

Just hope your never a hundred miles from anywhere with no gun, no ammo, no fire.
They will see you as a weak member of the herd to be culled. And they hide the evidence so well that science has zero documented wolf attacks in modern history.

But if you talk to the people who live close to the land, they know.

[MrWolf]

This thread alarmed me a bit. I Mean heck, who wants to be eaten by a wolf in the Washington state wilderness?
I wondered, is this a legit worry? A quick internet search says no. You are far more likely to die from a bee sting, lightening strike, angry deer or just about anything other than a wolf attack.
So, how many people have been killed in Washington state by wolves? The Answer is none, ever. No person has been killed by a wolf in Washington state in recorded history.

At any given time there is between 120 and 150 active wild wolf in the entire state of Washington and the tribal lands within the state borders.
Since 2012, 31 wolfs have been eradicated by the state wildlife agency to protect cattle.

Of the 31 eradicated wolfs, 26 have been killed at the request of one single rancher that leases 80,000 acres of federal land to graze 736 pairs of cow and calves. It is alleged that the owner of the cattle does a number of questionably and unethical practices to get as many wolfs killed as possible. The state wildlife agency is said to be compliant in this practice. Wildlife groups are absolutely furious and are demanding action. Oh, and the profit for us the people this rancher is causing? The federal government is getting 4 thousand bucks a year for grazing rights on those (our) 80,000 acres.

Legit worry? If the past year has taught us anything is not to trust the media or government for information. Their agendas Trump our well-being (yea Trump on purpose).

[dangitgriff]

Anyone see that movie, ‘The Grey’, with Liam Neeson?
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201226/eef6492fb8dc6db48b301b69e46a73bd.jpg

[pill bug]

Unfortunately the current perception (not here at castboolits) but the country on the whole is that the wolf is more bark (or whatever sound they make) and less bite. That being said, a rancher who declares war on wolfs is a liability that we would be better off avoiding.
As hunters and shooters we have to pick our fights in an increasingly hostile political environment. A fight against wolfs is not winnable and an attempt will only cast us in an unfavorable light.
The better strategy is to let the wolf stand on its own merits. if it assimilates, great. if it doesn't and eats kids, then let the libs deal with it and they can be the bad guys.

[scattershot]

there back because of a bunch of city do gooders. we voted on this in colorado and all the areas that were to have wolfs reintroduced said no, denver and boulder said yes, so now everybody except denver and boulder get wolfs

I live in Colorado, too, and always wondered why folks in non affected areas even get to vote on stuff like this. Wolves were eradicated for a reason, it took a long time to get rid of them, and I see no reason at all to bring them back.

[contender1]

I look at the wolf issue kinda like gun control.

The wolf lovers wanted to re-introduce wolfs in several places,, to restore the balance. The provisions were to target a specific number of wolfs as the sustainable population.
Anti-gunners all say they just want to ban the evil assault types of guns.

Once they got their wish of re-introduction,, then they failed to maintain the targeted number of wolves. They let it increase, without any REAL methods of controls to prevent exceeding the targeted number for sustainable populations.
Anti-gunners push for more restrictions beyond the assault ban once they feel they have enough political support. They claim it's for the good of all, and again,, they CLAIM it's not going to affect "deer hunting rifles."

Wolves exceed the carrying capacity of the lands they are re-introduced in,, so they expand their territory.
Anti-gunners want to go after other types of guns,, including many handguns, once they get assault gun bans.

Wolves cause damage & harm to livestock, and kill off a larger portion of wildlife, to where hunting gets even more restrictive.
Anti-gunners scream for more controls at every large scale shooting,,, blaming the guns, not the criminals.

If you have read this far,, you are already thinking what we know,, that the eco-freaks who push for more wolves, & more protections for them,, are almost always the same people who push for gun control. It's not about what is right,, it's about control & freedoms. They THINK they know what's best,, and look at the world with a rose colored glass vision,, thinking everyone will be living in utopia,, if we just do as they say.
Wolves and criminals are predators. BOTH need controls.
Sadly,, reality never seems to hit people until it's a direct hit. And even then,, many make excuses for the actions of either species.

I'm not for the total eradication of wolves,, and I also feel that some criminals can be rehabilitated. But in BOTH species,, the percentages are small.

Wildlife,, such as grizzlies, cougars, wolves, all need a lot of space to live. And when the space is also occupied with humans or their property, (livestock, Fido or Fluffy etc,) these predators can & will take targets of opportunity. It's how they survive. Humans can also be prey,, when the fear of humans is removed from their perspective.
The biggest difference between a criminal and a wolf when they attack a human,, is a government official will hunt & kill a wolf. But a criminal will get off, or maybe live off the backs of taxpayers. And for the comparison,, a wolf will get the blame for it's actions,, while a gun gets the blame for the actions of a criminal.

[dangitgriff]

Sarcasm alert!
I don’t care if they were here first...
Wolves, buffaloes and Native Americans...kill ‘em all!
It’s our Manifest Destiny! Divine Provenance!
What could go wrong, anyway? We’re wasting time considering adverse effects to the natural order.
•••
We have collectively upset the balance of nature in our part of North America since settling & founding this nation. It’ll never be restored to its original state, but we have to find the best balance between our population growth needs and Ma Nature. If we don’t address it now we’ll surely suffer for it later. Even the pockets of wilderness set aside for native flora & fauna are increasingly coming under pressure from development all the way up to their borders.
I wonder how much longer we can enjoy free country living without cities dictating how they think we ought to live.

[Three44s]

This thread alarmed me a bit. I Mean heck, who wants to be eaten by a wolf in the Washington state wilderness?
I wondered, is this a legit worry? A quick internet search says no. You are far more likely to die from a bee sting, lightening strike, angry deer or just about anything other than a wolf attack.
So, how many people have been killed in Washington state by wolves? The Answer is none, ever. No person has been killed by a wolf in Washington state in recorded history.

At any given time there is between 120 and 150 active wild wolf in the entire state of Washington and the tribal lands within the state borders.
Since 2012, 31 wolfs have been eradicated by the state wildlife agency to protect cattle.

Of the 31 eradicated wolfs, 26 have been killed at the request of one single rancher that leases 80,000 acres of federal land to graze 736 pairs of cow and calves. It is alleged that the owner of the cattle does a number of questionably and unethical practices to get as many wolfs killed as possible. The state wildlife agency is said to be compliant in this practice. Wildlife groups are absolutely furious and are demanding action. Oh, and the profit for us the people this rancher is causing? The federal government is getting 4 thousand bucks a year for grazing rights on those (our) 80,000 acres.

By the time you wake up and realize these wolves are not the native wolf here for time immortal and that hunters opportunities are being pulled out from under you, it might be too late!

The ranching family you repeated the bad vibes written on the internet are actually mighty fine folks! I met a couple of them when I was testifying in Olympia Wa on the subject in front of a State Senate hearing.

You can swallow what you will from the enviros ..... that’s who claim the family is not living up to their commitments.

The fact is that family is really struggling and adhering to the non-lethal protocol. If they were not living up to standards on stewardship, the WDFW would weasel out of killing the offending wolves.

Let me repeat! WDFW only kills wolves under stringent pre-conditions which include the cooperator (rancher) adhere to using all the non-lethal measures!

So take the brainwashing and do with it as you please but you have been fed lies!

I will post the latest in the current page!

Three44s

[Der Gebirgsjager]

Whoa...! Better not go downstairs..... (cottonmouths in the basement)

DG

[rbuck351]

I doubt many people would like to have their kids eaten by wolves just to make the libs look bad. Anyone here good with that?
Oh, and look up the wolf vs people killed in AK. There are actually a few people that have been killed by wolves. Because of the fake news media, you may not be able to find a lot of info but it has happened.

[brewer12345]

Sarcasm alert!
I don’t care if they were here first...
Wolves, buffaloes and Native Americans...kill ‘em all!
It’s our Manifest Destiny! Divine Provenance!
What could go wrong, anyway? We’re wasting time considering adverse effects to the natural order.
•••
We have collectively upset the balance of nature in our part of North America since settling & founding this nation. It’ll never be restored to its original state, but we have to find the best balance between our population growth needs and Ma Nature. If we don’t address it now we’ll surely suffer for it later. Even the pockets of wilderness set aside for native flora & fauna are increasingly coming under pressure from development all the way up to their borders.
I wonder how much longer we can enjoy free country living without cities dictating how they think we ought to live.


I don't necessarily have a problem with wolves running around the woods as part of the ecosystem. The way this was done in Colorado is a recipe for disaster, though. The idiot city voters overwhelmingly voted to put the wolves in places where the locals voted overwhelmingly not to have wolves (and this was done against the objection of the state wildlife department). At best, this will turn into a S-S-S free for all. If you really want wolves reintroduced, you better get consensus or at least acquiescence of the people who will be in the area. I can tell you without a doubt that the majority of elk hunters I know consider a wolf a shoot on sight animal. No doubt the vast majority of ranchers feel the same.

Kind of sad, really, the wolves didn't get a say on being relocated to hostile territory.

[scattershot]

Wolves should be released in the parks and green areas of major urban centers before they are release in rural areas.


May I suggest Chatauqua Park in Boulder, Colorado, for the first release?

[Dapaki]

Timber wolves and Coyotes are a natural part of my area, I hear both from time to time when working my land but I always watch for the decoy and shoot it dead as soon as I can solve the range. I have seen it happen to deer, the decoy stays in sight while the pack flanks them then spooks the deer and drives them to the pack. On soft ground, the pack eats every time.

[ReloaderFred]

https://kobi5.com/news/oregon-hunter-shoots-wolf-killed-self-defense-64135/

[Hamish]

May I suggest Chatauqua Park in Boulder, Colorado, for the first release?

If even a few guys on here knew just how freaking hilarious this suggestion is,,,,,,,,,,

[Hamish]

Timber wolves and Coyotes are a natural part of my area, I hear both from time to time when working my land but I always watch for the decoy and shoot it dead as soon as I can solve the range. I have seen it happen to deer, the decoy stays in sight while the pack flanks them then spooks the deer and drives them to the pack. On soft ground, the pack eats every time.


This is the most real world thing i’ve seen in this thread.

I’ve got family in Colorado that traditionally made part of their living putting up and guiding elk hunters. The herds have been decimated by the Canadian wolf introductions.

[Red River Rick]

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[Iowa Fox]

Live trap them. Load trap onto truck. Drive to city park. Release.

Repeat as needed.

You got it Don. Same with raccoons, squirrels, chipmunks

[pill bug]

To be honest guys, i know absolutely nothing about wolfs. All my info was grabbed from the internet just moments before my first post on the thread.

As I pondered my poor choice of words in the
"eat Kids" post, My memory was jarred by my only experience with a "pet" wolf hybrid in a tiny High Sierra library a quarter of a century ago.

As I remember it, the librarian was asking the lady owner of the wolf in every polite way possible to remove the animal from the building, and was told the no leash, collarless animal was a harmless pet and it was "ok" for it to be in the building and around people. As they argued, i noticed the most bizarre thing. Never once, for even a fraction of a second did that wolf dog take his eyes off my tot son Stuart, who i had snatched up upon arrival of lady and wolf.

No matter how far we backed off, that "dog"(it looked nothing like a dog) was laser beam focused on my kid. At no time was it even slightly friendly. When the lady finally caught the vibe of every person in the building (complete tension) she somehow managed to manhandle her uncooperative pet out of the building in the same way one would remove an angry cat from a bowl of food, but on a colossal scale with wolf dogs eyes glaring at my kid even as he was hauled out of the door.

A disconcerting experience to say the least. I swear it was almost as big as the full size Direwolf models they had at the La Brea tar pits in Los Angeles. Jeez, i thought pit bulls were scary. not anymore, wolf dog is at a whole different level of scary.

[Hickok]

I do not go wandering around the woods without at least a 357 mag or a 45 ACP. Like any other predator that threatened me, a wolf dumb enough to get too close is on borrowed time.I say what you say!!!

Best way to handle this situation, "Don't ask, Don't tell."[smilie=1:

[cwtebay]

This is definitely a polarizing topic. I enjoy listening to both sides and trying to understand the vehemently held beliefs of each.
Prior to any sort of ability to kill wolves without getting government involved, a large ranching family west of me had not only large numbers of deaths, but the weight loss of the grass cattle was incredible after several released packs took up residency (on a very large tract of their private land). All of this family's holdings were in a public hunting access program up until that point. The family patriarch discontinued his relationship with the FWP and disallowed public hunting on his place, then took out a full page ad in local papers explaining why he did that. Many, many ranchers (my own family included) followed suit. The beauty of this plan is that it turned armies of elk / deer / moose / bear hunters into wolf hunters. The FWP quickly changed its stance and initiated a hunting and trapping season.
The wolves are not going away, but they do need to be managed.
Grass roots movements like that are the only way to make any sort of changes in these issues.

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[FLINTNFIRE]

Had a neighbor who bragged his dog was more then half wolf , size of it and how high it could stand when it got at a buck hanging in my barn and eating off it I believe he was right more then half wolf , number 3 and number 4 leg hold taps and set to a old ropemaster high lead block kept him there the 3rd night , fed him back to his smaller cousins . They do not bother you much if the old ways are applied correctly .

[cwtebay]

Had a neighbor who bragged his dog was more then half wolf , size of it and how high it could stand when it got at a buck hanging in my barn and eating off it I believe he was right more then half wolf , number 3 and number 4 leg hold taps and set to a old ropemaster high lead block kept him there the 3rd night , fed him back to his smaller cousins . They do not bother you much if the old ways are applied correctly .Did you feed the hybrid to dogs?? If so, that's the most epic way I've ever heard of to solve that issue!

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[ShooterAZ]

They re-established the Mexican Gray Wolves in eastern Arizona around 1989. They said they can't go outside of specific areas, (yeah right).

"Distribution of wolves is limited by the 1998 10(j) Rule, which does not allow wolves to establish territories outside of the Apache-Sitgreaves National Forest, the Gila National Forest and the Fort Apache Indian Reservation. Currently, wolves that leave the recovery area must be trapped and placed into captivity or re-released back into the recovery area."

Anyway Wolves being Wolves, they took it upon themselves to ignore their so-called man made boundaries. They have been spotted near the Flagstaff area, and one was even captured at the North Rim of the Grand Canyon. A buddy had one come to a Coyote call just south of the Grand Canyon.

Moral of the story is that they will adapt, get loose of their "collars", and just like Coyotes they will expand their range.

"Wolves are adaptable. They don’t require habitat management or manipulation to succeed. Rather, their interactions with civilization make reintroduction success a challenge. Agencies work together tirelessly to manage interactions among wolves, livestock, and people, and have specific standard operating procedures in place to guide them".

[dangitgriff]

Sounds like a LOT of wasted taxpayer dollars to me.

[FLINTNFIRE]

It went out for the coyotes , figured they could use it .

[rockrat]

I would say release them just West of Boulder, let them get established then move into the greater Boulder area. Don't forget to release a batch right by the capitol building, in Denver. Maybe a few on Lookout Mtn. too!!

See what kind of headlines the Denver Post has then!!!

[Three44s]

Sounds like a LOT of wasted taxpayer dollars to me.

Wasting dollars? Naw, just job security for a bunch of folks with wildlife management degrees and a shortage of work for them without a wolfarama program!!

Three44s

[Mk42gunner]

I live in Colorado, too, and always wondered why folks in non affected areas even get to vote on stuff like this. Wolves were eradicated for a reason, it took a long time to get rid of them, and I see no reason at all to bring them back.

I don't live in Colorado, but other than that, I agree with everything scattershot said in his post.

Robert

[cwtebay]

In a way, it's sad for the remainder of the true native wolves. When the Canadian version was released they basically took over any remaining pockets of wild wolves. It's very disconcerting to me that the EIA for the Greater Yellowstone Area in the early 90's didn't even give a nod to that thought. They are extremely efficient predators and the elk behaviour in the areas where larger packs are located has become odd to say the least. Moose calf survivability is at an all-time low in those areas as well.

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[Three44s]

The current Governor for WA, Inslie, instituted a citizen’s work group for wolf management around eight years ago at the start of his first term.

It was a long hard slog but eventually the environmentalists, the sportsmen, the Ag groups and the agencies came up with a working plan. Along the way, the WDFW contracted with a woman for the sum of $850,020.00 to “facilitate” the process. She did her bank account proud as she was paid $200 per hour traveling time plus expenses and $400 per hour when in an actual meeting.

I got wind of it and a State Senator was good enough to meet with our local County Farm Bureau Board about then. I brought up the topic of the “$850,020.00 woman” and I thought the good Senator was going to flip out on us! He was steamed! You see WFDW raided their capital budget to hire her ..... Oh was he HOT!

Our very next board meeting this woman is busting her chops to sit with us and explain stuff!

All my cattle people save for myself and one other cattleman were so mad that they boycotted that board meeting. Our President (then) turned me loose to bring out the fraud. The local Sunnyside paper was there and the editor did a bang up story!

I can sum her expertise in a single word: Mollycoddler!

The work group finally came up with a plan. The enviros realize they can not control the ranchers without “buy in”. If the ranchers are just thrown under the bus then the wolves will end up dead tied under east bound long haul trucks.

So the plan consisted of a lethal removal element whereby the WDFW would after a complex twisted set of rules were followed kill some offending wolves so long as the rancher was also diligently following the non-lethal protocols.

NOW: The WDFW drank the koolaid and believed that wolves are not very interested in livestock. This was propaganda drummed out by the enviros. The Department agreed to the ranchers steadfast demand that offending wolves must be removed because they were in my estimation hood winked.

As the elk and deer have gotten hard to find, the wolves have keyed in on the livestock. The ranchers are doing everything that they are tasked with.

Gov. Inslie is getting push back to break his promise and do away with his very own commission’s recommendations.

He now expects the RANCHERS to invent whole cloth brand new non-lethal measures and implement them! Killing wolves is going to be halted or severely restrict the practice.

Now these wildlife folks are supposed to be the experts. How can the ranchers be expected to be more savvy that so called trained professionals? Ranchers come in with working non-lethal deterents when all the so called experts can’t?

It’s all a set up to break the ranchers. Forced failure!

Three44s

[gbrown]

Yeah, we have coyotes around here, no wolves. 1st cousin to the wolf. The coyotes make intrusions into the neighborhood from time to time. Kill the pets for supper. A large suburban area of a 130,000 size city. They have learned to navigate the drainage ditches to get in. Incredibly smart, ingenious animal. They adapt to all situations. My gun club is just south of the city dump. If you are out there at dusk, you hear them light up. Sounds like 2 or 3 packs out there. Quite a songfest. I hunted 60 miles north of here on land with no close neighbors. Found round paw prints with no claw marks as big as a piece of bread. I know what kind of animal leaves those. Never go into the woods without firepower. Last recorded kill of cougar was about 40 years ago a couple of counties east and north of me. I know they are there. I saw something when I was 19 that had eyes about 4 inches apart. No noise, no movement seen. It was there one moment, then it was gone. In the clearing between us was a rabbit, frozen still, staring in that direction. I remember a high school student, a cross-country runner, training in the foothills above Idaho City. Killed by a cougar. I've read National Geographic articles about cougars roaming from Idaho to Los Angelos, and the Everglades to Atlanta.(tracked by collar) The one in Los Angelos stayed a month or so, living in a wooded area near a freeway and would roam neighborhoods at late night, apparently looking for an easy meal, aka pets. Once wolves get near incorporated areas, they will adapt as their cousin the coyote has. Pity the late night runner or the couple taking a late night walk.

[.429&H110]

What a great thread!
Shows the range of people thinking about what are we going to do, since we aren't hunting wolves anymore. I was 14 years in North Pole Alaska, mowed the lawn on the edge of Chena Lake Park. Never did see a wolf, but a pack of wolf prints came in the new snow, single file, right between our houses. Neighbor got them on a game camera. They came through about once a week, about 3AM, hunting ptarmigan rabbits squirrels cats and dogs. If I waited, they knew it, I never saw them. About 6:30 small children were out in the dark at the bus stop...
Wolves knew better, than to see mothers with rifles.
I said to my neighbor "I might be shooting at your house".
He replied, "Do you think I won't be shooting at yours?".
That neighborhood has armed housewives. Burglars? Watch the crossfire.
Ten years ago woof pelt were $100 or more, less $10 a hole.
In my old age, I can't sit out under the Spirit River anymore.

[Idaho45guy]

On another site, specific to firearms issues in the Northwest, there was a guy who posted about a supposed cougar attack on the West side of Washington state within the past couple of years. IIRC, it was a female out hiking alone and unarmed.

Well, the poster had a good friend that worked for the sheriff's office or WDFW, that was on scene to the gruesome site and had seen cougar attacks and bear attacks before. He reportedly said that this was no cougar or bear attack and was obviously a wolf or dog attack. I guess a WDFW expert on scene also confirmed that it wasn't a cougar or bear attack and said it was a wolf or large dog. Based on the location and remoteness of the location, it was logical to assume it was a wolf. Apparently tracks at the scene confirmed it was a wolf, or multiple wolves.

However, the WDFW ruled it as a cougar attack. Purely political move, as having a confirmed wolf fatality would hinder the leftist agenda.

When I bought my house in a tiny town in Eastern Washington a few years ago, a neighbor came over and said that she had seen a wolf walking through my yard and then down the street at 3 am one time. A year later, my daughter and her husband were visiting and on the drive out of my town, saw a large black wolf up on the forested ridge running along the tree line in the middle of the day.

My father, who lives 12 miles away out in the country, had one show up in the field up behind his house. It's still there...

Another friend who lives way up in the woods about 10 miles away shot and killed a wolf-coyote hybrid going after her goats. I saw the picture and it was huge. Idaho Fish & Game showed up and confirmed it was a hybrid, but said his department would never officially admit it or recognize it's existence.

I've seen wolves twice in the wild, and only in the last ten years. I've seen cougars twice, as well, in 40 years of being in the woods. And there are a heck of a lot more cougars than wolves in the woods.

My brother came upon a wolf caught in a leg trap a few years ago and said it was like a big nervous dog. Wagging it's tail when he appeared, and whining. He said he felt sorry for it and wanted to end it's misery, but knew better to let the trapper do his job. He heard later that someone else came along and killed the wolf and stole it. Hides were getting around $400 then.

I've been camping alone and had wolves come down and lurk in the trees and watch. Never saw them, but when going out in the woods about 50 yards from camp, found their scat. It's a creepy feeling.

[Three44s]

In a way, it's sad for the remainder of the true native wolves. When the Canadian version was released they basically took over any remaining pockets of wild wolves. It's very disconcerting to me that the EIA for the Greater Yellowstone Area in the early 90's didn't even give a nod to that thought. They are extremely efficient predators and the elk behaviour in the areas where larger packs are located has become odd to say the least. Moose calf survivability is at an all-time low in those areas as well.

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Actually there is quite a story about that!

The wolf we are all talking about is not native! Really!

The US Fish & Wildlife Service imported in wolves from Canada and Alaska, crossed them and released them.

There was a population of some seventy individuals of the true native Yellowstone wolf left and an elderly couple were studying them. In spite of their objections, the US government under Bill Clinton released the non-native wolves under a special category called a “nonessential experimental population”.

The Wyoming State Farm Bureau sued the Federal Government on the basis that it is illegal release a species that threatens another one that is listed as endangered. The couple studying the true native wolves also joined in the legal action.

The Federal District Judge ruled that the Government needed to REMOVE the larger more northern wolves to stop harming the true native species but on second thought believed it such a drastic injunction that he suspended his own order pending appeal. The 10 th Circuit heard the case and though there was alarm over the government actions the panel of judges gave the agency a pass since the bureaucrats were found to be “experts in their own field”.

https://www.animallaw.info/case/wyoming-farm-burearu-v-babbitt



Three44s

[cwtebay]

Actually there is quite a story about that!

The wolf we are all talking about is not native! Really!

The US Fish & Wildlife Service imported in wolves from Canada and Alaska, crossed them and released them.

There was a population of some seventy individuals of the true native Yellowstone wolf left and an elderly couple were studying them. In spite of their objections, the US government under Bill Clinton released the non-native wolves under a special category called a “nonessential experimental population”.

The Wyoming State Farm Bureau sued the Federal Government on the basis that it is illegal release a species that threatens another one that is listed as endangered. The couple studying the true native wolves also joined in the legal action.

The Federal District Judge ruled that the Government needed to REMOVE the larger more northern wolves to stop harming the true native species but on second thought believed it such a drastic injunction that he suspended his own order pending appeal. The 10 th Circuit heard the case and though there was alarm over the government actions the panel of judges gave the agency a pass since the bureaucrats were found to be “experts in their own field”.

https://www.animallaw.info/case/wyoming-farm-burearu-v-babbitt



Three44sYou're right! I remember this well and also recall hearing Bruce B's response at a town hall meeting shortly after initiation of this lawsuit. Basically, the powers that be released sharks into the pond and called them trout.

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[dangitgriff]

It’s all good, they’re from the government and are here to help you.
When will we ever learn?

[Teddy (punchie)]

There are ways to take care of the problem. Think and learn there are ways to get them gone. Old ways not the best but do work. They have to eat. Now what is the question.

[725]

Waiting for permission from # 2 to "save the woman"? Really? Thinking an acceptable level of mortal danger is OK because nobody has been eaten alive yet? Really? I repeat my disbelief - good grief!

[Boaz]

It's like California (and others) perfectly willing to offer up a few cyclists and joggers on it's bike trails to cougars every year . No big deal I guess ? Got to have plenty of cougars !

[Finster101]

I do not go wandering around the woods without at least a 357 mag or a 45 ACP. Like any other predator that threatened me, a wolf dumb enough to get too close is on borrowed time.

I think there are a bunch of us that pretty much don't go out of the house without doing that.

[10x]

On another site, specific to firearms issues in the Northwest, there was a guy who posted about a supposed cougar attack on the West side of Washington state within the past couple of years. IIRC, it was a female out hiking alone and unarmed.

Well, the poster had a good friend that worked for the sheriff's office or WDFW, that was on scene to the gruesome site and had seen cougar attacks and bear attacks before. He reportedly said that this was no cougar or bear attack and was obviously a wolf or dog attack. I guess a WDFW expert on scene also confirmed that it wasn't a cougar or bear attack and said it was a wolf or large dog. Based on the location and remoteness of the location, it was logical to assume it was a wolf. Apparently tracks at the scene confirmed it was a wolf, or multiple wolves.

However, the WDFW ruled it as a cougar attack. Purely political move, as having a confirmed wolf fatality would hinder the leftist agenda.

When I bought my house in a tiny town in Eastern Washington a few years ago, a neighbor came over and said that she had seen a wolf walking through my yard and then down the street at 3 am one time. A year later, my daughter and her husband were visiting and on the drive out of my town, saw a large black wolf up on the forested ridge running along the tree line in the middle of the day.

My father, who lives 12 miles away out in the country, had one show up in the field up behind his house. It's still there...

Another friend who lives way up in the woods about 10 miles away shot and killed a wolf-coyote hybrid going after her goats. I saw the picture and it was huge. Idaho Fish & Game showed up and confirmed it was a hybrid, but said his department would never officially admit it or recognize it's existence.

I've seen wolves twice in the wild, and only in the last ten years. I've seen cougars twice, as well, in 40 years of being in the woods. And there are a heck of a lot more cougars than wolves in the woods.

My brother came upon a wolf caught in a leg trap a few years ago and said it was like a big nervous dog. Wagging it's tail when he appeared, and whining. He said he felt sorry for it and wanted to end it's misery, but knew better to let the trapper do his job. He heard later that someone else came along and killed the wolf and stole it. Hides were getting around $400 then.

I've been camping alone and had wolves come down and lurk in the trees and watch. Never saw them, but when going out in the woods about 50 yards from camp, found their scat. It's a creepy feeling.

In the early 1970s we had a number of black bear attacks, injuries, and fatalities in Alberta that never made the news. They kettled the stories and no information was released "Pending investigation". At that time few black bears had ever encountered a human on foot and had no concept of avoidance With the advent of quads and side by sides, most wildlife has seldom seen a human on foot, and that includes bears and wolves.
All predators who have never had contact with a human will be curious about where humans stand on the food chain.
Pepper spray is nice, but a 12 gauge with triple aught buck beats pepper spray.
When a predator decides you are part of their food chain you want the most positive outcome ever. A gun is a step up from a spray...
I have lived in bear country for over 60 years and have numerous encounters, most with a positive outcome for me and the bear. Cute but I do not trust them, nor do I trust the spray defense people who force encounters to 'test' their spray defense system. A forced encounter is not an encounter with a predator who has decided you are a meal.

[GhostHawk]

Timber wolves and Coyotes are a natural part of my area, I hear both from time to time when working my land but I always watch for the decoy and shoot it dead as soon as I can solve the range. I have seen it happen to deer, the decoy stays in sight while the pack flanks them then spooks the deer and drives them to the pack. On soft ground, the pack eats every time.

Friend of mine with a plane was up fishing walleyes on Lake of the woods, up in the islands.

He came across a big wolf pack track. From the air it was plain as day before they got close to the island a pair of wolves would split off the pack, left and right. Staying well away from the island they would work their way into an ambush position. Then hunker down in the snow out of sight. The pack would have one set of flankers on each side that stayed out in the open. They would be a bit ahead of the rest of the pack. Anything trying to break out sideways would run into them.

The rest of the pack would go through the woods of the island. Driving any animals of any size in front of them.

They would do this until they found deer, killed, ate. And the next day they would do it again.

From the air all this was all laid out plain as day.

A good sized pack is a killing machine. Each has its job, they know what it is and how to do it.

Inevitably the big red spot on the snow would be just past the far end of the island.

I've heard it said/read that a Cougar will eat 1-2 deer per week depending on weather, cubs, etc.
A wolf pack will eat a 200 lb deer every day all winter long if they can.

[Dapaki]

Friend of mine with a plane was up fishing walleyes on Lake of the woods, up in the islands.

He came across a big wolf pack track. From the air it was plain as day before they got close to the island a pair of wolves would split off the pack, left and right. Staying well away from the island they would work their way into an ambush position. Then hunker down in the snow out of sight. The pack would have one set of flankers on each side that stayed out in the open. They would be a bit ahead of the rest of the pack. Anything trying to break out sideways would run into them.

The rest of the pack would go through the woods of the island. Driving any animals of any size in front of them.

They would do this until they found deer, killed, ate. And the next day they would do it again.

From the air all this was all laid out plain as day.

A good sized pack is a killing machine. Each has its job, they know what it is and how to do it.

Inevitably the big red spot on the snow would be just past the far end of the island.

I've heard it said/read that a Cougar will eat 1-2 deer per week depending on weather, cubs, etc.
A wolf pack will eat a 200 lb deer every day all winter long if they can.

My same experiences in the same general location. It was moose they hunted back then though, when the Timber Wolf was considered endangered.

[Three44s]

There were two objectives in bringing the crossed wolves out of the north to the lower 48:

The first was to run livestock out off of public lands.

The second was to run hunters off by decimating game herds to the point that wolves were THE apex predator.

In the lifetimes of the bureaucrats in charge they knew they would never get there with the native Yellowstone wolves so way before Clinton/Gore/Babbit strode into the picture, I think it was about 1967, there were individual agency staff trying to do a quiet insertion of those souped up wolves but it never caught hold. When Bruce Babbit gained the reins of power, it was full throttle ahead!

At the release ceremony, a guy high up in the food chain at USF&WS announced that “this release will drive XXXXXX number of livestock operations OFF of public lands!”

NOW, did I hear somebody complain about wildfires lately? Hmmmmmm?

Three44s

[brewer12345]

I think there are a bunch of us that pretty much don't go out of the house without doing that.

I don't generally feel the need for more than a snub 38 rolling around the milquetoast burb where I live.

[waksupi]

There were two objectives in bringing the crossed wolves out of the north to the lower 48:

The first was to run livestock out off of public lands.

The second was to run hunters off by decimating game herds to the point that wolves were THE apex predator.

In the lifetimes of the bureaucrats in charge they knew they would never get there with the native Yellowstone wolves so way before Clinton/Gore/Babbit strode into the picture, I think it was about 1967, there were individual agency staff trying to do a quiet insertion of those souped up wolves but it never caught hold. When Bruce Babbit gained the reins of power, it was full throttle ahead!

At the release ceremony, a guy high up in the food chain at USF&WS announced that “this release will drive XXXXXX number of livestock operations OFF of public lands!”

NOW, did I hear somebody complain about wildfires lately? Hmmmmmm?

Three44s

True story. We should have shot all of them in the cages when they landed them at Missoula.

When wolves were being removed from the lower 48, the last ones were in Yellowstone. The trappers went in to locate the dens, and killed all the pups.

[nelsonted1]

I live in southern Minnesota. An old woman in our church called the game.warden about a mountain lion eating put of the dog bowl. (The dog began to stay in the house.). The game warden came around and was not supportive at all "there's no mountain lions around here". The, when she offered to shoot it with her 12 gauge he told her " You better not!". She said which is it- no mountain lions around here or I better not shoot it? He did a lot of talking then left.
Dad told me about it 20 years ago and have no idea what came of it. Dad loved the way she stood up for herself.

[nelsonted1]

My sister heard of a neighbor who had a chained up MT lion in his junk car -he must have had 50 of them. She being a genius.teenager went looking for the cat. She and her friend were creeping around when the cat pounced, knocking her down and licked her face. She would have easy lunch if the cat was wild

[nelsonted1]

My daughter lives in boulder co and sees mountain lions in town eating out of dumpsters. She and her boyfriend are avid hikers and mountain climbers. They have two very big Anatolian Shepherds that always hike.with them but they are both hyper aware of the ways they could get on trouble.

[Three44s]

A dumpster can be used as a temporary refuge from a mountain lion!

Had a neighbor do that one night. He went out with the garbage .... turne to go back in the house probably 50 to 100 feet away only to have a cougar siting down 20 feet away watching him.

The teenager climbed into the dumpster and closed the lid!

When the coast was clear, he got out and went in the house!

Three44s

[cwtebay]

The "dog is my protection" thing makes me laugh every single time I hear it!! I've seen whole PACKS of lion and bear hounds wiped out from wolves - Pyrenees, Kuvasz, Anitolian shepards, cow dogs, pit bulls....they don't have a heathen's prayer against a couple of their wild ancestors. That's become a relatively new thing in this neck of the woods - don't turn out on a fresh lion track with wolf tracks in the area. I could tell you stories and show you pictures, but needless to say; ain't no domestic dog that has a fighting chance against something that doesn't get its meals from a kibble bag.

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[megasupermagnum]

There seems to be two parts to this issue, and neither really have much to do with the wolves themselves. The first is which has more rights, the farmer or the wildlife? The other issue is who gets to decide?

I'd like to start by saying I like wolves. I have no problem with them. If I didn't and I wanted to be have livestock, I would not recommend doing it in northern MN or WI. I've lived in areas that wolves lived, and they never bothered me. I'd see them sometimes early in the morning. They don't howl as often as coyote, but wolves howl louder. I currently live south of their range. I consider wolves about as dangerous as deer. Probably not an issue, but I'm not about to push my luck. I don't own any land, but if I did, I would not mind them at all. I do think there should be a hunting season again. Keep the population where it is at, and be able to take out the problem animals. Wanting to make an animal extinct for our own gain is not a thought line I can understand.

The other issue is who gets to decide? This is where I draw a hard line. If you don't own/rent property where these animals are bound to end up, then you have NO BUISNESS at all in deciding. In MN, nobody who lives south of about highway 210 should have any swing on the issue. About 10 years ago I witnessed this first hand with a lake not far from where I grew up was slated to be drained. This was pelican lake near Buffalo, MN. I went with my dad and his friend (land owner across the road from Pelican lake) to a local meeting on the issue. Ducks Unlimited was dumping millions of dollars to turn it into prime waterfowl habitat. Admittedly this state is hurting badly for good waterfowl habitat, but I don't think this was a good answer. It is still open to hunting, and is very popular. The other problem is there are not a lot of lakes in the southern half of the state with big northern pike. Pelican lake was THE lake for big pike until you got way up north. Even Millelacs was not as good. It was nothing to pull in a 10+ pound pike out there every weekend. Every other lake in a 1 hour radius, a 5 pound pike is rare, a 10 pounder is a trophy.

Anyway, we went to this meeting, and I don't think even half the people there were from anywhere close by. I distinctly remember one guy from Brookings, SD that was mouthing off to the locals. Why he was out this way, I have no clue. At one point he started arguing with a local guy, and said "Just fish one of the other 10,000 lakes". I thought the guy was about to throw him through the window. Instead the local spit on his shoes, walked out the door, and never came back. The project was ultimately squeaked through with a few lies from the DNR, a lucky hard winter that killed most of the fish, and large funding from DU.

I haven't fished the lake since, I've heard some of the pike are coming back. I have yet to find a lake as easy to fish as that was, although I've got some nice ones up around Virginia, MN. I never will understand the mentality of some people to butt in on issues that do not even pertain to themselves.

[dangitgriff]

The "dog is my protection" thing makes me laugh every single time I hear it!! I've seen whole PACKS of lion and bear hounds wiped out from wolves - Pyrenees, Kuvasz, Anitolian shepards, cow dogs, pit bulls....they don't have a heathen's prayer against a couple of their wild ancestors. That's become a relatively new thing in this neck of the woods - don't turn out on a fresh lion track with wolf tracks in the area. I could tell you stories and show you pictures, but needless to say; ain't no domestic dog that has a fighting chance against something that doesn't get its meals from a kibble bag.

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I’m guessing properly trained Irish Wolfhounds are up to the task.
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[cwtebay]

I’m guessing properly trained Irish Wolfhounds are up to the task.
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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201227/581759dcd55f83ee4e80adede8b07bf2.jpgFunny you ask... I'll pm you a picture of one if you wish.

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[nelsonted1]

I was talking to my daughter last night. She sent a picture of a herd of elk that had ended up in a park in boulder. She said the idiot tourists lost track that wild animals are wild and not to be trifled with. She said she and her boyfriend settled in and waited sure enough a guy sidles up to a big male and touched him. That was when he got blasted with a hoof knocking him right off his feet. I asked if he had his stern hem crushed. She said didn't seem so since he got again. Sometimes people who get hurt put themselves in a bad spot they can't get out of.

[Three44s]

Mega ......,

We can agree to disagree about having wolves because you recognize the first tenant I believe in, that of listening to local folks when making such critical decisions.

You see if you owned land and stock, your ox would be gored overnight and then that local decision making we agree up on would kick in.

I am not in favor of zero wolves but I think they need to be kept very much in check and the folks that want them the most should have them in their locale in the numbers they think are sufficient for other folks to handle.

Three44s

[.429&H110]

Everybody that moves to Alaska is required to read:

"Alaska's Wolf Man
The 1915-55
Wilderness
Adventures of
Frank Glaser"
by Jim Rearden
isbn 1-57510-047-9

Glaser walked from Valdez to Fairbanks before there was a road. Glaser could walk all day, every day, in the Alaska range. He was a federal predator agent, market hunter, road house owner. My favorite chapters, he had a half wolf, Queenie, living with him. Book is a good look at wolves and Fairbanks long ago.
Required reading for this cheechako. I never did get promoted to sourdough.
Couple of guys in my shop trapped wolves, brought in very big pelts.
If you had a pack of Irish wolfhounds, the wolves would go next door.
One Irish wolfhound would be lunch in five seconds.
I never saw a wolf without binoculars,
but found fresh tracks everywhere.
They could hear a sled a mile away.
Illegal to harass wildlife with a snowmachine.
Sorry. Just dashing through the snow.
I can't describe how thick the Chena river alder swamp is. A wolf or moose could run through it. I had to go the long way around. Sometimes the river was frozen enough for a sled. Sometimes it wasn't. How to tell? Wolves don't need much ice at all.


Wolf Man is one of my favorite books.

[MT Gianni]

Wolves have interesting habits. The game animals are active at night and eat until daybreak then hole up by 10 AM. Wolves are most active in the middle hours catching deer and elk while they are resting.

[.429&H110]

This month North Pole sunrise is 9AM sunset 4PM.
Bright light in the south sky.
Dark cold gloomy thick in the bush.
Great place for a wolf, good place to be from.
Then there are the snowbears, hungry, ate plastic
so they cannot hibernate, starving, can only barf.
1000 pounds of hungry.
I needed somewhere warm, like
"The Cremation of Sam McGee".
Robert Service is required too, the kids can recite him.
Was fun until I got old. Cold gets old.

[contender1]

All the stuff posted in these 5 pages and nobody mentioned an obvious RECENT story.
American Rifleman Jan 2021 issue.
page 10
"The Armed Citizen."
Colville Wash. on 10/7/2020.
A man had to defend himself from a pack of wolves. He killed one.
Investigation ruled as justifiable self defense.

Yep,, they CAN & will kill humans if they think they can do so.

[Three44s]

Actually I started this thread with a link to that story but written by the local paper from that area.

Best regards

Three44s

[megasupermagnum]

All the stuff posted in these 5 pages and nobody mentioned an obvious RECENT story.
American Rifleman Jan 2021 issue.
page 10
"The Armed Citizen."
Colville Wash. on 10/7/2020.
A man had to defend himself from a pack of wolves. He killed one.
Investigation ruled as justifiable self defense.

Yep,, they CAN & will kill humans if they think they can do so.

Wild animals can be dangerous. Is anyone surprised?

[10x]

All the stuff posted in these 5 pages and nobody mentioned an obvious RECENT story.
American Rifleman Jan 2021 issue.
page 10
"The Armed Citizen."
Colville Wash. on 10/7/2020.
A man had to defend himself from a pack of wolves. He killed one.
Investigation ruled as justifiable self defense.

Yep,, they CAN & will kill humans if they think they can do so.

There is zero evidence that wolves kill people as the wolves ate that evidence......

[BJK]

I never saw a wolf without binoculars,
but found fresh tracks everywhere.

How on earth do they get the binoculars!??

Sorry, I have a strange sense of humor even with subjects that shouldn't be humorous. I'm glad we don't have them to any extent in Maine. A hunter many years ago shot a very large coyote and took it somewhere to have something down with the huge animal. DF&G tested it and found it to be a wolf/coyote hybrid and the hunter got screwed over. Despite wolves not being in Maine I guess hunters now need to take a DNA sample, have it tested, and have the animal wait there for results before being shot.

I live in rural Maine and the biggest predator threats we have are black bear, coyote, and rabies. Attack by BB is extremely rare, coyote a bit less rare but more common in a bad winter when the snow is deep and soft and they can't run on the crust to kill deer. Rabies is far more common in the other animals. But anyway, when the wife and I go for walks I always carry a firearm. Any one of us with the ability to do so would be foolish not to. It doesn't mean we have to use it but having it means we can if need be. Over the years I've killed quite a few wild animals that never should have been near habitation. Any animal in daylight that doesn't run but acts weird, the big concern is rabies. One time I didn't put it down, I just let the game warden know where it was and he gave me quite a tongue lashing about how I should have done the deed.

I'm sure glad we don't have wolves.

FWIW, the left does get theirs... On Cape Cod the left passed an anti-trapping law that was previously used for coyote control. It didn't take long for little Fi-Fi to start being turned into coyote feces. I don't know if they ever wised up and returned things back to the way they were or not. Cape Codders have what they have and they did it to themselves. Ignorant people as to how things work and "We have better ideas and will tell you how you should live.".

[dangitgriff]

Uh...about all that stuff I said in earlier posts...? Disregard. I don’t want anything to do with wolves up close and personal. [emoji15]
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Taken in Montana over Christmas weekend.

[quilbilly]

There is zero evidence that wolves kill people as the wolves ate that evidence......
I feel the same way about killer whales when I see them from my kayak.

[Der Gebirgsjager]

Wow! Very Impressive photo, Griff. If a pack of 5 or 6 wolves that size were after a person they'd very likely become dinner.

DG

[Gator 45/70]

Didn't a pack take out a jogging school teacher a few years back in AK?

[dangitgriff]

Wow! Very Impressive photo, Griff. If a pack of 5 or 6 wolves that size were after a person they'd very likely become dinner.

DG

Have you seen ‘The Grey’ film? Man vs. nature.
That was copied from another acquaintance on another forum, who knows the hunter. Three feet high at the shoulder is 12” past my comfort zone.
Any dog large enough to require a .308 to put down is definitely out of my wheelhouse.

[farmbif]

from some things I've read in the past hunting wolves can be one of the most challenging hunts if you are a lone hunter.
I would not mind having a winter coat made from a couple of em.

[MrWolf]

Wow. I thought my guy in my avatar was big at around 150 lbs. Couldn't even imagine being stalked by a pack of them.

[Three44s]

Now you see what we are dealing with!

A crossed up wolf well beyond the capabilities of the native Yellowstone wolf.

Good bye livestock!

Good bye general hunting of deer and elk!

....... the left thinks that if you eliminate hunting, that the second amendment goes next!

Three44s

[BJK]

They've thought that for decades. They don't understand that it's not about hunting, and the 2nd A' gives us nothing, it merely enumerates what was giving to all of mankind by YHVH.

[Three44s]

They've thought that for decades. They don't understand that it's not about hunting, and the 2nd A' gives us nothing, it merely enumerates what was giving to all of mankind by YHVH.

The “left” knows just what they are up to.

The “right” understands what the left’s ploy is all about.

However, the “center” thinks we can just get along to go along, all the while we drift ever closer to the “cliff”!

Three44s

[Buzz Krumhunger]

Didn't a pack take out a jogging school teacher a few years back in AK?

“An autopsy has revealed that Candice Berner, 32, died of injuries sustained in an animal attack, officials said.
Her body was dragged off a rural road, leaving a bloody track, into the nearby bush and was surrounded by wolf tracks.“
BBC News March 13 2010

[reloader28]

Friend of mine with a plane was up fishing walleyes on Lake of the woods, up in the islands.

He came across a big wolf pack track. From the air it was plain as day before they got close to the island a pair of wolves would split off the pack, left and right. Staying well away from the island they would work their way into an ambush position. Then hunker down in the snow out of sight. The pack would have one set of flankers on each side that stayed out in the open. They would be a bit ahead of the rest of the pack. Anything trying to break out sideways would run into them.

The rest of the pack would go through the woods of the island. Driving any animals of any size in front of them.

They would do this until they found deer, killed, ate. And the next day they would do it again.

From the air all this was all laid out plain as day.

A good sized pack is a killing machine. Each has its job, they know what it is and how to do it.

Inevitably the big red spot on the snow would be just past the far end of the island.

I've heard it said/read that a Cougar will eat 1-2 deer per week depending on weather, cubs, etc.
A wolf pack will eat a 200 lb deer every day all winter long if they can.


Around here it is a fact that 6 wolves will eat a cow elk every night. Thats 365 elk a year gone from only 6 wolves.

[Three44s]

Added to that is what is the pregnancy percentage of elk live calves delivered and then those that survive to adulthood?

Cattle herd calving percentages go in the toilet. The weight of the calves that survive are significantly lower.

The cattle are MUCH harder to handle!

There is no finer “hired hand” than a good well trained stock dog. We can not have them in close quarters with cattle that have been “wolfitized”! They KILL our dogs if given the right circumstances.

Mad cattle equals tough meat!

Conservation Northwest says there is a market for “wolf friendly” beef!

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I did not know people paid good money for wolf scat containing beef DNA!

Three44s

[FLINTNFIRE]

He is trolling again

[.429&H110]

Let me be the first to say
"Happy New Year!"
may 2021 be better than that last one.

Shooting stray cows? Let me know how that works out...

I am surprised no-one mentioned 30-50 people a year are killed by pet dogs 718 million dollars damage says dogsbite.org: don't worry about wolves, we have wolves trained to run away. Sharks will get a few people so stay out of the water, and be careful of lightning, the Lord's judgement on Sunday golfers. Deer will cheerfully murder you on the freeway, with that dead-eye stare. In Tucson we average a dead pedestrian a day, right turn on red is murder. In America 30,000 people died last year driving and no-one slows down. I am cheering for the California cougars there's justice I betcha. Be aware, and concealed in 2021.
Happy New Year!

[M-Tecs]

Cattle in the wild are an abomination, an invasive species. They need to be kept in pens or buildings not loosed on nature. Hunters should be free to shoot cattle that are loose just like feral pigs.

Tim

That's either a very poor attempt at humor and excellent display of why city folks should not be allowed to vote on rural issues. That could be the poster as to why The Electoral College is needed now more than anytime in history.

[cwtebay]

Cattle in the wild are an abomination, an invasive species. They need to be kept in pens or buildings not loosed on nature. Hunters should be free to shoot cattle that are loose just like feral pigs.

TimI really hope this is a poor attempt at humour.

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[waksupi]

Cattle in the wild are an abomination, an invasive species. They need to be kept in pens or buildings not loosed on nature. Hunters should be free to shoot cattle that are loose just like feral pigs.

Tim

I doubt you know that most range land requires a fair amount of cloven hoof use to regenerate the vegetation.

[Three44s]

Cattle in the wild are an abomination, an invasive species. They need to be kept in pens or buildings not loosed on nature. Hunters should be free to shoot cattle that are loose just like feral pigs.

Tim

Sounds like Bruce Babbit (Secretary of Interior for Bill Clinton). He hated ranchers. His family had him in a prep school but summers were spent on a huge family ranch. He hated hard honest work!

As an adult he seeked revenge on all western cattlemen as retribution for his summers as a young person!

Hence his glee in loosening the super wolf on the West!

Sad and twisted logic.

Three44s

[Jim22]

I was sitting in my office a few years ago, right where I am now in NE Washington. Looked out the window and saw a wolf trot across the wooded area across the street. They trot different than dogs do when they're travelling. Eat up the miles. I sent an email to WDFW in Spokane relating it. A few hours later I got a phone call from the 'Wolf Specialist' in Colville. Talked with him for nearly an hour. He agreed it was a wolf. We have two packs just east of us and one just to the west. A few days later a man I know saw it along side the road with a piece of deer in its mouth. People on the golf course started to see it as well.

We have a good population of deer around here so we have cougars as well. I always carry a .357 when walking the dogs. Have for about twenty years. Haven't fired it at anything yet. Must be several thousand dog walks and no trouble yet. I would feel foolish, though if I left the gun home and had trouble.

[clearwater]

I started carrying a pistol when out in the woods with my dog in Steven's and Ferry Counties. I am not too worried about wolves for myself, but have had a wolf come investigate when dog walking on Abercrombie years ago and know dogs attract wolves.

Had a friend chased backed to his truck near Black Lake when he went into the woods to pee. A very big man, he tried bluffing them, but it must have been near a den and the pair of them bluffed right back.

Cougars are a little more creepy. Know of three people who have been stalked and ended up shooting the cats. The Spokane paper had a picture of one cat with an arrow thru its open mouth when it got too close to an archer deer hunting.