Titegroup w/ hardcast lead?

[jason280]

What is the general consensus on Titegroup powder?

I picked up an 8lb jug about a year ago, but have never actually used any of the powder. My original plan was use it with 9mm loads, but how does it perform in magnum revolver cartridges? I shoot a decent amount of .32 HR, .38/.357, .41, .44-40, .44 Spl/Mag, .45 Colt, and .480 Ruger, and generally like to keep velocities around 1k fps with heavier weight lead (and some jacketed) bullets. I have plenty of AA #7, H110 & 4227, but I am not looking for full power loads....any reason not to use the Titegroup?

I know charge weights are low, but the website states the powder is not position sensitive...but double charges would be a potential issue. Anyone using it in magnum revolver cartridges, and how do you like it?

[Evoken]

I tried it in 44mag just because I could. It was very meh, would be ok for powder puff loads. This would have been before I started casting, so I couldn't comment on that.
However, I did/do like it for the commercial cast that I bought for 45acp. I have not tried it yet in my own cast 45, as I have been fiddling with bullseye and power pistol.

Ken

[rototerrier]

I've used it a ton in 9mm and 45acp. It's a very fast powder. Definitely not a magnum powder but you can certainly use it in magnum calibers at lower velocities. It's best in 9 and 45 but will do fine for powder puff magnum loads as long as you don't push it. But, I wouldn't do it unless that's all you have. Much better powders out there for magnums.

[Wally]

I use it in my Ruger SBHK with the Lyman 429215.....9.0 Grains gives me 1,185 FPS...using 10.0 Universal I get 1,182 FS. I seldom use any heavier loads than that; loads that would use copious quantities of 2400/4227/AA#7/H110. The load is very accurate. I place charged cases in a loading block & do a flashlight test, to prevent double charging. IMHO one should do that with any powder or load.

[BrutalAB]

Titegroup is the only powder i use for 9mm, and almost the only powder i use for 38 special.
Ive loaded it in 357 but found aa #9 to suit my needs and wants better.

Having both powders availiable, i use each where it works best. If i only had one, or a severely limited amount of #9 i would feel comfortable with using titegroup for both. There is published data for it after all.

[Huskerguy]

I started using TG several years ago in 9, 38, and 357. I don't shoot anything at max. I had very good results with it. Fast forward to where my 9's are all CZs and I find W231 is more accurate in my testing. I have enough TG to probably last a lifetime! It goes a long long ways. It is pretty smoking in lubed cast, at least I thought it was.

[John McCorkle]

Never tried it in magnum loadings (max or near max) but I use it in almost everything. From 9mm to 300 blk plinkers....3006 galley loads and 303 brit...38spc/357 mag

It's not position sensitive which is the real win on this powder

It works wonderfully... easily one of my top 3 powders.

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[jonp]

Got 8lbs. Works fine but not better than any other for me in the cartridges it is supposed to be used for.

[tazman]

I use Titegroup in 9mm, 38 Special, and 45ACP with very satisfactory results. Never tried it in magnum cases.

[44MAG#1]

I use it in 45 Auto and 44 Special. It is very very similar to Bullseye. It goes without saying it is fast burning.

[Wolfmanjack]

I use it in 45-70, 12 gr and a 350 gr water quenched slug. Powerful deer medicine. Very light recoil and the most accurate load I have found that my gun likes.

[gpidaho]

TiteGroup is my favorite powder for 41mag plinking rounds. 7 or 8gr. under a powder coated 210 is a great can roller. Gp

[Walks]

I started using TiteGroup for Cowboy Loads when it first came out, maybe 25yrs ago. The "Not position sensitive thing" is why.
Use it in .38Spl, .44Spl, .44Mag, .45S&W Schofield.
Works great.
But it's absolute @#$%&%$#@* on plastic Powder Measure hoppers.

YOU MUST EMPTY/CLEAN OUT your Powder Measure IMMEDIATELY, you are finished loading.

[gpidaho]

As low as 2.8gr. TiteGroup up to 8+gr. works great in 223 and 22-250 cast bullet loads. Gp

[Martin Luber]

Good jword powder, burns very hot hence the smoke with boolets. Is that what you see?

[gnostic]

Titegroup is my go to powder for 9mm, 45acp, 38spl and at Walmart it cost $19 a pound. I bought about five pounds as the cost matters when you're dumping mags as fast as you can...

[BrutalAB]

What kind of Walmart did you find smokeless powder at?
The best kind thats what kind.

[tazman]

I started using TiteGroup for Cowboy Loads when it first came out, maybe 25yrs ago. The "Not position sensitive thing" is why.
Use it in .38Spl, .44Spl, .44Mag, .45S&W Schofield.
Works great.
But it's absolute @#$%&%$#@* on plastic Powder Measure hoppers.

YOU MUST EMPTY/CLEAN OUT your Powder Measure IMMEDIATELY, you are finished loading.

Interesting, I have often left Titegroup in my Lee Pro Autodisk for a couple of days and never had any issues. Maybe Lee uses a different kind of plastic.

[John McCorkle]

Interesting, I have often left Titegroup in my Lee Pro Autodisk for a couple of days and never had any issues. Maybe Lee uses a different kind of plastic.I would agree, it will trash your powder measure tube.

Just a couple sessions leaving it in over night and it chemical burned the clear pvc tube on my hornady lock n load powder measure.

Since found replacement tube and it isn't a good practice to leave powder in the measure anyways.

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[Hanzy4200]

I've used quite a bit of TG in a wide variety of pistol loads. It's a great powder for economical shooting. Performance wise it's nothing to write home about, but I still use it often.

[tazman]

I have one of those unique situations where the location for my reloading equipment is cool and dry year round. It is never humid enough there to make the powder clump or stick together or stick to the walls of the powder measure tube. What I can get away with, in my location, would not be a good idea in other circumstances.

It still might be a problem with a different brand powder measure tube. I have no means to test it as all my powder measures, for handguns, are Lee. When I reload rifle cartridges, I use an RCBS Uniflow. I never leave powder in it as I seldom do rifle loading for more than an hour or two. I have a rule that I never have more than one can of powder on the bench at a time, hence I always empty the RCBS and set up for a handgun cartridge when I finish a rifle cartridge session. I am also, not going to fill the RCBS measure with Titegroup and leave it just to see if it etches the hopper.

[gnostic]

What kind of Walmart did you find smokeless powder at?
The best kind thats what kind.

The Walmarts in Colorado carry loading supplies...

[tazman]

The Walmarts in Colorado carry loading supplies...

I wish they did here. Most don't even have a decent supply of firearms and ammunition.
The closest one to me sells scopes but no rings for them., Go figure.

[bobthenailer]

Tight group powder has been my powder of choice for many years with cast up to 1,100 fps in 357 mag, 44 mag and the 454 Casull

[Shuz]

Wally turned me onto Titegroup for the ..44mag a year or so ago, and I ha e found it to be a great powder for 1000 to 1100fps loads with cast boolits from 225 to 260g. I use a Dillon Square deal B and have not noticed any deteriorating of my hopper when the powder is left in for sometimes weeks.

[Rattlesnake Charlie]

I use TightGroup in 9mm. At 3.0 gr per round, that 8 lb jug will go far.

[jason280]

Wally turned me onto Titegroup for the ..44mag a year or so ago, and I ha e found it to be a great powder for 1000 to 1100fps loads with cast boolits from 225 to 260g. I use a Dillon Square deal B and have not noticed any deteriorating of my hopper when the powder is left in for sometimes weeks.

That's pretty much what I am looking for, roughly 1k fps.

[BigAlofPa.]

I had a lot of leading with T.G. coated cast. It was the worst in 9mm and .380. It was in all my guns chambered in those 2 calibers. I do like it with plated and FMJ.

[35remington]

The “not position sensitive” part is not entirely true for a number of reasons. Short version is when pressures run on the lower side and/or lightweight bullets are used the position sensitivity of the powder goes up substantially.

Said by a guy who has tested for it in a number of cartridges.

The “not” part is advertising propaganda. It is “less” in ideal situations, and “more” position sensitive under those I outlined.

[marek313]

I think TG discussion came up before few times. Its not bad just burns fast and little hot. I like something like W231/HP38 little better. Very economical (TG) because of small charges but doesnt fill cases well which is why i dont use it in 9mm where double charge is possible. After watching someone blow up their gun with what I believe was a double charge i now use slower powders where double charge is impossible. Slower powders also give me better accuracy maybe because most of my handguns have full size barrels around 5" long. I do have 4lbs of TG for rainy days or Biden days :mrgreen:

[jason280]

Considering the low powder charges, would there by any reason not to use standard large pistol primers (vs mag primers)?

[John McCorkle]

Considering the low powder charges, would there by any reason not to use standard large pistol primers (vs mag primers)?I don't think you'd want to try to get pressures high enough to warrant mag pistol primers but....bristance (amount of flash the primer produces) is less in pistol primers than rifle primers or mag pistol primers....again though with tite group I've never had to drill out flash holes or use rifle or mag pistol primers or anything....it ignites pretty easily even in large volume cases.

Some guys that have been doing this longer than I have or with different powders may want to weigh in but my experience with low charge tite group would be that you'd be fine - just keep in mind this combo is only a good option for low power loads....if you're trying to get higher velocity (which you already said you're not) it would be better to go with a different powder

Pressure spike in tite group is all up front...it's burn rate is fast, only beaten by a few like bullseye and trail boss. It'll knock the brass out against the chamber walls fast to make a seal and burn completely by the time the boolit is a few inches travel...at the end of a 20+ inch barrel the muzzle pressure is much lower and thus much quieter. I really enjoy it, and my kids do too. Zero flinch from concussion or report

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[derek45]

It's a popular powder for target shooting, USPSA/IPSC and IDPA...9mm, 40, 45acp

It's a fast burning powder, like bullseye or clays.

It burns very hot, heating up the barrel, and is very smokey with lead bullets

It's not the best choice for magnums, as it will achieve lower velocities at max pressure, . . . compared to medium burn rate stuff like unique, universal, HS6,....for max velocity, use 2400 or H110/w296

[John Boy]

Here’s a website, pick out your calibers/bullet weights and it will list all the powders and charges ... http://stevespages.com/page8a.htm

[fredj338]

I have never cared for TG, some even call me a hater. It burns wickedly hot. I think this can burn off conventional lubes & lots of smoke. The tiny charge can easily triple in revo cases. There are so many other powder, I just said no after buying just 1#.
BTW, never buy 8# of anything you have never used. I have a shelf full of partial 1# cans of powder I didnt like.

[fredj338]

Wally turned me onto Titegroup for the ..44mag a year or so ago, and I ha e found it to be a great powder for 1000 to 1100fps loads with cast boolits from 225 to 260g. I use a Dillon Square deal B and have not noticed any deteriorating of my hopper when the powder is left in for sometimes weeks.

Honestly with lead bullets, RedDot beats TG IMHO. I shot #s of RD in 45colt for CAS. It is actually a bit faster than TG but 1.5x the loft & without the high heat. Powder position is over rated with handgun loads. Any faster powder will give good results.

[onelight]

I am another red dot fan I to like the bulk and the cool burning with Hi-tek bullets . I started using it because I could load lighter loads with it on my Lee turret with the Disk pm because it bulks up more than bulls eye , and found it to be a great for light loads in a lot of cartridges .

[mike4045]

I have used Titegroup for years, mostly in 9mm, as was said not the best powder but fills a lot of different calibers.

[FarNorth45]

I load a lot of titegroup for my wife to shoot in my 45-70's ..... it shoots extremely accurate in that big ol case !! She has a bad shoulder and can't take the recoil of a 45-70 . I load it under a 405gr cast for my Henry lever and my Shiloh Sharps . I have a 300yrd range at my house and my wife loves that load . In her Henry 45colt we run Unique under a 250gr cast and that gun loves it! .

[GasGuzzler]

I have a can. Use it for 45 AUTO but got it 'cause I got a deal and it can load 9X19 and 45 Colt too if needed. I don't use it for cast at this time.

[fcvan]

I only used TG once, a pound my neighbor scored during the last component crisis. It shot okay as I recall. My go to powders are Unique for just about everything, Bullseye for 380 ACP, IMR 4227 for cast .223/5.56, and .308 Win. If I load jacketed I still use 4227 for plinking .223, but use 4895 for the .308 and hunting rounds for .223/5.56 rounds. I know Red Dot works well, I had a cousin who gave me an 8 lb keg he had and couldn't use. I loaded him a bunch of .38 SP for his S&W 686 and he loved it.

[jessdigs]

I use TG in 9mm and .40 a ton. Never tried it magnums


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[468]

I use TG because it was available. I like Unique better, but TG will do for now. I use it in 10, 45, 38, 357, and 44mag. ... never loading to max. Pull trigger, Big Bang, hole in target very close to other holes. Result is acceptable.

[Cosmic_Charlie]

Works fine in 9mm and I use 5 grains under a 160 gr. Keith style boolit in my .44 special. Also works for powder puff loads in rifles.

[David2011]

Good jword powder, burns very hot hence the smoke with boolets. Is that what you see?

Since I shoot USPSA smoke is a problem. I started a quest to find a powder that smoked less. After trying many different powders, the conclusion was that the powder made little difference. The lube caused most of the smoke, verified by the smoke going away when I started powder coating the boolits.

I’ve used many pounds of TG for .40 S&W. I don’t think it’s a recommended powder for .40 but it’s very popular with USPSA shooters. Most USPSA folks load 180 grain boolits to 930-950 fps which is about 100 fps below factory levels but still makes major power factor.

[marshall623]

I use Titegroup in 357 mag 4.6gr under a NOE 158 WFN for Silly wets it does OK . I used it in 9mm with 124 lee cast I think 3.8gr , but Unique does the job better . I'm going to try 231 in the 357 next , looks like a little more wiggle room in the data . I run the Titegroup load up though the Turkeys at 75 M , then the Ram load I run 11.4gr of AA#9 because it does better at 100 M . The selling point was the ( not position sensitive ) . If I run across a # of 231 its going home .

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