Semi-wadcutter's for 45 Auto

[HumptyDumpty]

Are there any designs that are known to feed well in a 1911? I'm hoping to use some heavy projectiles (260-300+ grains) at low velocities (700-800 or so fps. I really don't want to break 1,000). It's actually a 45 Super conversion, so I should be alright in terms of pressure. I've found Underwood's 255 grain flat-nosed loading to feed reliably, and they zip right along at over 1,000 fps. I'd just like to go heavier and slower.

[Rug480]

Cant speak to swc but the Lee 255gr rnfp fed without issue in my 460 Rowland Springfield Milspec and that has a .32-.33 meplat, plenty of slap.

[Stuckcase]

Lyman 452424 (240), Saeco 058 (215) , Lyman 452423 (230) will all do the trick your decision on how heavy. I just started a thread on the LBT type designs in the 230 gr ball park from Accurate molds. The long ogive and wide meplat of LBT fame is what I am looking at around 230 gr.

[jakharath]

If your 1911 doesn't feed something, take it to a gunsmith (preferably someone who knows 1911's). A properly tuned 1911 will feed everything.

[44MAG#1]

I really like the Saeco 058. But it is 215 grains. I am getting a copy that will weigh 230 from Lyman #2. The Meplat is .325" is the reason I like it. It feeds well in my Kimbers and Glocks. A Springfield XDs I had did not like it.

[44MAG#1]

A word to the wise. With wide meplats be careful as they must be seated deeper than bullets with small or smaller meplats due to magazine design.
With heavier than normal bullets that could POSSIBLY cause a problem.
Ask me how I know this about wide meplats and clearance in a 1911 magazine.

[reddog81]

If your 1911 doesn't feed something, take it to a gunsmith (preferably someone who knows 1911's). A properly tuned 1911 will feed everything.

Not necessarily. 1911’s aren’t designed to feed 300 grain SWC ammo. 45 Super generally uses the same bullet weights as 45 ACP. The internals of the 45 Super case taper even more than 45 ACP. Trying to smash a bullet that larger into the case will result in a boattail bullet and a variety of other problems.

[HumptyDumpty]

These are definitely the sorts of bullet profiles I am looking for, but I would like to get a little heavier, if possible. I've seen a number of heavy SWC's marketed for the 45 Colt, have any of you tried something along those lines? Here's an example (http://www.acmebullet.com/45-CAL-Lead-Cast-Bullets?product_id=567)I have been eyeing, though the meplat doesn't look very impressive from this side of the internet.

[Conditor22]

my old 45 ACP 1911 has eaten everything I've fed it, (haven't tried 452-300 yet)

It loves the 452-200-swc and the 452460

[txbirdman]

I too have used the Lee 250 RFN in a 1911. It will definitely thump whatever it hits.

[44MAG#1]

These are definitely the sorts of bullet profiles I am looking for, but I would like to get a little heavier, if possible. I've seen a number of heavy SWC's marketed for the 45 Colt, have any of you tried something along those lines? Here's an example (http://www.acmebullet.com/45-CAL-Lead-Cast-Bullets?product_id=567)I have been eyeing, though the meplat doesn't look very impressive from this side of the internet.

You will only learn by doing. Order some and try them. Let us know how they work.

[44MAG#1]

Here is a Saeco 300 grain 45 cal. SWC bullet sized to .452 seated into a 45 auto case to JUSY BARELY fit a 1911 magazine.
Notice anything funny about it?

272694

[reddog81]

These are definitely the sorts of bullet profiles I am looking for, but I would like to get a little heavier, if possible. I've seen a number of heavy SWC's marketed for the 45 Colt, have any of you tried something along those lines? Here's an example (http://www.acmebullet.com/45-CAL-Lead-Cast-Bullets?product_id=567)I have been eyeing, though the meplat doesn't look very impressive from this side of the internet.

That’s not a SWC and there’s no way that bullet will work in 45 Super.

[HumptyDumpty]

Here is a Saeco 300 grain 45 cal. SWC bullet sized to .452 seated into a 45 auto case to JUSY BARELY fit a 1911 magazine.
Notice anything funny about it?

272694

That's quite a bulge, wow. I'm guessing it didn't chamber.

[HumptyDumpty]

That’s not a SWC and there’s no way that bullet will work in 45 Super.

I must profess a bit of ignorance here; at what point does it go from simply being truncated cone, to a SWC?

[Gunslinger1911]

I have had good luck with various 250g SWC's in the 1911. You may have to play with the seating depth a little, you may have to "throat and ramp" the chamber (slightly enlarge the opening and break the angle on the ramp) - I do this on all 1911's anyway.
As said, just make sure the length lets you load a whole mag - don't ask how I know only putting 1 or 2 rounds in mag isn't enough - haha
The sharp angles on the bullet really grab the bowling pins !

[Drm50]

I’m in the process of looking for bullet for 45AR for use in m25-2 S&W. Everything I’ve tried so far was between 200 and 242gr. The Lyman 242gr WC is deadly accurate in 45 Colt but not impressive in 45AR. I’m not after metaplates or 1000fps. Reasonable velocity and most of all accuracy.

[44MAG#1]

I must profess a bit of ignorance here; at what point does it go from simply being truncated cone, to a SWC?

One of the things one must do is study. As much info there is out there on bullet types, shapes and weights and Meplats it is easy to study. To really give support to ones ideas is to do as much study as one can do. That, I have found, is a key to knowing.

[Rug480]

One thing to keep in mind if gunning for heavier weight, oal/meplat being equal TC and SWC will have more mass past the crimp groove/cannelure than a RNFP.


These seem to be recommended quite often.

https://hunters-supply.com/452-cal-275-p-186.html

[Old School Big Bore]

HumptyDumpty - The absence/presence of the SWC's bore-riding diameter shoulder is what differentiates the two. On the TC, the slope is tangent to both the meplat and the bearing surface. On the SWC, the slope runs from the meplat to the shoulder. I have run all manner of heavy "hog stompers" through my parts-gun match 1911 without ill effect and with some surprising accuracy and thump along the way. The 255s need close attention to seating and charging, and you may want to run a Shok-Buf and deal with the fail-to-lock-back issue, to protect your frame. The Lee 230 TC or RNFP may be the best choice to balance accuracy, feeding and thump; YMMV. I had a brain fart on the range recently while doing water-jug expansion tests and put a Lyman 255 SWC ACP+P load through all 13 gallons that my test fixture accommodates. That boolit is still in flight somewhere in the next two or three counties. It would probably do the same on Hogzilla or Whitetailus Rex. In reference to hunting/defense loads, I have found that some of the .45LC J-words will "work" at ACP to Super velocities but again YMMV.

DRM50 - My 625-8 JM likes just about any .45 LC boolit I stuff into it. It especially likes the Lyman 255 RF and SWCs as well as the MP HBWC and RimRock 255-SWC and their 200-WC. I recently got several different Lee .45 molds and will post about them soon - the 155 SWC, the 160, 200 and 230 RNFPs, and the 230 TC are all yelling at me to load them in ACP and AR brass but I have some other loads to make first. In my continual search for light recoiling match loads, I did load some 155s too light to run my 1911 nor the XD45, but they shot just fine in moon clips in the 625. In fact that's why I bought the JM; I had loaded multi-hundreds of Nosler 185 match JHPs that would not run my match 1911, even with the lightest spring I had and running wetter than a toddler's snoot, but the 625 loved them and that became a favorite load for that gun. The heavy lugged barrel makes it a joy to shoot with the mock 45LC loads, in fact it handles them so well that I traded off a 625-6 LC Mountain Gun that was uncomfortable to shoot even Skeeter loads through, and the JM and a couple short Blackhawks handle my LC/LC equivalent shooting now.
Ed <><

[StrawHat]

To assist feeding the heavy, fat boolits contact DougGuy and get your barrel properly throated.

And read this.

https://castbulletassoc.org/blog/article/2017/4/67/452423-i-love-you---a-texas-love-story

Written by a member of this forum.

And a few heavyweight 45 ACP threads.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?223145-45-ACP-P-45-Super-and-45-08-Heavy-Boolit-Load-Data

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?369516-Heavy-45AR-Loads-Noe-454424

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?128243-Heavy-Bullets-in-the-45-ACP

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?281259-45-ACP-255gr-Cast-boolit-recipe

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?255216-Feeding-Big-Meplats-in-1911-s-Continued-The-LBT-LFN

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?253967-45-ACP-1911-amp-250-gr-boolits

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?237958-Reliably-Feeding-the-452423-A-Science-Project

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?159572-250-270-Grain-Boolits-In-45-ACP-or-45-AR

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?159572-250-270-Grain-Boolits-In-45-ACP-or-45-AR

Kevin

[Kosh75287]

I like the Lee 250/255 gr. RNFP. I used Unique and Herco with it, to shoot bowling pins. I loaded it just warm enough to reliably operate a 1911A1 slide, with a stock spring. I had no chronograph then, but I am very certain that velocities exceeded 700 f/s, and resonably certain that they were consistently over 750 f/s. I am also very certain that velocities did NOT exceed 800 f/s.
The loads I used were 5.1-5.2/Unique/250 gr. Lee LRNFP, @ 1.211", and 5.4-5.5/Herco/Same Projectile & C.O.A.L. This data was obtained from a Speer Bullets reloading manual, using their 260 gr. JHP (intended for use in .45 Colt) in. 45 ACP. I detected no excessive case head expansion, nor violent ejection of empty cases, so I considered the pressures to be moderate. I had no peening of the ejector, nor other signs of excessive slide velocity.
If you intend to push a bullet of this weight 150 f/s faster, I suggest the use of a heavier recoil spring, and a firing pin stop that is squared, not rounded, at the base. You might also look into the use of Alliant Power pistol, which may behave a bit better at elevated pressures than Unique or Herco.

[HumptyDumpty]

I currently have a 460 Rowland V2 recoil dampening system, and a square-bottom firing pin stop. My barrel was throated a couple of years back by Don Williams, proprietor of The Action Works. Factory 45 Super shoots great, and I intend to create a duplicate handload for that as well. My intention with this particular loading, is to approximate standard 230 grain ball velocities utilizing substantially a heavier bullet, with the sort of profiles so far listed. This thread has provided me with wealth of information; it will take some time to digest it all.

[murf205]

Are there any designs that are known to feed well in a 1911? I'm hoping to use some heavy projectiles (260-300+ grains) at low velocities (700-800 or so fps. I really don't want to break 1,000). It's actually a 45 Super conversion, so I should be alright in terms of pressure. I've found Underwood's 255 grain flat-nosed loading to feed reliably, and they zip right along at over 1,000 fps. I'd just like to go heavier and slower.

I dont know whether they will feed in a 1911yet but I am going to try these in a Hi Point carbine as soon as my friend who owns it and I get together. Its a 255 gr from an Accurate 45-253M mold.272758

[Sooner]

I like the 452423 Lyman style. A little lighter than you are looking for but runs great from many 1911s

[murf205]

Update: those big flat nose boolits feed like a charm through my friends HiPiont 45 carbine. It has a similar
Configuration to a 1911, in that it feeds from a magazine in the grip. I have a couple of Colts and a Kimber in the safe so that will be my next test. That Boolit has enough radius to feed in a 1911-I think- and ought to hit pretty hard