Is powder shortage next ?

[marek313]

I was lucky enough to stock up in the spring before all hell broke loose and prices shot through the roof. Now as everyone is aware primers and most projectiles are all sold out everywhere. Looking at Grafs powder prices they havent increased yet but some of the popular powders are beginning to sell out. I just ordered more powders just to make sure. I have some extra cash and I figured prices will only go up from here so i ordered more powders. Have been using Vectan powders lately for most pistols but I decided to try their rifle powder too. Varget, BLC2, CFE223, H335, H4895 and many other popular choices are already sold out. Good ole Biden and his cabinet will make powder prices surge I'm afraid. I hope I'm wrong on that one though.

[mattw]

I do not see it getting better in the next several months... that said it makes sense that I will get worse. I feel we are screwed if a plant anywhere goes offline. Also, I fear Biden component taxes in the near future.

[Old School Big Bore]

I was looking at several suppliers and everything but eight-pound caddies of 50 BMG powder, expensive choices like VV, and the odd jug of obscure startup weirdo powder is sold out. People are even buying the outrageously expensive Barnes and LeHigh projectiles. I did find some XTPs on Midsouth today. Yeesh.
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[reddog81]

I was at Scheels yesterday and at least half the powders were sold out. Probably closer to 75% sold out.
Looked at Powder Valley's website a couple days ago and the selection of Alliant and Hodgdon powders were minimal. Vihtavouri powders were limited to some of the more uncommon powders.

[Bull-Moose]

Get it while you can.

[dverna]

Yes...buy now if you do not have a four year supply. There is little chance of things getting better soon. It is imperative that we strive for self sufficiency from supply chain disruptions and government overreach.

It took me 15 years to achieve a lifetime supply. The average cost of powder in my inventory is $19/lb, and primers are $23/1000. I have stuff like 26 lbs of Varget that is impossible to get at any price.

BTW, those who bought when supply was good and prices low are not causing the current problems. If "those hoarders" sell some of their excess inventory at "stupid" prices, you should be thankful you can buy stuff. The alternative is to do without until things change. Try to remember some of them, like me, have been sitting on inventory for over a decade.

If you buy powder now, when it is still available and reasonably priced, YOU will not be part the problem down the road.

BTW, my LGS does not gouge even when supplies are low. Their normal prices are higher than what I can get on line in bulk but they have not increased prices on powder they have in stock.

[Froogal]

I stocked up on Unique and Trail Boss quite some time ago and glad I did because both of those went out of stock shortly after. I discovered just today that nearly all of the other powders that I sometimes use is also out of stock. That is okay. I will take this opportunity to experiment with some other stuff which is still available.

[Blanket]

Yes...buy now if you do not have a four year supply. There is little chance of things getting better soon. It is imperative that we strive for self sufficiency from supply chain disruptions and government overreach.

It took me 15 years to achieve a lifetime supply. The average cost of powder in my inventory is $19/lb, and primers are $23/1000. I have stuff like 26 lbs of Varget that is impossible to get at any price.

BTW, those who bought when supply was good and prices low are not causing the current problems. If "those hoarders" sell some of their excess inventory at "stupid" prices, you should be thankful you can buy stuff. The alternative is to do without until things change. Try to remember some of them, like me, have been sitting on inventory for over a decade.

If you buy powder now, when it is still available and reasonably priced, YOU will not be part the problem down the road.

BTW, my LGS does not gouge even when supplies are low. Their normal prices are higher than what I can get on line in bulk but they have not increased prices on powder they have in stock.

spot on, I built my supply over 40 years

[Conditor22]

All the local outlets for primers and powders are out of both here

[DDriller]

Powder Valley had several powders earlier today.

[la5676]

Powder Valley had several powders earlier today.
That's a little bit of a stretch. If you are looking for shotshell powder (which would also cover pistol loads too) there are several, but virtually nothing for rifle loading that I could see.

[Bird]

I think the shortage is already here, at least the price is up on gunbroker site. $40 to $80 per lb .

[Kosh75287]

Biden's antics may not be at all necessary to send propellant prices into the "1 share of WalMart" stratum, but I doubt that'd stop him, if he thought there was political hay to be made, there. After 47+ years of wrong positions on darned near EVERYthing, I doubt he's low on the capacity to make MORE stupid moves.
Sad part is, he doesn't REALLY have to. We're already so bereft of primers, they don't really HAVE to cut the supply of anything else to disarm us. They'll never take all the guns the American Public owns, so they'll just make them incredibly difficult or expensive to use. THIS is how they'll win, if we let them.

[dtknowles]

Biden's antics may not be at all necessary to send propellant prices into the "1 share of WalMart" stratum, but I doubt that'd stop him, if he thought there was political hay to be made, there. After 47+ years of wrong positions on darned near EVERYthing, I doubt he's low on the capacity to make MORE stupid moves.
Sad part is, he doesn't REALLY have to. We're already so bereft of primers, they don't really HAVE to cut the supply of anything else to disarm us. They'll never take all the guns the American Public owns, so they'll just make them incredibly difficult or expensive to use. THIS is how they'll win, if we let them.

If they take all the gun then primers and powder will be worthless.

Tim

[DW475]

The price gougers are out in force. No powder or primers on the shelves in my area. Somebody consigned 9mm ammo at one of the local shops for $55 a box and people are actually buying it. Pretty sad.

[stubshaft]

Small rifle and pistol primers are sold out in my neck of the woods, except for one lonely gun shop that will sell them to you at only 100 primers per visit? for $5.50 a box. Needless to say I will no longer support him nor will I send anyone to him.

[tomme boy]

I lucked out this spring at a gun show. A guy there was selling off all of his stock from a store he closed. I got 21lbs of Tac for $8/lb. 16lbs 231 win, for $7/lb. And 10K 41 cci primers for $24/1K. Been stacking it deep for the last 2 years.

Last year I finally got into primers from the beginning of the BOZO years. Where I am short is soft lead. Linotype i have more than I will ever need. But as I am running out of soft to mix it with I am probably going to just shoot all lino. FIL bought out a printing shop and also bought several thousand lbs at auctions. He past away and I got most of it.

[Froogal]

If they take all the gun then primers and powder will be worthless.

Tim

And if they take all the powder and primers, then guns will be worthless.

[dtknowles]

And if they take all the powder and primers, then guns will be worthless.

If they take all the powder and primers I will make my own powder and primers. If they take all the guns I will make what guns I can but it is easier to make powder and primers than it is to make a gun. I actually don't worry about either case they are not going to take all the guns or ban all ammo. They may ban (or make class 3) some more guns and tax the bejebers out of ammo.

Tim

[Froogal]

If they take all the powder and primers I will make my own powder and primers. If they take all the guns I will make what guns I can but it is easier to make powder and primers than it is to make a gun. I actually don't worry about either case they are not going to take all the guns or ban all ammo. They may ban (or make class 3) some more guns and tax the bejebers out of ammo.

Tim

Ammo will not be banned. It will simply be bought and hoarded by the liberals. Just like is happening right now.

[762 shooter]

"They" have a problem.

Who is going to take the guns? They have defunded the police.

Military can't do domestic.

Well, I guess the Blue helmet guys might try, but good luck with that.

Us turning them in is their only option, good luck with that. There is plenty of ammo to go with plenty of guns.

BugIn

[farmbif]

as powder gets more and more difficult to get there will be more and more new shooters wondering how they can reload 9mm with 4831 and stuff like that

[leadeye]

I'm betting the uncertainty will go on for quite a while, guns/ammo will not likely be the first order of business for JOHO&Co. There just isn't dc sized money involved for the interested parties.

[worker]

Same process as did that in Australia ?
I know we in US keep thinking that we have the Constriction on our side... but if the highest office election can be stolen, do we ?

Why do we think we are different than the Australians ?


"They" have a problem.

Who is going to take the guns? They have defunded the police.

Military can't do domestic.

Well, I guess the Blue helmet guys might try, but good luck with that.

Us turning them in is their only option, good luck with that. There is plenty of ammo to go with plenty of guns.

BugIn

[BigAlofPa.]

I stopped at Cabelas today.
They had a decent selection of powders. No primers. Plenty of dies. Some brass. I was looking for brass for my Argentine mauser. No luck. I didn't buy any thing . Didn't hurt to look. So if anyone is near the Hamburg Pa store. And needs powder desperately. It's an option.

[Shawlerbrook]

I think everything will be short in the next year or two.

[dtknowles]

Same process as did that in Australia ?
I know we in US keep thinking that we have the Constriction on our side... but if the highest office election can be stolen, do we ?

Why do we think we are different than the Australians ?

Are you familiar with the SCOTUS rulings regarding the second amendment? We must be allowed to keep and bear arms. Anything that makes it impossible to keep and bear arms is unconstitutional and would be thrown out. That would probably include taxes on guns or ammo that make guns and ammo unaffordable for most people. Almost anything else is allowed by the constitution. Banning or high taxes on some guns, limits on magazine capacity, taxes on ammo that make it real expensive to shoot a lot but not so expensive that you couldn't afford to fill a few 10 round magazines at the price of a days labor. The court set a very high bar for something to be consider an infringement of our second amendment rights. Basically if most law abiding people can get and have in their home a gun and ammo that is all that the court says must be assured. The court says you have the right to defend yourself with a firearm in your home. It went so far as to say that since handguns are most peoples first choice for self-defense jurisdictions can't ban handguns. That was back before the conservative majority of SCOTUS justices was as large as it is today.

National bans or high taxes seems unlikely as it would be blocked by the senate even with a Democrat majority because of the filibuster and of course the backlash that would get Democrats in swing states voted out of the senate. Other blue states can follow California, New York, Connecticut etc. can ban or tax whatever guns, ammo, magazines they want if they can pass it in their state up to but not past the point where it becomes a total ban.

Tim

[perotter]

If they take all the powder and primers I will make my own powder and primers. If they take all the guns I will make what guns I can but it is easier to make powder and primers than it is to make a gun. I actually don't worry about either case they are not going to take all the guns or ban all ammo. They may ban (or make class 3) some more guns and tax the bejebers out of ammo.

Tim

Same here. Primers are a lot of work time making and a bit of pain, but safe enough. Also I have to be in the right frame of mind to make them.

Smoky powder isn't as big of a deal to make and used several pounds of it. Smokeless is a bit more work and one really should have equipment to test it when making it for full power rounds. But smokeless for practice rounds isn't to bad, depending on the base one starts with.

By the way, I have at least one gun of each type that has chrome lined barrels to minimize the effects of corrosive salts when using corrosive primers or corrosive powers.

[gnappi]

Ammo will not be banned. It will simply be bought and hoarded by the liberals. Just like is happening right now.

If Libtards are actually doing that, it's the first I've heard it.

[bangerjim]

Once you start paying $200.00 for a tax stamp for EACH semi-auto gun (AR's, shotguns, and pistols - revolvers are OK - for now) you ALREADY own and an additional $200.00 for EACH 10+ round magazine you ALREADY own (or pay a fine per occurrence of $10K / 10 years in the pen) who cares about primers and powders! Bozo O'Rourke's storm troupers will be checking every gun range, shooting parlor, and back-woods holler for those stamps and "papers, please" proof of your payment.

Just hope and pray we win the Republican seats in GA!!!!!!! My hope for Trump's pulling this election reversal off is now down to <10%.


banger:violin:

[dtknowles]

Once you start paying $200.00 for a tax stamp for EACH semi-auto gun (AR's, shotguns, and pistols - revolvers are OK - for now) you ALREADY own and an additional $200.00 for EACH 10+ round magazine you ALREADY own (or pay a fine per occurrence of $10K / 10 years in the pen) who cares about primers and powders! Bozo O'Rourke's storm troupers will be checking every gun range, shooting parlor, and back-woods holler for those stamps and "papers, please" proof of your payment.

Just hope and pray we win the Republican seats in GA!!!!!!! My hope for Trump's pulling this election reversal off is now down to <10%.


banger:violin:

We don't need the GA seats, SCOTUS is Packed and we have the filibuster. Won't even need a filibuster, some democrats will not vote for gun control. Joe Manchin for one.

Tim

[Idaho45guy]

Powder shortage already occurred here a couple of months ago. First it was the more popular rifle powders, then the popular pistol powders, and now everything is gone locally.

When things were starting to disappear in February and March, I stocked up enough for a year, thinking most shortages are over and I would be fine. Now, it's been almost a year and no end in sight.

I think the new normal should be to stock up enough for at least 5 years.

[worker]

I think I am familiar. Although I am far from being educated in history or in law.

But stealing election by voter fraud covered up by 'plausible deniability' defense, is unconstitutional as well, I assume.

If the fraud results will be thrown out, I would believe that SCOTUS can protect the Constitution.

Otherwise, gradual de-Constitutionalization of the country is very believable and may be inevitable.

The detailed mechanisms may still be unclear, but the overall strategy of 'slow boiling a frog' with periodic pacification of suspecting populous (usually by pretense of opposition by the RINOs) , is very clear.

Sometimes I feel (but have no evidence of this) ... that GOP voters, voting RINOs (eg Bush, McCain, Romney, Collins, Boehner, P. Ryan, etc) -- is what actual embolden the enemies of the Republic to go as aggressively and as deep as they did in the last decade or so.

I do not disagree with what you are saying, but one can come up with 100s of ways to, gradually, make firearm ownership by general public, illegal.

Living through a real anti-constitutional coup, is not something that most of us have experience with....

And, therefore, we probably do not have the type of 'immune system' that would help us to detect small traces of malignancy, especially if it is administered little-by-little throughout all the channels of influence.



Are you familiar with the SCOTUS rulings regarding the second amendment? We must be allowed to keep and bear arms. Anything that makes it impossible to keep and bear arms is unconstitutional and would be thrown out. ......

[dkonrai]

I lucked out this spring at a gun show. A guy there was selling off all of his stock from a store he closed. I got 21lbs of Tac for $8/lb. 16lbs 231 win, for $7/lb. And 10K 41 cci primers for $24/1K. Been stacking it deep for the last 2 years.

Last year I finally got into primers from the beginning of the BOZO years. Where I am short is soft lead. Linotype i have more than I will ever need. But as I am running out of soft to mix it with I am probably going to just shoot all lino. FIL bought out a printing shop and also bought several thousand lbs at auctions. He past away and I got most of it.I'm the opposite. I've got pure lead but no typeset. Hmmm

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[bruce381]

me to maybe we team up and send a few 100 lbs for trade

[3856imp]

I think you need to be able to load what you expect to need. For life. This amount might be less than you think. After load development for my sons 35 rem he shot 3 rounds. 2 more than needed. That box has 5years of hunting left. If you want to go to war make sure you have your will done

[GregLaROCHE]

Small rifle and pistol primers are sold out in my neck of the woods, except for one lonely gun shop that will sell them to you at only 100 primers per visit? for $5.50 a box. Needless to say I will no longer support him nor will I send anyone to him.

No comment on the price, but I think it’s good thing selling small quantities of primers to various individuals, instead of letting one or two buy them all. That’s taking care of his customers.

[truckerdave397]

Small rifle and pistol primers are sold out in my neck of the woods, except for one lonely gun shop that will sell them to you at only 100 primers per visit? for $5.50 a box. Needless to say I will no longer support him nor will I send anyone to him.

Don’t be too hard on him. Primers are going for four times that amount on gunbroker.

[Cargo]

How many different powders are being imported from Australia?

[memtb]

We don't need the GA seats, SCOTUS is Packed and we have the filibuster. Won't even need a filibuster, some democrats will not vote for gun control. Joe Manchin for one.

Tim

Tim, if the dems take Georgia, the SCOTUS will not remain at 9, they will put in as many as needed to fulfill their agenda. There is also a high probability that with that with the senate majority, the filibuster will disappear and they will convert a few territories into statehood. These “NEW” states “WILL” side with the dems..... the dems will forever rule the country! Our Republic, Our Constitution, our Bill of Rights will cease to exist! The marxists/socialists/democrats have been slowly driving our nation in that direction since the early 1900’s (President Wilson)! memtb

[dtknowles]

Tim, if the dems take Georgia, the SCOTUS will not remain at 9, they will put in as many as needed to fulfill their agenda. There is also a high probability that with that with the senate majority, the filibuster will disappear and they will convert a few territories into statehood. These “NEW” states “WILL” side with the dems..... the dems will forever rule the country! Our Republic, Our Constitution, our Bill of Rights will cease to exist! The marxists/socialists/democrats have been slowly driving our nation in that direction since the early 1900’s (President Wilson)! memtb

I don't see any of that happening even if the Dems get a 1 seat Senate majority. There are some Democrats from Red States that would not go along.

The Senate won't/doesn't make new States. Puerto Rico can do it if they want and maybe other states could divide in to multiple states but that again has nothing to do with the Senate.

Tim

[memtb]

I don't see any of that happening even if the Dems get a 1 seat Senate majority. There are some Democrats from Red States that would not go along.

The Senate won't/doesn't make new States. Puerto Rico can do it if they want and maybe other states could divide in to multiple states but that again has nothing to do with the Senate.

Tim


Tim, I won’t argue. I can only hope that you are right and I am wrong! I just see our nation on a very rapid descent into socialism.....with little to stop it! The pace of our Nation’s decline has increased exponentially in the last 15 years or so! memtb

[snowwolfe]

My prediction is within 6 months $50 a pound for pistol powder and $100 a brick for small pistol primers will be a bargin.

[Ed K]

Tim, I won’t argue. I can only hope that you are right and I am wrong! I just see our nation on a very rapid descent into socialism.....with little to stop it! The pace of our Nation’s decline has increased exponentially in the last 15 years or so! memtb

I would say 9-11-2001 was the inflection point. Civil liberties have been encroached upon as you say beginning not long afterwards under the guise of patriotism. The exponential curve referred to has not been altered significantly by the political party holding office either.

Anyhow? Is powder shortage next? Sure, if next=now!

[memtb]

Ed, Very accurately said! memtb

[Hogtamer]

No predictions but the Cabelas in Augusta Ga had not a grain of any powder today. They had a few boxes of ammo in calibers I never heard of but of all things, some 22 WMR CCI 40 gr game point. I bought a couple of boxes and realized after I left should have bought it all.

[Shawlerbrook]

If the Democrats win both Georgia seats, the VP will break the ties and the filibuster will be history. Remember, Harry Reid already got rid of it for certain issues. If you don’t believe that universal background checks, “assault weapon” ban, taxes, insurance,etc. will happen then come and visit a blue state . Any democratic Senator that bucks the left will be gone the next election. This is the most serious threat to the Second Amendment ever.

[dtknowles]

If the Democrats win both Georgia seats, the VP will break the ties and the filibuster will be history. Remember, Harry Reid already got rid of it for certain issues. If you don’t believe that universal background checks, “assault weapon” ban, taxes, insurance,etc. will happen then come and visit a blue state . Any democratic Senator that bucks the left will be gone the next election. This is the most serious threat to the Second Amendment ever.

I think the most serious threat to the Second Amendment was the GCA of 1968.

I don't think that even if they have 50 democrats they can get all of them to vote for gun control. Do you think Joe Manchin from West Virginia will vote for more gun control. He has a pro second amendment track record. He has an A rating with the NRA, better than some Republicans. Manchin will not be outed by the left, no lefty could win the Democrat primary in West Virginia.

Tim

[Ickisrulz]

I think the most serious threat to the Second Amendment was the GCA of 1968.

I don't think that even if they have 50 democrats they can get all of them to vote for gun control. Do you think Joe Manchin from West Virginia will vote for more gun control. He has a pro second amendment track record. He has an A rating with the NRA, better than some Republicans. Manchin will not be outed by the left, no lefty could win the Democrat primary in West Virginia.

Tim

I don't know what Joe Manchin's rating currently is, but in 2018 he had a D rating. I don't know if he is a solid 2A supporter.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/404963-nra-releases-add-targeting-sen-manchin

[remy3424]

Ammo will not be banned. It will simply be bought and hoarded by the liberals. Just like is happening right now.

Are you calling most of the members here liberals? I would guess most sterotypical liberals don't have firearms, they would be scare of them and I think your are about a hundred miles off on that comment. You are saying the liberals, people that likey don't own firearms, will just use their decretionary money to purchase ammo, that they have no use for, just to make it more difficult for the shooters who hadn't prepared, to enjoy shooting? Folks with money didn't amass it by doing stupid crap like that. How many 10s or 100s of millions did they spend to buy out all the supply? Now they must be renting warehouses to store it in...or maybe sent it straight to the landfill. Well, that kind of thinking really seems to be...rethought. That is the type of posts you see in the pit by some here...keep that dribble in the pit please.

[dtknowles]

I don't know what Joe Manchin's rating currently is, but in 2018 he had a D rating. I don't know if he is a solid 2A supporter.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/404963-nra-releases-add-targeting-sen-manchin

I may be even more out of date then you I was using what I found searching. He was A rate at one time

[Idaho45guy]

Are you calling most of the members here liberals? I would guess most sterotypical liberals don't have firearms, they would be scare of them and I think your are about a hundred miles off on that comment. You are saying the liberals, people that likey don't own firearms, will just use their decretionary money to purchase ammo, that they have no use for, just to make it more difficult for the shooters who hadn't prepared, to enjoy shooting? Folks with money didn't amass it by doing stupid crap like that. How many 10s or 100s of millions did they spend to buy out all the supply? Now they must be renting warehouses to store it in...or maybe sent it straight to the landfill. Well, that kind of thinking really seems to be...rethought. That is the type of posts you see in the pit by some here...keep that dribble in the pit please.

I didn't get what you got from his post at all. He was in no way calling folks here liberals.

He was simply pointing out that many of the millions of new gun owners this past year were liberals, and that they are also buying all the ammo they can find. They have no idea what ammo has historically been worth, so $800 for a case of 9mm does not seem that out of line for them.

Plus, we have seen large multi-billion dollar corporations that are leftist controlled scooping up firearm industry companies and then running them into the ground, destroying them.

Leftists at the top of the food chain are not stupid. They crave power and control and are using their vast resources and influence to crush any conservative resistance.

We have been in a cold war for decades with leftists that want to destroy freedom and liberty. We have lost every battle so far. Now, the war is about to go hot, and it will be a horrific time for most people in the US.

[TonyR]

I was lucky enough to stock up in the spring before all hell broke loose and prices shot through the roof. Now as everyone is aware primers and most projectiles are all sold out everywhere. Looking at Grafs powder prices they havent increased yet but some of the popular powders are beginning to sell out. I just ordered more powders just to make sure. I have some extra cash and I figured prices will only go up from here so i ordered more powders. Have been using Vectan powders lately for most pistols but I decided to try their rifle powder too. Varget, BLC2, CFE223, H335, H4895 and many other popular choices are already sold out. Good ole Biden and his cabinet will make powder prices surge I'm afraid. I hope I'm wrong on that one though.

I wish I’d had your hindsight on the primers lol. Can’t find any around here


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