Powder coating and Glocks

[jerry p.]

I know you are not supposed to shoot cast bullets out of a Glock, but can you shoot powder coated bullets in them? I am thinking about trying to start powder coating. Thanks - Jerry

[ioon44]

How do you know that you are not supposed to shoot cast bullets out of a Glock?

[Brass&Lead]

These might be helpful:
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=59#:~:text=Years%20ago%2C%20when%20several%20Glo ck,in%20polygonal%20barrels%20was%20born.


https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/the-myth-about-polygonal-barrels-cast-bullets.1507453/

[jerry p.]

Thanks guys.

[rickiesrevenge]

Glock also says you're not supposed to shoot reloads either.

[rockshooter]

to answer the question- yup, you can shoot PC bullets in Glocks.
Loren

[kevin c]

Coated bullets (HiTek, specifically) have been all my OEM Glock barrels have seen for years. PC or HiTek, so long as the coating was cured properly and there's no mechanical damage (scraping during seating) there shouldn't be any alloy exposure and therefore no barrel leading. It's the leading that caused the high pressure concerns in polygonally rifled barrels used by Glock.

[Driver man]

I cast and shoot 4 different boolit types in my Glocks . I powder coat and size to .358 with excellent results . I have zero leading and clean up is a simple pull through. By last count of primers I have shot about 15000 rounds of powder coated cast boolits. When I initially began shooting cast I did check for lead build up very often but found no problems. My lead mix for 9mm is range lead and wheel weights 50/50.

[6622729]

There are two issues with shooting reloads and cast boolits in Glocks. The factory barrel rifling is prone to leading and the chambers are partially unsupported to aid chambering reliability which lends itself to the greater potential of a ruptured case from a reload. The powder coating can take care of the leading issue but it does nothing for the unsupported chamber. I replace all of my Glock barrels with KKM stainless steel match barrels with fully supported chambers. KKM actually advertises these barrels as suitable reloads and cast lead. They're about $170 each but they are one time, lifetime purchases and worth it to me to try to prevent a weak case from potentially injuring me.

[nicholst55]

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?33855-The-Truth-about-Glocks-and-Cast

[ioon44]

The best solution I found for issues with Glocks was to replace them with Walther PPQ's, .

[farmbif]

put a non poly angled rifled barrel in the Glock was my forever solution and no longer deal with bulged brass either

[wrench]

I only shoot 9mm and .45ACP Glocks so the .40's may be different. I've shot many thousands of PC and Hitek coated bullets with exactly zero issues.
No problems with bulged brass, either.

[kevin c]

My understanding and personal experience is that the "guppy bellied" brass mainly happened in 40 S&W Glock barrels of a certain vintage. I didn't see much of it in my 40 loads, which admittedly never pushed the envelope velocity or pressure wise, and didn't see any in 9mm (all Gen 3 models with factory barrels). I've heard that the barrels were redesigned to prevent the problem. I don't know that for a fact, but do know that I haven't seen much bulged brass like that in many years.

[Dragonheart]

I cast and shoot 4 different boolit types in my Glocks . I powder coat and size to .358 with excellent results . I have zero leading and clean up is a simple pull through. By last count of primers I have shot about 15000 rounds of powder coated cast boolits. When I initially began shooting cast I did check for lead build up very often but found no problems. My lead mix for 9mm is range lead and wheel weights 50/50.

Driver, when you say "Excellent Results" are you referring to the PC fired and the bullet left a clean barrel or do you mean accuracy. PC bullets do leave a clean barrel even in polygonal rifled barrels.

But, I have not done Ransom Rest Testing, although not extensive with several different, but identical loads, with only the bullet sizing different I have found no increase in accuracy by over sizing bullets. If fact to the contrary as bullets were over sized the group size increased in every case.

[Conditor22]

I'm not sure you can powder coat plastic:-D

[Chris S]

I shoot PC'd 9mm slugs in both a 9mm aftermarket barrel as well as a 357 Sig aftermarket barrel in my Glock. No issues at all and no more bulging. I hate that...crappy way to make a barrel, don't care if they think it's better for reliability. No one else does that and thier guns are plenty reliable. I do like the fact that I can change from 9mm to 40S&W to 357Sig with just a barrel and mag and one minute of time...pretty stinkin' neat.
Chris

[Driver man]

Driver, when you say "Excellent Results" are you referring to the PC fired and the bullet left a clean barrel or do you mean accuracy. PC bullets do leave a clean barrel even in polygonal rifled barrels.

But, I have not done Ransom Rest Testing, although not extensive with several different, but identical loads, with only the bullet sizing different I have found no increase in accuracy by over sizing bullets. If fact to the contrary as bullets were over sized the group size increased in every case.

Dragonheart, I get excellent results in every way with powder coating. Zero leading with excellent accuracy. I size to .358 through habit as when first casting and loading 9mm my CZ75 and Glock 17 I had keyholing and leading until getting alloy right, size to .358 and dropping powder charge a tad. When I tried powder coating I have just followed on with what has worked. I check my accuracy at 25metres from a rest and the most accurate 9mm is the Glock 34 shooting a 125grain conical pc and sized .358 with a 4.7grain charge of Unique. I use powder obtained from smoke and really like the translucent copper.

[Dragonheart]

Dragonheart, I get excellent results in every way with powder coating. Zero leading with excellent accuracy. I size to .358 through habit as when first casting and loading 9mm my CZ75 and Glock 17 I had keyholing and leading until getting alloy right, size to .358 and dropping powder charge a tad. When I tried powder coating I have just followed on with what has worked. I check my accuracy at 25metres from a rest and the most accurate 9mm is the Glock 34 shooting a 125grain conical pc and sized .358 with a 4.7grain charge of Unique. I use powder obtained from smoke and really like the translucent copper.

I understand why, but I had to adjust my thinking when I got into powder coating because I was no longer greasing bullets and depending on the alloy to seal and withstand the torque of spin-up. I was now making jacketed bullets. A properly coated & cured PC bullet is a jacketed bullet and the polymer jacket does what a copper jacket does, with the exception there is no copper fouling. Alloy is also no longer a big deal if you PC for handguns. I use the same reloading data for jacketed bullets whether they are copper of PC.

Attached is my 25 yard test target for my IDPA 100 grain Glock 34 load.

[kevin c]

That's great shooting, there, Dragon heart!

100 grains? Light and fast, that one. I use plodding great 148 grain slugs.

I kinda thought that polymer coatings, whether PC or HiTek, were acting mainly as a barrier (and dry lubricant, maybe?) between bullet and bore. Isn't the engraving by the rifling deeper than the coating? I was thinking the alloy of the bullet still was the major player in obturation by upset and in spin up?

[GARD72977]

My experience is alloy becomes less important and sizing becomes more important.

Slightly undersized coated bullets are much worse that lubed bullets.

[Dragonheart]

That's great shooting, there, Dragon heart!

100 grains? Light and fast, that one. I use plodding great 148 grain slugs.

I kinda thought that polymer coatings, whether PC or HiTek, were acting mainly as a barrier (and dry lubricant, maybe?) between bullet and bore. Isn't the engraving by the rifling deeper than the coating? I was thinking the alloy of the bullet still was the major player in obturation by upset and in spin up?

I just wish I could group like that at 25 yards, no all my testing is done with a ransom rest, so I can take the human element out as much as possible.

As far as the polymer jacket, it has several properties that make it very unusual. The polymer is much slicker than copper or lubed alloy, this results in an approximate 5% in muzzle velocity increase compared to identical load data for copper jackets. This increase in velocity is due to lesser friction and as a side benefit gun barrels run cooler. The coating can be as hard as 3H+ so it's as hard as copper. The PC has a tenacious bond to the alloy, unlike copper, which at higher pressures can break free from the soft inner core. The rifling, which is about .004" from land to groove, poses no problem as the polymer is also flexible and simply contours to the rifling and the coating still encases the inner alloy.

i do double coat rifle bullets
to get a +3 mil build out. This was the recommendation of a PHD polymer physicist who calculated this PC thickness would withstand the torque spin-up of a full power 30/06 load generating in the area of 50K chamber pressure. By personal tests, I long since found he was absolutely correct. I do think a slightly harder alloy may be an accuracy benefit, but until we can correct the inerrant flaw of non-concentric cast bullets doing a battery of comparative tests present a problem.

Simply put, PC is making your own jacketed bullets.

[Lloyd Smale]

any cast bullet does fine in a glock. I think glock says not to because they know your handloading to use them and dont trust your handloads. Pc works great too. Much cleaner.

[Dragonheart]

The problem with lubed cast bullets in a Glock is the sharp barrel rifling that tends to strip lead, leaving heavy deposits in the barrel. These deposits build up, destroy accuracy and increase pressure. The worst barrel leading I ever saw were Glock's used n IDPA shooting cast bullets. I helped a couple of new guys de-lead their barrels and I have never seen barrels leaded up that bad.

Since PC creates a slick, hard and flexible polymer jacket that bonds to the alloy stripping lead is no longer a problem.

[cwlongshot]

Zero worries.

Properly PC'd bullets ARE JACKETED.

CW

[jerry p.]

Thanks for all the info, I have powder coming. Jerry

[Handloader109]

first gen Glocks had one side unsupported. Been fixed for a decade. I shot a bunch if pc in my 9mm no issue, I did change to an aftermarket as I wanted a threaded barrel. Had to get Douguy to fix throat as it along with the rest of the chamber is way tighter than the oem

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[Lloyd Smale]

The problem with lubed cast bullets in a Glock is the sharp barrel rifling that tends to strip lead, leaving heavy deposits in the barrel. These deposits build up, destroy accuracy and increase pressure. The worst barrel leading I ever saw were Glock's used n IDPA shooting cast bullets. I helped a couple of new guys de-lead their barrels and I have never seen barrels leaded up that bad.

Since PC creates a slick, hard and flexible polymer jacket that bonds to the alloy stripping lead is no longer a problem.

Ive shot ALOT of cast through glocks ALOT. Never seen any real leading when the bullet was fit to the gun and hard alloys and good lubes were used. Matter of fact when i first got my 20 i figured with the additional speed cast might now work so i bought a wolf barrel for it. Found the factory barrel shot cast better and didnt lead a lick. I have no doubt though that pc is even better in them. especially with softer alloys. Im sure a 8bhn bullet lubed would probably lead at full power but then it would in at a 1000 fps in most guns. About guarantee it at 1200fps. At least minor leading. Problem with most competitive shooters is they buy bullets and buy the cheapest they can find. Most of them are on the soft side.

[fredj338]

There are two issues with shooting reloads and cast boolits in Glocks. The factory barrel rifling is prone to leading and the chambers are partially unsupported to aid chambering reliability which lends itself to the greater potential of a ruptured case from a reload. The powder coating can take care of the leading issue but it does nothing for the unsupported chamber. I replace all of my Glock barrels with KKM stainless steel match barrels with fully supported chambers. KKM actually advertises these barrels as suitable reloads and cast lead. They're about $170 each but they are one time, lifetime purchases and worth it to me to try to prevent a weak case from potentially injuring me.

The unsupported chamber thing is pretty much a myth unless you run nuclear loads. I have been loading & shooting cast in Glocks since the 1st gen1 9mm. With coated bullets, zero issues, just like shooting plated. As to handloads, its a CYA statement for the idiot reloader that KBs a gun.

[Lloyd Smale]

The unsupported chamber thing is pretty much a myth unless you run nuclear loads. I have been loading & shooting cast in Glocks since the 1st gen1 9mm. With coated bullets, zero issues, just like shooting plated. As to handloads, its a CYA statement for the idiot reloader that KBs a gun.

yup if you just throttle them back a grain or two of powder the glock bulge goes away. really even most full power loads in the loading manuals are nurtured enough to prevent it. Its mostly a problem with factory ammo.

[jerry p.]

Thanks guys. I have powder on the way.

[BNE]

I have loaded and shot several thousand powder coated bullets through Glocks. The only thing I have to show for it is a nice shiny barrel. And if I do my part, good accuracy.

[cwlongshot]

i have loaded and shot several thousand powder coated bullets through glocks. The only thing i have to show for it is a nice shiny barrel. And if i do my part, good accuracy.
100%!!

Cw

[Taterhead]

Almost 100% of my ammo shot through Glocks are coated cast, and most of those are PC. PC cast bullets are simply great. And I am not a low volume shooter.

Honestly, the Glock bulge thing is WAY over hyped. Example, I run 10mm PC 200 gr bullets to 1250 fps in the stock G20 barrel. Smoking hot ammo. No bulge. No leading. Brass resizes fine and passes a gauge virtually 100% of the time. Similar experiences with 40 S&W and 9mm Glocks.

So, yes. I recommend PC bullets for Glocks without reservation.

[Taterhead]

yup if you just throttle them back a grain or two of powder the glock bulge goes away. really even most full power loads in the loading manuals are nurtured enough to prevent it. Its mostly a problem with factory ammo.

There is only one load that has ever bulged a case out of my Glocks. I suspect it to be a bad load printed in the Hornady manual, and that wouldn't be the first time they've had a load that needed to be corrected: 10mm 800-x under a 180 gr XTP. Hornady's data is far higher than Hodgdon's. I did not even quite reach max when the infamous smile reared its ugly head.

Otherwise, full power 9, 40 and 10mm have been good to go in my Gen 3 and Gen 4 Glocks.

[cwlongshot]

800X is a good powder for heavy 10mm. BUT IT IS volatile AND GOES TOO FAR FAST!!!

When working up ys need go REAL REAL SLOW! You can get very impressive numbers but ya need be diligent and have good repeatable reloading Practices. .

[Taterhead]

800X is a good powder for heavy 10mm. BUT IT IS volatile AND GOES TOO FAR FAST!!!

When working up ys need go REAL REAL SLOW! You can get very impressive numbers but ya need be diligent and have good repeatable reloading Practices. .

I tend to ageee. 800-X has been the only powder that gave odd results in 10mm.

Some folks swear by 800-X, but it never wowed me. Plus the fact that it must be dropped and trickled, I abandoned it after a couple pounds. I saw that Hodgdon is discontinuing it, and I am not in any way mourning. No. 9 is my undisputed favorite for hot/heavy 10mm.

[mike4045]

I have been powder coating all my cast bullets, they have been fantastic in the glock , 1000's of rounds shot with no issue!

[jessdigs]

I shoot powder coated cast bullets all the time from my glocks, sigs, and shield. Never a problem, no leading.


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[Meatpuppet]

Ive shot over 50K rounds of The Blue Bullets 147 coated through my G34. No issues. I did replace the Factory recoil spring with a 13lb recoil spring.

[fredj338]

The problem with lubed cast bullets in a Glock is the sharp barrel rifling that tends to strip lead, leaving heavy deposits in the barrel. These deposits build up, destroy accuracy and increase pressure. The worst barrel leading I ever saw were Glock's used n IDPA shooting cast bullets. I helped a couple of new guys de-lead their barrels and I have never seen barrels leaded up that bad.

Since PC creates a slick, hard and flexible polymer jacket that bonds to the alloy stripping lead is no longer a problem.

Never seen sharp rifling in a stock polygon glock barrel.

[fredj338]

800X is a good powder for heavy 10mm. BUT IT IS volatile AND GOES TOO FAR FAST!!!

When working up ys need go REAL REAL SLOW! You can get very impressive numbers but ya need be diligent and have good repeatable reloading Practices. .

I bought a # of 800x for my 10mm, totally unimpressed with accuracy v vel with that powder, plus its a pita to meter, pretty much hand weighed charges. AA#9 blows 800x away imo with 200gr bullets, but jmo.

[Dragonheart]

Never seen sharp rifling in a stock polygon glock barrel.

That is true and you won't see it because visually looking at a polygon rifled barrel creates an optical illusion. As far as shooting lead lubed bullets the concerns is the difference between the bore as it really is and as what it appears to be.

[Dragonheart]

I shoot powder coated cast bullets all the time from my glocks, sigs, and shield. Never a problem, no leading.


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And there is no reason you should have leading because you are shooting jacketed bullets that are slicker than copper.

[jerry p.]

Thanks for all of the info. My powder came and now I need to find a toaster oven. Thanks - Jerry

[Iron369]

Thanks for all of the info. My powder came and now I need to find a toaster oven. Thanks - Jerry

Just from my experience, either don’t cheap out on a toaster oven or buy a convection oven. It’s tough to get consistent temperatures with a cheap oven.

[BNE]

In short, YES you can shoot powder coated bullets from a Glock with no issues. Assuming you follow al the good advice in this forum on how to do it.

I have a Glock 43X and a 34. Both have shot ONLY powder coated bullets. Thousands of them. All I have to show you for it is two shiny barrels.

[prs]

My Glock 23 with original barrel never did lead foul. I was given a Wolf barrel with real rifling and it leaded after just a few shots. Had the sharp leade relieved and it still leaded a bit. I went back to the Glock barrel and no problems. Powder coating works as intended too and I prefer it to lube sizing or coating with Liquid Alox/JPW; although that works too.

Vern

[jerry p.]

Hey guy's, does it matter what air soft BB you use in the case vibrator ? Thanks - Jerry

[cwlongshot]

Most prefer the BLACK COLORED ONES.

I have t seen an advantage but some do and swear buy them.

I dont say this to deter you. Only to show that they may or May not help. One thing I can ad is I have never read that they cause any kind of issue.

Good luck!

CW

[Dragonheart]

Hey guy's, does it matter what air soft BB you use in the case vibrator ? Thanks - Jerry

I tried red ones, but the black I first started with worked better. I think the sectional density is the difference. If you are fortunate enough to have low humidity levels you probably don't need them, but BB's do tend to cushion the bullets from banging into one another.

[jerry p.]

My kids shoot air soft, so I will see what colors they have. Thanks - Jerry

[Walks]

When I first tried PC the only ones I could find were green.
After about 6-7 batches of 75-100 bullets they lost there effectiveness.
Switched to black. PC'd about 5,000 bullets with the same black BB's, just add about 1/2 teaspoon every 400-500 bullets.

[jerry p.]

Thanks Walks. I will get the black bb's, my kids don't have any.

[iomskp]

This may have already been covered I haven't read all the replies, when I first bought my glock 34 I read all these stories of glocks blowing up caused by using lead projectiles, so I asked my gunsmith he had seen some, his reply was if they had cleaned them they would not have blown up in some he saw huge amounts of leading from never cleaning the guns, apparently some folks think glocks are indestructible and never need cleaning or any form of care.

[fcvan]

I shot over 2K lubed lead boolits in my Glock 22C before I read 'lead causes Glock Kaboom' and OMG. Since I didn't know, I didn't tell my Glocks, they behaved. Of course any serious shooter wouldn' let their guns get so clogged up that chamber pressures would cause failure. I treated my Glocks like I was taught, check often, at least once a box, give a peak. I only leaded one GLock, and it was not a Glock barrel, a LW drop in 9mm for my G22C. I tried sizing at .357 instead of my usual .358 as I had when I first started shooting 9mm. I traded that sizer off here, to someone who wanted/needed it more than me.

I never knew 9mm was supposed to be hard to load for, so I loaded it just as dad taught me in the mid 1970s when loading 38 and 41. That was back before the interwebs, where most myths originate. I applied the same principal and had success for 30 years, at least until I tried sizing them small. When first loading 9mm (my first pistol) I got lead from a range where all they fired was swaged hollow base wad cutters, and that is darn near pure lead. Nary a problem, even when firing 41 mag loads.

Enter PC, lead doesn't touch the bore if the boolits are clean. and the PC is cured per directions. I shoot .223 at 2450 fps using boolits cast from an NOE mold that does not have lube grooves or a gas check shank, sized to .225, and using 50-50 COWW/pure.

Glock advised against reloads, but there are factory loads with lubed boolits. They were just trying to cover their butts. A Kaboom investigation would show excessive lead buildup in either case. Kabooms, in my opinion, were caused by guns that were not inspected and cleaned regularly, by folks who likely were not instructed in basic care and maintenance when they purchased their firearm.

I have provided a lot of range training for folks with their 'first gun purchase' and didn't follow my instructions. Those instructions were 'meet me at (location, usually the club range) and bring your owners manual.' First question at the range was 'did you read the manual?' next was 'did you learn how to disassemble and reassemble as you would when cleaning?' 3rd was 'do you have cleaning gear?'

I only sent one home to get his manual while the others (we all worked together) pulled out their books and held them up, shaming the guy who didn't follow instructions. I had folks demonstrate take down and assembly which is a great time to reinforce rules about 3rd eye violations. Then let the 'fun' begin. Many other groups of new shooters, word got around, no one wanted to be 'that guy.'

Folks who did not yet have cleaning gear asked what I recommended, which was that we go to the LGS when we are done and let him recommend whats best for what task. I let them use my gear and showed them how.

LGS owner was a young guy, was a competitive shooter, and also a gunsmith. Throwing some newbs to a good shop was part of the deal. That shop was a hang out, like an old time Barber Shop, many happy hours spent.

[Walks]

I got a Glock 23 when they first came out in 1991-2. It still had the non-captive recoil spring. Since replaced, if only for ease of assembly/disassembly.
The only ammo that was available at the time was Federal 180gr Lead. It functioned perfectly from the first shot. I shot 150+rds the first time out. I'd wiped out the bore with Hoppe's before shooting, a bronze .44cal brush and 3 patches from an ancient solid 40cal cleaning rod.
Almost no leading at all. After that, I loaded the #40043 and some Hornady FMJ's. Cleaned about every 500rds.
In the early 2000's I started to hear stories about the Glock "kaboom". With My Kids I was heavy into Cowboy Shooting, so little attention was paid to Semi-Auto handguns. A couple years later a friend gave me a Wolf bbl. Said it would give better case head support and better accuracy. No more Glock "smile".
The first few years I had my 40cal Glock, I also had a S&W M4006. Loaded and shot the brass/ammo interchangeably. Never had any Glock malfunctions, and the M4006 just didn't like the #40043 bullet. Bought My Very First New Lee mold; a #401-175-TC. The M4006 liked that just fine.

I've heard all the talk about the Glock "kaboom". I keep my guns pretty clean. Never had any problems with my old Glock M17, maybe 10,000rds though it before I sold it to buy the M23.
I shoot the same loads thru all my 9mmx19 pistols. S&W M59, Walther P38 & P4 and My Daughter's SR9.

I've had the same experience with my Glock 21, same ball & combat loads as 2 Colt and 1 Springfield Armory 1911's. Function is just great with either OEM or Wolf bbl. Although neither bbl will feed the light, stubby load for my Gold Cup. All all loaded ammo will drop fit into the Ruger Blackhawk .45ACP cylinder. And even one of those chamber checkers.

[fcvan]

Walks, I hear you. When the 40 S&W came out, it killed the 41 Action Express. That and I could not find a barrel company that would cut one for my S&W 459 'not enough room.' And then S&W makes the 4006 on the 459 platform. As I was already shooting 41 M, I thought it would be cool to have a 41 AE.

I didn't set out to buy a Glock, certainly would not have bought the 22C as compensated guns are for the range, not for a carry weapon where night vision gets destroyed by the flash. I shot at an indoor range once, learned first hand. I had to, I needed to requalify quarterly for my off duty permit. Still, Wife comes home from a visit with family and she says 'got something for you.' Turns out, my brother bought it for his SIL who's Sheriff buddy had a 23, but wanted a 27, and only wanted what his agency price was. Wife paid the man and exchanges were made, registrations corrected. Anyway an older pistol but still a Gen 3.

Yes, my wife did not pay anything near retail. Being a LEO myself, I availed myself of many discounts. Both she and I have G22s, G23s, and G43s. She has a G22, I sold mine to a retired buddy, being retired he couldn't buy one in CA, go figure. Our G42s weren't sequential, but our G23s and G43s are, she likes that sort of thing. Her G22 Gen 4, was a commemorative for my agency. I bought 2, one for my brother when He retired, sequential to my wife's.

Back to the thing, The only time I leaded a 9mm was a Lone Wolf drop in 9mm conversion when I tried sizing to .357 when .358 has worked since the mid 1980s, in every 9mm I owned or shot. Dang, I bought drop in barrels for G22s, and G23s, and associated mags for myself, my wife, and my brother. I had to as my wife picks up brass every time before she shoots and all told handed me 15K of once fired 9mm. I had to load it all . . . and make AR 15 carbines for my wife and me, and my SIL, brother built his own. I also have a drop in for the G22 in 357 SIG as I had picked up so much range brass. Gee, at 1350 fps, it doesn't lead either.

Boolits constructed correctly, guns cleaned of copper and powder fouling, don't lead. Ever shoot black powder? That is an obstructed barrel in 50 rounds or less. Cool video out there of Hickok45 shooting BP through a 45 ACP Glock. One mag and the bore was very hot and very fouled, the kind of thing that leads to Kaboom, not lead alone. I love PC!

Oh, a buddy gunked up his gun with loads given to him, not from me. I taught him how to load, then cast, then powder coat. I told him to run a mag through it with PC boolits I gave him and check it. Poof, one mag, no lead. I also gave him a Lee lead pot, the mold we liked, an ESPC gun, and a pound of the purple his wife liked, as a retirement gift. I taught him later how to shake and bake. He's more like a brother than a friend. We met in church/college, worked in the oilfields together, went into law enforcement together, retired the same day. He still drops by and visits the folks when he visits his in laws.

[cwlongshot]

Ooh music to my ears!! Spread that 40 s&w love!!

[Walks]

CW,
Sometimes I think you are just a one trick pony.

[fredj338]

CW,
Sometimes I think you are just a one trick pony.

Biden says "one horse pony".:groner: