1892 Win loads for the 32 WCF High Velocity

[BobInAus]

Good morning gents, I have two 1892's one carbine and one rifle. Can anyone tell me about the 32 WCF HV or maybe enlighten me with regards to some loads that would duplicate the early ballistics for this cartridge. Any info. would be appreciated.

Bob

[ohiochuck]

Possibly this forum can help you 32-20 thread on the Marlin owners forum

https://www.marlinowners.com/threads/32-20-reloaders.85112/#post-974775

[cwtebay]

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[DAVIDMAGNUM]

Speer #13 Reloading manual has data for two pressure levels in the 32WCF. If I remember, the higher pressure load data is labeled for Thompson Center or Contender only. An 1892 Winchester in good condition would easily and safely fire those loads.

[Outpost75]

Some of the Speer .32-20 loads listed for the Contender are hotter than I would shoot in an original 1892 Winchester. What I've used as a guide so far, without getting into any trouble, is to use the STARTING load data for the .30 M1 Carbine in the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook, 4th Edition (2010) on p.142, in which the listed pressure is less than 30,000 cup.

#311359 115-grains No. 2 alloy

IMR4227 11.5 grs. 1497 fps @ 27,000 cup

[BobInAus]

Thanks a lot guys, there is something wrong if I can't get something happening out of all this info..
Bob

[David LaPell]

Somewhere I actually have original Winchester .32-20 brass that the headstamp is marked as the High Velocity, if I recall it was a lighter bullet and it was hot enough that it couldn't be used in some of the revolvers of the day, would probably make a really nice coyote round.

[tadpole]

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As related by Outpost above: 11g 4227 behind 115g hard cast hollow point. With a 1892 SRC circa 1912, turned this little dude inside out at something over 90 yards Saturday morning.

[cp1969]

Hodgdon #26 has some VERY warm loads for .32-20. Fired from a 7 1/2" Ruger (Blackhawk? It doesn't say)

85 grain .312" JHP, w/H110 -- Starting 1617 fps; Maximum 1783 fps
90 grain .312" JHP, w/H110 -- Start 1545, Max 1728
100 gr. .308" Plinker, w/H110 -- Start 1468, Max 1627
110 gr. .308" JRN, w/H110 -- Start 1380, Max 1561

The above loads are not on their website. The loads on the Hodgdon website all popgun loads, most of them under 1,000 fps.

You might be interested in this link. http://www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm
It adds shooting results to the reloading data.

[tarbe]

According to Ken Waters' Pet Loads, the 100gr HV topped out at 1,670 and 80gr at 2,050, this in the 1930s.

Ken's 100gr jacketed loads top out at just over 1,550 fps. Test rifle was a long-barreled Savage 23-C...and I may have missed it, but I didn't see where Ken said whether his loads were ok in the M-92.

My Browning 53 does well with H-110 and Hornady 100gr Jacketed at 2,000 fps.

[Idaho Mule]

Good morning gents, I have two 1892's one carbine and one rifle. Can anyone tell me about the 32 WCF HV or maybe enlighten me with regards to some loads that would duplicate the early ballistics for this cartridge. Any info. would be appreciated.

Bob

Hi Bob
I have a full box of Western Super X 32-20 Winchester (High Velocity) 80 grain open point exp. it says. On the end panels is the number 32203, I assume that is either lot number or item number. On the bottom of the box is printed:
These Western Cartridges are produced under exacting conditions for superior
accuracy and performance. The Lubaloy jacketed Open Point Expanding bullet is
designed to give high remaining velocity and flat trajectory with maximum
expansion, suitable for varmint and small game. Do NOT use in Pistols, Revolvers, or
Winchester M/73 Rifles. This ammunition is designed for use only in
Winchester and other standard arms, specifically chambered by the manufacturer
for this cartridge and so inscribed on the barrel. We warrant the exercise of
reasonable care in the manufacture of these cartridges; but make no other warranty
expressed or implied.
Muzzle Velocity 2100 feet per second. Muzzle energy 780 foot pounds.