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monkey wrangler
10-14-2020, 07:36 AM
What do you guys like to shoot at indoor ranges out of the nasty weather?
Outdoor ranges with longer lanes and steel targets maybe?
Or just out in the field down the road where there are no range officers and you shoot what you brought? Or is shooting more of a social thing for you

Personally I have shot at only a couple of indoor ranges a couple of times and the price is kind of high in my opinion. I would rather spend that money on lead and powder. But they are nice on the summer when it can be 118 where I live.

I have shot at only one outdoor range in my life and absoluty hated it. Waiting for them to call the range clear to adjust or fix targets took forever. The range officer also had a fit because I wanted to shoot more than one firearm during the day and refused to take the other firearms back to my truck even thought the firearms were cleared and chambered flagged he just wasn't having it. never went back and there really are not many outdoor within a hour drive from me anyways.

I usually go for a ride out the desert not far from the house and set up targets in front a very large hill. I go all out setting up a table and chairs as well as a easy up for shade. I then shoot what I want when I want and do it in a very safe manner all day for not much more than the cost of couple gallons of fuel and powder of course.

So what is your favorite?

Thumbcocker
10-14-2020, 09:36 AM
Weather permitting I prefer outdoor ranges for practice. Indoor ranges are dominated by magazine dumping 7 yard shooters in my area. My absolute favorite form of handgun shooting is to drive to Utah, find a hillside back in the boonies and shoot at various sized rocks on said hillside at distances from 20 to 300 yards. Elmer and Skeeter were right.

Froogal
10-14-2020, 10:07 AM
I am fortunate to have a shooting range right in my backyard, limited to about 80 yards, but that is enough. I also am involved in cowboy action, and ALL of that is outdoors. Never been to an indoor range, and probably never will.

Mal Paso
10-14-2020, 10:21 AM
Are you near Ben Avery Shooting Facility? They are open and you can reserve a spot. $9 a day for walk-ins, I think $7 with reservation. Huge place and the ROs are well trained.

dverna
10-14-2020, 10:30 AM
When I moved 8 years ago one or my first projects was a 100 yard range. This year I expanded it to 200 yards.

I prefer shooting rifle and pistol at "home on the range". Last year I build a bullet trap so I will likely never have to buy lead again.

For Trap shooting my lady friend wanted me to build a trap range, but I did not want to deal with broken clays so I shoot at the club for Trap. I have an area where I could set up a portable trap thrower and use biodegradable clays and that is under consideration.

I have had some less than satisfactory experiences at public rifle and pistol ranges. But I do miss an indoor range in the winter.

jimlj
10-14-2020, 10:34 AM
I live a mile away from an indoor range that is part of the city rec center. It's open in the evenings a couple nights a week during winter months. (around here that is about 6 months of the year) I usually go there a few times each winter. Nice to get out of the cold.
I live 5 miles from my preferred shooting spot, much like Thumbcocker described in Utah. Come to think of it, I live 4 miles from Utah, but where I shoot it's a Wyoming hillside.

sigep1764
10-14-2020, 10:44 AM
You know, growing up and into college it was all outdoors, roaming around acres upon acres all over Kansas. Now that Im her in STL, I appreciate the indoor range for a few different reasons. One being I can drive 1 mile and be there, making load development and access easy peasy. Two being its cold in the winter! And three, I don't feel quite as alone in this Democratic bastion of a city. Its the perfect example of how Do-Gooders can ruin, mismanage, and bankrupt a city.

RU shooter
10-14-2020, 10:57 AM
I shoot at a friends farm . I can't stand indoor pistol ranges . Been a member of private gun club that have 1-300 yd ranges it was ok long as there wasn't more than a few guys there . For some reason people other than me like to shoot the bull rather than their rifles when there's a group . Yeah all me anti social it fits .

trebor44
10-14-2020, 11:24 AM
Indoor range for sighting in. Outdoors (no range) for fun!

robg
10-14-2020, 11:40 AM
with our weather indoors wins but outdoor ranges are ok in decent weather .love to have my own range or freedom to just shoot where i want but where i live that aint possible.

Screwbolts
10-14-2020, 12:35 PM
I have never in my 6 plus decades lived any were that I couldn't have at least a 100 yard range on my property. For the lat 35 years I have had a 20 yd range in my back yard and a 30 yard range with bench right in front of my basement/shop door. It is hard for me to even be able to comprehend going to a different place to shoot.

Sven205
10-14-2020, 12:45 PM
I've been to an indoor range twice in my life. Outdoor public shooting ranges i've visited maybe 20 times, mostly WMA's.

All of my shooting is just in a field on the land I grew up on. That's what i'm used to so it's my favorite. Least favorite is indoor.

Kraschenbirn
10-14-2020, 01:07 PM
There's an indoor range less than a mile from my home and it's 28 miles to our club's outdoor range (with covered firing lines out to 300 yds). I've been inside the indoor exactly three times since they opened several years ago while I manage to make it to the club range, at least, once a week...winter months included.

Bill

MrWolf
10-14-2020, 01:49 PM
Shot at my place. Just built a 20'x16' utility shed with 4 double doors - pistol range side will have Dutch doors. That is a 25 yard setup. Still working on inside and the doors but they should be done by tomorrow hopefully. Have plans for rifle range on hill above it with an 8'x10' building and hopefully 50 yard, 100 yd, 200 & 300yds. That is scheduled for spring/summer.

375supermag
10-14-2020, 02:18 PM
Hi...
I have belonged to a local private gun club for over 40 years. We have a 200 yard rifle range, a 25 yard handgun range and a shotgun range for shooting clay birds. There is also an indoor rimfire range only...never use it.
A couple of years ago, I joined another private club with the same type of rifle and handgun ranges. No shotgun or indoor range. This club had steel plates at all ranges.

My son and I do our load development and accuracy testing at the first range. We use the second club for practice and just plain fun shooting. The second club allows pretty much any targets you want as long as you pick up after yourself. The first club only allows bullseye type paper targets... they don't even allow human silhouette type paper targets.

Years and years ago, I shot at indoor ranges for 25 yds handgun competitions. I still hate shooting indoors to this day...there are several indoor ranges within reasonable driving distance to my house but I have never used any of them. Boring and stupid expensive. I would rather spend my money on reloading components and firearms than on range fees.
The two clubs I belong to charge yearly memberships (actually I am a life member at the first club, so I don't have to pay a yearly membership fee any longer. I do make a yearly
cash contribution). Neither club charges a use fee other than the yearly membership and I don't have to make an appointment to use the range. I understand some of the other clubs in the area charge daily use fees and require scheduled appointments with time limits.

Conditor22
10-14-2020, 03:50 PM
I've never belonged to a gun club and the last time I shot at a range was in the late 60"s

I have a couple of friends the have ranges (up to 100 yards) but my shooting buddy and I prefer to shoot at the end of a logging road

https://i.imgur.com/PXgdB0J.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/47YTF4D.png

we've built boolit traps that will catch everything from 22lr to45/70 540 grns

1I-Jack
10-14-2020, 04:23 PM
Belong to two clubs. One indoor, pistols only. One outdoor, 200 yd max. They both have their own advantages. Not a fan of shooting in freezing temps unless there is potential meat at the other end of the shooting stick.

Txcowboy52
10-14-2020, 04:44 PM
I've never been to an outdoor range , shot at a few different indoor ranges, like others have said it seems kinda pricey . I can see the advantages to it. Some don't let you pick up your brass, or draw from your holster, I understand why but I don't care for it. I'm lucky enough to have my own range. Covered rife bench with 150 yards distance. One hundred yard pistol silhoettes four covered bays for shooters. Pistol range with well over 50 steel targets , 2 plate racks, Texas star, several reactive targets a backstop for paper or cardboard targets and a covered area with a picnic table. It's taken me several years and lots of hard work , but its sure nice to walk out my back door 20 yards and I'm on the range !!

Half Dog
10-14-2020, 06:07 PM
I’ve shot at both types of ranges but outdoors is the one that makes me feel good. Bad weather is fun and I usually have the range to myself during the summer heat.

richhodg66
10-14-2020, 06:18 PM
I despise indoor ranges. For many reasons. I'll brave some seriously bad weather conditions to shoot out doors.

Pressman
10-14-2020, 08:03 PM
The indoor range is club owned. We shoot rimfire all year long, every Monday. Centerfire pistol and low velocity rifle are allowed. Outdoor range is 3 miles from the house. It's small town, rural area with few rules, but no steel targets. The firing line is not the best layout but it works for us. Seldom crowded.
This winter we will be shooting rimfire, indoors in the back room of the local gunshop. Set a target on the floor and shoot away. This is position shooting for record by a few fat old curmudgeons.
It works for us and I don't have to drive 60 miles to the Cities to get to a commercial indoor range.

I can be thankful for what I have.

Ken

Adam20
10-14-2020, 08:20 PM
i prefer outside, shoot indoors a few times a year when it is to miserable cold and windy outside

gbrown
10-14-2020, 08:32 PM
1. I live in a warm climate where the weather is pretty good. Well, most of us have webbed feet from all the rain we usually get. 2. I belong to a gun club that is large (6 ranges from 600 yds to shotgun with trap house) with many members. However, most of the time its not crowded. Also, the majority of members (99%) are very respectful, helpful and considerate. They also practice range/gun safety at all times. 3. Our range safety officers are helpful, not little tyrants. Only time I've been in an indoor range was in the military. It was okay, but not very realistic.

Mal Paso
10-14-2020, 09:33 PM
Scottsdale Gun Club has to be the nicest indoor range I've been in. 4 lanes to a pod, 2" Plexi between lanes, HEPA filtered and Air Conditioned. Sign in was easy, price was comparable to other indoor ranges and the staff is very professional. If you know what you are doing you won't hear a word but they are very much on top errant shooters. Oh, and you can shoot just about anything.

All indoor ranges are very expensive if you shoot any of the hardware.

Last time I was at the Scottsdale Gun Club there was an M134D on a tripod in the lobby.

contender1
10-14-2020, 10:39 PM
My observations.
Folks who live in rural areas,, where access to open lands or open public places w/o any rules, restrictions, fees, or range safety officers almost always prefer that & hate any indoor range. They have never had restrictions upon them in how they enjoy the sport.

Indoor ranges,, are normally located in places with higher population densities, where open casual shooting is non-existent, or hard to get to. I know a fine handgun hunter from New Jersey who drives almost an hour one way just to be able to shoot a firearm. (And he has taken a Cape Buffalo with a handgun,, along with MANY heads of game.) He has lamented how hard it is to find ANY place to shoot what so-ever. That kind of problem exists for many people,, so an indoor range is their only option.

Indoor ranges,, Outdoor ranges,, open public places,, informal friends private properties, etc all have their pluses & minuses.

One thing NOT mentioned above in any of the comments where dislike of a particular type of range is discussed is something we all dislike,, but must accept in todays world.
LIABILITY!!!!!!!!

ANY commercial range in any form is faced with legal liability,, AND the insurance it MUST have. That costs money. Then you must have it staffed. That costs money. Staff must be trained. That costs money. Consider this; You may be a safe shooter. You go to a range,, stumble & fall, and accidentally shoot & kill yourself. You may be the safest & best person there. You may have a gentlemans agreement with the range owner. BUT,, your family will see MONEY,, in a LAWSUIT,,, and the range owner will lose.
So,, any gun club,, private membership range,, indoor range etc ALL face these obstacles to staying open.
And that does NOT take into account the many other hurdles they face.
Noise complaints.
Zoning restrictions.
Potential lawsuits by neighbors.
UNSAFE gun handlers.
Politics.
Anti-gun media.

These are but a few things they face daily.
I see comments about the fees costing too much at some ranges,, or how they won't let a shooter pick up dropped brass. To that,, I say this; "Go & try to open a gun range yourself,, and operate it as a business & see what it costs."
A quality indoor gun range,, with the properly built facility,, will cost well over 1 million dollars now,, BEFORE you open. And that's not a big facility.
Or, try & build a public gun range in any zoned area. Once the media hears about it,, you will find you have a LOT of enemies you never knew existed.


How do I know all these things?

I own a private gun range,, that hosts USPSA Competition monthly.

Luckily,, I built my place back in 1980-1981. I'm grandfathered in, shielded by many new laws & restrictions. I'm also on a portion of my County that has very few zoning restrictions. BUT,, I'm also VERY close to a popular tourist destination,, and as such,, expensive developments in my area. As such,, I've had to push back against some folks who came in AFTER I was built & established who wanted to shut me down. I've also assisted another person who TRIED to open a gun range,, and was shut down because a upscale development well over 1/2 mile away forced it. And it was all in a legal area,, but the County Commission refused to allow it.

So,, complain about one type of range or another. Complain about the fees,,, or the staff who demand safety. Refuse to accept the fact that CHANGE can & will often come, causing the loss of your favorite place to shoot.

I get a LOT of inquiries by people LOOKING for a place to shoot. I get people who show up, w/o contacting me,, and EXPECT to be able to shoot. Almost to the point of demanding it. I have had trespassers shoot on my place when I wasn't around.
I've had my targets, props, steel, sheds, etc DAMAGED by such people. These expenses come out of my pocket.

And you know the sad part?

I envisioned building my range as a place for me & my friends & such to have a place to enjoy when I was building it. Oh,, was I young & naive. And the things I have mentioned above,, are not all I've experienced,, or had to deal with in the last 40 years of owning a gun range. And yes,, I have seen a person kill themselves accidentally at a member only gun range,, on a day before a major USPSA match. And I have seen gun ranges closed,, for one reason or another.

So,, ENJOY shooting in whatever venue you can. Support those who try & give all shooters a place to shoot. And if you are lucky enough to have a place of your own,, ask yourself this question; "If my best buddy Joe has an accident,, will he or his family sue me & can I afford it?"
I had to accept the fact of todays liability & litigious society.

Maybe now the fees charged by some ranges isn't as expensive as one may think. What would you pay for a place to shoot if you didn't have any options?
My friend in New Jersey faces that.

tinsnips
10-14-2020, 10:42 PM
I have my own range in the middle of my wife section of land,it has a clay butte about 50 ' high I use for a backstop. I am just finishing the lean too I built for shade. When I get the cement floor in it I will install the shooting bench. It is a great place to shoot better than any indoor range.

monkey wrangler
10-15-2020, 01:09 AM
Scottsdale Gun Club has to be the nicest indoor range I've been in. 4 lanes to a pod, 2" Plexi between lanes, HEPA filtered and Air Conditioned. Sign in was easy, price was comparable to other indoor ranges and the staff is very professional. If you know what you are doing you won't hear a word but they are very much on top errant shooters. Oh, and you can shoot just about anything.

All indoor ranges are very expensive if you shoot any of the hardware.

Last time I was at the Scottsdale Gun Club there was an M134D on a tripod in the lobby.


Ben Avery is about hour and a half from me I have never shot there. They do have that new 1000 yard range but you have to rent it as a group to shoot there.

Rio Salado is where I have shot in the past and wont go back again the desert is way better even if its 125 degrees.

Scottsdale gun club is on my list to check out. I believe you can rent full auto firearms to use in the ranges and that might just be a birthday trip one year besides I believe its just down the road from Dillon.

monkey wrangler
10-15-2020, 01:23 AM
My observations.
Folks who live in rural areas,, where access to open lands or open public places w/o any rules, restrictions, fees, or range safety officers almost always prefer that & hate any indoor range. They have never had restrictions upon them in how they enjoy the sport.

Indoor ranges,, are normally located in places with higher population densities, where open casual shooting is non-existent, or hard to get to. I know a fine handgun hunter from New Jersey who drives almost an hour one way just to be able to shoot a firearm. (And he has taken a Cape Buffalo with a handgun,, along with MANY heads of game.) He has lamented how hard it is to find ANY place to shoot what so-ever. That kind of problem exists for many people,, so an indoor range is their only option.

Indoor ranges,, Outdoor ranges,, open public places,, informal friends private properties, etc all have their pluses & minuses.

One thing NOT mentioned above in any of the comments where dislike of a particular type of range is discussed is something we all dislike,, but must accept in todays world.
LIABILITY!!!!!!!!

ANY commercial range in any form is faced with legal liability,, AND the insurance it MUST have. That costs money. Then you must have it staffed. That costs money. Staff must be trained. That costs money. Consider this; You may be a safe shooter. You go to a range,, stumble & fall, and accidentally shoot & kill yourself. You may be the safest & best person there. You may have a gentlemans agreement with the range owner. BUT,, your family will see MONEY,, in a LAWSUIT,,, and the range owner will lose.
So,, any gun club,, private membership range,, indoor range etc ALL face these obstacles to staying open.
And that does NOT take into account the many other hurdles they face.
Noise complaints.
Zoning restrictions.
Potential lawsuits by neighbors.
UNSAFE gun handlers.
Politics.
Anti-gun media.

These are but a few things they face daily.
I see comments about the fees costing too much at some ranges,, or how they won't let a shooter pick up dropped brass. To that,, I say this; "Go & try to open a gun range yourself,, and operate it as a business & see what it costs."
A quality indoor gun range,, with the properly built facility,, will cost well over 1 million dollars now,, BEFORE you open. And that's not a big facility.
Or, try & build a public gun range in any zoned area. Once the media hears about it,, you will find you have a LOT of enemies you never knew existed.


How do I know all these things?

I own a private gun range,, that hosts USPSA Competition monthly.

Luckily,, I built my place back in 1980-1981. I'm grandfathered in, shielded by many new laws & restrictions. I'm also on a portion of my County that has very few zoning restrictions. BUT,, I'm also VERY close to a popular tourist destination,, and as such,, expensive developments in my area. As such,, I've had to push back against some folks who came in AFTER I was built & established who wanted to shut me down. I've also assisted another person who TRIED to open a gun range,, and was shut down because a upscale development well over 1/2 mile away forced it. And it was all in a legal area,, but the County Commission refused to allow it.

So,, complain about one type of range or another. Complain about the fees,,, or the staff who demand safety. Refuse to accept the fact that CHANGE can & will often come, causing the loss of your favorite place to shoot.

I get a LOT of inquiries by people LOOKING for a place to shoot. I get people who show up, w/o contacting me,, and EXPECT to be able to shoot. Almost to the point of demanding it. I have had trespassers shoot on my place when I wasn't around.
I've had my targets, props, steel, sheds, etc DAMAGED by such people. These expenses come out of my pocket.

And you know the sad part?

I envisioned building my range as a place for me & my friends & such to have a place to enjoy when I was building it. Oh,, was I young & naive. And the things I have mentioned above,, are not all I've experienced,, or had to deal with in the last 40 years of owning a gun range. And yes,, I have seen a person kill themselves accidentally at a member only gun range,, on a day before a major USPSA match. And I have seen gun ranges closed,, for one reason or another.

So,, ENJOY shooting in whatever venue you can. Support those who try & give all shooters a place to shoot. And if you are lucky enough to have a place of your own,, ask yourself this question; "If my best buddy Joe has an accident,, will he or his family sue me & can I afford it?"
I had to accept the fact of todays liability & litigious society.

Maybe now the fees charged by some ranges isn't as expensive as one may think. What would you pay for a place to shoot if you didn't have any options?
My friend in New Jersey faces that.

Yes I understand the whole liability issue with a sport that has higher odds of someone getting hurt or dead. There are laws in my state that protect the horse people from such liability risk. Race tracks are protected as well. Firearms are unfairly treated in a whole different light from top to bottom by every law ever made. But without firearms there would be no USA in so many ways. I would love to see the libitards talk there way out of getting eaten by a bear or mountain lion. Maybe they could talk a enemy soldier out of shooting them. I have been oversees and seen firsthand some of the disgusting things humans can do to each other. They can give peace a chance, I will stand back here and cover them in case it does not work out like their Utopian dream.

What if Ford / Chevy got sued for people getting hit by drunk drivers? There is technology out there called ignition interlocks that wont let you start your car if you have been drinking. But car manufactures are not required to punish everyone because of a couple stupid people. But Remington can be sued into bankruptcy because of Sandy Hook.

I am glad you built your own range I hope you enjoyed it before it became a hassle. Its a sad day in history that the silent majority is being stripped of there second amendment right. It is a death by a thousand cuts nothing very big at one time just little cuts.

dale2242
10-15-2020, 05:54 AM
I have never shot at an indoor range nor do I plan to.
I shot on outdoor ranges when I was shooting competitively, Handgun silhouette, trap, and action pistol.
It is an hour drive to the closest outdoor range with solid concrete benches. I will drive there when I want to do some serious load development.
Our county is 85% government timber lands so I do most of my shooting in landings with backstop or rock pits.
You don`t have to deal with other people this way.
I built a pretty solid portable shooting bench and a decent target holder.
The only bummer is the rainy weather in the winter.
We get plenty of it here in SW Oregon.

richhodg66
10-15-2020, 06:19 AM
I'm fortunate now that I can shoot on my own place, which has the added benefit of being able to recover lead one day, if I run low and live long enough. No one shoots on it except me and maybe my sons now and then.

I still keep a membership in a good range which I RSO for now and then, but it's closed fr a year for rennovation and is about an hour drive from me. Still nice to have it as a social outlet to talk to other shooters.

Also a member of a shotgun range now and having a lot of fun and it's close. I have a clay bird thrower and could do some of that out here, but would rather not have the broken clays and lead shot all over my place here, so I'll keep using their trap range.

Besides the physical limitations and noise on indoor ranges, all the ones I've been to seem extremly attractive to the tacticool mall ninja types who I dislike sharing a range with.

RU shooter
10-15-2020, 10:14 AM
My observations.
Folks who live in rural areas,, where access to open lands or open public places w/o any rules, restrictions, fees, or range safety officers almost always prefer that & hate any indoor range. They have never had restrictions upon them in how they enjoy the sport.

Indoor ranges,, are normally located in places with higher population densities, where open casual shooting is non-existent, or hard to get to. I know a fine handgun hunter from New Jersey who drives almost an hour one way just to be able to shoot a firearm. (And he has taken a Cape Buffalo with a handgun,, along with MANY heads of game.) He has lamented how hard it is to find ANY place to shoot what so-ever. That kind of problem exists for many people,, so an indoor range is their only option.

Indoor ranges,, Outdoor ranges,, open public places,, informal friends private properties, etc all have their pluses & minuses.

One thing NOT mentioned above in any of the comments where dislike of a particular type of range is discussed is something we all dislike,, but must accept in todays world.
LIABILITY!!!!!!!!

ANY commercial range in any form is faced with legal liability,, AND the insurance it MUST have. That costs money. Then you must have it staffed. That costs money. Staff must be trained. That costs money. Consider this; You may be a safe shooter. You go to a range,, stumble & fall, and accidentally shoot & kill yourself. You may be the safest & best person there. You may have a gentlemans agreement with the range owner. BUT,, your family will see MONEY,, in a LAWSUIT,,, and the range owner will lose.
So,, any gun club,, private membership range,, indoor range etc ALL face these obstacles to staying open.
And that does NOT take into account the many other hurdles they face.
Noise complaints.
Zoning restrictions.
Potential lawsuits by neighbors.
UNSAFE gun handlers.
Politics.
Anti-gun media.

These are but a few things they face daily.
I see comments about the fees costing too much at some ranges,, or how they won't let a shooter pick up dropped brass. To that,, I say this; "Go & try to open a gun range yourself,, and operate it as a business & see what it costs."
A quality indoor gun range,, with the properly built facility,, will cost well over 1 million dollars now,, BEFORE you open. And that's not a big facility.
Or, try & build a public gun range in any zoned area. Once the media hears about it,, you will find you have a LOT of enemies you never knew existed.


How do I know all these things?

I own a private gun range,, that hosts USPSA Competition monthly.

Luckily,, I built my place back in 1980-1981. I'm grandfathered in, shielded by many new laws & restrictions. I'm also on a portion of my County that has very few zoning restrictions. BUT,, I'm also VERY close to a popular tourist destination,, and as such,, expensive developments in my area. As such,, I've had to push back against some folks who came in AFTER I was built & established who wanted to shut me down. I've also assisted another person who TRIED to open a gun range,, and was shut down because a upscale development well over 1/2 mile away forced it. And it was all in a legal area,, but the County Commission refused to allow it.

So,, complain about one type of range or another. Complain about the fees,,, or the staff who demand safety. Refuse to accept the fact that CHANGE can & will often come, causing the loss of your favorite place to shoot.

I get a LOT of inquiries by people LOOKING for a place to shoot. I get people who show up, w/o contacting me,, and EXPECT to be able to shoot. Almost to the point of demanding it. I have had trespassers shoot on my place when I wasn't around.
I've had my targets, props, steel, sheds, etc DAMAGED by such people. These expenses come out of my pocket.

And you know the sad part?

I envisioned building my range as a place for me & my friends & such to have a place to enjoy when I was building it. Oh,, was I young & naive. And the things I have mentioned above,, are not all I've experienced,, or had to deal with in the last 40 years of owning a gun range. And yes,, I have seen a person kill themselves accidentally at a member only gun range,, on a day before a major USPSA match. And I have seen gun ranges closed,, for one reason or another.

So,, ENJOY shooting in whatever venue you can. Support those who try & give all shooters a place to shoot. And if you are lucky enough to have a place of your own,, ask yourself this question; "If my best buddy Joe has an accident,, will he or his family sue me & can I afford it?"
I had to accept the fact of todays liability & litigious society.

Maybe now the fees charged by some ranges isn't as expensive as one may think. What would you pay for a place to shoot if you didn't have any options?
My friend in New Jersey faces that.
My hate for indoor ranges isn't due to fees or the crowd or regulations it's due to the noise factor in the ones we have in my area . It's a handgun range max 25 yds targets . About all I can stand or being next to is lower power target loads when someone in the next stall drops the hammer on a full power 357 or 44 we'll its almost painful with muffs on . Maybe it's a poor acoustic design they have I don't know ? But it's not enjoyable at all . Within the last year they upgraded their backstops and now allow short barreled rifles/AR pistols ! Wow it's even worse .

dannyd
10-15-2020, 10:29 AM
I used both depending on what I am shooting. This is Florida summer 11 months of the year and then there's January. If you have a home range make sure you have plenty of Insurance.

GregLaROCHE
10-15-2020, 10:29 AM
I can and do shoot in back of my house. However, I belong to a club with an indoor range. I shoot much more there because at the same time, I can hang out with friends who speak the gun language. The advantage of an indoor range is that the conditions are always constant. Same amount of light and meteorological conditions. I am in the process of creating an outdoor range where people can shoot longer distances. I hope for all of us concerned that it pans out.

memtb
10-15-2020, 11:13 AM
For bench work, out to 300 yards.....obviously outdoors! I have to travel 40 yards out of my back door to my bench! I hope to soon put a roof over the bench for those hot sunny days, or the “once in a Blue Moon” rain or snow! Will likely add a roll-up curtain/blind on the west side for that setting sun glare issue!

If we want to shoot beyond 300 yards.....we have to drive a mile or two! memtb

contender1
10-15-2020, 11:25 AM
RU Shooter,, a very valid complaint about indoor ranges. Noise. But noise is also a factor to neighbors of an outdoor range of withing a mile or two of them.

Sadly,, it's very expensive to build an indoor range to where the noise level is not a factor somewhat. Especially when it's a popular range & occupied a lot. I always wear double hearing protection when using an indoor range.

Something else an indoor range has to deal with is the necessity of an air filtration system. Good ones are NOT cheap,, and require serious, regular maintenance. Throw in the good air system, that pulls the gunsmoke, lead dust etc away from the shooters,, in an area where it's cold or hot outside,, and you need a form of A/C or Heat to make the shooters "comfortable." Talk about a hard thing to do,,,, !!!! Pulling the gunsmoke etc away,, also pulls the comfort level.
Again,, an expense not noticed by the average person.


We do enjoy my range,, & I often get requests from friends & others to use my range. I'm NOT a hard **** & deny everybody,, but I do have restrictions.
I MUST be there as Safety RO.
My insurance requires that.
I have everybody sign a waiver, releasing me of liability.
The USPSA sanctioned Level I matches are open to those who wish to shoot them,, but again, waivers, as well as all USPSA safety rules, AND my personal range rules are strictly observed.

Owning a range that allows anybody other than yourself to enjoy comes with a serious responsibility, as well as the liability. Remember,, you may not try to sue me,, but your family might. (And just think of how many shooters have a close family member who does not like firearms!)
We also hold special events,, and I can add them as a special event rider to my insurance policy. I just had one almost 2 weeks ago. I also use my range as a place to teach handgunning. We have been teaching ladies the NRA WOT program for many years,, as well as private instruction clinics. I have also rented out my range to a few other instructors,, but they must also provide me with current copies of their insurance with my range being covered as well. And the level of their insurance must meet my criteria.

Many, many people do not have access (easily) to a wide open space,,, unoccupied,, where nobody is around to stop them from enjoying informal shooting of the type they desire. Too bad,, as it would make life a lot easier if it were so.

But,, even private property,, where you THINK it's fine & safe & all, can actually have issues where someone gets hurt or killed. Several years ago,, a girl was killed in a public amusement park called Carowinds, near Charlotte NC. Apparently some guys target practicing well away from the park, had a bullet go over whatever backstop, arc into Carowinds, and killed the girl.
NOT good for all gun owners,, who were (again) painted in a bad way by the media.

ANYTIME you discharge a firearm,, you must know where the bullet will stop, or be willing to face potential legal issues.

gnostic
10-15-2020, 01:12 PM
I shoot so much better at indoor ranges because of the lighting. Notice at indoor ranges, the target is bright allowing the sight to be silhouetted. Outdoors, the light falling on the sights doesn't provide as good a sight picture...

toallmy
10-15-2020, 02:36 PM
I have never walked into a indoor range , or shot at a real outdoor range because - I live in a very rural area . I'm not really interested in driving a couple hours to shoot , that would be very limiting on how often I could enjoy shooting .
I shoot out to a 100yards with a good solid back stop at the house while being mindful of the neighbors and the wife ( shooters also both wife and neighbors ) .
I have a retired shooting buddy within 2 miles that has a nice back yard range set up from 25 ft out to 250 yards with a large sand berm + a very pleasant wife that will bring us coffee while we are shooting off of the back deck .
For longer shooting I'm within 15 minutes of a farm that I keep a bench set up 350 yards from a irrigation pound sand back stop . I can't find a place to go out to a thousand with a good berm but I feel I'm blessed .
Do what you need to do to get out and shoot - be safe

monadnock#5
10-15-2020, 04:20 PM
20 years ago or so I was awoken out of a sound sleep by my wife who said that an officer was knocking at the door. This was an afternoon nap on a Sunday prior to working 3rd shift that night. "Well let him in" said I. He was seeking info on who was shooting .22's in the woods behind my house. It quickly became evident that he didn't come looking for info, he came looking for someone to detain for questioning. This in an area with more than 300 ft from occupied structures, the legal standard for hunting and shooting. I'm sure that he recognized the anger that was building and bailed out before I could tell him to be on his way.

I am more than happy to pay the freight for membership in a local range. I can shoot all year round and don't need an ATV to get there.

MT Gianni
10-16-2020, 12:09 PM
I shoot at a sportsmans club range. We have two benches, no range officers and I rarely see anyone else there from Nov to August. 25, 50, 100, 200 and 300 yard posts with 4x8 sheets of chip board that get replaced when they need it. They recently put in a pistol board where people can shoot at ranges closer than 25 yards. No line just walk as far away as you want. It gets heavy use between Aug and hunting season for people to sight in.