285gr cast H110 load

[DirtyDusty]

Anyone know what the max load is in a .44 magnum with a 285 cast wfngc using h110? Was working a load up today, in my Ruger Bisley Blackhawk Hunter, trying to duplicate an old load I had, but lost the loading data for it. I believe it was 23.5gr. Of h110 with a cci large pistol mag primer. I went to 24gr. And was getting 1475fps. 23.5 was 1440fps., which is what my old load chrono’d at. No flattened primers, but seems I read somewhere that straight walled cases don’t show pressure signs like bottleneck cartridges do.

[ReloaderFred]

Anyone know what the max load is with s 285 cast wfngc using h110? Was working a load up today trying to duplicate an old load I had, but lost the loading data for it. I believe it was 23.5gr. Of h110 with a cci large pistol mag primer. I went to 24gr. And was getting 1475fps. 23.5 was 1440fps., which is what my old load chrono’d at. No flattened primers, but seems I read somewhere that straight walled cases don’t show pressure signs like bottleneck cartridges do.

You'll get your best answers by mentioning the caliber.:bigsmyl2:

Hope this helps.

Fred

[DirtyDusty]

You are correct. Lol. It’s a .44 magnum in a Ruger Bisley Blackhawk Hunter.

[TCLouis]

Im'a thinking the hint was to add that back in your original post

[AlaskaMike]

Sounds like it might be a little too hot to me. My standard H110/296 load is RCBS 44-250-K over 24 grains. That's over some book loads. Keep in mind your bullet is 30+ grains heavier. Also, depending on where the crimp groove is on your bullet, it may seat deeper in the case from the Keith SWC I'm using, reducing case volume and raising pressure.

I'd probably back it off a bit.

Mike

[Thumbcocker]

265 grain Ranch Dog (around 270 lubed) over 22.0 of H110 goes 1400 out of my Bisley hunter model.

[Don Purcell]

The term MAX load is unsettling.

[.429&H110]

This site's search engine is your friend. A lot more loads are up in the Cast Boolits. We have done this max loads for a 44 to make your fingers bleed idea several times. You can read pages and pages of friendly debate by searching. Do you have a large pistol magnum primer or a large pistol primer, and what is the difference? As noted, seating depth (COL) and crimp make a huge difference. I miss 44man, he would tell you, and how...
All I know is what I have read here, learned by reloading. I learned you do not have to blow up a gun to consistently hit a 100yd gong with a 250gr Keith boolit going 1200fps.
Hunting tyrannosaurs? 250 grain. Dead.
You might impress it with
KaWhamBlammo
But if you can't hit it, you can't kill it.
YMMV

[lar45]

I'm pretty sure that 44Man would tell you to load it to the base of the bullet, add a mag primer and hang on.

But seriously, what's the length of your bullet and what's the loaded length?

[Targa]

Like AlaskaMike, I am running 24 grains of H110 out of my SBH and a 240 grain bullet. That is pretty much the upper end (according to published load data) with a bullet weighing 40+ grains less than yours. I chrono’d this round more than 100 FPS faster than factory Magtech rounds in the neighborhood of 1500 FPS out of a 5.5” barrel. Point is, you are really getting up there.

[megasupermagnum]

It is a strong load for sure, but I don't think it is as insane as some seem to think. As mentioned, a lot depends on the nose length/seating depth. Now I'm making some real reaching assumptions here but in another thread DirtyDusty states "I was referring more to the bullet design. I have some wfn a guy cast for me, that came out of an LBT mold. I would like something similar, but not sure about LBTs lead times."

I'm going out on a limb, and guessing the 285 gr bullet here is an LBT WFN design. Possibly this one... https://www.montanabulletworks.com/product/44-mag-lbt-280gr-lfn-gc/

That looks to have a decently long nose to me. Hodgdon lists a 325gr with 22 grains H110 as max. I've personally shot the Lee 310gr with 23 gr H110. Not that I suggest it, but I was just looking at some Redhawk only data that has a 340 grain listed with about as much powder. I would gladly shoot a 285 gr with 23.5 gr H110 myself, and see no reason to think it unsafe.

[DirtyDusty]

Bullet is a wfn from a mountain mold. The gentleman sold the mold, but I sent a bullet in to mountain molds and he said that it is a 300gr. bullet with wheel weights, but these where cast with 50/50 COWW and Linotype. The total length of the bullet is .832 with a .40 nose. 80% meplat.

[megasupermagnum]

Ok, I tried to replicate that on the MM website. I actually had to go to a 310 grain bullet to get that length. In that case, is is very likely you are running in the +p pressure territory. There is no official rating of course, but a lot of us consider the area above the current 36,000 psi, and up to the old standard of 40,000 CUP. The current CIP standard (european standard, different method than USA) for 44 magnum is 41,000 PSI, and 40k CUP roughly converts to 42,500 PSI. Whether or not you want to load in this higher pressure range is up to you.

[black mamba]

I just ran your numbers on a ballistics program and it looks like about 45 kpsi. Max load should be right at 22.0 gr for 40 kpsi and 1375 fps with a 7½" barrel.

[lar45]

From Quickload:
44 mag, 7.5" barrel, Pmax 36kpsi
285gn cast .832" , .400" nose
H110 23gn 1398fps @ 35kpsi, 98% load
H110 23.5gn 1434fps @ 38kpsi, 100% load
H110 24gn 1469fps @ 41kpsi, 102%% load

Your Ruger Bisley Hunter should be able to handle warm loads all day long.
Not that I am suggesting that it's okay or safe to do, but in my younger days I may have been know to load 330's to 1500+ fps in Ruger 44mags.

[DirtyDusty]

From Quickload:
44 mag, 7.5" barrel, Pmax 36kpsi
285gn cast .832" , .400" nose
H110 23gn 1398fps @ 35kpsi, 98% load
H110 23.5gn 1434fps @ 38kpsi, 100% load
H110 24gn 1469fps @ 41kpsi, 102%% load

Your Ruger Bisley Hunter should be able to handle warm loads all day long.
Not that I am suggesting that it's okay or safe to do, but in my younger days I may have been know to load 330's to 1500+ fps in Ruger 44mags.

That matches the velocity of my loads, very closely, as I was working up to 24gr. in .5 gr. increments. Thanks

[Drm50]

I’ve never loaded anything but H-2400 for full power loads in 44mg. I got me a pound of 110 and going to try it for use in 1894 Marlin.

[.429&H110]

Tape your fingers!
Earplugs and earmuffs!
Oh, my word!
Consider a S&W 460
if you really really like this.
You don't have enuf gun...
First we hotload 44 special
then we hotload 44 mag
then we hotload 454
gonna hotload a 460?
480's are too heavy to be fun.
s&w 500 burned the side of the boat!
Took the decal right off!
Eso si que es. It is what it is.
Learn to hit with it.
YMMV

[Outpost75]

Interesting fantasy speculating here, but I use Accurate 43-285H, which drops 290 grains from 1:30 tin-lead alloy and is very low noise with 4 grains of Bullseye, TiteGroup or 700X in the Ruger M77/44, without having to use a can. Same load does about 800 fps from my 5-1/2" Ruger .44 Mag. and will shot through a cow!

Come on, what are you smoking? Geesh....

269154

[bmortell]

People can shoot whatever they want not everything needs downloaded to 45acp power just thats "good enough to go through something"

i have a longer 300gr wfn with .44" standing out of the case. So it leaves more powder space than most. Ive worked up to 24gr h110 with that in SBH and SRH. its the only powder i had where i stopped because 24 sounded like too much and not because of any pressure signs. 2400 and 4227 stopped sliding easily out of the cylinder at about 50fps less. If your design is deeper like the picture above than i wouldnt do 24 no.

[DougGuy]

I'm pretty sure that 44Man would tell you to load it to the base of the bullet, add a mag primer and hang on.

But seriously, what's the length of your bullet and what's the loaded length?

44man's pet load (iirc) was 21.5gr H110 under the Lee C430-310-RF with a Federal 150 primer. Could have been W296 but those two are interchangeable. Both made in the same plant, on the same line, shipped with two different manufacturer's labels, one Winchester, one Hodgdon.

[DirtyDusty]

44man's pet load (iirc) was 21.5gr H110 under the Lee C430-310-RF with a Federal 150 primer. Could have been W296 but those two are interchangeable. Both made in the same plant, on the same line, shipped with two different manufacturer's labels, one Winchester, one Hodgdon.

That’s sounds like a pretty warm load too. Do you know how big the meplat is on that bullet?

[The_Eccentric]

Seating depth will make a significant difference in pressures too. One of my favorite loads with a 300gr Hornady XTP jacketed bullet was 21.5gr of H110 whith the bullet was seated to the front groove (that bullet had two crimp grooves) and WLP primers. Gave about 1330fps out of my 7.5" .44mag Super Redhawk. This same load gave about 1580fps in my Ruger 96/44 (that I should have kept). Easy extraction and good looking primers in both firearms.

With the bullet seated to the rear groove (with put the OAL past the 1.61" SAAMI spec), I loaded it with 22.5gr of H110 for approximately the same velocity out of the SRH. It extracted easily in the SRH, with no difference in primer appearance compared to the shorter loading with 21.5gr. The SRH has chambers that allow much longer OAL's. This is still my preferred load with that bullet in the SRH. Very consistent, with low SD's and great accuracy. With a 2x pistol scope I shot a 100 yard 4.3" 6 shot group (using all 6 chambers rather than just one) with it rested on sandbags. Shot several more of those groups, with none going over 6". That's as good as I can do with an LER 2x pistol scope at 100yds.

I tried a load of 22.5gr with that bullet seated to the front crimp groove (to 1.60-ish OAL) with the intent of using it in the levergun (which wouldn't accept an OAL over 1.61" in the mag). Tested it in the SRH first, and extraction was a bit sticky, and primers were starting to flatten (outer radius diminished by about 50%). This testing was all done in the summer in northern Ca, with temps at the range (and on properties where I'd be hunting) pushing 100 deg f and higher. Didn't bother chronographing that load or testing it in the 96/44. Went back to 21.5gr and all was well. I like to have a comfortable margin of safety/easy extraction, especially if I will be firing in hot weather.