New 22 autos

[Ajohns]

I go through this I think once a year, but the fall season makes me think about it more when my son and I go out in the woods. We have decent 22's, but I don't mind looking at upgrading.

The new Ruger 10/22 with synthetic stock, no sights, but scope base looks nice. MSRP I little over 300.
The Marlin 795 in its sold fashion is about 190 MSRP.
And the new Savage 64 FVSR goes around 350, nice features now with rotary mag, accutrigger, and such.

Anyone have any experiences? Obviously the 10/22 can be changed into whatever you want it to look like with all the aftermarket "stuff". The Marlin has been out forever also, a little bit slimmer gun than the Ruger, but are these "Remlinized" like some of the other products? And the Savage edition is pretty new but some of you may have your hands on one, how are they? I like the looks of them.

Keep in mind, I'd be buying two, one for each of us. Price isn't such a big thing, but I don't wanna break the bank either. Maybe buying two from my LGS will give me somewhat of a break too.

Thanks guys!

[thraxx]

I've got 2 10/22's. one stock and one I bought used with a bull barrel and ramline stock. They're plenty accurate for small game and eat anything I feed them. But I've had mine for years and have heard that the new ones aren't quite as accurate.

plus all the aftermarket stuff is fun if you like to tinker.

[dverna]

I have a few different ones. If I were to add another, it would be a CZ bolt action. I know...not a semi-Auto, but a very fine rifle.

If you dead set on a semi...the 10-22 is a good choice.

[kayala]

I love my 10/22. Got basic model brand new for under $200 and it was great. Then I've added "aftermarket stuff" for the amount about twice what I've paid for the rifle and it's even better now :D

[Ajohns]

Well, I shoulda said, it can be a bolt. But, there are so many options to choose from in that category and I already kinda know what I would purchase for that.
10/22's are nice, owned one in the past but I wasn't really hung up on it. It went down the road towards a Mark 2 Gov target. But I would try one again. I've read the new ones have a tendency on not being as accurate also. I'd rather have a new gun outa the box be what I want instead of buying a bunch of accessories or new barrel to make it shoot or fit me. Seems to me about anyone I know using a 795 Marlin says they're blow a candle light out accurate. Maybe not anymore and I'm not quite in favor of a magazine hanging out under the gun. I'd surely be buying the 7 round mag for them.

The new Savage? Maybe not so many have them yet, at least around here they don't. More money but I do like the features and Savage has been on a roll lately for accuracy.

[popper]

795 Marlin is same as M60 that is tube fed, just mag fed. My M60 is IMHO more accurate than 10/22 and no problems. However, marlin had changed hands and now (temp) out of business. Oh, tube holds 15-16 rnds.

[Ajohns]

Popper, thanks. I'm hoping if the Marlin is the one I get, they're available. I'm leaning away from tube feed though, that's the only thing with a 60.

[farmbif]

if your not completely decided on a semi auto. I know my child was gobsmacked with the savage BSEV when we went looking though gun stores. very unique design, super accurate and holds resale value very well.

[Burnt Fingers]

Semiauto - Ruger 10/22, or a Charger with a brace on it.

Bolt - Ruger American Rimfire.

[BigAlofPa.]

I have a 10/22 and 2 marlin 60's and a savage a22 target. The savage is the most accurate out of the 3 models, But it's heavy to lug around for hunting. Sweet shooting rifle though.
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[Mk42gunner]

My 10-22 went down the road, my Marlin Model 60 stayed home.

Reason being that the Ruger magazines were next to impossible to keep working after they got dropped on the ground in the northern Nevada desert. No such problem with a tube magazine. Plus as popper said, the Marlin is more accurate out of the box.

Robert

[sigep1764]

I have a few 22's in my cabinet. Got bit by the bug a few years ago and Rimfire Central was gas on the fire. For serious accuracy work, the CZ455 gets the nod. Going out in the woods with me is either the Savage B22 FVSR or the Marlin 60. The CZ is just too pretty. Ive had a 10-22 but it just wasn't up to snuff. I love the Marlin even with the heavier trigger. The Savage is nice too. If I had to pick, I couldn't. Those are the three 22s that get shot the most. Its a toss up on accuracy between the Marlin and the Savage. Standard Marlin barrel is about as thick as the Savage, but the bluing is miles nicer than the rough parkerizing of the Savage. The trigger on the Savage has an Apache kit in it and it breaks at 1 lb, clean.

[Ajohns]

Thanks guys. I guess I just consider both the Ruger and Marlin say theyre 4.5 lbs, thats nice. Im leaning price and accuracy wise towards the Marlin.

For a bolt, obviously the CZ is a charmer. But, when I said above that I had a bolt flavor in mind, Im thinkin about the Savage FVSR. Just seems right for the price and accuracy. It seems as the Mark 2 version maybe goung away to the new style. Either way I think its a good buy for what you all get with it.

[Txcowboy52]

Check out the Marlin 39A , it’s not an auto loader, it’s a lever gun . Beautiful and mine is a tack driver!!

[BigAlofPa.]

Does the marlin your looking at have an adjustable trigger? My 2 XT'S do. My XT'22 is the most accurate out of all my 22 LR. The XT 22 mag is very accurate too. I don't have another 22 mag rifle to compare it to though.

[Sc0]

Cz457 Trainers... Accurate, and just as upgradeable as the 10/22 except for the semi-auto part. Can be converted to WMR with a barrel/magazine change.

[FergusonTO35]

Ruger American all the way. This is a seriously nice rifle that shoots well.

[recumbent]

I have the Ruger American standard model 8301 with the 22 inch barrel. It shoots 3/8" 50 yard groups. My LGS had them on sale 4 months ago for $199,
Best $199 I spent this year.

[Ajohns]

Boy I gotta check all of them now. I can't decide and there's a lot of good points here, with good prices. A lot of it may come to what I can get my hands on locally. I'm heading to a few shops tomorrow to see what I can see.

[recumbent]

Boy I gotta check all of them now. I can't decide and there's a lot of good points here, with good prices. A lot of it may come to what I can get my hands on locally. I'm heading to a few shops tomorrow to see what I can see.

Good idea.

[Drm50]

I’m 22 rifle poor. The newest one I have is Ruger 77/22, got new when first out. It is now my main serious hunting 22 with 4x. My nephew and my SIL both have Ruger American with 2x7 Nikons. They shoot as well as my 77/22 which is no slouch. It shoots into a dime at 40yds, squirrel sight in.
Now I herd some 10/22 bad mouthing. The original 10/22s were a lot better rifle than today’s. The plastic trigger housing and barrels on stock model guns aren’t up to old standards. The Marlin 60s are accurate as a rule but they leave a lot to be desired in their feed system. My Bro has a Savage bolt action that has threaded barrel and plastic stock. I think it was on sale for $299. I don’t like it bolt is gritty. It doesn’t have a bad trigger, not quite the rifle the Ruger American is. They are both ugly but Ruger is better shooter of the two.

[Ajohns]

I had errands to do and went to one lgs. They didnt have much at all. If ida went to my own town i think we have a better selection, but this was kind of like our areas gander mountain so to speak. Heres where im at. I have a 77/22 mag like Drm50. Its a bolt gun to set a standard by. Also a Springfield 87a. Once I messaged the trigger its a good shooter also. The Rossi knockoff Winchester pump works good. And so on.

The more I look at all of these, two big things come to mind and I wish Savage was listening. The snowmobile industry makes a kids 120 sled. Kids love them, drive the hell outa them, but when that age window is grown up enough, the sled is too small. The Rascal is the 120. Savage needs to make stock extensions for that sweet little number. The features and the price makes it hard not to look at them. Ive been pondering all the solutions for this, and a guy could make it work, make extensions. The cz scout is a gem, little more money but its a good 22. Ruger American also, good platform.

I hate to change my mind like a woman but I think I have to steer away from the autos. One factor I didnt think of is that when my boys gun safety class comes, autos are not allowed. An auto can come later down the road.

But I myself would buy him, and me the same rifle to work with, to get him used to all the finer points of shooting.

Gonna keep looking and hopefully the lgs has my name on something

[LouB]

No pump action .22's anymore?

I dunno, been a billion years since I purchased my last .22 rifle. But spent a lot of years chasing jackrabbits on sagebrush flats in Utah. ,22 of choice? A Winchester, tube feed, pump action. Don't seem to hear much anymore about .22 pumps.
Guess I'm just showing my age.
LouB

[uscra112]

If it weren't for the prices asked, I'd tell you to buy used Marlin 39a over any other form of repeater. They bring premium prices for a reason.

Only owned one 10/22 - never again. It once took me half a dozen shots to anchor a garden-raiding woodchuck at under 30 yards with it. Embarrassing. With Dad's 39a it would have been one.

Don't own a Marlin 60, but I've used Model 60 barrels bought from auction sites to rebarrel old single shot boys' rifles. Set back, and with a tight new chamber, they are very accurate. I'd cite examples but you'd call me a liar. I'll prefer the Marlin Microgroove over Ruger's sledgehammered barrels any day.

In all fairness, a fundamental flaw with all semi-autos is that they have to have sloppy chambers to assure reliable functioning with cheap ammo. Not so your bolt actions.

[Drm50]

I took my 61 Win over to camp Sunday. I hadn’t shot it in years. I forgot how light and balanced it is. It was still shooting right on the mark but action was gummy. Need to strip it down for proper clean and lube. SIL was trying to trade me the original Ruger 10/22 International I gave her when she hatched my nephew. I got nieces out the kazoo, only one nephew. I’m going to have his DNA checked. SIL is sneaky enough to adopt if good rifle is envolved.

[9mmskng]

I always recommend older mfgd rifles, as today's quality is subpar at best. That being said, you left out the Marlin Model 60, America's FIRST "Favorite 22"!

[Ajohns]

I did leave the model 60 out. But, I had said I was looking for a removable magazine other than a tube feed. But that was way earlier in the posts.

As this being his 22, and maybe one for myself, I need a bolt or any form of single shot for his firearm training. No autos allowed, one of those can come later. A hammerless pump action from years gone by would probably be fine also. May have to get the cartridge stop on my dad's old Savage 29 fixed.

[Randy Bohannon]

CZ 22’s one for you one for the boy. Then go do a Appleseed event in your area,you will never spend a more important weekend with your Son than a Appleseed event. The challenge is with a bolt action rimfire and running a bolt action as it is intended keeping everything on target and in time. All positions are taught the correct way individually assessed and assisted to get it right. Many use the 10-22 and get their Rifleman badge easily ,it is a fantastic level of marksmanship he will have for the rest of his life.

[rockrat]

Can't help you on what to pick. My 10/22 languishes in the safe and I use my 39a or Rem 66 when a 22 goes out to play.

[Ajohns]

CZ 22’s one for you one for the boy. Then go do a Appleseed event in your area,you will never spend a more important weekend with your Son than a Appleseed event. The challenge is with a bolt action rimfire and running a bolt action as it is intended keeping everything on target and in time. All positions are taught the correct way individually assessed and assisted to get it right. Many use the 10-22 and get their Rifleman badge easily ,it is a fantastic level of marksmanship he will have for the rest of his life.

That sounds like a lot of fun!

[sigep1764]

Well, Ive bought two more Marlin 60's in the last two weeks to go with the one I already had. Shot the one I already had today with CCI SV and Automatch today at 25 yards with a bipod. All 10 groups with the CCI were touching and easily fit under a dime. The Automatch groups were larger but not horrible. And it comes in 325 round packs. Im still recommending the the 60, even if its for his second rifle.

[Cargo]

We own several 10/22s and they're adequate. We also own a Winchester bolt action single shot that's about 80 years old along with a Henry Youth model lever action.

Now I'm going to say something horrible

10/22s are just tools, they have no soul.

Even my son's Henry, great shooter and the action is butter smooth, has soul. It just feels good.

If I were to go out and buy myself another .22 it would probably be one of the following.

Bolt action- CZ or older Marlin
Pump- Rem 572
Semi Auto- Rem 552 or Nylon 66
Lever- Marlin 39A or Win 9422

[murf205]

What a timely thread. I am in the market for a bolt 22. I've got a 552, a Rem mod 12, a Winchester 9422, and a Marlin 25 WMR. I think a Ruger American is next.Are they as accurate as advertised? What hunting ammo do they prefer. Do they come with a Weaver style base?

[Ajohns]

We own several 10/22s and they're adequate. We also own a Winchester bolt action single shot that's about 80 years old along with a Henry Youth model lever action.

Now I'm going to say something horrible

10/22s are just tools, they have no soul.

Even my son's Henry, great shooter and the action is butter smooth, has soul. It just feels good.

If I were to go out and buy myself another .22 it would probably be one of the following.

Bolt action- CZ or older Marlin
Pump- Rem 572
Semi Auto- Rem 552 or Nylon 66
Lever- Marlin 39A or Win 9422

That's not going to offend me at least. I've own one and yes, they don't seem to have the character, at least to me. My Springfield 87 has character and shoots just as good if not better than a 10/22. One auto I did forget to mention was the new Winchester Wildcat. That one looks to be pretty darned nice? Some great features there for sure.

I have read up on the Ruger American. They sure seem to be a good platform. At least for a first timer because of the options they have. Stock pull length and such. But I'm dropping the ball again and haven't been looking real hard around here because the LGS's don't have much left right now. Snow will be falling Saturday, I need to figure what I'm going to order soon.

[robg]

over here the CZ is the bolt gun of choice .1022 are fun guns and fairly accurate as std but easily improved .my martini lh international is amazingly accurate but far to heavy to carry around the fields and woods.my ruger 1022 is a half inch gun at 25 yards about an inch at 50 and very light even with a moderator.

[murf205]

I have the Ruger American standard model 8301 with the 22 inch barrel. It shoots 3/8" 50 yard groups. My LGS had them on sale 4 months ago for $199,
Best $199 I spent this year.

I am glad you guys are having success with the Ruger American rimfires. I bought one last Wednesday and carried it back today. 6-7" groups at 50 yds. the magazine would not hold 10 rnds like advertised, only got 7 rnds in it. Darned near bent the 8th round trying to get it in the mag. Fed rough as a cob from the magazine. I have 8 different kinds of 22 ammo and it wouldn't shoot any of it into less that 6". To say that I am disappointed is an understatement.

[wl620]

I traded a ruger “precision” 22 for a Tikka T1x about a year ago and haven’t looked back since. Most 22’s I have rather they be auto’s, bolts, leverguns, or pumps, all have their “favorite” ammo. The three Tikkas that are on the place now will hold an inch at 50 yards with any ammo from a bench and do better than that by at least half with just about any standard velocity stuff. I gave that first one to my son, bought my wife one, and traded a CZ 457 american that was only a so-so shooter for the latest one. All 3 of these are 20” threaded barrels, the triggers are easily adjusted, the L.O.P. Is a little short for me I believe its 13 1/4”, they come with 1 ten round magazine that Im not particularly fond of the shape but I’ve had no issues with. I currently know of 4 other T1x’s and everyone that owns one loves it.

[Krag 1901]

I have 2 .22LR's a Browning BLR which is as fast as a auto for quick followups and a Rem 582 I got for $75 from a used rack many years ago. Well three with old Marlin 60 but I kinked the recoil spring and need a new one. I just never followed up getting anew one as the BLR an 582 do all I need to do.
A pawn shop 581-582 would be a good bet for a boy's gun and give him a life time of good shooting if it was in decent shape bore wise.

[Andy45]

I recommend CZs. Plenty of models to choose from to fit your budget.
Tikkas as well, but they are pricier.
10-22s are too hit or miss on accuracy, and the triggers are mediocre.

[sigep1764]

Well, I just took down and cleaned a 10/22 for the first time ever. It belongs to a friend of mine that has never cleaned it or taken it apart in the 10 or 15 years he's owned it(he is not very mechanically inclined). Not my favorite rifle to take down and put back together. The Marlin 60, Win 250, Savage B22, 39A, take your pick. They are much easier to take down. It was like I needed three hands. I will say this, the 10/22 is handsome and eats a lot of ammo. The mag is nice and it seems a quality piece.

[gunther]

if I had a mk2 gov target, and liked to squirrel hunt, I'd look no farther. Straffing a squirrel off of a limb with a pistol is worth learning to do.

[robertbank]

After some research this fall I purchased a Savage A22 from Cabella's. My version came with a Bushnell 3x9 scope mounted on it. No iron sights. After sighting in the rifle, the gun has proven to be very accurate. AT 25 yards the first hole just widens to a quarte size. The gun is obviously more capable then I am. With our winter conditions up here (rain and snow) mostly, I find it difficult to attempt to wring out accurate shots when your fingers are numb. As of now though I think it is fair to say the gun is a shooter. If the OP is still looking for a rifle the A22 deserves a look.

Take Care

Bob

[Gussy]

Personal preference, but I hate stopping to load. That is why I buy 22s that take removable magazines. Specifically, I buy Rugers because I have a bunch of magazines. 3 different rifles, all use the same magazines.

I looked at CZ when I bought my last bolt gun. Then I looked at extra magazine cost. Total turn off. Not remotely worth the asking price for a 22 magazine for me.

[Ajohns]

Good points again. I'm draggin my feet, and Christmas is soon lol. The Tikka looks pretty awesome, cost is up compared to others, and I like the different CZ's too. But the Tikka is tack driving and has some nice features also that you can use as the kids grow.

[robertbank]

Good points again. I'm draggin my feet, and Christmas is soon lol. The Tikka looks pretty awesome, cost is up compared to others, and I like the different CZ's too. But the Tikka is tack driving and has some nice features also that you can use as the kids grow.

Both rifles are excellent. Aside from accuracy the guns are extremely well-made and will last your sons and daughters their lifetimes and then some.

Take care

Bob

[farmbif]

if you can afford it get a volquartsen or a magnum research and you will never have to worry about your semi auto 22 not being accurate.

[LoveND]

Does this post include semi auto hand guns? I have a s and w victory with target trigger and recoil reducer on the front. Also the loop on the back for lazy man cocking. This gun is a dream gun and so accurate its every persons dream gun. It i believe is better than the high standard super matic trophy i had years ago or at least as good. .22 rim fire is fun fun fun. By the way I’m doing this reply from one of those new touch type computers. It changes my words as it doesn’t like some of mine. If it wasn’t a gift from my sister i would throw it in the garbage can. I wish it was alive so i could smack it a good one.

[robertbank]

It should. I am looking for exactly that gun right now to use it in Rimfire Challenge Matches up here. It is a growing sport.

Take Care

Bob

[Ajohns]

I wouldn't say handguns don't apply. Though I was first asking about auto rifles. Then it went to bolts or single shots. Because of my son and the firearm training he will receive in a couple years, they don't allow semi auto anything for their final shooting test. But, this is just an informative thread. I can decipher what points I can use and what not.

All pros and cons are welcome to myself anyway. I haven't been able to purchase anything yet, so I'm still soaking all the info in that I can.