22 Rimfire lube

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So, I'm casting 255 grain 45 colt from bhn 12 for my Rossi 92. 13 grains of Bluedot. I expect about 1200 fps. A lot like a big 22 rimfire round. So if I lube with 45/45/10 is this the same as the waxy lube 22s come with?

[Traffer]

So, I'm casting 255 grain 45 colt from bhn 12 for my Rossi 92. 13 grains of Bluedot. I expect about 1200 fps. A lot like a big 22 rimfire round. So if I lube with 45/45/10 is this the same as the waxy lube 22s come with?

Good question. As far as I know, different manufactures use different lubes on their bullets. More recently they are mostly harder and waxier substance. Through history though it has varied a great deal. I have seen them with greasy lube and hard lube almost plastic like.On another note: I had a friend who was a high level engineer for Gillette Razor company in the 90's and 00's. Back then they had a "glide strip" on their razors that, in my mind would be a perfect substance for bullet lube. Almost soap like but plastic, very very slippery stuff. I wasn't reloading back then so I didn't pursue the science of the stuff. If it weren't for powder coating now, I would be picking his brain for info on the stuff.
Edit PS:
I found this. I am not versed in chemistry but, again If I were in the lube game instead of powder coat, this would be a topic I would pursue.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20040177513A1/en

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Interesting. While browsing Google patents I found this interesting formula:

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20060030495A1/en?q=bullet+lube&oq=bullet+lube

[Outpost75]

I load .44-40 smokeless loads at similar velocity lubing with LSStuff 45-45-10 with good accuracy and no leading issues.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

I had some vintage Federal Lightning 22LR that would no longer reliably cycle in my Ruger Mk II.
I recall that the lube on them felt like JPW when there weren't two decades old, they now feel dry.
So, that's what I applied to them...Now they cycle.

As to 45 colt, I know a couple members here have used JPW on some pistol boolits.
As for a Levergun, I'd prefer to use a traditional wax based lube (filling a lube groove), but 45-45-10 might work OK, if the other common pitfalls of loading for a levergun are avoided.

[Traffer]

Interesting. While browsing Google patents I found this interesting formula:

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20060030495A1/en?q=bullet+lube&oq=bullet+lube

That patent is a very interesting find. Wonder if the inventor is a member here.

[375RUGER]

FWIW- someone here posted in the past that CCI is straight paraffin.

[uscra112]

I'm wondering how the patent office could justify even issuing that patent. It's 99% gibberish*, written by someone who doesn't even know firearms terminology all that well. I can't see anything novel in it at all, except maybe the exact proportions of the components.

*A language I speak fluently, having been a DoD Contract Administrator for a significant part of my career.

[ndnchf]

Perusing the archives a while back, I came across a post describing a couple bullet lube recipes that appeared in a 1943 American Rifleman magazine. One was said to be a factory lube for external lube groove/heel bullet ammunition. It is a little harder/less sticky than lubes for internal groove bullets. Its a simple recipe and I happened to have all the ingredients on hand, so I made a small batch to try out.

1 part paraffin (in my case, a cheap green candle I chopped up)
1 part mutton tallow
1/2 part beeswax

I've used it on my .44 Remington centerfire cartridges in an 1870s Remington #2 rifle. It works very well.

[lar45]

The Status of the patent says Abandoned
I agree, it's almost all gibberish with a few firearms terms thrown in.
The claims column doesn't claim anything at all, just gives very wide ranges of some ingredients that could be googled on the forum here.

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"but 45-45-10 might work OK, if the other common pitfalls of loading for a levergun are avoided."

Uh ... what other common pitfalls should I be aware of?





As to 45 colt, I know a couple members here have used JPW on some pistol boolits.
As for a Levergun, I'd prefer to use a traditional wax based lube (filling a lube groove), but 45-45-10 might work OK, if the other common pitfalls of loading for a levergun are avoided.[/QUOTE]

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

Uh ... what other common pitfalls should I be aware of?


"my Rossi 92"

What is the groove diameter of that barrel?

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I dunno.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

I dunno.

How do you know what to size the boolits too?

[greenjoytj]

I lube my 45 Colt with Emmerts Improve Lube, the recipe is in the sickies lube recipes list.
I use Emmerts Improved with black powder loads and smokeless. For smokeless loads I use CFE-Pistol and get over 1240 fps chrono’d at Hodgdon’s max charge weights in my Miroku built Win M73 24” barrel.
I size by cast bullet to .452”.
Emmerts is reported to be very similar to commercial SPG lube.