M1 Carbine

[PB234]

USGI in good shape being considered because of the cheap Korean surplus ammo. Wondering if others have found them reliable (rifle and or ammo). People on InrangeTV seem to hate them. Not sure if the potential over penetration is acceptable for my situtation but lots of ammo is available so I wonder. Comments and suggestions most welcome.

[Winger Ed.]

If the price is right I'd grab it.

They're fun, cheap to feed, and great to have & teach kids to shoot with.
It wouldn't be my first choice to hunt with, but they're fine for target shooting and even home defense.

[Ozark mike]

Mom shot her biggest deer with her plainfield .30 carb back in the 80s. Its pretty much a magnum pistol rnd chambered in a lightweight rifle

[Jsm180]

I've owned several, only have one now, a Winchester. Lots of fun to shoot. Never heard of InrangeTV :)

[WinchesterM1]

I’ve killed 3 deer with a M1 carbine. As far as the rumors go about them lacking penetration power, I asked a Korean War vet and he told me that he never had a problem and he knew of 10-12 North Koreans who wouldn’t complain. I use the NOE 121-Rn with 2400 powder

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[Chad5005]

jsm180 where do you live around green swamp

[Outpost75]

With softpoint ammo the .30 M1 carbine is good home and ranch defense and varmint gun.

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[Der Gebirgsjager]

Most of a lifetime ago I knew an old guy in his 70s (now I am!) who had arthritis pretty badly. He had an M1 Carbine before it was legal to own them (hadn't yet been released for sale by the Govt.) and used it to get his deer every year. He liked it because he didn't have to work a bolt or lever, which caused pain in his hands, and the recoil wasn't excessive. They can be pretty accurate if in good condition, and a hit in the head or neck will almost certainly drop a deer. I like to think of them as a .357 Mag. equivalent, and lots of guys seem to be hunting with the .357 Mag. lever actions.

I also see the S. Korean surplus ammos for sale, but it doesn't seem cheap to me!

[Jsm180]

jsm180 where do you live around green swamp

North of rockridge and east side of 98

[elmacgyver0]

I also see the S. Korean surplus ammos for sale, but it doesn't seem cheap to me!

I recently bought a new made carbine by Auto Ordinance, neat little rifle.
I bought a couple cans of the Korean ammo, like you, it doesn't seem cheap to me either.

[Chad5005]

North of rockridge and east side of 98

cool the wife and i just moved from socrum loop about 1/2 way between 98 and bethel baptist church

[Texas by God]

My wife has one. I’ve got my eyes peeled for another. Enough power to stop trouble and everyone in the family can shoot one accurately. Our armed forces used them successfully in three major wars. It sounds to me like that Inrange TV show has an idiot problem
Joe Cirillo- the VERY experienced gunfighting NYPD Satakeout Squad leader listed the M1 Carbine with 110 hollow points as the #1 fight stopper they used to stop armed robbers from breathing any more.

[Winger Ed.]

Mom shot her biggest deer with her plainfield .30 carb back in the 80s.

Back then I knew some folks in Louisiana, and it seemed like everybody there hunted with a .30 carbine, or grandpa's .30-30.
Ranges were fairly close there. When ya got over to the bean fields, then everybody had 7mm or .300WinMags.

[Ozark mike]

Back then I knew some folks in Louisiana, and it seemed like everybody there hunted with a .30 carbine, or grandpa's .30-30.
Ranges were fairly close there. When ya got over to the bean fields, then everybody had 7mm or .300WinMags.

Dad gave her the carbine cause for some reason he thought a ruger m44 was to much and got rid of it. She regrets it to this day but now shes got the carbine + 2 44s a henry and a sbh i gave her. If i was her id have shot him with the dang thing

[Der Gebirgsjager]

Hey, Ozark Mike, I had the same experience with the Ruger semi-auto .44 Mag. carbine. One of the most unpleasant guns to shoot I've ever encountered and something of an extra chore to clean. Today, seeing what they sell for, I wish I would have kept it as an investment.

[Wag]

I've been wanting to buy one for quite some time.

Some people hate 'em, though, as you mentioned.

--Wag--

[gunauthor]

Love my M1 carbine, basically use it on paper and to plink. Not super accurate, but would shoot minute of burglar. And, the icing on the cake is that it is truly a WEAPON OF WAR. Tell that to any snowflakes you know.....

[TCFAN]

Biggest deer I have ever killed was with my GI M1 carbine using a reload with a Lyman 311227 round nose boolit. One shot through the neck as he was running straight at me and dead right there. Distance about 15 or 20 yards.

[dverna]

One of the most under-rated SD rifles out there IMHO. Light, handy and more than adequate for two legged varmints out to 100 yards.

A lot of women and elderly people cannot rack a semi-pistol slide. The M-1 is easy to operate and has good magazine capacity. Rifles are also easier to make hits with.

I have one and plan on setting it up for home defense and to address coyotes that wander in. But ammo is far from "cheap".

[ShooterAZ]

I have an Inland that I bought from the CMP back when the Italians returned a bunch of them. It's a great shooter, both with Cast Boolits and jacketed. As stated, it's lightweight and reasonably accurate. Mine is very reliable, and I would trust my life to it in a heartbeat. They are just a barrel of fun at the range too, everyone loves shooting them.

[Bmi48219]

There’s a guy on YouTube (Tnoutdoors9) with a video shooting an iron-sighted 43 Inland from a bench rest at an 18” x 24” plate, 300 yards out. Surprised at some of the accuracy he achieved. I’ve never tried mine for accuracy past 100 yards but have taken two deer with it, one at 45 paces, the other at 74 paces. Neither went 20 feet after hit.
BTW my paces average 3 feet.
M1 carbines sure went up in price the past year. At 30-plus cents a round on sale I don’t see surplus ammo as being cheap. Glad I roll my own.

[Speedo66]

And, the icing on the cake is that it is truly a WEAPON OF WAR. Tell that to any snowflakes you know.....

No, it's just a nice wood and steel sportsman's rifle, can take 5 round magazines, and doesn't look like an evil black rifle. No nasty features like threaded barrels or vertical pistol grips. Let it lie out of the snowflake's sight. lol

Love my Underwood, can't be bad, was made by a typewriter company.

[Texas by God]

I’ve had two Ruger .44 carbines, I’ve had two M1 Carbines. On a good day either of the Rugers would put three bullets into a soccer ball sized group at 100 yards from a steady rest. My Winchester and Howa .30 carbines would put 15 rounds into a tennis ball sized group at 100 yards from a jacket on a truck hood. 50 yards and under, the roaring Ruger was great on white tails but my SBH easily out shot the “10-22s on steroids”!

[Ozark mike]

I never knew what the twist was on the ruger but it seemed to have pretty good groups.

[panhed65]

I have a postal meter m1 carbine, and it is one of the most fun guns to shoot I own. I don't shoot iron sights well at my age, but can shoot the carbine pretty well. in addition to the gi mags, I have a bunch of the Korean ones, and they work really well, and are priced good.
Barry

[too many things]

best part is they make a full auto in 2sec and remove and put in pocket
bit hard to hold down on full ,but fun till ammo runs out

[toot]

just remember that there are PEOPLE WHO WOULD KICK, IF YOU HUNG THEM WITH A BRAND NEW PIECE OF ROPE!!

[toot]

some people would puke on anything, no mater what! just the nature of the beast. go with your gut feeling.it is usually rite!

[Der Gebirgsjager]

Just FYI-- there are a whole bunch of genuine WW II vintage M1 Carbines about to come on the market as imported from Ethiopia by Royal Tiger Imports. They were given to Ethiopia by the U.S. as military aid after the war, and have been in storage all this time. They are said to be used but serviceable with good bores.

[Larry Gibson]

best part is they make a full auto in 2sec and remove and put in pocket
bit hard to hold down on full ,but fun till ammo runs out

Shot a lot of M2 Carbines over the years in SF. With a little practice they are quite controllable if used as intended.....with 2-3 round bursts. I could keep a 3 round burst on an E target at 100 yards and 2 of the 3 on the E target at 150 yards. Even a 30 round [for S&Gs] burst could be kept on the E target at 50 yards. The diminutive M2 carbine proved excellent in CQB with 2-3 round bursts in built up areas or jungles.......can say that with confidence having been there, done that and got the T-shirt.......

[35 Whelen]

I've never seen InRange TV, but it sounds like it's someone with a video camera and an opinion, which makes a lot of folks instant ex-spurts.

I'm very new to M1 Carbines and have bought three in less than three months! I enjoy shooting them and do so every chance I get, including tonight when I got home from work! One of the things I enjoy most about them is they (mine at least) shoot cast bullets very well, and bullets cast from the RCBS 30-115-SP mold all but duplicate the military loads trajectory and velocity with loads used with jacketed bullets. And since this is a gas check bullet, I have been able to cast with ACWW and run them near 2000 fps with zero leading.

https://i.imgur.com/lc1uVFil.jpg

Accuracy has been pretty decent as well.

https://i.imgur.com/vGtPneVl.jpg

I also cast from the Lee 309-113-F mold and while accuracy isn't quite as good, it's still not bad-

https://i.imgur.com/DBDNjofl.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/ziABZsbl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/3KlygXHl.jpg

Soon, I'm going to buy another of the RCBS 30-115 molds and have it converted to cast HP's.

If I may, all three shoot PPU ammunition and jacketed handloads well-

https://i.imgur.com/KnEfwbml.jpg https://i.imgur.com/LvdQJQhl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Xir732wl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/EdxwPPLl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/YpTLKR5l.jpg

If you're thinking of getting one, better hurry. Prices have skyrocketed lately.

35W

[Der Gebirgsjager]

Great photos and shooting, 35 Whelen. I also have two carbines made by Standard Products. Fewer of them made than some of the others. M1 Carbines are almost always good cast boolit shooters with the right combination of bullet and load, and the nice thing is that their gas system doesn't foul easily.

[Texas by God]

When I get to fire guns again, the .30 Carbine will be the first center fire brought out. So much fun to tear up clay birds and dirt clods with 113 Lees.

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[Markopolo]

I also wanna get a HP version of something for my rockola... its never too late for an old dog to learn a new trick I always say...

[Sailormilan2]

M1 Carbine with a red dot is my home defense gun. An old gun dealer I know used one to hunt hogs.
Nothing wrong with the M1 Carbine.

[35 Whelen]

I also wanna get a HP version of something for my rockola... its never too late for an old dog to learn a new trick I always say...

I'm going to have one of these (http://www.hollowpointmold.com/inset-bar-conversions/?picture=789#789) done. Should feed perfectly.

35W

[Eddie Southgate]

M2 Carbine with a red dot is my home defense gun. An old gun dealer I know used one to hunt hogs.
Nothing wrong with the M1 Carbine.

You have an M2 for home defense ? Is there a california version ? :mrgreen:

[Sailormilan2]

You have an M2 for home defense ? Is there a california version ? :mrgreen:

Oops. Typo. Fixed it. I wish I had an M2.

[Josko]

USGI in good shape being considered because of the cheap Korean surplus ammo. Wondering if others have found them reliable (rifle and or ammo). People on InrangeTV seem to hate them. Not sure if the potential over penetration is acceptable for my situtation but lots of ammo is available so I wonder. Comments and suggestions most welcome.

I shot my first deer with my fathers USGI M1 Carbine. It was made by General Motors.

My grandfather hated them in WWII. He said they were not accurate, so he preferred carrying the heavier M1 Garand (Battle of the Bulge and served under Patton).

[Josko]

A shotgun is the best home defense weapon. The sound of chambering a round most often will make the person flee. Put the right shot in it and you will not kill loved ones on the other side of the wall, but will stop an intruder. You also do not need to rely on sites in the dark. Hope that helps.

[dverna]

A shotgun is the best home defense weapon. The sound of chambering a round most often will make the person flee. Put the right shot in it and you will not kill loved ones on the other side of the wall, but will stop an intruder. You also do not need to rely on sites in the dark. Hope that helps.

It depends.....

If the intruder is a thief, and not high, he should run away

If the intruder wants to kill you, you have revealed your position...not good

At house distances, you still need to aim or point accurately. Look at your pattern at 15-30 ft before thinking spray and pray will get the job done.

[Flophound]

I love the M1 carbine. It's old tech, so that comes with the need of a bit of extra attention (keep it lubed).
It's handy, intuitive to operate, light. The only downside to it (as I see it) isn't even a fault of the gun- the cartridge never really took off outside of that one gun. And that makes for very little incentive for ammo manufacturers to innovate with the cartridge. Which then, in turn, makes the gun appear as an underperformer.

[GhostHawk]

I agree with Josko about the Shotgun. But I keep mine loaded with one up the spout but the action half open. Can not possibly fire, it is as safe as it can be made to be. But if I slide the forearm up slowly it will return to battery without any big noise. Without telling any intruder where I am. Just one small quiet little "snick".

Sneaky perhaps, but its my experience that sneaky keeps a person breathing longer. Sneaky can be a good thing.

I have a light on mine but I should not ever have to use it. I have enough small light sources, nightlights, lighted electrical outlets, etc scattered in enough locations to let me spot and target an intruder.

But the hallway near my bedroom is black as 3 feet up the inside of a cow.
I don't believe in giving away any advantages.

If your not cheating your not playing to win/trying hard enough.

[35 Whelen]

A shotgun is the best home defense weapon. The sound of chambering a round most often will make the person flee. Put the right shot in it and you will not kill loved ones on the other side of the wall, but will stop an intruder. You also do not need to rely on sites in the dark. Hope that helps.

Not poo-pooing a shotgun for home SD at all, but they're are a some misconceptions with regards to pattern and penetration where SD is concerned.

A few years ago I read a post on the subject of home defense with shotguns loaded with birdshot. In the post, someone knew someone, who knew someone, who knew someone that was shot in the chest at very short range (6 feet if memory serves) with a load of #6 birdshot out of a 12 ga. The purported victim waited patiently for the ambulance, was transported to the emergency room where the shot was removed and he was then sent home, supposedly. In an attempt to show the poster that it would be near impossible to survive a shotgun blast to the chest at the range, even one loaded with birdshot, I performed a hasty, informal test by firing a 1 1/4 oz. load of #6 from an I/C choked 12 ga. at a piece of 1 1/8" sub-flooring at 10 and 20 feet-

Entrance-

https://i.imgur.com/oEMwGabl.jpg

Exit-

https://i.imgur.com/4BSMwJWl.jpg

I had pretty good idea what the results would be because as a knuckleheaded kid that grew up in the country roaming the river behind our house with a shotgun, I'd shot at everything imagine able with shotguns and knew that at close range even birdshot turns things inside out. But what I learned from my impromptu test was a couple of things; First, a shotgun, even one with an open choke at 20', fires surprisingly tight patterns and would need to be aimed almost as deliberately as a rifle or handgun. Second, if a 1 1/4 oz. load of #6 will so easily penetrate a 1 1/8" sheet of laminated plywood, a couple of pieces of 1/2" sheetrock wouldn't even come close to stopping it, change that from #6 to buckshot and penetration would be even more dramatic.

Sorry about the digression, back to the subject of the .30 Carbine and its effectiveness or lack thereof.

We gun folks sometimes lose perspective on the subject of cartridges. We seem to forget that cartridges don't actually kill, the bullets launched from these cartridges do. One perfect example is the 10mm Auto. "Uncle" Ted Nugent used his 10mm to take a gemsbock, and wildebeest and of all things a Cape Buffalo, so now anytime the subject of a defensive handgun for anything smaller than a Tyrannosaurus Rex comes up, the 10mm is the most widely recommended cartridge. The heaviest load I could find for this cartridge is 200-220 gr. cast bullets at 1200 fps. I own a couple of 130+ year old 1873 Winchesters in 38-40. Either, loaded with a 192 gr. cast FN bullet and 2.2 grs. of Swiss 3Fg. a hair over 1400 fps. So tell a fellow gun folk you're going buffalo hunting with a 10mm or that you're carrying the same for bear protection while salmon fishing in Alaska, and you're liable to get a grin and two thumbs-ups. Tell them you're going to do the same with a 130 year old Winchester in 38 WCF and they'll probably volunteer their help in the search for your marbles.

And so it has been for years with the .30 Carbine. Loading manuals and magazine articles pretty much state that the cartridges usefulness is for plinking and maybe small game. Then along comes the .327 Federal Magnum (A .31 caliber revolver cartridge) and claims that revolvers so chambered will do marvelous things. Richard Mann seems especially fond of it-

"This means the .327 Federal Mag.’s projectiles will penetrate similar to 125- and 158-gr. hollow-point bullets from .357 Mag. loads. It also means they are very likely going to damage more tissue...." "....it’s clear the cartridge has the right stuff for coyotes, deer and even felonious fiends." americanrifleman.org, April 2010

"The 130-grain hardcast load from Buffalo Bore Ammunition is even suitable for bear defense."- americanrifleman.org, August 2018

"It will perforate a large bear's skull..." Buffalo Bore, of their .327 Hard Cast load

But when you compare the ballistics of these two very similar cartridges, ballistically, the .30 Carbine does roughly at 125-150 yds. what the .327 does at the muzzle.

I think it's pretty well established that the .30 Carbine's "problem" is the FMJRN bullets that have always been loaded in it. Load it with expanding or frangible bullets and I think one reaches an entirely new dimension. I'm not a big fan of gel testing bullets to determine their effectiveness, but there are a few YouTube videos of .30 Carbine tests with 110 gr. SP's and all of them expand well and penetrate quite remarkably considering their lack of sectional density.

I keep one of my carbines in the house for SD.

35W

[jrayborn]

Another thing to consider if you think of such things is that in most of the gun grabbing legislation proposed or implemented on a national level, the .30 M1 Carbine as well as theM1 Garand have been excluded. If more such legislation is passed it may well be that it would be excluded once again.

[samari46]

Mine is a "Blue Sky" Saginaw Gear with a Winchester barrel on it. Although I do have some ball on hand what would be a good cast bullet for the carbine?. And has anyone used the little speer 100gr plinker the one with the half jacket and half lead?. Thanks in advance. Frank

[Larry Gibson]

I used a lot of the Speer 100 gr "Plinker" in the 30 Carbine. I also use a lot more of the Hornady 100 gr half jacket bullet, which I prefer to the Speer. I killed several Blacktail deer and a lot of coyote's with the Hornady loaded over 15.5 gr H110. Runs 1950 - 1970 fps, very accurate and deadly. Have several hundred loaded right now.......

[yovinny]

While I love the M1 carbine and have 4 examples at last count,, the 300 Blackout is really the 21st century's improved version.
It's much cheaper to aquire, shoots much more accurately, capable of using a slew of different bullets weights and designs, and able to push them far beyond anything the M1 carbine could even dream of.
I have the carbines for nostalgia and range fun,, the blackouts for versatility and performance.

[Huntsman52]

A youtuber reviewer / demonstrator Paul Harrell does a great job explaining the M1 Carbine. Also goes into detail on the rumors spread about the cartridge. Does the same type of review for birdshot for HD purposes. Worth a watch and listen carefully as he has a lot of sarcasm that brings a welcome chuckle.

[downzero]

I wish they weren't so expensive! The M1 Carbine is the "pistol caliber carbine" from our grandparents' era. They'd be an exceptional piece at $5-600. Unfortunately all the ones I see are double that. Maybe 20 years from now the prices will come back down to earth.

[charlie b]

As a kid there were barrels at the local surplus store with Mausers, 1903's, Enfields, and M1 Carbines. $30 for the bolt actions and $20 for the Carbines. At the time my new Remington .22 cost $50.

[missionary5155]

While we are on the fun little Carbine... The gas piston nuts come in two styles... early and late. As I understand it the late "recessed type" can be used on any carbine and is supposed to be of more reliable function. Is that the proper understanding ?

[Lloyd Smale]

I used a lot of the Speer 100 gr "Plinker" in the 30 Carbine. I also use a lot more of the Hornady 100 gr half jacket bullet, which I prefer to the Speer. I killed several Blacktail deer and a lot of coyote's with the Hornady loaded over 15.5 gr H110. Runs 1950 - 1970 fps, very accurate and deadly. Have several hundred loaded right now.......

thats good to know larry. I ran into a couple boxes of the 100 grain speer plinkers and was thinking on using them in the BO for deer.

[Hanzy4200]

I have a Underwood, a 1944 I believe? Absolutely love that little thing. The penetration issue is simple. These rifles were handed to troops who had been carrying the Springfield 03 and Garand rifles in 30-06 for 40 years. Compared to a 30-06, yes, it is comparatively weak. Does not mean it is a "underpowered" round. InRange says as much.

[samari46]

Larry and others who responded,thanks for the info. Also those little Ruger carbines were at one time down here very popular for hunting in the swamps. Once they were no longer made and prices started going up and folks couldn't afford one hunters turned to other firearms. Frank

[Cargo]

My favorite Uncle hit the beaches of Italy carrying an M1 carbine. He carried that carbine from Italy all the way to Germany and then all the way back to Texas. As a young kid I grew very fond of that handy little 5.5lb carbine.

In Feb of this year I was perusing the Cabela's Gun Library and they had what turned out to be an unfired AO trade in for $600. Needless to say now my kids are very fond of "The War Baby" and I have a lightweight, nostalgic and effective 5.5lb carbine that is deer, hog and SD capable at 100yds or so. It's also super easy to load for.

[dverna]

Not poo-pooing a shotgun for home SD at all, but they're are a some misconceptions with regards to pattern and penetration where SD is concerned.

A few years ago I read a post on the subject of home defense with shotguns loaded with birdshot. In the post, someone knew someone, who knew someone, who knew someone that was shot in the chest at very short range (6 feet if memory serves) with a load of #6 birdshot out of a 12 ga. The purported victim waited patiently for the ambulance, was transported to the emergency room where the shot was removed and he was then sent home, supposedly. In an attempt to show the poster that it would be near impossible to survive a shotgun blast to the chest at the range, even one loaded with birdshot, I performed a hasty, informal test by firing a 1 1/4 oz. load of #6 from an I/C choked 12 ga. at a piece of 1 1/8" sub-flooring at 10 and 20 feet-

Entrance-

https://i.imgur.com/oEMwGabl.jpg

Exit-

https://i.imgur.com/4BSMwJWl.jpg

I had pretty good idea what the results would be because as a knuckleheaded kid that grew up in the country roaming the river behind our house with a shotgun, I'd shot at everything imagine able with shotguns and knew that at close range even birdshot turns things inside out. But what I learned from my impromptu test was a couple of things; First, a shotgun, even one with an open choke at 20', fires surprisingly tight patterns and would need to be aimed almost as deliberately as a rifle or handgun. Second, if a 1 1/4 oz. load of #6 will so easily penetrate a 1 1/8" sheet of laminated plywood, a couple of pieces of 1/2" sheetrock wouldn't even come close to stopping it, change that from #6 to buckshot and penetration would be even more dramatic.

Sorry about the digression, back to the subject of the .30 Carbine and its effectiveness or lack thereof.

We gun folks sometimes lose perspective on the subject of cartridges. We seem to forget that cartridges don't actually kill, the bullets launched from these cartridges do. One perfect example is the 10mm Auto. "Uncle" Ted Nugent used his 10mm to take a gemsbock, and wildebeest and of all things a Cape Buffalo, so now anytime the subject of a defensive handgun for anything smaller than a Tyrannosaurus Rex comes up, the 10mm is the most widely recommended cartridge. The heaviest load I could find for this cartridge is 200-220 gr. cast bullets at 1200 fps. I own a couple of 130+ year old 1873 Winchesters in 38-40. Either, loaded with a 192 gr. cast FN bullet and 2.2 grs. of Swiss 3Fg. a hair over 1400 fps. So tell a fellow gun folk you're going buffalo hunting with a 10mm or that you're carrying the same for bear protection while salmon fishing in Alaska, and you're liable to get a grin and two thumbs-ups. Tell them you're going to do the same with a 130 year old Winchester in 38 WCF and they'll probably volunteer their help in the search for your marbles.

And so it has been for years with the .30 Carbine. Loading manuals and magazine articles pretty much state that the cartridges usefulness is for plinking and maybe small game. Then along comes the .327 Federal Magnum (A .31 caliber revolver cartridge) and claims that revolvers so chambered will do marvelous things. Richard Mann seems especially fond of it-

"This means the .327 Federal Mag.’s projectiles will penetrate similar to 125- and 158-gr. hollow-point bullets from .357 Mag. loads. It also means they are very likely going to damage more tissue...." "....it’s clear the cartridge has the right stuff for coyotes, deer and even felonious fiends." americanrifleman.org, April 2010

"The 130-grain hardcast load from Buffalo Bore Ammunition is even suitable for bear defense."- americanrifleman.org, August 2018

"It will perforate a large bear's skull..." Buffalo Bore, of their .327 Hard Cast load

But when you compare the ballistics of these two very similar cartridges, ballistically, the .30 Carbine does roughly at 125-150 yds. what the .327 does at the muzzle.

I think it's pretty well established that the .30 Carbine's "problem" is the FMJRN bullets that have always been loaded in it. Load it with expanding or frangible bullets and I think one reaches an entirely new dimension. I'm not a big fan of gel testing bullets to determine their effectiveness, but there are a few YouTube videos of .30 Carbine tests with 110 gr. SP's and all of them expand well and penetrate quite remarkably considering their lack of sectional density.

I keep one of my carbines in the house for SD.

35W

Great post

[ulav8r]

Uncle Charlie used to bird hunt with a Browining Auto 5 20 gauge. Left it on the screened in porch just outside the kitchen door, leaning up against the wall. One weekend several of his grandkids were visiting, Boom. Luckily the muzzle was higher than any of the grandkids. There was a clean hole through the 3/4 inch tongue and groove decking and shingles. Aunt Mildred raked him over the coals and demanded that he never again leave a loaded gun where the kids could get to it.

I was not there at the time, but I did see the hole a few days later. Looked like it had been made by a slug instead of #8 birdshot.