1st post - what Keith bullet is this ?

[stubnt]

Thanks for letting me lurk and buy some things for the past few months/years.

I recently purchased a quantity of cast bullets at a local auction, but I didn't get the mold.

Does anyone recognise the bullet on the right below, like what mold and model?

The blue one on left for comparison is a known Lyman 429421.

Alloy is unknown, but I can't scratch it w/fingernail.

It averages 262 gr and it's about .433 unsized.

I powder coated a few and soon will find out how they shoot.

thanks

[Mal Paso]

The base band looks too heavy and forward bands too light for a Keith. There are a lot of other SWCs.

I've never seen a Keith baseband longer than the middle band. One of his concerns was lead displaced by the Lands deforming the bullet. The bottom of the wide baseband bullet will be less flat from the displaced lead when exiting the barrel.

[onelight]

It looks like it could be a 429244 that has been changed from a GC to a plain base bullet.
Welcome to the forum !

[onelight]

Hensleygibbs made some molds with a thick base like that .

[StuBach]

It looks like it could be a 429244 that has been changed from a GC to a plain base bullet.
Welcome to the forum !

I don’t think it’s a 429244, 244s have a rounded crimp groove instead of the ramped style. Ramped style makes me think it’s something more modern? Check out Accurate Molds’ designs and see if you can match that profile in his catalogue. If you find one similar go to the info page and see if it’s based on someone else’s mold design.


http://www.accuratemolds.com/catalog.php

Edit: I followed my own advice and on page 15 of his designs there is the 43-250 which is a clone of the Lyman 429-421 which might be correct?

[onelight]

I don’t think it’s a 429244, 244s have a rounded crimp groove instead of the ramped style. Ramped style makes me think it’s something more modern? Check out Accurate Molds’ designs and see if you can match that profile in his catalogue. If you find one similar go to the info page and see if it’s based on someone else’s mold design.


http://www.accuratemolds.com/catalog.php


Edit: I followed my own advice and on page 15 of his designs there is the 43-250 which is a clone of the Lyman 429-421 which might be correct?
You may be right I thought the bullet looked like it was not well filled out (rounded corners ) also part of one side of the base is sized more Than the other but it may have started crooked in the sizer.:)
Edit to add pic.
My 429244 doe not look like the one Lyman shows in the latest catalog.

[FISH4BUGS]

How about a H&G #503?
Maybe with the GC shank removed?

[44MAG#1]

How about a H&G #503?
Maybe with the GC shank removed?

I may be very mistaken but the #503 was plain base only. right?

I looked on all the H&G charts I could find and none were #503 GC.

[FISH4BUGS]

I may be very mistaken but the #503 was plain base only. right?
I looked on all the H&G charts I could find and none were #503 GC.

You are correct.

[MT Gianni]

At one point I saw 11 different bullets all thrown from Lyman molds labelled 429421. Whenever cherries changed you were sure to get something similar to the last one, but not an exact match.

[Burnt Fingers]

At one point I saw 11 different bullets all thrown from Lyman molds labelled 429421. Whenever cherries changed you were sure to get something similar to the last one, but not an exact match.


I've got four 429421 molds. Two single cavity, two double cavity.

All four are slightly different.

[stubnt]

Interesting. Never realized they changed design on the same model. Thanks guys.

[alamogunr]

Even more modern designs are not sacred. A few years ago there was an almost contentious thread about changes made to the original Scovill designed .45-270-SAA by RCBS. Most of the differences were minor but not to the fans of the original.

I've got a 2 cavity RCBS mold and two of the 4 cavity MP molds. Both shoot well enough for me not to be able to differentiate. From the discussions I've seen about Lyman changes going back to Keith's complaints, those changes were not necessarily minor.

[rockrat]

Also suspect it is a #503. I bought an Arsenal mould with the 503 design and it looks just like that

[Bazoo]

http://www.sixguns.com/BookOfThe44/bot44c41.htm

Down towards the bottom of this article is a bullet shown very similar to the one in question, from a Cramer mould.