A New Earth?

[exile]

Will there be a new earth?

Is this new earth described in the Bible?

If a new earth is coming, who will live there?

How should the possibility of a new earth effect our response to problems like global warming?

If there is to be a new earth, will it last forever, or will it perish like the old one?

What do you think?

exile

[Ozark mike]

Humans are incapable of understanding whats coming.

[Thunder Stick]

Here is what The Bible, The Word of God, says about it.

Revelation 21:1-8
New International Version
A New Heaven and a New Earth

21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’[b] or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

[exile]

Thirteen comments on Tim's thread on obeying the speed limit and only two on the idea of a new earth, where there may or may not be speed limits at all? Come on guys, you're making me feel bad! (No offense Tim, it's all in good fun.)

exile

[Ickisrulz]

Here's my input:

The description of the New Earth is highly symbolic, just like the descriptions of Hell. We are not meant to take these things literally. The main idea of the New Earth is that God will make his home with man and evil will be removed.

[dannyd]

Is there global warming, we don't know to little data. I only own a KJB and in it the new earth does not apply to the saved Raptured out by Death or the Trump of God. So I don't worry about. Please make sure your ready when the Hospice Nurse calls your name.

[dtknowles]

Thirteen comments on Tim's thread on obeying the speed limit and only two on the idea of a new earth, where there may or may not be speed limits at all? Come on guys, you're making me feel bad! (No offense Tim, it's all in good fun.)

exile

No offence taken, I am glad you started a thread. I have not figured out a good comment to contribute.

Tim

[dangitgriff]

Here's my input:

The description of the New Earth is highly symbolic, just like the descriptions of Hell. We are not meant to take these things literally. The main idea of the New Earth is that God will make his home with man and evil will be removed.

Sounds good to me. We don’t need Congress, anyway.

[ioon44]

Here is what The Bible, The Word of God, says about it.

Revelation 21:1-8
New International Version
A New Heaven and a New Earth

21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’[b] or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Amen and read the whole chapter of Revelation 21. This what is going to happen no matter what people think.

[dannyd]

Everything in Revelations will come true, but the Church (saved people) will not be there. We will have been called up ether by death or Rapture before Revelations Chapter 2 is finished. Never really looked at those new bibles they leave a lot out.

[1hole]

We are told very little about the coming new earth and coming new heaven on earth other than they will be. Therefore, we can make acceptable guesses by inference of what little we do know without being dogmatic about it.

First, the words "new" creation can mean either a literal new heavens and earth OR it can mean that this present world will be burned over, completely cleansed by fire and remade again in the same sense as an old house can be totally remade "new" again. I believe the second choice is correct but I wouldn't kill or die for it.

Consider these four points:

1. God made new creations each day of the first six and he called each day of his works "good". Therefore I find it hard to believe that God will allow Satan to corrupt His good earth and heavens past saving.

2. Totally destroying what we now see would be, to some extent, giving the old serpent a small moral victory and I doubt God will grant him even that tiny taste of revenge.

3. The earth was made for man and man was/is made from the elements of the earth. After our physical death we will return to the dust from which we came; thus, we and earth were made for each other. I don't see any reason to believe that relationship will change after the physical resurrection and restoration of both man and earth.

4. We're told that Jesus will be our King and reign from his throne in a new Jerusalem for eternity. We are NOT told that Jesus will be king of some place other than earth.

Those four are my major ideas about the new creation, seems they all point to us eventually returning here for eternity. But I'm quite ready to listen to reasoned counter proposals; hopefully something more reasoned than "I've always been taught thus and so, so that's what I believe." (I've been taught a lot of plausible things that I later learned were totally incorrect!)

[dtknowles]

So there is going to be this New Earth cleansed of all evil with Jesus on a throne in New Jerusalem. It will be populated with all the saved from all eternity. That is going to be interesting.

Tim

[dangitgriff]

A libertarian paradise!

[dannyd]

So there is going to be this New Earth cleansed of all evil with Jesus on a throne in New Jerusalem. It will be populated with all the saved from all eternity. That is going to be interesting.

Tim


When the Rapture comes and the bodies of the dead in Christ rise We will get new bodies not male or female and will already be with the Lord before the new heaven and earth come to pass. It's going to awesome you don't want miss it. Are you ready for the Hurricane my last one in the Gulf was Fredrick in 1979 almost moved Mobile to Nashville. It's was great being in the eye got to see all God's power. Be safe and take care.

[1hole]

So there is going to be this New Earth cleansed of all evil with Jesus on a throne in New Jerusalem. It will be populated with all the saved from all eternity. That is going to be interesting.

Tim

Been reading your Bible? It appears you're already aware of all that; you're finally doing good!

[dtknowles]

When the Rapture comes and the bodies of the dead in Christ rise We will get new bodies not male or female and will already be with the Lord before the new heaven and earth come to pass. It's going to awesome you don't want miss it. Are you ready for the Hurricane my last one in the Gulf was Fredrick in 1979 almost moved Mobile to Nashville. It's was great being in the eye got to see all God's power. Be safe and take care.

I am ready for Laura but it looks like it is going to miss us. I have rode out many hurricanes and have been in the eye more than once. I have also evacuated more than once and am glad I evacuated for Katrina.

Tim

[Wayne Smith]

My one comment is that as I read the comments of those who have seen Heaven - and there are several - my one conclusion is that the language is inadequate to describe the experience. Valliant attempts are made, but they all are inadequate.

I trust God for the end times, and realize what I believe will make absolutely no difference in what He will do.

[wv109323]

I think the new earth will be much like the Garden of Eden. After God created all he said things were very good. It seems like God was satisfied with his creation with the exception of the Devil introducing sin into the world.
Since Satan will be locked in the bottomless pit, the new earth will be sinless. The word paradise can roughly be translated" a peaceful garden usually with fruit trees". Read the account of the pre-fall of Adam. God walked with his created in the cool of the evening.

[Ickisrulz]

I think the new earth will be much like the Garden of Eden. After God created all he said things were very good. It seems like God was satisfied with his creation with the exception of the Devil introducing sin into the world.
Since Satan will be locked in the bottomless pit, the new earth will be sinless. The word paradise can roughly be translated" a peaceful garden usually with fruit trees". Read the account of the pre-fall of Adam. God walked with his created in the cool of the evening.

The devil is not needed for man to sin. Man does it all by himself (sin entered the world through one man, not Satan).

Just a thought here, where does the Bible ever say that the sinful human race will end or stop reproducing? If fallen man continues to have children, these children will be sinful fallen creatures also that need salvation.

[dangitgriff]

Rapture or bust!
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200902/59a1e1589b6ffda0f676c69dc22b14ac.jpg

[exile]

"Of old you laid the foundation of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
They will perish, but you will remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
You will change them like a robe, and they will pass away,
but you are the same, and your years have no end."

Psalm 102:25-27 (E.S.V.)

exile

[smithnframe]

And……..will there be lead there?

[Combatmedic63]

Here's my input:

The description of the New Earth is highly symbolic, just like the descriptions of Hell. We are not meant to take these things literally. The main idea of the New Earth is that God will make his home with man and evil will be removed.

You might want to read or re-read Revelations because a "New Heaven and New Earth" is not as you say "symbolic". There are very precise descriptions in Revelations of both.

[Ickisrulz]

You might want to read or re-read Revelations because a "New Heaven and New Earth" is not as you say "symbolic". There are very precise descriptions in Revelations of both.

I stand by my statement. Revelations in whole uses symbols to express its message. This holds true in the descriptions of the New Heaven and New Earth. If you take things in the Bible that are symbolic and interpret them as literal and absolute you will get the wrong message and bring about disappointment.

The First Century Church would have never understood the descriptions in Revelations to be literal. The original audience also would not have seen "Revelations" as being as mysterious as today's audience does. Mainly because they would not have tried to put a concrete meaning on every little detail in the text. They would have looked at the whole seeing the overall message...which is pretty apparent. After all, the book is named Revelations.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

Will there be a new earth?

Is this new earth described in the Bible?

If a new earth is coming, who will live there?

How should the possibility of a new earth effect our response to problems like global warming?

If there is to be a new earth, will it last forever, or will it perish like the old one?

What do you think?

exile

Maybe the new earth will have a new Firmament?
Maybe it will be much like it was before Flesh man was created, when all spiritual beings lived there, because we will all be in spiritual bodies (I assume) during the time of this "new earth described in the Bible"

[Combatmedic63]

I stand by my statement. Revelations in whole uses symbols to express its message. This holds true in the descriptions of the New Heaven and New Earth. If you take things in the Bible that are symbolic and interpret them as literal and absolute you will get the wrong message and bring about disappointment.

The First Century Church would have never understood the descriptions in Revelations to be literal. The original audience also would not have seen "Revelations" as being as mysterious as today's audience does. Mainly because they would not have tried to put a concrete meaning on every little detail in the text. They would have looked at the whole seeing the overall message...which is pretty apparent. After all, the book is named Revelations.

“I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband” (Revelation 21:2).

“It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west. The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb” (Revelation 21:11-14).

“The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass. The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, the fifth onyx, the sixth ruby, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth turquoise, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst. The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of gold, as pure as transparent glass” (Revelation 21:18-21).

“I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp” (Revelation 21:22-23).

“Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life” (Revelation 21:27).


Seems pretty descriptive to me. We all believe what we want to believe but this is to precise for me to ignore as "Symbolic".

[Ickisrulz]

“I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband” (Revelation 21:2).

“It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west. The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb” (Revelation 21:11-14).

“The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass. The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, the fifth onyx, the sixth ruby, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth turquoise, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst. The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of gold, as pure as transparent glass” (Revelation 21:18-21).

“I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp” (Revelation 21:22-23).

“Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life” (Revelation 21:27).


Seems pretty descriptive to me. We all believe what we want to believe but this is to precise for me to ignore as "Symbolic".

You seriously don't see the symbolism in the passages you listed?

Do you think New Jerusalem is literally going to be dressed like a bride? Do you think Jesus became an actual lamb? How can the Father and Son become a physical temple and take the place of the sun for providing light for the city? If the city were made of all the items listed it would be structurally unsafe and the roads would wear out very quickly. I won't even ask if you think God has actual books that he uses to keep track of things.

What you have in those passages are symbols used to convey a message. They are "precise and descriptive" symbols that are not meant to be taken literally.

Many Christians would do well to take a class in basic Bible interpretation or read a good scholarly book on the topic. From what I have seen, many pastors need this as well.

[Combatmedic63]

If the city were made of all the items listed it would be structurally unsafe and the roads would wear out very quickly. I won't even ask if you think God has actual books that he uses to keep track of things.

Are you really serious? We are talking about God, the Alpha and Omega, the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth. Do you really think that "structural things" or roads wearing out would hinder Him. Really ??? Look around you at nature and all the wonders of the Earth and you are thinking about God being hindered in any way. Oh, and no I don't believe He uses books to keep track of things because he is the Almighty, not a human that needs to remember things by writing them down. The only book that I do believe in is the "Lambs Book of Life" because the Bible says it is real.

I guess you won't know for sure until the Rapture happens.

[Ickisrulz]

If the city were made of all the items listed it would be structurally unsafe and the roads would wear out very quickly. I won't even ask if you think God has actual books that he uses to keep track of things.

Are you really serious? We are talking about God, the Alpha and Omega, the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth. Do you really think that "structural things" or roads wearing out would hinder Him. Really ??? Look around you at nature and all the wonders of the Earth and you are thinking about God being hindered in any way. Oh, and no I don't believe He uses books to keep track of things because he is the Almighty, not a human that needs to remember things by writing them down. The only book that I do believe in is the "Lambs Book of Life" because the Bible says it is real.

I guess you won't know for sure until the Rapture happens.

I would think that God in his omniscience would know that building a road, a city or a wall from pure gold would be a bad idea and I don't think he'd do it. Then again, I know that the symbolism in Revelations is to show the value of God living among man, not the ability of God to by-pass the limits of the physical world he created. It is important to identify the actual message the Bible is conveying.

(It is interesting to note that the record of God operating outside the physical laws of the universe when dealing with man are few and far between in the Bible.)

I noticed that you did not comment on the other obvious symbolism I pointed out. Are you starting to see my point?

[exile]

No one has answered smithnframe's question? Personally, I feel, given the list of minerals mentioned in Revelation 21:18-21, that lead will be present, and that no smelting or fluxing will be required. But, hey, that's just me talking!

My question is, will there be any pre-1964 Winchester model 70's in the New Jerusalem?

exile

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

wouldn't the New Jerusalem need a New Winchester model 70 ?

[Thundarstick]

I would like to point out, it's Revelation, NOT revelations. There was only one Revelation, the sacrifice of the Son of Man and his redemption and reconciliation of man to God the father!

[Good Cheer]

Yes to a "new Earth". Besides, we'll be rid of these meat suits so anything would be a very different experience.

[dverna]

I do not know and do not care. It will be what it will be. His way will be done.

What any man or I think or want to believe is immaterial.

What I care about is what God wants me to do to serve Him. At 71, I am still not sure about that. I believe that is a good thing....as my work is not done.

[Good Cheer]

Matters to me. The previous world, this one, the world to come.
That's part of what I'm to understand; what I am and why I'm here.

[Good Cheer]

I do not know and do not care. It will be what it will be. His way will be done.

What any man or I think or want to believe is immaterial.

What I care about is what God wants me to do to serve Him. At 71, I am still not sure about that. I believe that is a good thing....as my work is not done.

Good point Don.
We moved a thousand miles north in faith because of being shown to. And, we think we are here to accomplish work that is not yet done.

[farmbif]

how many have died in wars fought over religious beliefs. because we are in a free country we each have a right to our own beliefs. one persons interpretation of the version of the written bible that they believe in may be very different than someone else interpretation. the best I can do is to respect what someone else might believe and leave the preaching up to the preachers.

[Good Cheer]

Farmbif,
I'd reference you to the maxim that all wars are bankers' wars.
That doesn't mean the individual trooper doesn't get sucked into it because the propagandists were successful in convincing him it was for a god. Governments always do that one way or the other, even if they are communists!
:holysheep

[fixit]

I think you'll find communism has been a bigger killer in just the 20th century than all the religious wars from antiquity. Further, most religious wars are a cause of convenience.... the rulers of the moment use whatever means available to stir up the masses....in some cases, it just happens to be religious dogma.

[Good Cheer]

Heh, at that time when global government is almost together, what are the party faithful going to think when the devil is out in the open and claiming to be god? What a terrible time to realize they were conned.

[tarbe]

I would think that God in his omniscience would know that building a road, a city or a wall from pure gold would be a bad idea and I don't think he'd do it. Then again, I know that the symbolism in Revelations is to show the value of God living among man, not the ability of God to by-pass the limits of the physical world he created. It is important to identify the actual message the Bible is conveying.

(It is interesting to note that the record of God operating outside the physical laws of the universe when dealing with man are few and far between in the Bible.)

I noticed that you did not comment on the other obvious symbolism I pointed out. Are you starting to see my point?

I would encourage all believers to study the use of the term "heaven and earth" in the OT.

You will find it does not refer to a literal heaven and earth....but the people and priesthood of old Israel. Read the prophets especially.


All things have been made new, since the finished work of Christ. His kingdom is not of this world....remember?

[wv109323]

I take as much of the Bible as I can as literal. There are obvious symbolic terms in the Bible but I take as many as possible as literal. If words not not have specific meanings then then there is no way to communicate between mankind.
The statement" I rode a horse to the store to buy a watermelon"
If horse don't mean horse and store not mean a store and watermelon doesn't mean watermelon, the statement could be interpreted as" A man rode a flying saucer to Jupiter to buy some Tang."

[Good Cheer]

But never forget that scripture teaches on different levels. Not that everything you read has multiple levels of meaning but on guard for the rest of the story.

[popper]

2. Totally destroying what we now see would be, to some extent, giving the old serpent a small moral victory and I doubt God will grant him even that tiny taste of revenge.
Not an old serpent anyway but with man gone from earth, why not a new one? Might read Book of Enoch. Some real weird descriptions of 'end times'. Even the OT has some gory details of Gods PUNISHMENT.

[Good Cheer]

The old serpent is playing the same role in this world as in the last.
But yeah, people certainly should study Enoch.
And here's good place to start.
https://i.imgur.com/F97z8KW.jpg

[ioon44]

Ecclesiastes 1:9
New King James Version
That which has been is what will be,
That which is done is what will be done,
And there is nothing new under the sun.

[Good Cheer]

Just something thought I'd throw out there...

This planet's surface and the stars above are artistic works of prophecy as well as being material constructs for God's plan.
When His plan reaches the point that the second Earth age has run its course then these constructs will have served their purposes and it'll be time for the new Earth.

[Alabama358]

wouldn't the New Jerusalem need a New Winchester model 70 ?
Genesis 1
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

He may have felt the same way about the original Pre-64 Winchester model 70 "and saw that it was good"

So maybe... we won't necessarily need a new Winchester Model 70... just one rolled back to its original perfection, maybe with a highly figured stock made of the tree of life to match our new spiritual bodies :Bright idea:

:bigsmyl2: see what I did there
(Metaphor: Adam/Current Man/ Regenerated Man... Model 70 Pre-64/Model 70 Post 64/ Regenerated Model 70 Pre-64 with new furniture)