Need a source for rubber buckshot and slug componets

[Geezer in NH]

tried Bing, Google and non found any help is needed. We need them for wild life control and just the balls not loaded out of sight priced commercial rounds. TIA

[skeettx]

On the big bay

6.5 LBS Santoprene Pellets Thermoplastic Rubber Injection Molding Dark Grey TPV

[Ozark mike]

I use wax for my not so lethal but still hurts rnds

[navyvet]

Rock salt?

[turtlezx]

what about soft air bbs??

[swamp]

Air soft bbs is what I load for in house use. Next in line is skeet load. The bbs aren't worth much beyond 8 or 10 feet.
swamp

[W.R.Buchanan]

go on Ebay and search Paint Balls.

There are lots of solid plastic projectiles in .68 cal which would load right in a regular shot shell wad just like my .662 round balls. do.
They have regular Nylon Round Balls which are about 55 gr and about $.35 ea.. There are also ones with a steel ball inside and they are around 100-125 gr or @1/4 oz. They are more like $1.00 ea and are designed to break glass.

There are also some ones that look like Foster Style Slugs and they are in the 1/4 oz range and what a bargain at $3.75 each. They say you can use all of these over indefinitely, however I don't see anyone finding them to reuse for our probable uses.. They are designed to be used on a Closed Range where you can just sweep them up and re use them in your Paint Ball gun. that could be cost effective.

These are used in Paint Ball Guns for "Training Purposes" but I doubt any of the Rioters are firing paint balls when these are available.

Out of a shotgun with only a pinch of powder these would hurt pretty bad. I can easily see 6-800 fps with a primer and 1-2 gr of Bullseye. If they hit bare skin they'd definitely leave a mark ! I'd be looking for Butt Shots mostly.

My BPI solid shot cup/wad/gas seal weighs 166 gr filled with Silicon Caulk, I think filled with Wax they would weigh more. Seems like something in the 300 gr range would be the ticket. Mine are not weight forward enough to fly strait and that's why I stopped at 5 made. I knew they wouldn't work.

Right now we are back to Rock Salt as something non lethal that would still make an impression.

Randy

[Geezer in NH]

Thanks guys but not fit application. I did finally find some 18mm solid bouncy balls a Amazon and have a 100 on the way to try and make a load.

If they work with enough speed with small amounts of powder it would be great as then they could be fired in the flare guns boaters us but I tend to doubt it.

[skeettx]

.72 inches in diameter, WOW that will HURT
Only one ball per round in a 12 gauge shotgun?
12 gauge bore size is nominal .729

[375RUGER]

Did ya get some glow-in-the-dark balls so you can retrieve and reload?

[Geezer in NH]

At less than ten cents each delivered these are the pretty swirly colored ones. Going to load using a gas seal and wads to fill to make a good crimp.

[W.R.Buchanan]

Source for these balls? How much do they weigh? If these are in the 200 gr range they could be useful.

18MM should be .708 in dia and would work in a regular shot cup with about 1/4" of spacers below it. You wouldn't have to worry about it being too big while in the shot cup because the ball will squish then it goes thru the barrel or any constriction.

Randy

[Geezer in NH]

I got them off amazon. That would be nice just use a standard wad and space up like I do with lead ones. Never gave the squishy ting a thought Thanks. I'll update when the arrive

[Geezer in NH]

The balls have arrived today. Measure anywhere from .695 -.700 not quite perfect in roundness. Weigh average is 67.4 grains.

I can push a clay-buster wad with one in it through an 870 cylinder bore barrel that measures .725 with my ML SS range rod. I did not measure how many pounds it took but it was not hard to at all.

I am going to try loading one or two with a small charge of Red Dot across the chrono and see what happens.

[W.R.Buchanan]

My TPS wads filled with Silicone seal weigh 166 gr but they are not weight forward enough to fly strait. Maybe a little more experimentation on assembly could yield a decent shooting non lethal projectile. I'm thinking filling 2/3's with silicone let dry, then a pinch of #8 shot then fill to the top with more silicone to finish.

If this would fly strait it, could be a very viable Non Lethal SD round as it would be around 200-250 gr.

Randy

[dverna]

Randy,
What is the rationale for a non-lethal SD round?

Thanks

[Ozark mike]

Well get hit with a superball at 1000 fps i imagine youd have some rational words and thoughts

[W.R.Buchanan]

Randy,
What is the rationale for a non-lethal SD round?

Thanks

It is for use when you want to make an impression on something, but not necessarily kill it. It's like rubber bullets used in Riot Control which I wish we'd see more use of lately.

I have a Lady LAPD Cop friend who lives down the street from me. She was stationed in Chatsworth, but her and her girlfriend were called to Down Town LA during the worst of it. All the Squad cars were gone, so they drove down in her girlfriends personal car. They were on the line when she noticed that her car was burning. She ran over and managed to get her 870 and 4 boxes of Bean Bags out of the car before it burnt to the ground. She substantially fired 94 rounds of Bean Bags at the *****s that were assaulting them over the next few hours. She made every shot count and nobody was killed, but there were some real sore Arses the next day. IE: she was making an impression !!!

I would kiss her if I could find her! I personally would like to see more of this as the people on the receiving end are mostly anarchists who are being paid by Geo Soros, Antifa and BLM. IE: Commies who are actively trying to bring this country down. I don't like them !!!

Randy

[Geezer in NH]

I loaded and test fired some today.

Hull Winchester wally-world cheapy cut down to 2 /12 to rid crimp
wad Clay Busters = to Win 12L 7/8 ounce
primer Win 209
Powder Red Dot = to lite skeet load Sorry won't give amount.
Rolled crimp

Dummies functioned fine in a Mossberg 500 and an 870 feed from the magazine tubes and ejected fine.



5 shots averaged 949 FPS, 1 shot blew up a water filled gallon milk jug splitting wide open with a exit hole on the back. Not as loud as a target load and zero recoil.

Non Lethal NOT they are under the 1000 fps needed for wildlife control. No problems with ejection in both guns. The Mossberg had a full choke tube in place with the 870 a cylinder bore.

I do not recommended this to anyone work up your own loads to your reason.

I thank you WRB for your help.

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[Davedude]

Thank you geezer for following up with that, I was curious. Good to know I can load those balls in something other than a paintball marker.
I have been interested in paintball in the past, bought a couple markers years ago but they sat and the o-rings rotted. Now with the current situation I began to look into it again for less lethal use. Bought a used 68 cal full auto marker off of ebay (mistake) and a few different types of hard 68cal balls from both ebay and amazon. Am having to rebuild the marker, a Tippmann A5, just got all the parts I needed yesterday.
I think but am not sure---- regular paintball guns and ammo are set more or less to about 250fps and will raise a bump or bruise. For sure with easy tweaks to stock markers the paintball velocity goes up over 300fps.
The idea was to full auto the hard .68cal balls for some "less lethal" persuasion. Even at 250fps it may be effective but am hoping to get the gas system on this marker set up for over 300fps and deliver a hopper full.
Would it be possible to load these hard paintballs in a 12 ga round to get 300fps?

[W.R.Buchanan]

Thank you geezer for following up with that, I was curious. Good to know I can load those balls in something other than a paintball marker.
I have been interested in paintball in the past, bought a couple markers years ago but they sat and the o-rings rotted. Now with the current situation I began to look into it again for less lethal use. Bought a used 68 cal full auto marker off of ebay (mistake) and a few different types of hard 68cal balls from both ebay and amazon. Am having to rebuild the marker, a Tippmann A5, just got all the parts I needed yesterday.
I think but am not sure---- regular paintball guns and ammo are set more or less to about 250fps and will raise a bump or bruise. For sure with easy tweaks to stock markers the paintball velocity goes up over 300fps.
The idea was to full auto the hard .68cal balls for some "less lethal" persuasion. Even at 250fps it may be effective but am hoping to get the gas system on this marker set up for over 300fps and deliver a hopper full.
Would it be possible to load these hard paintballs in a 12 ga round to get 300fps?

first Welcome Davedude. My sons name is Dave Dude! I had to do a double take!

Loading these into a shot shell with anything more than a primer will result in alot more than 300 fps ! At least double that, and probably more.

Randy.

[Davedude]

first Welcome Davedude. My sons name is Dave Dude! I had to do a double take!

Loading these into a shot shell with anything more than a primer will result in alot more than 300 fps ! At least double that, and probably more.

Randy.

Thanks Randy! Wonder what the threshold fps is for less lethal with the hard 68 cal plastic ball, any guess?
I have a new account but have been here for years. I've been reloading since about 1980. I could not remember how to log in or my account was closed so I had to create new. I was always here to read and learn from all the fine people that share their knowledge and never posted much. I'm on with the same name at the falfiles.

[missionary5155]

If it has not been mentioned hot glue will make a fine none lethal buckshot. Be sure your old cavities are smooth.

[rockrat]

I might suggest peppercorns, but they might not be less than lethal

[Blood Trail]

I just secured a source for #4, #00, and .690 rubber buckshot.


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[Geezer in NH]

PLease add so the rest of us can also.

Note: we need them for black bear deterrent. Bears are a problem to agriculture in our state.

[arclight]

Try shooting whatever shot you load at a couple of layers of cardboard at various ranges. You want the pellets to penetrate around one layer of cardboard but not more or else it easily creeps into the "lethal" range. Most less-lethal ammo is around 300-350fps if I recall.

[Ozark mike]

Yeowchhh 950 fps thats gonna leave a mark. And possibly a lifeless body on the lawn

[arclight]

It also depends on range - you might be able to get away with 950fps if your application is chasing off bears at 50 yards, since they have 2" of fur and hide and the projectiles slow down quickly. For civil unrest applications, that's going to be up close and personal so I would definitely test on cardboard first.