Accurate full size 1911 under 1K?

[Jtarm]

What’s a good, accurate 1911 .45 ACP for under $1,000?

“Accurate” to me is 2” groups at 25 yards.

[Thumbcocker]

Rock Island

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[LUCKYDAWG13]

Ruger sr 1911 is what you're looking for

[poppy42]

I agree with the rock island! I can get a rock island combat classic for under $400 in a LGS! For a little more ya can get lot of gun! Can’t touch a Ruger for less than seven or 800! And I believe Rock Island was once a manufacturer for colt. Personally I’m just saving the money for mine. I’ve never heard a bad word about a rock island 45.

[Winger Ed.]

That's enough budget to scout around and find a gently used Colt.

Is it 'better'? Maybe, maybe not.
However; I've never known anyone to have buyer's remorse, or make excuses for one.

[smithnframe]

Metro Arms American Classic II

[Petrol & Powder]

Ruger sr 1911 is what you're looking for
+1 on the Ruger

[megasupermagnum]

Is there a 1911 that won't shoot 2" at 25 yards?

[tazman]

Is there a 1911 that won't shoot 2" at 25 yards?

None of mine will, but that is with me shooting them.
With someone who is an excellent shot, all of mine will. I have had that demonstrated to me.
That's also why I didn't make a recommendation.

[1006]

I would look at the Springfield Range Officer.

[contender1]

Ruger SR1911.

[Brad Cayton]

What they said! Hard to beat the Ruger SR1911. I have 4 1911s. A Ruger, a Springfield RO, a DW Guardian and a RI. The Ruger is my pick of the litter.

[Scrounge]

I agree with the rock island! I can get a rock island combat classic for under $400 in a LGS! For a little more ya can get lot of gun! Can’t touch a Ruger for less than seven or 800! And I believe Rock Island was once a manufacturer for colt. Personally I’m just saving the money for mine. I’ve never heard a bad word about a rock island 45.

Old Rock Island was a US Arsenal. Modern Rock Island is a company in the Philippines. Also known as Armscor International. Not saying they're bad, BTW. I've looked at them at my favorite LGS, and they're at least as nicely made as mine looked and felt when I first got it.

My current and only functional 1911 is a Tisas ZigM1911. Made in Turkey. Got it a few years ago for $375, and love it. When I took it out of the box to look at it, I shook it. It did not rattle like the old GI 1911's my dad used to have. I've run a couple of boxes of Winchester factory hardball and a couple of hundred rounds of handload through it. It shoots better than I do. IMO, that's all you can ask of any gun.

[Jtarm]

Is there a 1911 that won't shoot 2" at 25 yards?

How do you think all those famous 1911 smiths like Clark, Pachmayr, Swenson, et al became famous? Mostly accurizing 1911s for bullseye shooters. The platform wasn’t originally known for gilt-edged accuracy, and tightening them up often compromised reliability.

[osteodoc08]

A used full sized Dan Wesson. Hand fitted, no MIM parts. Just gotta keep an eye out for them.

[wv109323]

I would recommend the SA Range Officer,then a DW but a Rock Island is a solid bargain. IMO two options that make a 1911 more shootable is sights and a lighter trigger pull.
As far as bullseye pistols being unreliable not from a good pistolsmith. I have a competition pitol that went way over 5000 rounds without a malfunction

[wv109323]

I would recommend the SA Range Officer,then a DW but a Rock Island is a solid bargain. IMO two options that make a 1911 more shootable is sights and a lighter trigger pull.
As far as bullseye pistols being unreliable not from a good pistolsmith. I have a competition pitol that went way over 5000 rounds without a malfunction

[FLINTNFIRE]

Rock Island is a good one for quite a bit less then your listed amount , have bought 7-8 , of them in 45acp and a couple in 38 super , no issues with any of them and I have owned colt series 70 , Norinco 1911 , Springfield and Safari Arms along with some others built from parts .

In the end it is whatever you want to buy , you can buy for the name on it , for special features , or any other reason , I find that the Rocks are reliable and the ones I have bought are capable of that accuracy , lots of choices in that price range .

[megasupermagnum]

How do you think all those famous 1911 smiths like Clark, Pachmayr, Swenson, et al became famous? Mostly accurizing 1911s for bullseye shooters. The platform wasn’t originally known for gilt-edged accuracy, and tightening them up often compromised reliability.

2" at 25 yards isn't exactly gilt-edged accuracy. 2" at 50 yards is a far tougher task, and I would think bullseye shooters would try for even better. I have only found a couple of full size pistols that won't shoot 2" at 25 yards with their prefered load. Even a Taurus 1911 met that requirement. I'm talking careful bench shooting, or machine rest shooting under ideal conditions, with great eyes.

[35remington]

I am wondering if now is a good time to find any pistol of any kind under 1K.

I wish the OP good luck in his search at a time when everyone is buying everything available.

[KYCaster]

How do you think all those famous 1911 smiths like Clark, Pachmayr, Swenson, et al became famous? Mostly accurizing 1911s for bullseye shooters. The platform wasn’t originally known for gilt-edged accuracy, and tightening them up often compromised reliability.


They built their reputations modifying COLT 1911's.

Jerry

[GhostHawk]

I paid 500$ for my mid 90's era Springfield Armory. It looks, feels like GI issue.

My father in law was drafted out of high school, because he was a farm boy he was put to work running a D6 cat feeding a rock crusher.
The only problem was the Rock Crusher was working on making crushed rock for an air field up near Chosen.

For years he would not talk about that time of his life at all. Eventually he learned to share with other vets.

He mentioned to me that he wanted to hold one again. I did not question why, just went and found the closest 1911 to GI Issue I could.

Next trip when the wifes went off to the bedroom I put it into his hands.

It was like he was using it like a key to unlock old memorys. As he remembered an old friend his face would light up, he would smile. Then before long the tears would come. His whole body would shake. Took him both hands to just hang onto it. He did this for 4 hours or so. Then he thanked me, handed me back the gun. Asked what I was going to do with it.

I told him I won't shoot it much, little more than I need. But it will be kept clean, oiled, and in a special case. It is "Rogers Gun" even if he never carried it in combat. When his grandchildren are ready they will shoot it. Be told the story's I was told. It will be a way to remember a Grandpa as a special man.

One who survived the Frozen Chosen. It will be a heritage of his house.

And when I told him this he cried again. Gave me a hug. Asked what he'd done to deserve me.

You spent your time in H E L L old timer. Anything I can do at this point is long since paid for.

He is still alive, but racked with Parkinsons, and has been unable to see his wife for months because of the Covid.

To be Honest Rogers gun scares me a bit to shoot it. I have to reach down deep, grab a double handful of intestinal fortitude. Then grab the gun and make sure I don't make any mistakes. I guess it is built for a little bigger man than I am. Inside or out.

Sleep well Roger, we've got ya covered from here.

[22cf45]

Very easy choice, Springfield Range Officer.
Phil

[onelight]

GhostHawk thanks for posting that .
Those men survived a trip to Hell and deserves the respect of all of us.
My uncle was a marine also at Chosin when they were overrun and was MIA for weeks , he was found on a hospital ship where thy could not id him until he woke up . He was saved under fire by other American soldiers strangers also wounded that would not leave him behind .
Amazing men .

[Martin Luber]

I would look at the Springfield Range Officer.

This. It is what MOST of the Bullseye shooters are starting with. In 45 ( not 9) it performs well right out of the box and can be easily tuned to do better.

NRA pistol Master

[Martin Luber]

The 1920s commercial Colts shot well, milspec had to be loose.

A properly built 1911 target gun will feed empty cases and run for 1000s of rounds with no faults, mine has, even after over 100,000 rounds.

[thraxx]

I was able to get a new Kimber for $600. I'ts not one of the fancy ones, but has been working good so far...

[Burnt Fingers]

Here's my advice. Take it for what it's worth.


1. Get the sights you want. It often requires machining the slide to change sights. If you want adjustable sights then make sure you buy them on the gun.

2. Get the grip safety style you want. Again it often requires machining the frame to switch.

If you could find a used Dan Wesson that has what you want I'd jump on it. BUT...finding one is like winning the lottery. Even more so with what's going on.

Also, don't buy one and start switching out parts. Shoot it first. Shoot it a LOT. Then decide if there's anything needed.

Be aware that 1911 parts are not drop in. Most of them are going to require some fitting.

[Idaho45guy]

Remington R1. Mine is the "Limited" model and was $549 shipped. It's been flawless, and even though I haven't bench tested it at 25 yards yet, it is showing promise at 10 yards off-hand with cheap ammo...

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[oldhenry]

Another vote for the Ruger SR1911. I have a full size in .45 ACP & an OM in 9mm. Out of the box both have a 4 lb. (very smooth) trigger & excellent sights. In short: no modifications needed. In fact I'm thinking seriously about a LW in 9mm.

My series 70 Colt had many modifications & never quite made it to the point to be equal to the "out of box" SR1911s.

[derek45]

Hand fit a KART barrel

https://i.imgur.com/aAeSrWW.jpg

[Win94ae]

Is there a 1911 that won't shoot 2" at 25 yards?

I was going to say that.
My friend came down to shoot his RIA 1911 a few weeks ago, his shot great. I actually hit the 2 inch target at 25 yards with it.
Both my 1911s shoot under an inch, one is a Remington R1S.

[TNsailorman]

I just smile when I hear someone say the 1911 platform is outdated and unreliable. I know I am listening to someone who has never owned one or who is just not knowledgeable about them. I am a revolver man but the 1911 is one pistol which I have owned several and never found anything to complain about. I had a Colt series 70 that I shot in local combat competitions that would shoot a 1" group easy at 25 yards, most being one hole. My buddy who was a really accomplished bullseye shooter shot a 25 shot group at 25 yards one day after a combat match just to try it out. The group was just one hole with all shots in the hole which was about the size of a 50 cent piece. I envied his concentration as I would never be able to concentrate that well for 25 shots.

[Rich/WIS]

What are you planning to use it for? Casual shooting, CC, IPSC, or Bullseye competition makes a big difference in what options you want. Have had a dozen or so 1911's over the last 40+ years and accuracy varied a good bit but only maybe 2 or 3 were capable of 2" from a rest at 25 yards. In terms of mechanical accuracy biggest factor for me was trigger pull and adjustable sights. The fit of barrel, slide and bushing is important, but meaningless if you can't clearly see the sights (and adjust POA to POI) and/or the trigger pull is terrible . One recommendation I have frequently heard was to get a low cost gun and then add options. Disagree with this, as an earlier another poster noted this is not always a DIY project and by the time you buy all the upgrades (and perhaps have to pay to install) you won't save much, if any, money. Buy the best you can afford that has all or as many of the bells and whistles you want. If needed invest in a trigger job by a 1911 smith who knows how to give you a minimum travel, crisp 4-4.5# pull. Only 1911 I kept was a SA Range Officer, excellent sights, tight fit on parts, and a really good trigger out of the box. Only upgrade was a straight mainspring housing (personal preference) and grip tape on the front strap. Did pick up a RIA tactical a while back but used it as a donor frame for a Kimber conversion kit and have never fired it as a 45. Does appear very well made and had all the extras I wanted on a frame with a really great trigger. FWIW the fit of the slide, barrel and bushing was excellent and the low profile sights were easy to see although not adjustable. There are many, many options available today in your price range.

[BigAlofPa.]

Some of my Rocks.

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[35 Whelen]

Another vote for the Rock Island.

A few years ago when I had my FFL, someone ran a special on them for $349, so I snagged a couple and gave one to my son. I was shocked at how accurate it was.

35W

[siamese4570]

My 9mm 1911 RI shoots great. Have the Ruger 1911 in 45. Like em both. The RI is less expensive and neither one has the dreaded firing pin safety.
Siamese4570

[Norske]

If your purchase has a terrible trigger, have a gunsmith replace the sear with one from Wilson Combat and stone the hammer legs to fit. It's an inexpensive and very effective trigger job.

[KCSO]

#2 on the springfield R/O if it is not a duty gun, for duty you want fixed sights. My R/O from the box went under 2"at 25 yards and fed and functioned with al sorts of leftover reloads. It has yet to miss a lick with anything but dented cases.

[Green Frog]

Does the Rock Island 45 have a forged frame or is it investment cast? A wrong answer here would be a deal breaker for me.

I agree with Burnt Fingers on most of his post, especially about looking for a gun that already has most of the features you want, and about not changing parts willy-nilly before shooting a lot to see what you need. Alternatively you might start with the cheapest Plain Jane model you can find, shoot it a few hundred rounds, then have it built to what you would then know you want... you could probably do all of this for under your $1000 budget and get exactly what you want.

Froggie

[BigAlofPa.]

From RIA
Our 1911 Frames are Cast 4140 Carbon Steel and our Slides are Forged 4140 Steel.
https://www.armscor.com/support-center/faqs/

[Shepherd2]

Springfield Armory Range Officer.

[Drm50]

I’m looking for a plain jane 1911 right now. I’m S&W revolver guy although I have 52 target auto.
I’ve owned dozens of Colts & GI issue 1911s over the years. I also sold guns for years and still dabble in repairs and trades. I’m not looking for a target pistol. I’ve shot countless clones and parts guns. Never seen one that wouldn’t do minute of gut at 25 feet, without sights. I strictly look for dependability and value. I’m willing to Spend $800-$1000 on a Colt. It will do what I need and will still be worth the price I paid down the road.

[GhostHawk]

I have a mid 90's era Springfield Armory 1911 in .45acp. Looks and acts like GI Issue. Shoots well. Not that I am that fond of it. Frankly it scares me a little.

I would not be at all afraid to try a RIA 1911. I have one of their Model 200 revolvers in .38spcl and love the heck out of it.
Nothing fancy to look at but solid as you could ask for.

I have heard very few criticisms of RIA 1911's. And the few I do see tend to be concerned with .22tcm or 9mm 1911's not full sized.
If I ever needed/wanted another 1911 I think they'd get the nod.

[Petrol & Powder]

Ruger has proven that cast steel, when done properly, is an outstanding method to create frames and other firearms parts.

As for the accuracy of a 1911 style pistol, it really comes down to the fit of the barrel to the slide and the slide to the frame. When the parts lock up exactly the same way every time, the pistol will be capable of decent accuracy. The trick is making the pistol tight enough that you achieve the repeatability needed without making it too tight to reliability function.

Not that long ago, people were buying Norinco pistols just to get a low cost frame and then spending a lot of time and money to build a pistol on that frame. That actually worked fairly well.

The 1911 scene has changed considerably over the years. You can now get a very good, "out of the box" 1911 without spending a fortune on a high end name.

I once had a new Kimber that was the equal of a new Les Baer used by an acquaintance. My pistol cost less than half of what he paid for his.

One of the WORST 1911's I ever owned was a brand new Colt that came out of the Colt Custom Shop. I paid a small fortune for that pistol and it was never right. However, in contrast, one of the best 1911's I owned was a well used Colt Series 70 Lightweight Commander. Despite the aluminum frame and lots of mileage, that was an great pistol.

Of the current crop available, I think the Ruger is hard to beat in terms of value. The titanium firing pin makes the pistol safe without a need for complex firing pin safeties. The integral plunger tube is a nice feature for durability. The cast steel parts allow Ruger to keep the cost down while putting the savings into the other aspects of manufacturing. Ruger has mastered the art of investment casting and I would put their steel up against any other manufacturer.

[Burnt Fingers]

I’m looking for a plain jane 1911 right now. I’m S&W revolver guy although I have 52 target auto.
I’ve owned dozens of Colts & GI issue 1911s over the years. I also sold guns for years and still dabble in repairs and trades. I’m not looking for a target pistol. I’ve shot countless clones and parts guns. Never seen one that wouldn’t do minute of gut at 25 feet, without sights. I strictly look for dependability and value. I’m willing to Spend $800-$1000 on a Colt. It will do what I need and will still be worth the price I paid down the road.

Colt = poverty pony.

If I were in the market for a new 1911 at any price Colt would be far down the list.

[AnthonyB]

I have a mid 90's era Springfield Armory 1911 in .45acp. Looks and acts like GI Issue. Shoots well. Not that I am that fond of it. Frankly it scares me a little.

I would not be at all afraid to try a RIA 1911. I have one of their Model 200 revolvers in .38spcl and love the heck out of it.
Nothing fancy to look at but solid as you could ask for.

I have heard very few criticisms of RIA 1911's. And the few I do see tend to be concerned with .22tcm or 9mm 1911's not full sized.
If I ever needed/wanted another 1911 I think they'd get the nod.

Ghosthawk: Not being critical, just curious. Why does the 1911 scare you?
Tony

[Drm50]

Colt = poverty pony.

If I were in the market for a new 1911 at any price Colt would be far down the list.

Ok, what would you buy that would be dependable and would hold its value? Not even the top shelf 1911s will do that. If they are used, they won’t sell for new price, why would they? A $400 1911 used is worth what? Ruger probably next and nice gun, well made and accurate. I only ever shot one and did excellent. Used you can figure on at least 25% lose. Colt holds its value and actually has more chance to gain value.

[Texas by God]

The Colt, whether a good one or not, wont depreciate much due to the Name. They produced some stinker 1911s in the 80s that needed work from the get go but I never lost money on one.

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[BCB]

I would look at the Springfield Range Officer.

Right...

Got one and I love it...

Nice feel and it is so easy to use

I've never had a ftf or cycle problem with any of the reloads I put through it

Good--Luck...BCB

[Drm50]

The Colt, whether a good one or not, wont depreciate much due to the Name. They produced some stinker 1911s in the 80s that needed work from the get go but I never lost money on one.

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Yes, you are right on series 80, that’s why I want series 70. There have been a couple 9mm used shooters in $800 range, no 45 yet. I’m in no hurry if the SHF I’ve got enough other irons to fend them off. Actually selling out my hunting & target guns and only keeping family heirlooms. Buying a 1911 and a AR for social purposes.

[Conditor22]

Rock Island M 1911 GI Standard Pistol $429.99
https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/handguns/rock-island-m-1911-gi-standard-pistol/p/p55907



Ruger SR1911 .45 Auto Centerfire Pistol $675.00 -- $879.99 depending on options
https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/category.cfm/sportsman/1911-pistols/brand/ruger/of3/45-acp

$779.99
https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/ruger-sr1911-45-auto-centerfire-pistol-201039084


You can't go wrong with either of these!!!!

do some research and see which one suits you better , this was a quick search, you may be able to do better

maybe buy from Cabella and go to raise . com and buy gift cards at 9% off face value

[Burnt Fingers]

Ok, what would you buy that would be dependable and would hold its value? Not even the top shelf 1911s will do that. If they are used, they won’t sell for new price, why would they? A $400 1911 used is worth what? Ruger probably next and nice gun, well made and accurate. I only ever shot one and did excellent. Used you can figure on at least 25% lose. Colt holds its value and actually has more chance to gain value.

I guess we live in different worlds.

I don't base my purchases on what they might be worth on some future date. I buy them to use. I've owed a lot of Colt 1911 pistols. Every broken 1911 part I've had has been a Colt part. Every 1911 I've had a problem with has been a Colt.

I also own/owned

Dan Wesson, both of which are worth more than I paid for them.
Springfield Armory
S&W, one of which is worth more than I paid even through it's been my EDC for the past decade.
Sig Sauer I sold that one for exactly what I had paid for it.
Rock Island Armory
Remington it's currently worth more than I paid for it.

It must be a sad life when you rely on future value. I buy because I want it and will use it.

[megasupermagnum]

I don't know about the very lowest end 1911's, but I'm fairly sure you won't loose money based on brand. They will be worth less used for a few years, but I feel rather confident that by 10 years, any brand will at least keep it's value by that time, many will appreciate.

[tazman]

I guess we live in different worlds.

I don't base my purchases on what they might be worth on some future date. I buy them to use.
It must be a sad life when you rely on future value. I buy because I want it and will use it.

I agree wholeheartedly with that. Safe queens have no place in my home.

[Win94ae]

Ghosthawk: Not being critical, just curious. Why does the 1911 scare you?
Tony

Actually, he said the Springfield Armory 1911, scares him, not 1911s in general. "I would not be at all afraid to try a RIA 1911."

[charlie b]

Just a comment on current and future values.

If you buy a gun for $500 today and in 10 years you sell it for $500 you have lost money. The value of a dollar changes over time. Few guns increase in actual value over time, especially if you buy new and have to deal with the initial loss in value.

Changes in politics and other factors can drive prices such that you can make money buying and selling guns. Buy low, sell high. Buying a gun now when prices are generally high means what you have won't be worth as much when the politics change again. What you can do is sell a few guns at the inflated prices to finance a purchase you want.

[Drm50]

Exactly what I was trying to explain. I buy what I want and very seldom buy new. If you buy used solid top shelf firearms you will not lose money and may gain some. New stuff with price adjusted for value of the dollar really hasn’t changed much. By top shelf in hi condition and you get to use a good gun and keep value. Almost all major gun companies have changed hands at least once in last 50yrs. What survives in most cases is just the Trade Mark.

[Idaho45guy]

Exactly what I was trying to explain. I buy what I want and very seldom buy new. If you buy used solid top shelf firearms you will not lose money and may gain some. New stuff with price adjusted for value of the dollar really hasn’t changed much. By top shelf in hi condition and you get to use a good gun and keep value. Almost all major gun companies have changed hands at least once in last 50yrs. What survives in most cases is just the Trade Mark.

My Al Biesen Model 70 stock was purchased for $500 in 1996 and is worth around $5000 today, so yeah, high quality firearms and components can increase in value. My Mel Smart rifle built in the 90's for a couple of grand is now worth around $17k.

I wish it wasn't. It was a rifle built for Canadian moose hunting and now I'm too scared of damaging it to actually take it hunting. I want guns I can use to their full potential rather than worry about what they are worth.

Anybody want a Mel Smart prototype Pre-`64 Model 70 in .35 Whelen for $15k? I'll make you a deal!

[Ozark mike]

Ive been looking at Springfields 1911 for a while now but i still feel like there overpriced for what they are but i also am a revolver guy who wants the best accuracy available but would also like a repeater so i guess what im saying are any of these offerings capable of 3 moa or better. Cause I've yet to see one. Ok let the bashing begin

[Idaho45guy]

Ive been looking at Springfields 1911 for a while now but i still feel like there overpriced for what they are but i also am a revolver guy who wants the best accuracy available but would also like a repeater so i guess what im saying are any of these offerings capable of 3 moa or better. Cause I've yet to see one. Ok let the bashing begin

You want a semi-auto pistol that will do 3" or better at 100 yards? That's kind of like wanting an SUV that will get 50 mpg with room for 8 passengers.

[Burnt Fingers]

Ive been looking at Springfields 1911 for a while now but i still feel like there overpriced for what they are but i also am a revolver guy who wants the best accuracy available but would also like a repeater so i guess what im saying are any of these offerings capable of 3 moa or better. Cause I've yet to see one. Ok let the bashing begin

The best of the bespoke 1911 builds will hold under 2" at 50 yards.

You're not going to find ANY production 1911 that will do 1.5" at 50 yards.

[Ozark mike]

Yeah thats kinda what i was gettin at. I have seen purpose built target 1911s but can't remember what kinda groups they got i know they didn't impress me

[megasupermagnum]

Yeah thats kinda what i was gettin at. I have seen purpose built target 1911s but can't remember what kinda groups they got i know they didn't impress me

2" at 50 yards isn't impressive!?:confused:

[charlie b]

Ive been looking at Springfields 1911 for a while now but i still feel like there overpriced for what they are but i also am a revolver guy who wants the best accuracy available but would also like a repeater so i guess what im saying are any of these offerings capable of 3 moa or better. Cause I've yet to see one. Ok let the bashing begin

You can stand and shoot 3MOA at 100yd?

[Burnt Fingers]

2" at 50 yards isn't impressive!?:confused:


You can stand and shoot 3MOA at 100yd?

I was wondering the same thing.

I guess there are some revolvers that can hold 3" at 100 yards. But I'd like to see it done with iron sights.

[charlie b]

Someone should correct this if inaccurate since I have not been around bullseye competition for a long time.

FWIW, the 50yd NRA slow fire pistol target has a 1.695" Xring (~3MOA). I would guess that 1911 pistols meant for bullseye competition would be able to hit the x. But, I do not know of anyone with a perfect score at 50yd (all X's). IIRC, most of the competitors are using 1911 design pistols for this event (.45cal) rather than revolvers. The centerfire (.32acp) and rimfire events are dominated by special semi-auto target pistols like Hammerli. Not sure but I believe there is still an event dedicated to revolvers using the .38spl.

[El Greco]

I had a good luck with Kimber’s.
As for 2” at 25 yards, that also depends on the driver instead of the car.

[lksmith]

Ruger sr 1911 is what you're looking for

Yup! Very pleased with mine. I have right around $1000 in mine, and that's with a Stainless 460Rowland kit, Hogue Lasergrips and a few other small tweaks here and there. Out of the box it was very Accurate! I also had a Blued High standard (Made by Armscor in the phillipines, same folks as RIA i think) that I paid ~$450 for and it will easily hit a gallon milk jug at 50yds with a novice shooter and has a trigger that puts my all my other pistols (including Kimber) to shame

[Ozark mike]

I was wondering the same thing.

I guess there are some revolvers that can hold 3" at 100 yards. But I'd like to see it done with iron sights.

Without getting into a hot debate yes i have off the bench or with a rest but that is the end of it because there has been people on here call me out saying im full of it. And it cant be in previous threads

[Sig556r]

All my 1911s are less than $1k even the ones I assembled myself.
STI Spartans (9mm/38super & .45acp) - reliable, good resale value & accurate enough to shoot in IDPA ESP & CDP
Sigs (TacOps .45acp & Fastback .357sig/9mm) - smooth-racking, accurate, 45acp in my nightstand, 357sig bobtail grip for easy CCW
RIA (Officers 45acp/9mm & Fullsize 40S&W) - built the officers on aluminum frame, not as accurate, .40S&W choosy on bullet meplat.
Kimber (BP Ten-II 45acp) - double-stacked, plastic frame, accurate, s80, made earlier than newer crapshoot models
Para (ProCustom 9mm) - double-stacked, accurized OTB, most expensive of the bunch ($999 after rebate)
Springfield 1911A1SS 45acp - my first 1911, milspec trigger & grip safety (bites!), heavy but mild recoil
Ruger SR1911SS commander 45acp - bought it new for $599 someone offered me $699 a week after, sold.

[charlie b]

Without getting into a hot debate yes i have off the bench or with a rest but that is the end of it because there has been people on here call me out saying im full of it. And it cant be in previous threads

I don't really disagree. There are 'bullseye' 1911's out there, just not sure how much you need to spend to get one to shoot that well. Probably about the same as revolvers that will shoot that well.

I've had 'less expensive' semi-autos and revolvers that shot far better than they should have. Just get lucky with one that has a great trigger and all the parts line up the way they should. A good gunsmith can make either type shoot better with a bit of work. Just depends on their experience and how much needs to be done.

[44MAG#1]

Actually the X is in the 10 Ring and is only used as a tie breaker. A person can shoot a perfect score at 50 yards on a long line bullseye competition. It has been done but they weren't all X's only some were. They counted all 10's. 20 of them equals 200 points A 10 ring is 3.375"



Someone should correct this if inaccurate since I have not been around bullseye competition for a long time.

FWIW, the 50yd NRA slow fire pistol target has a 1.695" Xring (~3MOA). I would guess that 1911 pistols meant for bullseye competition would be able to hit the x. But, I do not know of anyone with a perfect score at 50yd (all X's). IIRC, most of the competitors are using 1911 design pistols for this event (.45cal) rather than revolvers. The centerfire (.32acp) and rimfire events are dominated by special semi-auto target pistols like Hammerli. Not sure but I believe there is still an event dedicated to revolvers using the .38spl.

[Winger Ed.]

Actually the X is in the 10 Ring and is only used as a tie breaker.


That's how I've always heard it it.
If 2 people shoot a perfect score, The tie would be broken by something like:

If one person had '50--- 7-X' it would read 50 points, 7 in the X ring
Another might have '50--- 3-X' it'd be as 50 points, 3 in the X ring

[charlie b]

I understand that part, just didn't describe it carefully enough. What you describe is proof that ~6MOA can be achieved standing. So, maybe 3MOA would be a reasonable accuracy level for a bullseye pistol fired from a rest, and, a decent 1911 should be able to achieve that.

[44MAG#1]

Offhand shooting is something that needs to be looked at with a large degree of logic. Something that can be done doesnt mean that it happens on a frequent basis if one is honest about it.
There are few people that can shoot 6 MOA OFFHAND groups consistently. I will say that doing so on a consistent basis Is what I would call an improbable possibility..
The only thing that actually matters is what one can do on a regular basis. Meaning more likely than not. The best one can do and the worst one can do only figures in the extreme spread of the statistical variation on what one can do. You have the extreme spread, standard deviation, average, mode and median of what one can do.