Glock is coming out with the Gen 5 .40 S&W versions this Fall.

[Idaho45guy]

Was really looking forward to getting a Gen 5 G23 for the past 3 years since I really like my Gen 5 G19 MOS. Glock finally announced that they are ending the production of Gen 4 models and moving forward with producing Gen 5 models in .40 S&W in October. However, they are giving first priority to law enforcement agencies, so it may be some time before they are available to civilians.

No word on the .45 ACP or 10mm models.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/07/02/glock-gen4-guns/

[osteodoc08]

I don’t see many LE agencies buying new Glock 22 gen 5 models
Based on current trends.

I wouldn’t mind a new G20

[Larry Gibson]

I distinctly remember "back in the day" when "the Glock" first was introduced. It was highly touted by all the "experts" as a "perfect" end all design/concept with little or no room for improvement....... now the Glock is at "Gen V" ........:roll:

[Petrol & Powder]

Funny how marketing and engineering cause changes in "perfect" products :-)

[BNE]

Yes, but, there are still new designs / modifications coming out on the 1911. Just sayin....

[Petrol & Powder]

BNE, you're absolutely right. I think the point is people produce items and say, "This is perfect, there couldn't possibly be room for improvement" and we all know there is usually room for improvement.
It's not criticism at all, it's just a funny fact of life.

[rintinglen]

It's a Glock: there's room for improvement.

[Larry Gibson]

It's a Glock: there's room for improvement.

Besides being butt ugly they do make good "throw aways"......

[Der Gebirgsjager]

Butt ugly could apply to about 85% of the newer handguns on the market, unless one was born with an affinity for black plastic.

Wasn't there once a famous poet who said, "A Glock is a Glock is a Glock." Oh, no...I think that was a rose. Anyway, although Glocks may have passed through mainly ergonomic changes the design and function remains basically the same. They are tough, durable, reliable, and fairly accurate. They'll continue to be around for a while. I own 3........ and never shoot them.

[dverna]

Besides being butt ugly they do make good "throw aways"......

I used to be a snob about them too. Only carried Kimbers for a long time but I never carry a 1911 now. The Glock is a fighting pistol. I can shoot the 1911 better, but accuracy is not the only requirement for a carry gun.

I will wait for the LEO Gen 4's to hit the market and add one or two more.

[Petrol & Powder]

It seems as if you put the word "Glock" in a thread title, the thread takes on a life of its own. :razz:

I never hated Glocks but I'll readily admit it took a while for me to warm up to them. It was mostly the trigger that wasn't quite a single action and wasn't quite a double action. I never thought it was horrible, it was just a little foreign to me.

NOW, the more I shot Glocks the more I appreciated them. They are incredibly reliable and incredibly durable. Their strength is their reliability. In fact, I began to see the beauty in the engineering that went into the Glock (the actual aesthetics are still a bit lacking, sorry).

The ONLY polymer framed, striker fired pistols I own are Glocks. The Glocks are always the simplest version of that platform and while others have certainly copied the Glock, IMO, no one has improved it.

It is almost impossible to make a Glock stop functioning. its simplicity is its greatest strength.

[elmacgyver0]

When they do fail they do a good job of it.

[Petrol & Powder]

When they do fail they do a good job of it.

That could be applied to any gun and there are a lot of guns that fail with greater frequency.

[Winger Ed.]

It's a Glock: there's room for improvement.

Sure there is.
Tupperware and Rubbermaid is improving on their plastics all the time.:dung_hits_fan:

[Murphy]

Glocks are fine guns for those that like them. I owned a Glock 17 I got on a great deal about 15 years back. I have zero idea as to what Generation it was. I shot a few rounds through it for a function check more than anything. It was then regulated to it's intended purpose, a truck gun. Later, I found the Springfield XD-45 Tactical much more to my liking and it took the Glocks place. Adios Mr. 17.

What has amazed me about Glock the company. It seems many people would be highly interested in a single stack, full sized .45 Auto that utilizes an 8 round magazine and perhaps a thumb or grip safety. But that's just my thoughts when it comes to a Glock.


Murphy

[Texas by God]

Mr Murphy, that is the Glock I want- the one they dont make.

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[Der Gebirgsjager]

It seems many people would be highly interested in a single stack, full sized .45 Auto that utilizes an 8 round magazine and perhaps a thumb or grip safety. But that's just my thoughts when it comes to a Glock.


Murphy

That's exactly the one I'd want. I have a Mod. 21, but it's a double stack and has a fat grip. That's o.k., I guess--I can shoot it, but a single stack would be better. Let's see here....a single stack .45 with a good grip.....kind of sounds like a 1911. But, if Glock made a single stack .45 with a thumb grip I'd be in line to buy one.

DG

[Idaho45guy]

Shooting my 1911 is like driving a muscle car; it's fun and nostalgic. But my Gen 5 G19 does everything better. Nearly half the weight with nearly twice the capacity and much less acreage.

Compared to my P365, the 1911 is simply an outdated and inefficient novelty.

264414

But if someone wants to handicap themselves when choosing a tool to defend their life with, that's their decision.

[Texas by God]

Shooting my 1911 is like driving a muscle car; it's fun and nostalgic. But my Gen 5 G19 does everything better. Nearly half the weight with nearly twice the capacity and much less acreage.

Compared to my P365, the 1911 is simply an outdated and inefficient novelty.

264414

But if someone wants to handicap themselves when choosing a tool to defend their life with, that's their decision.Yes, I will handicap myself in your opinion. I have 9mm handguns, but power wise they are wimpy compared to the .45 auto. Need proof? Shoot a 5 gallon bucket of water from above with your favorite defense 9mm load. Do the same with the .45. Do the 9mm first because the .45 will break the bucket!
Sorry for the drift.

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[kens]

If you are comfortable with a 1911 or HiPower, then you are not handicapped at all because it is an old design.
The thing with Glocks, is that they are at one of the lowest price points in the whole display case.
They are good guns, reliable, accurate enough, but people buy at that price point, then say this is the greatest gun!!
NO, they may the greatest 'at that price point', but the are simply not 'the greatest' in the display case at the store !!

[Petrol & Powder]

So to recap...

We started with a thread about Glock introducing a Gen 5 chambered in 40 S&W,
Then we took the extremely predicable turn to Glock vs. any other handgun on the planet.
Then we went down the 1911 path (pretty much obligatory)
And we are now at the required 9mm vs. 45 ACP caliber war..............

So I guess the next step is to talk about the incredibly important differences between domestic manufacturers of trucks followed by preferences in BBQ styles.
:kidding:

[KVO]

To contribute something of substance to the topic...

The Gen 5 frame notably deletes one of the locking block pins which was originally added to cope with additional stresses imparted by the .40S&W. It will be interesting to see if these will be reinstated for the .40 gen5 models or if some other (or any?) change is implemented.

[Idaho45guy]

To contribute something of substance to the topic...

The Gen 5 frame notably deletes one of the locking block pins which was originally added to cope with additional stresses imparted by the .40S&W. It will be interesting to see if these will be reinstated for the .40 gen5 models or if some other (or any?) change is implemented.

Word is that the .40 S&W versions will have a 2mm thicker slide and frame to compensate. Which of course means a whole new slew of holsters required for the new models.

[dverna]

Word is that the .40 S&W versions will have a 2mm thicker slide and frame to compensate. Which of course means a whole new slew of holsters required for the new models.

If that is true, it will kill it IMHO. Smarter to stay with the older versions.

[pmer]

I thought the 40 SW was dead...too knarly for 9mm shooters.

[dverna]

I thought the 40 SW was dead...too knarly for 9mm shooters.

Most people will shoot the 9mm better because most people are not shooters and most people are recoil averse. When I went to the FrontSight 4 day course I took my G22 but had a Lone Wolf 9mm barrel in it as well as the proper 9mm mags.

I did it for two reasons. First we had to use factory ammunition and there was a significant difference in cost between 9mm and .40. Second, I wanted to score in the top 3% to get the "Distinguished" Cert....which I did. Even though I shoot quite a bit, the 9mm gives me faster recovery so better scores.

In real life, or death, the .40 is a better round IMHO. My fiancé cannot handle it well, as the recoil is a bit much for her, so she is better with another caliber. A lot of LEO's have seen the same thing and moved back to the 9mm. Having more women enter law enforcement has had consequences.

But that is good news for those who like the .40. Good guns are becoming available as the lemmings rush to the 9mm.

I would never buy a 9mm Glock. Better to get a .40 and add a $100 barrel and a few mags to shoot cheap 9mm.

[pmer]

That was tongue in cheek for me. I bet it would be hard to find that occasion where a 9mm would fail and a .40 would pass, both with good ammo.

I have a M&P 2.0 in 40 S&W and a 155 JHP load thats easy shooting and the 175 grain, Lyman 401043 if I want to kick it up a notch. It also feeds the NOE 403200 good. But these come out kinda big for the Smith&Wesson especially after powder coating.

[Larry Gibson]

Agree with Lloyd, in all my years teaching marksmanship (military and LE) I never found anyone [man, woman or child (old enough to be shooting)] that couldn't shoot a M1911 45 ACP with service level ammunition effectively with proper instruction. Once they got past the fear instilled by BS, myth and misguided information of the "horrible recoil" they were quite able to shoot the 45 ACP without any problems. ALL of the female LEOs who were given small framed 38s "they could handle" much preferred the M1911 45 ACPs, especially my Combat Commander. After minimal training they all "qualified" with higher scores than they ever had with the small framed 38s.

[35remington]

Another 40 caliber Luddite here, my main carry piece being an M and P 2.0 3.6 in 40.

Like the size, find it shootable at speed, take comfort in the power/efficiency and large expanded diameter of the HP’s I fire from the piece. Magazines are cheaper than the 9mm iterations due to lower demand.

All good for me. Glad to be able to roll how I want rather than in lockstep with the masses. Definitely doing me.

[dverna]

Lloyd, you have stated the obvious. A more powerful pistol caliber is always a better performer. I never bought into the rationale that "with proper bullets the 9mm performs as well as the .40". Put those same designed bullets in the .40 and it will still have an edge.

The "gun experts" get paid to push stuff to increase sales. The wholesale move from 9mm to the .40 was silly when it happened. And now the move back to 9mm is just as silly. It's not like LEO's shoot a 1000's rounds a year to qualify and they will save any money.

And I do not buy into the recoil issue for ladies and "men" who cannot shoot the .40. It would have been cheaper to have an LEO .40 loading with the same recoil as the 9mm. That would have given LEO's a choice of what to use in one platform. My Glock uses the same recoil spring whether I shoot 9mm or .40. They already make reduced recoil shotgun loads for LEO use.

[FergusonTO35]

I think the .40 is a sweet cartridge for boolits. I feed my Glock 22 (pieced together from used parts) the Lee 401-175-TC over 4.3 grains Bullseye for an accurate and easy to shoot 920 fps. If you can't kill something with that then you need a rifle or shotgun.

[Art in Colorado]

Glocks are fine guns for those that like them. I owned a Glock 17 I got on a great deal about 15 years back. I have zero idea as to what Generation it was. I shot a few rounds through it for a function check more than anything. It was then regulated to it's intended purpose, a truck gun. Later, I found the Springfield XD-45 Tactical much more to my liking and it took the Glocks place. Adios Mr. 17.

What has amazed me about Glock the company. It seems many people would be highly interested in a single stack, full sized .45 Auto that utilizes an 8 round magazine and perhaps a thumb or grip safety. But that's just my thoughts when it comes to a Glock.


Murphy
I think you are describing the 220 Sig. Single stack with 8 round mags. No safety but with double action single action it might not be needed. The Glock just dreams about a trigger like the single action trigger that the Sig has.

[Idaho45guy]

My 1911 came with a crisp trigger with great reset and almost no creep, but heavy at 5.5 lbs for a target pistol. No problem. With my Glocks, it's a $20 part and ten minutes installing it and polishing a couple of spots.

With the 1911, it's sending it to a gunsmith for months and spending half the price of a Glock.

[Drm50]

Let’s face it, Glocks are gut busters and that’s the only use for them other than playing games. They have no or little use for field or serious target. Glocks are strictly a tool, along with all the other plastic pistols. For me I’ll stick with my rusty old 1911s and Brn HPs. I sometimes go a whole week without getting in a gunfight, so they serve me well.

I have never thought to much about recoil of handguns. I have shot magnum pistols as a kid and don’t consider 44mg as severe recoil. Bigger they get noticeable and some Contenders are nasty with Rifle cartridges. In my experience, unless the person is very interested in shooting the 1911 is the hardest one for them to master. Caliber aside.

[FergusonTO35]

Lloyd, you have stated the obvious. A more powerful pistol caliber is always a better performer. I never bought into the rationale that "with proper bullets the 9mm performs as well as the .40". Put those same designed bullets in the .40 and it will still have an edge.

The "gun experts" get paid to push stuff to increase sales. The wholesale move from 9mm to the .40 was silly when it happened. And now the move back to 9mm is just as silly. It's not like LEO's shoot a 1000's rounds a year to qualify and they will save any money.

And I do not buy into the recoil issue for ladies and "men" who cannot shoot the .40. It would have been cheaper to have an LEO .40 loading with the same recoil as the 9mm. That would have given LEO's a choice of what to use in one platform. My Glock uses the same recoil spring whether I shoot 9mm or .40. They already make reduced recoil shotgun loads for LEO use.

I think agencies are always looking for an excuse to buy new toys more than anything else. The fact that Glock gives them prices nobody else can match seals the deal.

[FergusonTO35]

I sometimes go a whole week without getting in a gunfight, so they serve me well.

Dude, do you live on a desert island or something?

[725]

It's like deciding which is better; Ford or Chevy. They both work. If you like apples, go with apples. If you like oranges, go with oranges.

[FergusonTO35]

So to recap...

We started with a thread about Glock introducing a Gen 5 chambered in 40 S&W,
Then we took the extremely predicable turn to Glock vs. any other handgun on the planet.
Then we went down the 1911 path (pretty much obligatory)
And we are now at the required 9mm vs. 45 ACP caliber war..............

So I guess the next step is to talk about the incredibly important differences between domestic manufacturers of trucks followed by preferences in BBQ styles.
:kidding:

Actually, we will be trying to decide whether the 5.56 NATO is the greatest military cartridge ever or a deathtrap for our troops.

[W.R.Buchanan]

I feel compelled to add my .02 to this discussion.

The .40 S&W is a wonderful cartridge which has been deemed Obsolete by gun writers who get paid to write thing to bolster sales, so that the decision to convert back to 9MM is more reasonable, when anyone with a brain knows that it is only about Ammo Cost!

i have been a Defense Contractor for the last 30 years. I bid on contracts frequently. whomever posts the lowest bid gets the contract and usually if they out bid me it is because they are offering an inferior product to what I am bidding on and so far it hasn't made one IOTA of difference. APPLES Vs Oranges who ever offers the cheapest Fruit wins!

I recently got out bid on a Contract that should have been worth @$58K it was for 1 ton Ingersol-Rand Chain hoists that are specially modified for loading the RAM Missiles into the Launcher. (see pic) Last time they were bought directly from IR they went for $7800 + each!

I was quoted $795 From IR for the same Unmodified Chain Hoists which then had to be completely Disassembled, Painted, Reassembled with a new clutch, which IR is pretty proud of, and newly plated chains, and then load tested. I bid $5800 ea which was @$2000 less than IR got for them not 1 year ago, but lost the Contract to a Tool Distributor who bid them at $735 ea!!! Which was $60 less than I could have bought them for before they were modded!

When I complained to the buyer, he sent the whole thing up to a "Technical Specialist " who determined that the cheap outfits product was OK. If someone drops a $Million RAM/Sidewinder Missile on the deck and it goes off, it will kill about 10 people, but cost for a stupid tool matters more!

I have Rebuilt every single one of these Chain Hoists in the Fleet over the last 20 years, and they were all rebuilt to a Specification Drawing,,, which included all the changes I included in my bid which I sent to the buyer. The ones they bought had no changes made to them and they were sent out to the Fleet like that anyway.

The units supplied to the Navy were not modified in any way and even though I made it perfectly clear that what they bought was not acceptable to the NAVY, they bought them anyway. F me!

So if you don't think it's all about cost you are severely mis-informed. And now they have a Computer running that whole show and it is really all about cost now, as it won't let anything thru that even has cost of living increases added to stuff that hasn't been bought for 10 years!

Life sucks right now as they aren't buying anything.

Randy

[35remington]

Yes.

If 40 was as cheap as nine all the complaints about unmanageable recoil would miraculously disappear, I think. And the larger expanded bullet diameter implying a larger permanent wound cavity and the increase in power would also be deemed worth it.

Money does matter most of all.

[skeet1]

Yes, I agree they are butt ugly, however I did carry a Glock 17 for 20 years. They are not the most accurate or the best finished but they do go bang every time,at least that was my experience. The department I belonged to qualified more often than most and most of us carried Glocks. I don't remember when we had any trouble with them. I'll say it again, they are butt ugly!

Ken

[gnostic]

Glock is the Bic lighter of handguns....

[barnabus]

I distinctly remember "back in the day" when "the Glock" first was introduced. It was highly touted by all the "experts" as a "perfect" end all design/concept with little or no room for improvement....... now the Glock is at "Gen V" ........:roll:

yea they are garbage in my opinion. they are the cure for everything if you believe all the hype. all they do is change the grip every other year and call it new.SMH

[onelight]

yea they are garbage in my opinion. they are the cure for everything if you believe all the hype. all they do is change the grip every other year and call it new.SMH
Just a passing fad they will never catch on , kinda like those black rifles the military uses :bigsmyl2:

[Idaho45guy]

Just a passing fad they will never catch on , kinda like those black rifles the military uses :bigsmyl2:

Shhh! You wanna get Jello thrown at you?? Or get a cane to the shins? Just let the ignorant remain ignorant.

[Larry Gibson]

.....and besides all that, my Chevy PU is better than your Ford PU..........

[RoyEllis]

Glock is the Bic lighter of handguns....

I heard Glocks were just a Hi Point with lipstick & a skirt.......

[onelight]

I heard Glocks were just a Hi Point with lipstick & a skirt.......
Now that is funny :-P
Who would want one of those cheap plastic things....get a Springfield XDM [smilie=s: they have the little dodad on the back like a 1911

[straight_shooter]

never a glock man..but they do have a niche.imo.

I picked up a sw40ve in excellent condition ( knew the owner) for pennies on the $$$.

Theres a lot of hate for it from the clock community ,ans SW was sued ans settled.

But that being said..I love it.. no safties..slap in a mag , charge and shoot. light ,comfortable in the hand ..
and a .40, never a personal fan of 9mm.

so a gen5..what will they be asking ? $800-$1000 ?? my copy-cat ( lol) SW you can get for around $300

[FergusonTO35]

I think the S&W SD series is the best bargain in pistols today, we sell bunches of them at my side job shop. I'm thinking about getting one in .40.

[onelight]

This .40 talk got me wanting to shoot my 40s took the 3.8 xdm Thursday and shot some 180 FP hi-tek on 4.5 red dot they shoot 951 FPS in the 3.8 with an extreme spread of 29 FPS SD of 8.8 in mixed range brass WW primers.
I do like me some red dot. This load is .5 grains below max from the 2002 Alliant data.
Oh these shoot good in my buddies Glock 40 to :-P

[Vdubman27]

Maybe not the actual agencies but but the officers who work for them my dept shoots gen 4 model 22 me being a lefty I’m all over gen 5 everything

[roysha]

OH my oh my, I can hardly wait! I'm so anxious for it I'm afraid I may wet my pants. Oh wait, it's just another glock. YAWN!!

[onelight]

I am all for REAL improvements / upgrades on any gun , good business and makes some customers that already have the product buy again for changes they benefit from , everybody wins .

[Idaho45guy]

OH my oh my, I can hardly wait! I'm so anxious for it I'm afraid I may wet my pants. Oh wait, it's just another glock. YAWN!!

Why did you feel the need to post? Do you think anyone cares that you don't like Glocks?

I'm trying to understand the psychology of people that feel the need to go into threads about pistols they don't like and post worthless comments.

I don't like revolvers all that much and find the endless threads here about them boring, but I don't go into every thread about some obscure revolver in an obscure cartridge and start posting inane and childish comments.

Yet every Glock thread gets multiple worthless and disparaging comments that add nothing to the conversation. Why?

Why do people that don't like Glocks think they need to go into every thread about them and start throwing poo everywhere?

[roysha]

Well, since you are so deeply offended by my post, I apologize. I was just trying to inject a bit of humor and obviously failed.