There’s No Such Thing As 12:00 AM or 12:00 PM!

[Castaway]

“Ante” is before, “Post” is after; 12:00 is neither, it’s in the middle. It’s correctly referred to as 1200 noon or 1200 midnight. The nonsense of 12:00 AM or PM is a result of digital clocks and has created its share of nonsense and confusion since it first appeared.

[dangitgriff]

Well, that sucks eggs.
What’s next, you’re gonna tell us the Democrats and Republicans are both working against the Constitution?!
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[Harter66]

But it so much easier to than 0000 and 1200 .

[Tatume]

The official keeper of time in the United States is the National Institute of Standards and Technology, NIST. Their statement on the matter, and therefore the legal opinion, is: "... 12 a.m. and 12 p.m. are ambiguous and should not be used."

[ascast]

OK hers how I got it. "M" means meridian or noon. So 12 AM does not exist. 12 PM is after, or post (P) noon, so it is valid. The problem is in this country we always want to re-invent around an issue rather than correct people. It's kind of like tearing down Grants statues cause you don't want to be a slave.

[one-eyed fat man]

Grateful that my vocations, avocations and hobbies have long used 24 hour clocks and Zulu time.

[Texas by God]

I use an "ish" clock.

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[JimB..]

If your post was sparked by the notice about the server going down I’m surprised you didn’t notice that the times should be EDT and MDT.

[RU shooter]

I use an "ish" clock.

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There ya go problem solved . Lol

[Castaway]

Saw EDT and MTN. They exist, it’s the 12:00 AM or PM that doesn’t.

[DougGuy]

If neither existed, our day would be two minutes shorter, as the clock would go from 11:59 to 12:01 twice a day. My clock goes to 12:00 and stays there for 60 seconds, two times a day.

[JimB..]

Saw EDT and MTN. They exist, it’s the 12:00 AM or PM that doesn’t.
Lol, you didn’t. You saw EST and MST which exist, just not at this time of year.

I wonder what the correct nomenclature is for the very few places that don’t recognize daylight savings time.

[WebMonkey]

you tell 'em.

also, you need to destroy all the old clocks that used IIII for 4, instead of using IV.

stupid punk clock makers not spending extra money for IV.

;)

[bishopgrandpa]

Now I can eat my breakfast in peace. Thank you. I think.

[Larry Gibson]

I'm retired .... don't need no stinking clock.......

[woodbutcher]

:lol: Amen Larry.Amen.
Good luck.Have fun.Be safe.
Leo

[Winger Ed.]

The whole clock, 'what time is it' thing is just a confidence game perpetuated by the Swiss.

[RogerDat]

If neither existed, our day would be two minutes shorter, as the clock would go from 11:59 to 12:01 twice a day. My clock goes to 12:00 and stays there for 60 seconds, two times a day. I don't think the analog clocks around the house are ever going to do the "minute hop" twice a day so if they ever correct the digital ones to skip the non-existent midnight or noon <cheesy grin here> My clocks will all lose 2 minutes a day.

Also I blame the rail roads for all this standardization of time. Something to do with not having two trains at same place at same time going in opposite directions made them get all fussy about time. And industrial revolution, wanting everyone to start work at the same time.

Of course solar meridian and noon are not the same. I think going back many decades that the sun is only at meridian one moment each day and it isn't likely to be at noon but once a year. If that. Yep was able to confirm that the science I learned in the 9th grade still applied.


In most places on Earth, solar noon does not happen at 12 o'clock. The Earth's rotation slowly shifts the meridian experiencing solar noon from east to west. In other words, solar noon happens a little earlier in locations just east of you and a little later in locations west of you.

Yet clocks in both of those locations will say it is "noon" So for much of a given time zone 12:00 AM is really before the meridian but it could also be after to your east. And it is always going to be 12 hrs. before and after midnight.

Does anyone really know what time it is? Does anybody really care? If so I can't imagine why....

[historicfirearms]

I don't care. But someone please explain why we observe daylight saving (no S) time. I suspect it's some type of social experiment to see how much we will put up with.

[Winger Ed.]

I suspect it's some type of social experiment to see how much we will put up with.

That's about what it has evolved into.

And a few people have had enough of it.
One of the Western, desert states no longer switches over to it anymore.

[KYCaster]

I don't think the analog clocks around the house are ever going to do the "minute hop" twice a day so if they ever correct the digital ones to skip the non-existent midnight or noon <cheesy grin here> My clocks will all lose 2 minutes a day.

Also I blame the rail roads for all this standardization of time. Something to do with not having two trains at same place at same time going in opposite directions made them get all fussy about time. And industrial revolution, wanting everyone to start work at the same time.

Of course solar meridian and noon are not the same. I think going back many decades that the sun is only at meridian one moment each day and it isn't likely to be at noon but once a year. If that. Yep was able to confirm that the science I learned in the 9th grade still applied.



Yet clocks in both of those locations will say it is "noon" So for much of a given time zone 12:00 AM is really before the meridian but it could also be after to your east. And it is always going to be 12 hrs. before and after midnight.

Does anyone really know what time it is? Does anybody really care? If so I can't imagine why....


"As I was walking down the street one day, a pretty lady looked at me and said her diamond watch had stopped cold dead. And I said"...

It's still right twice a day!

Jerry

[Bwana John]

That's about what it has evolved into.

And a few people have had enough of it.
One of the Western, desert states no longer switches over to it anymore.

Unless you are on the Navajo Reservation, which does observe daylight saving time, and takes up 1/4 of the state (AZ)

[oldscool]

I hope all this doesn't mean I have to get up before the crack of noon..

[Castaway]

He walked down the dusty street at 12:00 AM, or was it 12:00 PM. No wait, it was high noon. Slowly and carefully he inserted a clip in his Glock service revolver and released the safety.....

[trapper9260]

But it so much easier to than 0000 and 1200 .

It is easyer to go with 1200 and 2400 . I do not wear a watch anyways so it dose not matter .

[Finster101]

I'm retired .... don't need no stinking clock.......

Not true. The retired folks here in Florida rely on clocks to tell them when happy hour and early bird specials begin!

[2A-Jay]

I learned how to us the 24 hour clock I was in the US Navy Sea Cadets at 13 years old. When I joined the Navy I had no problems with it on day one in boot camp. I still have no problem with it. My wife still can not figure the 24 hour clock even though as a nurse she had to use it. Now she asks me to decipher it for her. Never had a worry about what Midnight and Noon is. Time Zones across the country/world are a different story, but when traveling my Cell Phone clock uses Location to correct for time zone changes.

[Winger Ed.]

It is easyer to go with 1200 and 2400 .


As a young USMC issue Sergeant, 9,000 miles away from home:
I turned over the duty log to the SgtMaj one morning after having Duty NCO-
One of my entries was ' 2400. Toured the barracks, all secure'.

I was informed, as only well decorated Sergeant Majors can, that there is no 2400.
What we know as 'mid-night' is in fact 0000. Ten minutes after that is 0010, and so on.

[Hickory]

One minute after midnight the clock should read 00:01.
Two minutes after midnight the clock should read 00:02.
and so on.

Fifty nine minutes after midnight the clock should read 00:59.
one minute after that it would be 1:00.

At mid-day the clock should read 12:00.

KISS

[Castaway]

The origin of the reason the SMAJ said there was no 0000 relates to the original post. Messages should not refer to 0000 or even 2400 to avoid confusion; i.e., if an event is scheduled for 0000, the 4th of July, it could easily be confused with a resultant error of 24 hours. To avoid confusion, schedule events at 2359, 3 July or 0001, 4 July. To those that quibble over such mundane matters, let me suggest they call in arty or an air strike on a position they occupy with a potential error of 24 hours.

[nicholst55]

The origin of the reason the SMAJ said there was no 0000 relates to the original post. Messages should not refer to 0000 or even 2400 to avoid confusion; i.e., if an event is scheduled for 0000, the 4th of July, it could easily be confused with a resultant error of 24 hours. To avoid confusion, schedule events at 2359, 3 July or 0001, 4 July. To those that quibble over such mundane matters, let me suggest they call in arty or an air strike on a position they occupy with a potential error of 24 hours.

In that instance, I would date it like the Brits do: on the night of 3-4 July, XXXX.

[Beerd]

I thought real seamen used bells

[Ozark mike]

Clock whats this clock nonsense i look at the angle of the sun or the relation of the constellations in relation to polaris clocks pfff

[rockshooter]

sheesh! somebody has too much time on their hands- go cast some bullets!
Loren

[Ozark mike]

(whiny voice) Im out of lead

[dragon813gt]

And a few people have had enough of it.
One of the Western, desert states no longer switches over to it anymore.
There’s a reason for that, it’s very hot. People do most of their business once the sun goes down. So it makes sense there to not want more sunlight at the end of the day.

Where I live most people want it permanently pushed forward. We want daylight when get home from work in the winter. Light later in the day is more beneficial for those living in northern latitudes.

I laugh, twice a year, at the people that complain about the time change. It is what it is and you make due. Arizona not changing their time screws up my red eye flights back during the winter. End up getting back later because of it. But it what it is and I make due.

And of course there is the main question, does time exist or is it a human construct? That’s more impotent then midnight and noon [emoji6]

[OldBearHair]

My folks just went on with their work until the ******* (donkey)brayed, then went to dinner, yes, dinner and the *******(donkey) knew what time it was. The evening meal was supper. They didn't need clocks. My uncle would look up in the sky and say" It's 3 oclock, we need to hurry up if we are going to get done before supper time. They got up when the rooster crowed, worked hard all day went to bed when it got dark. Not too much complication there. HuH LOL

[kenton]

If you want something else to be annoyed about, look at time zones as apposed to the longitude they are supposed to relate to. They are all shifted so the sun rises and sets later than it should and high noon is around 11-11:30 for the majority of the time zone.
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Image shamelessly stolen from Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_zone

[Winger Ed.]

My folks just went on with their work until the ******* (donkey)brayed,

My Grandparents were ranchers in the Hill Country, they were like that.
There was a nice clock in the living room, but nobody was hardly ever in there much to see it.

[waksupi]

“Ante” is before, “Post” is after; 12:00 is neither, it’s in the middle. It’s correctly referred to as 1200 noon or 1200 midnight. The nonsense of 12:00 AM or PM is a result of digital clocks and has created its share of nonsense and confusion since it first appeared.

This sounds like something coming out of the colleges today.

[Castaway]

Kenton, apparent noon is on a longitude with multiple of 15, starting with 0 degrees (exception to 15 degrees) at Greenwich. What’s screwed are those countries that have a half hour difference in their time zones.
Waksupi, I don’t know about colleges today, but why would you belittle knowledge of a subject? Please keep it professional and not personal.

[Dapaki]

12:00 AM
12:00 PM

Teasing!

[William Yanda]

The whole clock, 'what time is it' thing is just a confidence game perpetuated by the Swiss.

Well the Swiss may have invented it , but it was adopted wholeheartedly by the. . . . . . . . . .



TIME NAZIS!

[johniv]

No, no, no. There's no such thing as "Fun for the whole family"

[abunaitoo]

a.m. (from Latin ante meridiem, translating to before midday) and p.m. (from Latin post meridiem translating to after midday).
The 24 hour clock makes more sense.

[waksupi]

Kenton, apparent noon is on a longitude with multiple of 15, starting with 0 degrees (exception to 15 degrees) at Greenwich. What’s screwed are those countries that have a half hour difference in their time zones.
Waksupi, I don’t know about colleges today, but why would you belittle knowledge of a subject? Please keep it professional and not personal.

If I asked you to meet me at 12, when would you be there?

[Castaway]

You’ve got a 50-50 chance, assuming we’re in the same time zone

[Omega]

Sounds like someone has too much free time and has a nit to pick. Once a thing has enough common use, it becomes a norm, so 12AM and 12PM exists, you know how I know? I know because if I tell someone to meet me at 12PM, they don't ask for clarification. While technically it may not be correct, it is in common use, and I am but a common man.

And on the Arty comment, when I call for fire, I would sure hope the arty boys would not think I would be calling arty 24 hours in advance, I want it NOW.

[dragon813gt]

If I asked you to meet me at 12, when would you be there?

I’d imagine this is somewhat regional. But if you ask anyone around me to meet you at 12 they’re going to assume 12pm, noon. No one refers to 12am as such. 12am is referred to as midnight. This is literally how I would write it on my time card a little over five years ago. I tried to convince them to switch to military time but the owner was stuck in his ways.

[Castaway]

Omega, it’s common to write Op Orders prior to carrying them out. Sometimes they’re more than 24 hours old before executed. Maybe a poor example but...

[Omega]

Omega, it’s common to write Op Orders prior to carrying them out. Sometimes they’re more than 24 hours old before executed. Maybe a poor example but...
Yes, but call-for-fire is not usually scheduled, and not usually on an op order. An op order would designate who our support would be, freqs, etc but not scheduled. Now, if they are softening up an area, well then yes, it is scheduled to make sure there isn't any friendlies in the AO. I have always used 2400, and never 0000, though both would be understood, just as 12 noon, 12 midnight (though I usually leave the numbers out), or 12am, 12pm would be understood. Again, I understand and agree that it may be technically incorrect, much like boolit but.... :popcorn: