.30 carbine brass

[Ozark mike]

Does anyone know of any cartridge that shares head dimensions with .30 carbine. The gun stores here have nothing for the carbine except a box of ammo for $50. 223 will not work head is larger diameter. searched but came up with very little.

[nhithaca]

Starline makes brass and sells direct.

[Ozark mike]

Was hoping to find something today to cut down seeing how we live 2 weeks from everywhere if i have to i will go that way though

[cwtebay]

Hey there, I see this come up frequently - and please don't take offense to the question - but why do you want to reform brass for this cartridge when so much cheap / readily obtainable brass is available? I don't know if I have gotten less than 10 loadings out of my supply.

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[Ozark mike]

Id have to drive 200 miles just to find some and may be none there . there is none here

[cwtebay]

Id have to drive 200 miles just to find some and may be none there . there is none hereMidway carries starline, and you can order from them directly also.

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[Ozark mike]

This was probably a open and shut case my lyman list no other case except 32acp with close to the same dimensions but is obviously way to short. So unless there is some rare cartridge out there that im unaware of im probably sol. Just trying to make sure i covered all escape routes before i jump out a 9th story window

[shaune509]

As per the handloader's manual of cartridge conversion. Instruction quote is -
.25-20 Win brass, trim rim dia, cut new extractor groove, fire form, size, trim to length. "Best to find factory cases"
Sorry but you are going to have to buck up and order online as finding .25-20 Win is less likely that .30 Carbine in most LGS.
Shaune509

[Ozark mike]

Yeah thats kind of crazy to go through all that I'm gonna look that book up though sounds handy

[Ozark mike]

Do you have the hardback or something else most places want $50 on up for a real book

[elmacgyver0]

I recently bought a carbine, new made an Auto Ordinance. Tried to find brass, must be made of unobtanium.
I finally found some at Grafs, bought all they had 600 rnds. They may be back in stock now, haven't checked lately.
Not the cheapest stuff in the world for what it is.
Some places are selling surplus S. Korean carbine ammo now SGA, Wideners, etc. 2 cans cost more than I paid for the carbine.

[shaune509]

!050+ page 8"x11" soft bound 2002 copy right by Stoeger.
Have had new since about 2005, price on cover is $39.95
Note sure Stoeger pubs is still selling new books so on the used market I'm sure its pricey.
To bad that the online thing has killed many of the older small publishers and now the info is not even out there online or the search engines have it so deep and obscure that will never get the proper search word to bring it up.
Shaune509

[Texas by God]

I watch S&S on the site here like a hawk for .30 carbine brass and sometimes it pays off. I don’t mind
buying used brass for the carbine, it seems to last until lost. Before the Pandemonium, good PPU and Aguila ammo were at Academy for about $20/50 and Russian steel case ammo was about $16/50. Once the brass is in hand, it is cheap to load for- especially with cast.

[dbosman]

A store named Ollie's occasionally sells versions at under $10. I don't see books listed on their web site.

[kootne]

https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/dept/reloading/rifle-brass/30-carbine
The man in the brown truck will even bring it to 3rd world counties like Montana for less than you can drive that 200 miles.

[Ozark mike]

Wow another Libbyite get warm for you today they said mid 80s. Ill probably get on midway and do it that way since libby sports cant help.

[salpal48]

$$$$$$$$$$$ says it all

[salpal48]

this thread confirms my belief that loaders will waste monumental amounts of time to save .27 cents

[Ozark mike]

this thread confirms my belief that loaders will waste monumental amounts of time to save .27 cents

Yeah do that 370 times you saved $100

[15meter]

this thread confirms my belief that loaders will waste monumental amounts of time to save .27 cents

Or use something like this to learn how to make or to keep in practice so they can make the really unobtanium stuff when the need arises.

Like the 40 pieces of 375 H&H that is in the process of being converted into 350 Rigby Magnum that sit on my bench.

Midway shows them as out of stock.

At $115.

For 20.

[Three44s]

My M1 carbine is a hoot to shoot, but the fun fades fast trying to find those little casings afterwards!

Got to rig up a brass diaper!

Three44s

[Larry Gibson]

Got this brass catcher many years ago. Works well with occasional stove pipe. The catcher snaps on and off easily so it's easy enough to clear. Is solid and doesn't jiggle around. All rifle controls are usable as normal except the oprod. The catcher must be removed to operate that. The issue sights and scope are both usable with the catcher on.

Made for the m1 carbine, Mini-14, AR and other gas guns. Was made by E & L MFG. iin Phoenix, AZ. Haven't seen them or seen any advertised for years.

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[MUSTANG]

Keep the grass mowed at the range - makes finding brass easier.

:kidding:

[15meter]

Keep the grass mowed at the range - makes finding brass easier.

:kidding:

Bummer is when you are a lifer whose is exempt from doing work at the club and you are the one who cuts the grass most of the time.

Last grass cutting day was 2+ hours at the club, 3+ hours at my mother's, and 2+ hours at my house.

And the wife asked me why my back was bothering me.

But I'll keep cutting the grass at the club, easier on my back than being on my hands and knees searching for brass.

Semi-autos aren't as much fun as they used to be.

[richhodg66]

I have enough .30 Carbine brass to last a while, but has it become so hard to find? I haven't bought any for a long time, but it seems every gun show used to have a bunch of it cheap, hasn't been all that long ago.

M1 Carbines are fun. When my boys were smaller, it was a real treat for them to take it to the range, but they could shoot up a lot of time spent by dad at the loading bench in a few minutes.

Dad gave me one of the Blackhawks in .30 Carbine, still not sure what I'll really do with it. Always seemed like a strange concept for a handgun to me.

[Mk42gunner]

I know the .223 case head is supposed to be too large, but 30+ years ago in Australia a young man told me they cut down split mouthed .222's to use in the .30 Carbine.

How well it worked, I don't know.

Robert

[MUSTANG]

I know the .223 case head is supposed to be too large, but 30+ years ago in Australia a young man told me they cut down split mouthed .222's to use in the .30 Carbine.

How well it worked, I don't know.

Robert


Same thought has entered my mind numerous times. I continue to contemplate how to deal with the extractor groove - Brass has to flow somewhere when we size down the rim and sidewall. I have a drill press; but no other metal working tools like a lathe or mill to work on the extractor groove - so I have never tried it.

[richhodg66]

Same thought has entered my mind numerous times. I continue to contemplate how to deal with the extractor groove - Brass has to flow somewhere when we size down the rim and sidewall. I have a drill press; but no other metal working tools like a lathe or mill to work on the extractor groove - so I have never tried it.

If you were to do this, wouldn't the brass be way too thick where you would have to trim it to? Seems like you'd have to ream case mouths to seat .30 caliber bullets.

[MUSTANG]

If you were to do this, wouldn't the brass be way too thick where you would have to trim it to? Seems like you'd have to ream case mouths to seat .30 caliber bullets.

Yes; I believe the mouth will be thick; but we see all types of applications where the neck is either reamed or outside trimmed to get property thickness of brass.

[DDriller]

this thread confirms my belief that loaders will waste monumental amounts of time to save .27 cents

May be a waste of time but I load for a 458 Socom @ $0.40 (if I buy bullets) versus $1.75 for factory ammo.

[richhodg66]

May be a waste of time but I load for a 458 Socom @ $0.40 (if I buy bullets) versus $1.75 for factory ammo.

Everybody here gets that reloading is cost effective, forming brass for anything commonly available like this just seems stupid to me.

I got a .222 a few years ago. Great, can make all the brass you need from free .223 brass! Yeah...about that. Turned out to be WAY more trouble than it's worth, .222 brass isn't that hard to find and niether is .30 carbine.

[EDG]

Any brass that can be formed into .30 Carbine is going to be even more rare and more expensive than buying once fired brass.
Learn to use mail order and forget your local gun shops if they will not order for you.
Even if you can make brass an autoloader will lose it for you and you will always need more.

When buying some rifles you must know what you are getting into before you buy it. There are many, many cartridges that are difficult to find donor brass for, so you must know what it costs to feed them first.

[15meter]

Long shot, don't know if it is still available or if he will even ship:


https://cleveland.craigslist.org/spo/d/amherst-reloading-dies/7127835401.html

[richhodg66]

Might be a good deal if one were just getting started loading for an M1 Carbine.

[Mk42gunner]

Everybody here gets that reloading is cost effective, forming brass for anything commonly available like this just seems stupid to me.

I got a .222 a few years ago. Great, can make all the brass you need from free .223 brass! Yeah...about that. Turned out to be WAY more trouble than it's worth, .222 brass isn't that hard to find and niether is .30 carbine.
I agree 100%. I'll make stuff that isn't available, but if I can buy it I'll go without a Coke for a day or two.

I have made .25-20 from .32-20. Not real hard, but touchy and a bigger loss rate than I would like, but I am only feeding a single shot rifle so I don't need thousands of rounds.

Forming 6.5-06 from virgin .30-06 is quite possibly the easiest wildcat to from, one pass in a full length sizer die and you're done.

6mm-300WSM-- Do yourself a favor and start with .270WSM brass.

Handgun shotshell cases-- Well you really don't need that many, might as well make them.

I have made exactly one .22-250 case from a .308 or .30-06, its been so long that I don't remember the parent case, but I do remember how much of a PITA it was.

I saved a five gallon bucket full of rifle fired 5.56 brass from a range trip before I retired with the idea of using it for a .222. I got wise and bought a few .223's to use the brass in.

Bottom line, if you can buy it do so.

Robert

[richhodg66]

Seems like every time I turn around, someone is talking about forming .300 Savage from .308 brass because "it's so rare and out of production brass". No, it isn't, it's out there and that is a whole lot of forming and trimming. If you're lucky, youmay not have to ream or turn necks.

It took one WTB add here and I had several hundred rounds of good .300 Savage brass and I never even looked at real distributors.

Even .351 WSL, which is a lot rarer than .300 Savage, I've managed to scrounge enough that I wouldn't bother with the expense and trouble of forming it from .357 Maximum.

I think some guys just like to form cases, so be it, but there are darn few where it's worth the trouble. I made 50 .22 Savage High Power cases from .25-35 brass, no harder than full length sizing the brass, but then, my brother lucked into a deal where he got a whole bunch of the S&B brass in the metric designation of it for me darn near for nothing.

The time and energy spent making cases is probably better spent looking for the correct brass most of the time.

[Green Frog]

I have enough .30 Carbine brass to last a while, but has it become so hard to find? I haven't bought any for a long time, but it seems every gun show used to have a bunch of it cheap, hasn't been all that long ago.

M1 Carbines are fun. When my boys were smaller, it was a real treat for them to take it to the range, but they could shoot up a lot of time spent by dad at the loading bench in a few minutes.

Dad gave me one of the Blackhawks in .30 Carbine, still not sure what I'll really do with it. Always seemed like a strange concept for a handgun to me.

Just think of that Blackhawk as being a slightly odd 33-20... in fact some of the newer ones will even chamber a 32-20. :Fire:

Froggie

[dogmower]

the only case head that I know of is the 32 acp. at least they use the same shellplate on the hornady progressive press.

[cwtebay]

the only case head that I know of is the 32 acp. at least they use the same shellplate on the hornady progressive press.Or 30 Pedersen or 32 French Longue..... just in case someone has a truckload of that lying about waiting to be converted!

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[NoZombies]

Or 30 Pedersen or 32 French Longue..... just in case someone has a truckload of that lying about waiting to be converted!

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To be fair, it's a lot easier to convert a longer case into a shorter one than the other way around... I've cut down and reamed carbine brass for pedersen, but that was quite a while ago.

[flounderman]

I think I have some unprocessed, I would have to look to see how many, if you are interested. I thought I had some, but can't find them. Maybe I sold them.

[flounderman]

I think I have some unprocessed, I would have to look to see how many, if you are interested I must have sold them, can't find them

[cwtebay]

To be fair, it's a lot easier to convert a longer case into a shorter one than the other way around... I've cut down and reamed carbine brass for pedersen, but that was quite a while ago.Yes, I too converted 30 carbine brass to 7.65 French Longue. I haven't ever made short cases longer either - but I know it is done!

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[DocSavage]

There's no other cartridge that matches 30 carbine dimensions that I know of. Starline is your best bet for brass rare that they are out of stock. For loaded ammo there's a place in my neck of the woods Target Sports USA that has decent prices on ammo and if you buy a case free postage.

[skeettx]

PM sent to Ozark Mike

M-1 Carbine makes a GREAT 35 caliber bullet.

Mike

[woodbutcher]

[smilie=1: And what`s REALLY fun with the .30 carbine is when you have to hunt up the fired brass when you fire the one with the"Mickey Mouse" button.Hehehehe.
Good luck.Have fun.Be safe.
Leo

[Mk42gunner]

Guys forget about the 5.56 as a donor, I have a shortened case and I tried it in my Universal Carbine.

Did not even come close to fitting the breech face, I didn't even try to size the diameter of the case down.

I apologize to anyone that got their hopes up.

Robert

[sharps4590]

Hmmm...evidently I need to go out to my bench and pick up all the Carbine brass that's laying out there....if I can find it. I stopped shooting semi-auto's very much or loading for them 40 years ago. I got real tired of chasing brass real quick.

[ebb]

Blue Ridge Brass has processed 30 carbine brass listed on their website as of 5 minutes ago.

[skeettx]

Never heard from Ozark Mike??

Been a month

[beshears]

Starline has it in stock per their website.

[rbuck351]

I didn't know 30 carbine was that hard to find. Most of the larger gun stores seem to have some in stock. I ended up with several hundred loaded rounds and even more empties with nothing to shoot them. Maybe I can find a TC barrel to use them.
An add in the S&S section would probably result in finding some brass.

[Ozark mike]

Never heard from Ozark Mike??

Been a month

Im usually working and dont have regular internet access sorry for not answering didnt see your pm but i ordered a bunch of different stuff after some more research and gave up on the idea midway or brownells was the way to go i just dont like buying over the internet if i don't have to. Still burns my hide that i cant purchase it in the local area its a pretty common cartridge for crying out loud.

[skeettx]

Well, send me a PM with your mailing address if you still need
30 carbine brass.

What are you trying to make with the brass??

Mike

[Ozark mike]

I was jus trying to find if there was any other cases that could be made into .30 carbine since my lgs couldn't get any and the next place to look is 100 miles away

[Tonto]

I like the idea of trying this out to see if it can be done. Strangely, the shelves at the local Stock & Field (used to be Big R) had nothing on the ammo shelf but two cans of Korean M1 Carbine ammo and a dozen boxes each of 450 Bushmaster and 350 legend. The carbine ammo was $466, they were quite proud of it clearly. The shelves have been bare for five months.

[6mm win lee]

Does anyone know of any cartridge that shares head dimensions with .30 carbine. The gun stores here have nothing for the carbine except a box of ammo for $50. 223 will not work head is larger diameter. searched but came up with very little.

Ammoseek.com is your friend. Powder Valley is good people. wink wink nudge nudge.

https://ammoseek.com/reloading/brass/30-carbine

[Texas by God]

Last Friday a LGS had Cases of Aguila and Wolf .30 Carbine ammo. $23/50 for Mexican; $20/50 for Russian. It's out there.

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[cwtebay]

You may want to check out Midway. They have some milsurp ammo on special this week.

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[richhodg66]

There's a guy with a pretty good deal on .30 Carbine brass in swapping and selling right now.

[Ozark mike]

Im sorry for the confusion but i was just asking those who knew how to if any reform brass from x cartridge to 30 carbine. I have looked thru all my books and never found anything with the correct head dimensions. Just so everyone is aware it was never to be intended to be a want to buy ad. But thanks on the ideas on where to find ready to go brass