Mid power 270gr 44 mag loads

[Ginsing]

I am looking to see what people are using for their 270gr cast. I think I have my hotter loads covered I'm looking for a mid power general purpose round through a rifle.
The mold is the MP 44-270 hammer plain base.
These are powder coated and sized accordingly.
My powders are:
Universal
Green dot
700x
800x
Blue dot
Longshot
Hs6
Vv n350
Alliant 2400
H110
I have some loaded up at 16, 16.5 and 17 gr of 2400 for my higher loads.
Looking for something a little lighter power with a faster burning powder.


I really wish ranch dogs load data was still around for his 240 and 265gr bullets in 44 mag but all my searching I cant find it. In fact I wish I had his 30-30 and 45-70 data for his designs as well.
Anyways if anyone can point me in the right direction for the powders I have listed that would be a big help.
As a side note when sized accordingly I have experienced zero leadding in my rifle with plain based powder coated bullets

Cheers

[MrHarmless]

I would wager that 2400 is a solid bet.

I used to load it in 357, and between Titegroup, 296, H110, and 2400, the latter has the widest range of charges and performance.

[Iwsbull]

I am a big fan of HS6 and am leaning towards it and H110 and some 2400 for all my big bore needs. The HS6 usually gives great spreads and burns clean when you hit the right pressure range with it. My all around 44 load is a 264 grain swc at 1233 with an extreme spread of 23 and very mild recoil.

[Ginsing]

I think I may have to try the hs-6
I used it almost exclusively in my 357 mag carbine until I settled on n350.
For my 240-250 gr 44 mag loads n350 is my go to powder as well.
Is the consensus with hs6 powder to use a mag primer?
Thinking of starting at about 11.5gr but I seem to remember I didnt get the best consistancy until I was at close to max loads.

Have any of you guys tried n350 powder with a 265 to 280 gr bullet?
Sorry for all the questions, with my somewhat limited range time these days I dont have the freedom to do a ton of ladder testing.
Cheers

[dhom]

I am looking to see what people are using for their 270gr cast. I think I have my hotter loads covered I'm looking for a mid power general purpose round through a rifle.
The mold is the MP 44-270 hammer plain base.
These are powder coated and sized accordingly.
My powders are:
Universal
Green dot
700x
800x
Blue dot
Longshot
Hs6
Vv n350
Alliant 2400
H110
I have some loaded up at 16, 16.5 and 17 gr of 2400 for my higher loads.
Looking for something a little lighter power with a faster burning powder.


I really wish ranch dogs load data was still around for his 240 and 265gr bullets in 44 mag but all my searching I cant find it. In fact I wish I had his 30-30 and 45-70 data for his designs as well.
Anyways if anyone can point me in the right direction for the powders I have listed that would be a big help.
As a side note when sized accordingly I have experienced zero leadding in my rifle with plain based powder coated bullets

Cheers 11.8-12 gr HS-6 with a mag primer.

[John Boy]

270 grain JSP (Jacketed soft Point) or JFP
296/H110 19.5 gr. 1,295
296/H110 21.5 gr. 1,421 Max
Lil'Gun 19.0 gr. 1,305
Lil'Gun 21.5 gr. 1,439 max
HP38/W231 8.0 gr. 992
HP38/W231 10.2 gr. 1,194 max
Titegroup 8.6 gr. 1,100
Titegroup 9.6 gr. 1,175 max
IMR4227 20.5 gr. 1,275
IMR4227 22.5 gr. 1,425 max

[black mamba]

I've had great accuracy with 10 gr of Herco, CCI-300 primers under a 265 SWC GC from Gardner's Bullets. Very consistent, and about 1175 fps in my 6½" model 629 Classic. Longshot is the closest that you list, so I'd start there and try 10 gr and 10½ grains. Should give about 1250 fps + in a carbine.

[DHDeal]

I've got that mold and a similar Accurate Mold that throws a 265 grain LFN style. I load H110 for heavy loads and HS6 for the medium loads (I don't load anything light in 44 Magnum). I have no idea what the books say, but I use 12.5 grains of HS6 with either bullet. Accuracy is smile worthy and recoil is very acceptable. I use either Federal or CCI LPM primers in my 44 Magnums.

[Iwsbull]

I use WLP with all my 44 mag loads. 13 grains seemed to be the sweet spot for my combo.

[Ginsing]

Ok
I'm on the right track than.
I have some loaded up 11.5, 12, 12.5 and 13
I have some loaded up with 11 and 12 gr n350 and looking for one other to try. I might try 800x
800x seems to work pretty good at around 13gr with my 250 gr. I havnt shot that load over my chronograph yet however.
Hopefully this week I'll get to the range and if it is quiet there I will shoot all my experiments over the chrony.
If anyone has any suggestions or experience with heavier cast with 800x I would like to hear what you use.
Thanks for your help fellas
I'll report back on how the range trip went

[Ginsing]

Got back from the range today didnt get a lot of testing but managed to try out some loads from 3 of my newest molds.
The 270gr hammer plain base powder coated
Average of 5 shots through 20" rossi barrel
Vvn350
11 gr average velocity 1317 fps /E.S. 9 fps
12 gr 1402 fps / 4 fps
12.5 gr 1415 fps / 4 fps
Hodgdon HS6
11 gr 1330 fps/ E.S. 7 fps
12 gr 1376 fps/ 22 fps
Alliant 2400 average of 3 shots
16.5 gr average velocity 1478 fps
17 gr 1494 fps
Everything shot well and definitely felt I could have gone higher charges except for the HS6 I took one shot at 13 grains and velocity spiked to 1497 fps and had very flat primer and harder to open the lever. Unfortunately I left one of my loading boxes at home that had 13 gr n350, 12.5gr hs6 and 17.5 and 18gr of 2400. Also in the box were some of my loads for the MP 44-300 grain bullets. I managed to test a few loads of those too.
MP 44-300 gas check solid mine weigh 312 grains powder coated and gas checked. Loaded to 1.656"
Alliant 2400
15 gr average 1314 fps
15.5 gr average 1347 fps
H110
18.5gr average velocity 1424 fps

Next time to the range I'll play with the sights a bit more. I think I'll have to trim my front sight a bit. Like I said everything I tested shot well, so it's a matter of picking a load and sorting out how much to adjust my sights compared to my standard general purpose load ( 240gr ranch dog at 1500 fps)
Just thought I would update you guys
Thanks for all your help on this thread

[bluejay75]

I’m sure you’re using CCI Magnum primers as I’m running about 50-70 FPS slower with 13.0 grains of HS6 and the Hammer. HS 6 is not going to give it’s best accuracy until you get to the top end. As with H110 I expect flat primers when I get to that range. But excellent data point for when I switch primers. There’s a member here that found the best accuracy at 11.8 and a similar weight boolit. I found the best accuracy at 13.2 HS6 and the 280 grain NOE Keith.

[Ginsing]

With the HS6 and h110 i am using cci magnum primers yes.
The h110 load I could have certainly gone higher the primer looked good. I had 19 and 19.5 gr h110 loaded up but they were unfortunately left at home. Along with 16 and 16.5 gr of 2400. I felt the loads I tested with those powders under the 300 gr had room to go higher. What is interesting is that everything I tested shot accurately enough. Fine tuning will be needed of course and I'm sure some loads will definitely shine.
Everything was shot at 50 yards open sights.
This rifle shoots 2 in very tight with a 3rd maybe 1 or 2 inches high and right. If I slow everything down and let the barrel cool it will shoot into 2 inches with my 240 gr Ranch dog.
My preferred load for that bullet will get all 3 touching. I guess I have a pressure point there when the barrel heats up.
One of my winchester 94 is exactly the same while my 1954 made 94 doesnt have that issue.
I really enjoy the n350 powder for the medium range loads. With my pet load I have ran 20 or so shots over the chronograph with single fidget extreme spread on velocity. Unfortunately I just opened my last pound of that stuff and it is expensive and unavailable locally.
One thing is for certain I'm having a ton of fun with this rossi and these new molds.
I also recieved a NOE 460-396-RF mold and played with some of them yesterday. They fed and shot great in my guide gun from light loads with alliant 2400 to full house 4198 loads. Lots of fun

[bluejay75]

I’ll bet you a beer you get poor ignition with that light a charge of H110. 21-23 is going to get you into a good range. Accurate and powerful.

[Ginsing]

Ya I think you are right, I only shot 3 over the chronograph and had 1434 fps high and 1404 low. I was not impressed
I do plan on using h110 for that bullet.
I do have hollow point pins for that mold too.
My alloy is about 13 BHN, would it be better to run the hollow point fast or slow it down?
I dont want to give up penetration for expansion. I have been reading that the front of the bullet will fragment and the shank will keep penetrating. This would be desirable
What velocity could I expect this to occur?
The alloy I have been using seems to be very ductile

[bluejay75]

HP with the medium burning powder. Solids with the slow burning. I tested the Hammer at distance with a similar alloy and they expanded each time.

A HP pushed with 13 grains of HS6 at 25 yards blew the nose. It’s a good design.

I only hunt with solids. The only application I can see for most HP boolits is pistol use. I want to neck shoot. Don’t want to ruin the stew meat.

[Ginsing]

I dont have the hammer with hp pins
I have the MP 44-300 with the deep hp pins. I suppose it would be the same however.

[bluejay75]

The 44-300 with the cup point should expand nicely with a full charge of slow powde. Will most likely be the most accurate out of the molds too.

[Ginsing]

Unfortunately mine only came with the deep HP pins. Would be neat to try the cup point also. They seemed to be plenty accurate from my rather informal range session. I can really see myself liking that loaded up to full house velocity. As a solid it should be a good bullet to have handy then a bear decides to make a meal of my chickens again.
Is there any way to order separate pins for MeHic's molds?

[bluejay75]

I tested this boolit at 50 yards. Forgot the distance.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?392851-MP-Molds-44-Hammer-50-yard-Rifle-Expansion-Test

[Ginsing]

I tested this boolit at 50 yards. Forgot the distance.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?392851-MP-Molds-44-Hammer-50-yard-Rifle-Expansion-Test

Thanks bluejay