I was thinkin'....

[Jim]

That oughta scare ya. My Daddy woulda said "I thought I smelled something burning). Where was I? Oh, yeah.
I was thinking, if I had the money, I'd have a combo gun built that would be my do-all end-all. A .30 '06 rifle barrel over a 12 gauge 3.5" shotgun barrel. I'd have the barrels cut to 24" with Williams Micro sights and the shotgun barrel drilled and tapped for choke tubes.
I b'lieve I could kill anything from doves to Browns with a gun like that.

[HORNET]

How about something close? IIRC, Savage made the model 24(?) with .30-30 over 12 Gauge.
It was reputedly very accurate until the point of impact started to walk from the heat. They also made it in .22/.410 for tree rats.

[carpetman]

I had(gave it to son in law) a Savage 24V which is 20 guage and .222. Had a Leupold 1x-4x on it--but couldn't sight it in where both rifle and shotgun hit same place. Does make a good turkey gun. Not a good gun at all for wing shooting because of the weight, certainly not something I'd want to walk around carrying..

[montana_charlie]

The one at the linked page is an antique, but modern guns are still being made. Three-barreled 'drillings' have been common in Germany for many decades.
http://www.apachego.com/drilling/index.htm

CM

[Bret4207]

Got a 24 22/410, great farm gun, not heavy and okay for shooting. I have line on a 222/20ga. That's an older one and hopefully ighter than the 24V Ray spoke of. Peep sights are the sighting answer.

[Pepe Ray]

Back in 1976 ,(air) Savage marketed its Model2400. A very slick O/U .308Win over a 2 3/4" 12gg. I don't recall that it would take a 3". Very handy 24"bbls ,well balanced. It could also be had in .222 over 12. It was made by Valmet but Savage sold it for less than half of what the European stuff was going for. Hunted w/it for about 12 or 15 years. As time moved Valmet decided to market their own version and Sav dropped the 2400 and concentrated on the 24.
So I found a Valmet 30/06 over 12gg with an accompanying set of 12gg o/u bbls and a Nicon 1.5-5. Convinced my son 'twas the way to go and he's had more fun with the shot gun set.
My M2400 has been gone for a while. Found a nice Brno set like my son's but in 7x57R over 12. Got a sweet single set trigger.
Wow, the things you could do when you had a job!!:shock:
Pepe Ray

[Bret4207]

Remember those old Savage ads with the Indian? There are reproductions available on Ebay. I was also fond of the Savage 24 ads with all those lovelies displayed in a semi-circular fashion. Or the Remington ads you could cut out to save as reference!

Ah, for the good old days......

[fatnhappy]

you could skip the rifle entirely, buy a 12 gauge 870, add a rifled choke tube and go buy some slugs. That'll kill anything on this continent, but what's the fun in admiting that.

[Muddy Creek Sam]

My Model 24 22lr/410 was made in 59 no serial # at all. BTW Jim. tried that thinking stuff, Got me in all kinds of deep sh*&.

Sam :-D

[Jim]

you could skip the rifle entirely, buy a 12 gauge 870, add a rifled choke tube and go buy some slugs. That'll kill anything on this continent, but what's the fun in admiting that.

You really think standard 12 gauge slugs will kill anything on this continent? You might be right, I don't know. I just can't see myself tackling a Kodiak or a Grizzly with slugs.

[SharpsShooter]

Tika made 12ga over a .222 that was varmit class accurate and it was a sweet handling piece too.

SS

[MT Gianni]

I have a 22 over 20 gauge that has no front or rear sight. It has a screw in the front sight hole. It wears a cheap Chinese red dot that has held up to the recoil, 2 3/4" chamber and is set for the 22 point of aim. Gianni

[Bullshop]

Do a search for :the box of truth: It will give you an idea of how a 12 gauge slugg compares to other powerful rounds.
BIC/BS

[leftiye]

Tha's a BIG hole remember. 12 gauge killing power has to be about the same as a 72 caliber muzzle loader (or greater - heavier slug) same bore, same approx velocity. Mucho dead!

[AZ-Stew]

I remember salivating over an article in The American Rifleman magazine back in the mid 70s. It was about a German drilling (Kreighoff, if I recall) that was 12ga side-by-side over a .30-06 barrel. There was an accessory .22 magnum insert for one of the shotgun barrels that was very skeletonized so it didn't add much weight. Just a bore-sized disc at each end for centering in the shotgun bore with a .22 caliber tube in between. It was adjustable in some manner so it would shoot to the point of aim for the .30-06 barrel.

I lived in Virginia at the time, when I was stationed at Yorktown Naval Weapons station, and I belonged to a hunt club that leased about 5,000 acres in Glouscester county, across the York River. I always figured that would be the perfect one-gun solution for hunting there. The seasons overlapped and you could hunt deer, turkey, waterfoul and all varieties of small and upland game on the same hunt. With such a drilling you'd be perfectly armed for any game you might encounter.

Problem was, Navy enlisted pay didn't give me the option of purchasing a gun that cost almost twice as much as a new Chevy at the time.

Regards,

Stew

[montana_charlie]

I remember salivating over an article in The American Rifleman magazine back in the mid 70s. It was about a German drilling (Kreighoff, if I recall) that was 12ga side-by-side over a .30-06 barrel.

I always figured that would be the perfect one-gun solution for hunting there. The seasons overlapped and you could hunt deer, turkey, waterfoul and all varieties of small and upland game on the same hunt. With such a drilling you'd be perfectly armed for any game you might encounter.

In Germany, it's common to have 'drive hunts' where the hunters stand in a line through the woods, and a bunch of 'beaters' work toward them...moving every kind of creature that's in the area.

Armed with a drilling, the hunter is ready for whatever pops out of the trees...
CM

[Kuato]

Here's my choice. Do all, end all. Even LAVs!

http://www.combatindex.com/hardware/images/gun/man/m67/m67_recoilless_rifle_01.jpg

M67 anyone?

[montana_charlie]

Here's my choice.
Is that your wife doing the loading for your single shot?
(Pssst...She's HOT!)
CM

[Russel Nash]

Just doing the math here....

a 1 ounce shotgun slug, in 12 gauge is 437.5 grains. The standard velocity slugs travel, I think at 1,600 fps. The low recoil or "managed recoil" stuff travels at 1,200 fps.

437.5
1,200
X
_____

525,000

or a 525 power factor

437.5
1,600
X
_____

700,000

or a 700 PF

a 180 grain .308 slug traveling at 2,700 fps, let's say

180
2,700
X
______

486,000

or a 486 PF

There are tradeoffs for everything.

A shotgun slug's trajectory turns into a rainbow probably as close as 50 yards, definitely at anything at 100 yards or more.

I don't think I would want to get within 50 yards of a ticked off Griz or Kodiak with either gun.

[Russel Nash]

a company that used to be called Baikal was making and importing over under shotguns through EAA.

They also used to make the rifle barreled/shotgun barreled combo guns.

They might still do.

[rockrat]

You can still find the Valmet 412's with 12ga/30-06. There was one at the Tulsa show. I have one of the Baikal 12ga/308 guns that shoots really well, but they are few and far between.
Friend of mine has the Savage 12/30-30 guns and sold off most other guns and kept it. Told me to look for another for him, but never seen one at a show/shop yet.

[Scrounger]

Is that your wife doing the loading for your single shot?
(Pssst...She's HOT!)
CM

That's not a woman; look at the hand.

[NoDakJak]

The Russian combination guns are being sold under the Remington banner now-a-days. I handled one of the 22/410 versions a couple days ago and they seem to be a well made gun for the money. Neil

[Kuato]

Is that your wife doing the loading for your single shot?
(Pssst...She's HOT!)
CM

Nah Thats her sister. The wife was out gettin more HE rounds!

P.S. the sister is the better lookin of the 2!:roll: