True Blackpowder Source(s)

[Barr]

Good evening. I spent the afternoon blasting through 2 flasks of Goex 2F in one of my TC classic sidekicks. I am down to my last pound of powder and need to replenish the supply. I have never had good success with Pyrodex (too many ignition issues!).

I looked online at Midway and Grafs, both were out of stock. I looked at TOTW and if they have any they require a 25 lb order, yikes! I used to buy at Cabelas or Sportsmans Warehouse (its been a few years!), but they no longer carry true BP.

Does anyone have a good source in the $20-25 / lb range that ships etc? I need 4-6 lbs of 2F / 3F.

Thank you.

[M-Tecs]

https://powderinc.com/black-powder/

https://www.buffaloarms.com/black-powder

https://www.powdervalleyinc.com/product-category/reloading-supplies/powder/black-powder-substitutes/

https://mainepowderhouse.com/

https://www.trackofthewolf.com/List/Item.aspx/135/1

[elmacgyver0]

I bought my last at Powder Valley, but it was before this Chi-Com virus malarkey.

[Barr]

I forgot about them. They are a great source but powder is a bit steep at $32 / lb shipped. Grafs works out to $27 / lb. Any suggestions? Know any good discount codes?

I cannot imagine there will be a great run on BP, less shooters shooting traditional sidelocks every year. Hunters only want pelletized Pyrodex inline 150 gr cannons with sabots and scopes it seems like.

[Barr]

What is the big difference between classic Goex and Goex Olde Eynsford?

[rancher1913]

you can always make your own, there is a sticky on it.

[Barr]

Many things I will do, casting, reloading, etc. Making blackpowder sounds like yet another hobby, probably very satisfying but not for me.

[Barr]

Disregard price question, I did not realize it included all Hazmat etc. Works out within a few dollars of Powder Valley Inc. Great source to bookmark, thank you!

[Dapaki]

Jon Blackert, Crater Fireworks, https://www.addictedtoblackpowder.com/product/

WANO for $9.50 a pound, Jon ships.

[LAGS]

I am making my own for about $3.00 a pound when I buy in bulk.
It works great and isn't that hard to make , or require a big investment.
And No Haz Mat fees

[megasupermagnum]

Bass pro shops

[tomme boy]

Crater Fireworks. I drive there and pick it up. They are about 40-50 miles from me. No one near me ever has RWS primers but he does. I like the Musket caps for my black powder rifles.

[Edward]

What is the big difference between classic Goex and Goex Olde Eynsford?

O.E. is better velocity/less fouling and Powder Inc is a good place to buy /Ed

[Barr]

Sounds like Schuetzen and Old Eynsford would be a great choice for the next order. Has anyone used Schuetzen BP?

[Dapaki]

Just a couple cans, better than WANO but sub-par to Swiss. Canon grade, not in a cart.

[Barr]

Have you had better success w Old Eynsford than Schuetzen?

[Dapaki]

Old Eynsford is new to me, I have never used it or even heard of it before, sorry. I have used a lot of both Schuetzen and Swiss, I cannot tell the difference in cartridges, there are those that swear by Swiss but I see boolit placement to be identical using either powder in my 45-70. YMMV

[dondiego]

Get together with a bunch of your shooting friends and place a 25 pound order. You'll just be ordering more in a year if you don't buy in bulk. The price won't be going down. Sounds like a good use for the $1200 helicopter money!

[waksupi]

Sounds like Schuetzen and Old Eynsford would be a great choice for the next order. Has anyone used Schuetzen BP?

I'm on my 4th case. Buying by the case is the only way to go. I buy from Upper Missouri Trading Co, Grafs, and Buffalo Arms.

[megasupermagnum]

For muzzleloaders, i prefer the standard red can Goex. I tried Old Eynsford in both FFg and FFFg. It seems to me that OE burns drier. And the smell... it is not what I expect from a black powder. Both work just fine, but I only buy the red can now.

[franklin_m]

I'm a huge fan of Graf & Sons. I've found them to be first rate and super helpful. Link below is to their black powder.

https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/category/categoryId/3501

[Fly]

I,m with lags, I have been making my own for years. Shoots as good as any you buy. Once you do you will never go back to buying it.

Fly

[Tasbay]

BP is hard to get here and at over $50 U.S a pound, years ago I just started making my own. Went out to the shed yesterday and about an hour later had a Kilo made. Fly`s: thread is a good read. I don`t bother with pressing or granulating just a quiet simmer over the stove and a 10 min stir then civ a couple of times , let it dry and its ready. I`m using side locks and a T/C Hawken ( the deer and goats don't seem to mind it`s not granulated). I get about 28 kilos of powder for the cost of one pound of Goex. In the U.S seems to be a little harder to get Potassium nitrate but I buy it in 25kg bags from farm suppliers for about $30 U.S.
With a front stuffer just use twice the thrown measure you would with 2ff Goex. It`s my understanding granulated powder didn`t exist until the cartridge case was invented so Davy Crocket and friends would have used something similar to what I make.

[LAGS]

And years gone bye , people like Daniel Boone and many mountain men used Bat Guano for their Potassium Nitrate.
And had no access to metal screens.
Boy , do we have it good now a days.

[indian joe]

Just a couple cans, better than WANO but sub-par to Swiss. Canon grade, not in a cart.

I thought Wano and Scheutzen was the same stuff????
Same factory different can???
Same factory different grade???
Different factory??
Whats the story??

[M-Tecs]

I thought Wano and Scheutzen was the same stuff????
Same factory different can???
Same factory different grade???
Different factory??
Whats the story??

https://schuetzenpowder.com/about-schuetzen-powder/

https://schuetzenpowder.com/

https://schuetzenpowder.com/swiss-black-powder/#

https://schuetzenpowder.com/schuetzen-black-powder-2/

https://schuetzenpowder.com/wano/

[dave951]

I get my powder from-
http://www.blackpowderva.com/
Good guy to work with and a fellow N-SSA competitor.

That said, I've worked with "red can" Goex, Schutzen, Old Eynsford and Swiss. All of them work. Some better than others. For target/accuracy/competition shooting- Old E and Swiss hands down. They cost a bit more but are more "energetic" so you use less so the "cost" isn't really a factor. Schutzen makes Swiss and Goex makes Old E. Sorta like buying premium gas for your car. Fouling is less with Swiss and Old E, no question. I was shooting primarily Old E for a number of years as the dealer was about 20miles from the house, but now he's gone out of business so I stock up with Swiss when I'm at Fort Shenandoah in Winchester at Back Creek. Goex/Schutzen, good all round powder for just shooting. Fouls a bit more, have to use more to get the same velocity as Swiss.