30-30 youth load

[Divedigger]

Does anybody have thought on a good youth load for 30-30? I am looking for boolit and powder charge for a 9 yr old. He likes my old waffle top so I'm looking to download so my grandson can use the lever action and later use it to deer hunt. I could buy some 110 grain if it would make a good starter load. I got Lyman's 50th just wondering if someone has made somthing a little softer to start with. Thanks Doze

[barrabruce]

A 150 fp or 170 fp over 4-5 grains of bullseye hits hard and recoils like a 22lr.
If you bump a 150 cast soft to about 1500-1600 fps they are mild and probably good to 100yrds as a estimate.

Some one will be along shortly.

[RickinTN]

Bruce gave you a pretty good starting load with a 150 or 170 grain bullet for a young shooter, recoil will be mild. With the right alloy the same bullet can be pushed faster for hunting. I have found 15 to 16 grains of IMR4227 to be a good, medium, and usually accurate load which will produce velocities in the 1,500fps range which should be OK for hunting with ranges limited to 100 yds or less.
Good Luck,
Rick

[Wild Bill 7]

I shoot a 168 gc boolit powder coated with 8.9 grains of Green Dot. Low recoil and very accurate to 100 yards.

[1006]

In my 16 inch barreled Winchester 94AE, Trapper: I use 15.5 Alliante 2400 with the Missouri Bullet Company coated 165 grain bullet, and with the Berry 150 Grain 30-30 Bullets.

I did not chrono the Missouri Bullets., but they shot well, and I used a Wolf Large Pistol Primer.

Chrono results for the Berry Plated 150 grain bullet were:

1683fps, SD of 9 for a three shot group, Federal Large Rifle primers, 85 degree day

Also: 9.5 Trail Boss/Federal Large Rifle primer/Missouri Bullet Co. 165 are subsonic (1020fps) with 2moa (1inch) accuracy at 50yards.

20.7 Reloader #7 produced 1630fps With the Missouri Bullet and 2moa at 50yds.

I have had the best accuracy and lowest Standard Deviations With the Federal Large Rifle primers, and 2400.

[toallmy]

I shoot a NOE plan base 165 RD over 8.7 gr of unique out of my Sears / Chester for a lot of fun , they stay in a inch or so at 50 yards most of the time , and are not very loud at all .
Wanna try some ..........

[franklin_m]

Before I got laid off, I picked up some 150gr Berry's plated boolits and some Trailboss. Works fine at close ranges (say 50 yd or so) and really pleasant to shoot.

[trapper9260]

If you have any 32 cal molds you can load then to shoot in your 30-30 .I do that and also 00 buck shot. Do a search on here and your will find the info you need.

[northmn]

While I am talking about an older kid, my daughter got her first deer with a Winchester 150gr factory load at about age 13. She shot a few deer with that load.

DEP

[toallmy]

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[toallmy]

I believe one of the vendor members here Casting Machine had coated 115 gr coated 30 carbine cast boolits for sale .......

[Bazoo]

Personally I'd start with the Speer 130 grain bullets and rifle powder.

[MT Gianni]

Lee 113 fp and 7.0 to 10.0 gr Unique.

[Outpost75]

Chronograph data from my ca. 1942 Winchester 94 with 20”barrel:

Remington 110-gr. JSP (.30 M1 Carbine) Also OK with 110-grain Speer Varminter FN
28 grs. IMR4198 2359 fps, 32 Sd – explosive varmint performance, requires re-zeroing from factory 150s
5.0 Bullseye, 1039 fps, 10 Sd – sights on at 50 ft. if zeroed +4” at 100 with 150-gr. factory SPs, quiet.
6.0 Bullseye, 1232 fps, 26 Sd – nondestructive small game / turkey load approximates .32-20, no expansion
7.0 Bullseye, 1396 fps, 14 Sd – noticeably louder than subsonic but is more accurate, 1” groups 50 yards

Accurate 31-115K “Winchester Small Game” LFN, wheelweights, unsized .311”, LLA
3.5 grs. Bullseye, 901 fps, 11 Sd - 3” low at 25 yds. “Cat Sneeze” minimum to exit bore.
5.0 grs. Bullseye, 1207 fps, 9 Sd – 1” groups at 50 yds. Mild, quiet, like .22 LR HV
6.0 grs. Bullseye, 1350 fps, 6 Sd – shoots flatter, louder, like .32-20. Max. load for plain base bullet

Remington 150-gr. SPCL, OK to substitute Speer or Hornady 150-grain FN .30-30 bullets
16 grs. #2400, 1636 fps, 18 Sd – approximates .32-40 Winchester energy, but only slight bullet expansion
18 grs. #2400, 1804 fps, 22 Sd – good, adequate bullet expansion, “light recoil” load for Junior Hunters
22 grs. H4427, 1917 fps, 36 Sd - another good light recoil hunting load for Junior hunters

[Don McDowell]

Hogdons reduced 4895 data works pretty well
https://www.hodgdon.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/h4895-reduced-rifle-loads.pdf

[northmn]

I have used the Lee 120 grain round nose in the 30-30 but it is a little short at the crimp groove. Works great in my 32-20. Speer makes the 110 grain "plinker" which is designed for this use and has a crimp groove.

DEP

[Divedigger]

Ahh, Thanks for all replies, he will get to shoot and carry Big Boy gun and be a good confidence and saftey builder plus no better time to start learning his reloading skills! This will great , Thanks

[Texas by God]

I've used the Lee TL 31490SWC for light 30-30 loads for years.

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[Tatume]

Hogdons reduced 4895 data works pretty well
https://www.hodgdon.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/h4895-reduced-rifle-loads.pdf

Not only do Hodgdons data work well, but you have a range of charge weights of H4895 from 60% below max up to max. You can have anything from mild to wild, as they say. These data work well with cast bullets as well.

[richhodg66]

Lee Soup Can or similar, five grains of Bullseye or a little more Red Dot, Unique or 700X. Lots and lots and lots of load data in any of the cast bullet manuals for the .30-30 and it's one of those cartridges that downloads ridiculously easily.

If you don't cast, there's lots of commercially swaged .32 pistol bullets out there that will do the same thing.

[Don McDowell]

Tatume, that's exactly right. Plus a pound of 4895 using the reduced data will load an big bunch of rounds, which is doubly important when you have a youngster that is eating this learning to shoot thing up with an extra large size spoon.

[Tar Heel]

Use the Lee 309-170-F over 10.0gr of Trail Boss. Nice load.

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[Cosmic_Charlie]

7.5 gr. of Unique under a 165 gr. boolit gave good accuracy. Plain based bullet cast of 20/1 sized to .310 and tumble lubed.

[webfoot10]

Noe 313-150 ranchdog bullet gaschecked sized .311. over 26 grs aa2520, Nice load
with little recoil. 1800 fps very accurate.

[smkummer]

Lyman 311291 or 311041 with 10 grains unique. 170 grain bullet at about 1500 FPS. Approximate 357 rifle or 32-40 performance. Light recoil and will still drop a dear. Oh and so economical. Also, did I mention it was cheap?

Love my waffle top Marlin 35 Remington.

[smkummer]

I was water dropping WW alloy. Very hard. If I was going to hunt with it, I would see if air cooled gave me good accuracy because I may then get expansion. Still using gas checks.

[Greg]

my 30-30 is an 22" H&R with a 1¾-5x scope mounted as low as I could get it.

my first small game load was inspired by Larry Gibson’s article “The old Gentleman.” in
the past the article was on CastPics, I couldn’t find it there just now…

google-foo is your friend-- https://www.beartoothbullets.com/pri...e=Trail%20Talk

anyway I worked out a load for a Javelina hunt, but didn’t get a shot…

3118 in 50:50 (BHN 8) alloy, 120 grains; 7½ grains Unique, WLP primer, 2.375"oal
1480 fps. It will penetrate 3+ milk jugs of water at 50 yards.


I had picked up a mould on e-bay that I thought was a good deal…it turned out that sometime in the past it had been filed down to replicate the small game bullet of more than 100 years ago. it was well done, and still cast a usable boolit.

311241 in 20:1 alloy, 105 grains; 2½ grains Red Dot, WLP primer, at 2.395" oal,
this is an old mould that was altered into a small game bullet, this load just about duplicates the 32 rimfire - load / speed. it shoots about ¾" high at 25 yards into groups the size of a dime.

here are a few threads along this idea…

by John Kort - http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...-a-replication

by 35 Remington - http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...utter-in-a-308

by Ben - http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...rsatile-pistol

[Cosmic_Charlie]

I shoot a NOE plan base 165 RD over 8.7 gr of unique out of my Sears / Chester for a lot of fun , they stay in a inch or so at 50 yards most of the time , and are not very loud at all .
Wanna try some ..........

I use a similar boolit by Accurate Molds. Just cast some at 12 bhn to try mild loads with. Going to see if that alloy will stand up to 10 grains of Unique. 20/1 worked well with 8 grains but leaded at 9.5.

[Cosmic_Charlie]

Noe 313-150 ranchdog bullet gaschecked sized .311. over 26 grs aa2520, Nice load
with little recoil. 1800 fps very accurate.

Interesting. I've got that powder and gas checked mold. The velocity is higher than what I get with 2400 powder. Should be a good load for deer.

[northmn]

I was water dropping WW alloy. Very hard. If I was going to hunt with it, I would see if air cooled gave me good accuracy because I may then get expansion. Still using gas checks.

I used that system but placed the hunting bullets in a pan of water to cover the bases and then took a torch and annealed the noses. They expanded very well. You can even add a little lead to the WW to get a softer nose and still have a hard base. Lead anneals when heated and not quenched. I did lose a few bullets to droop but you do not need to do that many for hunting and can use the un annealed ones for casual shooting.

DEP

[cosmoline one]

like shooting a 22 but hits much harder, one ragged hole at 50 yds
155gr. FBRN, .311", tumbled in Lee liquid alox,
5.0x700x=1020fps
5.3x700x=1060fps
6.3x700x=1185fps