Website for cheap powder??

[ivanfern]

Hello I was wondering if anyone had a website that offered rifle powder at a good price. I used to have a connection with a guy that would sell me all Hodgdon powders for $10-12 dollars per lb of powder and it was a great deal. Stocked up 50lbs of pistol and only 10lbs of rifle. Well I shot threw it and now id like to get any cheap powder to load .223 range ammo. Not looking for a super great load. I was looking into brownells but everything seems expensive.

[toallmy]

Do a advice search for military surplus powder . You will find some .

[rancher1913]

in bulk at powder valley, or try looking up "shooters world" and see who carries that

[dverna]

You will not find powder at those prices

[Gtrubicon]

Bartlett reloading, limited surplus powder, brass and projectiles, pretty cheap.

[djryan13]

American reloading for surplus

[GhostHawk]

Cheap, no, less than brick and mortar stores, yes.

https://www.ballisticproducts.com/

Buy in bulk, couple of 8 lb caddies and several thousand primers takes the sting out of hazmat.

H4895 is 30$ a pound.

Alliant Red Dot 8 lb caddy is 164$ or 20.5$ per pound with shipping and hazmat probably looking at 23$ per pound depending on quantity and what else you buy.

The good news is I have yet to find a round that Red Dot won't work in, most of which are in the 4-6 grain range. Which is downright thrifty compared to full loads of slow rifle powder. The bad news is it won't push a bullet as fast, may not cycle a semi auto rifle action. Does fine in my pistol caliber carbines but does not cycle the SKS.

So you have options, just need to decide which is going to work best for you.

[Hanzy4200]

Surplus powder will be the cheapest, but it come with their own cautions. At the end of the day you will only save $3-$4 a lb over commercial. I just buy in bulk from Powder Valley. Good luck finding cheap powder now, or in the next 3 months.

[Thumbcocker]

I have had good luck working up a j word load for ar's with surplus powder obtained from bartlett (gibrass.com). $109 per 8 pounds plus shipping and hazmatt.

[dragon813gt]

You will not find powder at those prices

He won’t find powder anywhere near those prices. Powder Valley and Jeff Bartlett are the best options. May make out better if one of the other retailers is having a sale. Some of them run little to no hazmat fees when you spend a certain amount.

W/ the email I received from Powder Valley about delays due to overwhelming demand I’d expect high prices and limited options for the foreseeable future.

[toallmy]

I'm still using powder purchased during the Obama administration purchased at scalpers price , but in a month or so it will probably seam like I got a good price .
Be safe

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

Hello I was wondering if anyone had a website that offered rifle powder at a good price. I used to have a connection with a guy that would sell me all Hodgdon powders for $10-12 dollars per lb of powder and it was a great deal. Stocked up 50lbs of pistol and only 10lbs of rifle. Well I shot threw it and now id like to get any cheap powder to load .223 range ammo. Not looking for a super great load. I was looking into brownells but everything seems expensive.

Sadly for your request, the last two years were the time to buy cheap powder.

[P Flados]

Surplus powder will be the cheapest, but it come with their own cautions. At the end of the day you will only save $3-$4 a lb over
commercial. I just buy in bulk from Powder Valley. Good luck finding cheap powder now, or in the next 3 months.

Your $3-$4 a lb saving is not accurate.

For a 16 lb purchase, milsurp (WC-844 or WC 846) at Fedarm will have a delivered price of $15.375 per pound.

Powder valley is out of stock for both BLC(2) and H-335 but lists the powder at $170.50 for 8 lbs. The delivered price of $23.556 per lb for a 16 lbs order is an increase of $8.18 per pound.

There is no chance I will ever buy a commercial H-335 or BLC(2) burn rate powder again as long a milsurp equivalents can be found.

Given the dropping powder availability at many sources, it looks like people have started stocking up in case Trump does not get re-elected. Anyone that wants cheap 223 powder may want to act now and get enough to last 10 years. I am very tempted to place a 32 lb order now.

https://americanreloading.com/en/264-gunpowder

https://fedarm.com/product-category/ammunition-components/powder/

https://www.redeyereloading.com/?product_cat=lake-city-powders&s=&post_type=product

Edit 4:34 pm:

Fedarm's website is misleading, they had nothing in stock. I did order 32 lb of WC 844 from Redeye.

Again, if you want to stock up, you should probably act fast.

[ivanfern]

Thank you too all who responded. Should have jumped on the opportunity I had while it was available to me. Messaged the guy but no response.

[ivanfern]

Can you specifiy which poder you buy from GIBRASS? WC857 or WC860?

[ivanfern]

I have had good luck working up a j word load for ar's with surplus powder obtained from bartlett (gibrass.com). $109 per 8 pounds plus shipping and hazmatt.

Can you specifiy which poder you buy from GIBRASS? WC857 or WC860?

[FLINTNFIRE]

For 223 google around and look for wc 844 or wc 846 there is still some , gunbroker has some also , those that gibrass has are to slow unless you want to duplex and do load work up , there are threads on that here . I bought a batch of the wc844 when it was available from gibrass , I buy shooters world powder for other calibers as they usually are a bit cheaper , imr red and target at grafs are 119 a 8 lb jug but there free haz mat offer is over , natchezz had shooters world heavy pistol for 112 a 8lb jug but its out now , if I had needed a h110 style powder that was best buy in a long time , the imr red and target will replace my promo and bullseye as they are out of stock or more costly , without people listing what state they are in it is harder to point to a local source or share supplies or group buy to reduce shipping and haz mat. thumbcocker was probably talking about wc844 though wc842 and wc846 were also available at times

[P Flados]

For 223, It looks like there are actually 3 milsurp choices currently available.

WC-844 (same as H-335) was designed for use in the 5.56 with a 55 gr bullet.

WC-846 is a little slower burning. It will work with 55 gr bullets, but is probably more appropriate if you want to shoot heavies.

There is also some WC-842 being sold on Gun Broker. It is supposed to load about the same as WC-844, but includes additives that make it better (or so they say).

Although I have purchased a couple of batches of WC-844 from Jeff Bartlet (GIBRASS), he is now out of any suitable 223 powder.

[dragon813gt]

WC-844 is equivalent to H335
WC-846 is equivalent to BL-C2

Posting this so there is no confusion to equivalencies. The listings on Gunbroker state their equivalencies in the descriptions.

[dale2242]

Bartlett said my lot of WC844 is equal to H335.
I bought a few years ago...dale

[hotrod13]

WC842 is similar to cfe 223 (can use h335 load data), it has copper eraser like CFE223
WC844 is similar to h335
WC846 is similar to BLC2

[dragon813gt]

Edited my post since I had a typo, which isn’t good when it comes to powders.

[Dapaki]

Redeye Reloading has the Lake City Powder (WC842) in a #32 lot for $475.00 plus $9.50 shipping, didn't see tax or Haz-Mat charges in my cart. $15.00 a lb delivered?

[hotrod13]

Yes Redeye includes all that in their price, I've been using WC844 & 846 for about 3 years and haven't had any problems with it, but you do need to redo your load on different lot numbers.

[P Flados]

FYI, Redeye is now out of WC-844, but they have some WC-842. They also have MP-475 that is said to be slower than WC-844 but faster than WC-846.

American reloading seems to have some WC-844 (32 lb only), MP-842 (same as WC-842), WC-846, MP-475, and MP-420 (another similar powder).

[P Flados]

I just ordered 32# of "MP 350 Military Smokeless Rifle Powder" that is being marketed as "Similar to Accurate 1680" for $15.94 per lb delivered from Redeye.

They had like 10 jugs left when I just checked.

FYI, I noted that Redeye and American Reloading had the same quantity of the same items in stock before I ordered, and both showed that same reduction in stock after I ordered.

https://redeyereloading.com/?product_cat=lake-city-powders&s=&post_type=product

[Burnt Fingers]

I picked up 16 lbs of that same powder.

It should work great in my 300 Blackout and 7.62x39 loads.

[jsizemore]

Promo is the same as Red Dot without the red dot. 8lb jug only.

Shooter's World is the same as Lovex. Meters great and a decent price.

[GrizzLeeBear]

Just want to clarify, Promo is NOT the same as Red Dot.
It is loaded the same as Red Dot by weight. It has close, but different density (which also varies more from lot to lot).

[Wag]

Just ordered 8 lbs of 4064 from Powder Valley along with 8 lbs of 231. Prices were dang good, actually and with that much bulk, it leveled out the hazmat and the freight quite nicely.

I use 4064 for .223 on occasion and it seems to work just fine.

--Wag--

[Hanzy4200]

Another vote on PowderValley. Sorry to say, but you're not finding powder at that cost anymore. Going to be slim pickings no matter where you go nowdays.

[Hanzy4200]

Just ordered 8 lbs of 4064 from Powder Valley along with 8 lbs of 231. Prices were dang good, actually and with that much bulk, it leveled out the hazmat and the freight quite nicely.

I use 4064 for .223 on occasion and it seems to work just fine.

--Wag--

I've started using 4064 a good deal myself. Great powder. Wish it metered better.

[Wag]

I agree. Sometimes, you have to "cut" a stick here and there which messes up consistency. I trickle out about every tenth round just to be sure.

--Wag--

[P Flados]

I know this is an old thread, but it looks to be as good a place as any to Bump with an update for the subject.

It looks like American Reloading got in a bunch of new Milsurp powders. https://americanreloading.com/264-midwest-powders?orderby=quantity&orderway=desc&orderway=desc

The variety of stuff is better than I have seen since before the current crisis. If I were buying powder, my applications would most likely be along the lines of a replacement for WC 844, or a pistol powder.

I like WC 844 for 223, 7 TCU and a few others but have not seen any lately. If I was out right now, there are a couple of options that I would consider:


Just a little bit faster on one of my burn rate charts is WC 732. $220 bucks total (incl ship & Hz) for an 8 lb jug is not terrible.

If I wanted to go a little slower, WC 749 is just sower than WC 748 / Win 748. They also have some of that for the same price.

For pistol, they have a number of choices with a single load, either 9mm or 45 ACP. Although, their MP BFS 3 flake shotgun powder also looks tempting as is seems to be pretty close to Green Dot.

[DAVIDMAGNUM]

When American Reloading refers to the burn rate position of their powders on "THE CHART", what chart are they referring to? I could not find a burn rate chart on the web-site.

[Doughty]

Anybody know what American Reloading powders would be closest to Ramshot Hunter?

[Super Sneaky Steve]

The best deals are not found in the same place every day.

If you want the best price you need to use a web crawler like this one.

https://ammoseek.com/

[P Flados]

The way they reference the chart does leave a lot to be desired. When I look at the burn rate charts that I keep a copy of, the only one with numbers is the Hodgdon chart.

Their MP-325 is a stick powder with claimed burn rate of 63 - 65. The stick powder in this range is 4227.

I have been using Quickload to try to figure out which powders will provide the stated velocity at the given charge for an estimate. However, my methods are hindered by the fact that they also do not give barrel length or the AOL for their loads.

If I run an 18" barrel, Quickload points me to a stick powder burn rate closer to 4198. If I run a 10.5" barrel, the 4227 looks like the best fit.

For their MP-380, VV-N340 is in the middle of the Hodgdon chart numbers. VV-N340 matches on charge vs. velocity for a 9mm with a 4" barrel.

Based on the above, I am guessing that it is indeed the Hodgdon chart. https://hodgdon.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/burn-rate-color.pdf

[P Flados]

Anybody know what American Reloading powders would be closest to Ramshot Hunter?

I estimate that MP-641 is just a tad slower and MP-540 is just a tad faster.

[jonp]

Just want to clarify, Promo is NOT the same as Red Dot.
It is loaded the same as Red Dot by weight. It has close, but different density (which also varies more from lot to lot).

Important to keep in mind. Load by Weight not volume. When loaded by weight I have found the results almost identical to Red Dot over several pistol calibers. Important to work up loads with each lot, though.

I second Jeff. Great guy to deal with.