new(old) win 94 32 spl

[william l evans]

I have a 1962 Win 94 in 32 spl that was unfired until last year. It belonged to my uncle and was handled but not shot.
I bought two boxes of win 170gr j-words and fired three groups of five shots at 100 yds. I was not impressed with the
groups (patterns). My dilemma, do I shoot it more and hope for better groups, or change to lead, or rebore it to 38/55,
or sell it. It has a few handling dings in the wood and a couple if very minor rust spots because my uncle failed to wipe it
down after handling it. I was offered $400.00 for it from a friend of a friend, I did not take his offer. What would you do?

[ndnchf]

First off, slug the bore and check the groove size. Then load with cast bullets .001" over groove size. Are you shooting from a solid rest with stock barrel sights? If your eyes are aging like mine, 100 yards with stock barrel sights is a challenge to get a decent size group.

[william l evans]

solid rest, stock sights. I have other open sighted rifles that I can shoot real good.

[georgerkahn]

Re, "What would you do?" -- I'd keep it -- for several reasons. First, for me, would be the "sentimental" one, as it is something which belonged to a relation. I have a Mossburg .22 which belonged to me Great-Uncle Vincent, who used it to shoot rabbits off the (New York City) 3rd Avenue El (elevated subway) for meat during the Depression. And, it is an item I could probably always sell -- if I became in real need for a bit of cash. Secondly, when Winchester stopped lever production, prices sky-rocketed, and (in my area) the norm price for one was in the $700 USD range. Now? At a recent gun show, the average price was LESS than $300 USD! Visiting with a most reputable dealer, upon my "Wowsers" at the low prices, he purported that "new, young shooters" seem to want AR-type, sniper, and bench-rest type arms; those who have loved and collected "winnies" through the years are mostly old persons -- who -- or their kin -- are in need of getting rid of them. Hence, the supply is ever exceeding any demand -- which equals super low prices. And third/finally -- the .32WS is a delightful calibre for casters/reloaders. I have one which had a hard time getting five shots (my magazine loading) on a paper plate (my target) at 75 yards using factory J-bullets. I slugged the barrel, cast some FNSWCs (gas checked), and using IMR3031 powder and CCI primers -- cut the group almost exactly in half! Tweaking -- ladder tests, etc. -- albeit lots of fun, shrunk the group size even more, albeit maybe only 3/4" at most. Yes.... I'd surely keep it.
My two pennies on it!
geo

[RU shooter]

Keep it ! Start working on a load with jacketed or cast that it likes

[garandsrus]

The more I shoot my 32 Win, the more I like it. I shoot cast. I do t think I have ever fired a factory load through it.

[veeman]

15 rounds and thinking of giving up on it? Should be alot more trial, I'd say. Try different factory loads 1st, as they are not all created equal. Slug the bore and go from there. It's a family heirloom, shouldn't be for sale. MY thoughts anyway.

[30calflash]

What kind of group did you get in inches? What size group do you expect? They aren't known for great accuracy but some do very well. They are minute of deer rifles out to 150 yds.

Shoot some 3 shot groups instead of 5. The weight of the cartridges in the mag tube changing after every shot isn't going to help in grouping abilities. Shoot it more to get in broken in also.


Make sure the buttstock is snug on the receiver. If the open sights are a challenge for you let another shooter try it. It could be you.

Try a different brand of ammo. You may have to look but a couple companies did load that round.

[Markopolo]

boy, that would look real good next to my marlin 336 in 32 win special...

there really is not many better cast cals then the 32 WS.... time to get a 165gr mould and cast some boolits... follow the book and go kill sumthin. i killed 10 deer and 5 bears with mine last hunting season... none required a follow up shot... well, one did actually, it was down but still breathing.

keep it, or send it to me...

[MrWolf]

boy, that would look real good next to my marlin 336 in 32 win special...

there really is not many better cast cals then the 32 WS.... time to get a 165gr mould and cast some boolits... follow the book and go kill sumthin. i killed 10 deer and 5 bears with mine last hunting season... none required a follow up shot... well, one did actually, it was down but still breathing.

keep it, or send it to me...

This. Except the part about sending it to him vs me:Fire: Good luck. I wouldn't trade my Marlin either.

[william l evans]

I was getting basket ball size groups at 100 yds. I will probably stay with the win brand of J-words for the brass
to reload lead. Maybe shoot some more J-word loads to smooth out the bore before switching to lead, that was my
original thoughts on break-in.

[Randy Bohannon]

You need a fat boolit .323” 170 gr lots of good moulds for the 32 Special. Commercial hard cast with their crappy lube will get you no satisfaction. This rifle deserves you to step up and do what the rifle wants, to be cared for,cherished and fed what it likes. I have a 1956 my Dad bought me,a Win. 94 in 32 Special I was zero days old as he did for his three Sons. Older and younger brothers got 30-30’s . I got the . 32 Special because it was cheaper at the base exchange when he was in the Army Air Corps. The Win. 94 .32 Special is a cast boolit dream cartridge with accuracy on par with the 32-40 , they share the same barrel with shallow rifling @ 1:16 ROT .
There’s a reason Winchester is offering new 94’s in 32 Special , they work when given their needs.

[Shawlerbrook]

Check the crown on the barrel. A ding could really blow up group sizes. Also, a loose or binding forearm could be the problem. From what you describe, it not being shot so no fouled bore, so something else is amiss. The $400 offer definitely was not a friend. You should get at least 3-4” at 100 yards and probably a little better.

[pietro]

solid rest, stock sights. I have other open sighted rifles that I can shoot real good.


A few comments:

I sure wouldn't have let it go for only $400, either (if it was in good condition).

IMO 15 rounds isn't an indicator of how it should shoot, i.e. if it's shot properly.

You mentioned that your other open sighted guns shoot well; but if they're not leverguns with 2-piece stocks, there's a pretty good chance that you may not be shooting your .32 properly.

Leverguns with 2-piece stocks don't respond from a solid rest the same way guns with other configs, like bolt-actions, do.

The Gold Standard for shooting guns like your Winchester 94 is to never allow any portion of the rifle's wood or metal parts to touch anything except a portion of your body - especially not at/on the front rest or the benchtop at the rear of the buttstock.

IME, when benchresting a levergun:

The forend should be held tightly with the off hand down against the top of the front rest - all the while pulling the forend down & back into the shoulder at the same time.

The wrist of the buttstock should also be grasped tightly by the trigger hand, leaving the trigger finger free to operate the trigger, and also pulling the buttstock back into the shoulder firmly - ensure that the toe of the buttstock isn't in contact with the benchtop.

Remember, practice makes perfect.


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[Markopolo]

there is one other thing you should know... just get yourself some 30-30 brass and put it through your 32 win FL sizer, and you wont need to purchase any special brass.... I use a sharpie to color the bottom of the brass so it doesn't get mistaken for normal 30-30.... no big deal to find brass either...

marko

[salvadore]

My late 40s 94 .32ws had the barrel shortened and fitted with a Lyman reciever sight. My accurate 160 gr. load will shoot 1"@ 50 yds. It makes for a great handy shooter. I also have used range pick up 30/30 brass. I think from now on I will go to neck sizing due seperation signs.

[northmn]

A few comments:

I sure wouldn't have let it go for only $400, either (if it was in good condition).

IMO 15 rounds isn't an indicator of how it should shoot, i.e. if it's shot properly.

You mentioned that your other open sighted guns shoot well; but if they're not leverguns with 2-piece stocks, there's a pretty good chance that you may not be shooting your .32 properly.

Leverguns with 2-piece stocks don't respond from a solid rest the same way guns with other configs, like bolt-actions, do.

The Gold Standard for shooting guns like your Winchester 94 is to never allow any portion of the rifle's wood or metal parts to touch anything except a portion of your body - especially not at/on the front rest or the benchtop at the rear of the buttstock.

IME, when benchresting a levergun:

The forend should be held tightly with the off hand down against the top of the front rest - all the while pulling the forend down & back into the shoulder at the same time.

The wrist of the buttstock should also be grasped tightly by the trigger hand, leaving the trigger finger free to operate the trigger, and also pulling the buttstock back into the shoulder firmly - ensure that the toe of the buttstock isn't in contact with the benchtop.

Remember, practice makes perfect.


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No need to repeat. Also you need to try other brands of ammo. Hornady even makes a LE version. The 32 special was one of the most neglected cartridges Winchester had and I think they may have purposely made it obsolete for production shortcuts. Handloaded it will do with a 20" barrel what the 30-30 does with the 26" barrel all the manuals and ballistic tables quote from. I saw a recent chronograph test of the 32 vs the 30-30 and the factory ammo was loaded down a bit. 32 special is a better carbine cartridge than the 30-30.

DEP

[koger]

I have a pre 64 94 in W32 spl, it is a tack driver, and really loves the Hornady Leverloution, but I had to take the elevator completely out to get it to zero at 100yds.

[elmacgyver0]

Re, "What would you do?" -- I'd keep it -- for several reasons. First, for me, would be the "sentimental" one, as it is something which belonged to a relation. I have a Mossburg .22 which belonged to me Great-Uncle Vincent, who used it to shoot rabbits off the (New York City) 3rd Avenue El (elevated subway) for meat during the Depression. And, it is an item I could probably always sell -- if I became in real need for a bit of cash. Secondly, when Winchester stopped lever production, prices sky-rocketed, and (in my area) the norm price for one was in the $700 USD range. Now? At a recent gun show, the average price was LESS than $300 USD! Visiting with a most reputable dealer, upon my "Wowsers" at the low prices, he purported that "new, young shooters" seem to want AR-type, sniper, and bench-rest type arms; those who have loved and collected "winnies" through the years are mostly old persons -- who -- or their kin -- are in need of getting rid of them. Hence, the supply is ever exceeding any demand -- which equals super low prices. And third/finally -- the .32WS is a delightful calibre for casters/reloaders. I have one which had a hard time getting five shots (my magazine loading) on a paper plate (my target) at 75 yards using factory J-bullets. I slugged the barrel, cast some FNSWCs (gas checked), and using IMR3031 powder and CCI primers -- cut the group almost exactly in half! Tweaking -- ladder tests, etc. -- albeit lots of fun, shrunk the group size even more, albeit maybe only 3/4" at most. Yes.... I'd surely keep it.
My two pennies on it!
geo

Could you please point me in the direction of some of these $300 Winchesters that are so plentiful?
I would be eternally grateful!

[koger]

I just saw a pre 64 30/30 on a online auction, pretty dang slick go for $360. I bought one at a sale about 3 months ago, mint for $410. But I had been looking for a year. Winchesters have went down in my area, because the young kids don't know a pre 64 from a Mossberg, and us old farts are dying out.

[pietro]

Could you please point me in the direction of some of these $300 Winchesters that are so plentiful?
I would be eternally grateful!


Well, they're out there...…

FWIW, I recently sold a .30-30 Winchester 94 Antique (model), made ca.1967, for $300 - but the case colors were very much faded & the forend wood had a small/short crack.

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[30calflash]

I sold a 94 30-30 to a friend for under $300, but he was a friend. Very good condition w a Williams receiver sight on it.

[Texas by God]

Post 64 model 94s are $400+ around here. Pre 64 model 94s are $600+. Based on good condition for both figures. You can get a 94 for $300 if you are in the right place at the right time- which I never am.

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[MostlyLeverGuns]

I have 3 Marlin 336's in 32 Special, all will stay under 1 1/2 at 100 yards with 170 Speer or Hornady AND with Matt's Bullets 185gr .323. I don't think the factories have the same accuracy standard for some of the lever gun ammunition compared to the 243 and such. I have not tried any of recent manufacture, 'the seasonal special runs'. The 32 Special may be the best of cartridges when it comes to accurate, pleasant shooting cast bullet cartridges. A 200 gr NEI .323 cast by BULLshop over 16gr of 5744 gives me 2.5" 10 shot groups at 200 yards.

[william l evans]

I have 3 Marlin 336's in 32 Special, all will stay under 1 1/2 at 100 yards with 170 Speer or Hornady AND with Matt's Bullets 185gr .323. I don't think the factories have the same accuracy standard for some of the lever gun ammunition compared to the 243 and such. I have not tried any of recent manufacture, 'the seasonal special runs'. The 32 Special may be the best of cartridges when it comes to accurate, pleasant shooting cast bullet cartridges. A 200 gr NEI .323 cast by BULLshop over 16gr of 5744 gives me 2.5" 10 shot groups at 200 yards.

standard sights,peeps,or scope for those 200 yard groups?

[gumbo333]

Years ago my friend had a Winny 32 sp. It wasn't that accurate, but better than bball sized groups. He was after minute of whitetail (4") at a hundred. His bore was oversized. He found some bigger bullets, can't remember if cast or j, but it then became a decent shooter. He moved away years ago. Check your bore size. It was a really slick smooth action but I've never had a Winny lever. You might Google 32 win special and find info on oversized bores.

[MostlyLeverGuns]

For william l evans
I have several scopes with 14-20 top power that I use for load development, then I will put a lighter scope or receiver sights on them after finding the 'optimal load. You can't determine a rifle's accuracy with poor sights. A receiver sight with an aperture front like the Lyman 17A can come very very close if a scope cannot be easily mounted. Another step is tuning the trigger, a crisp 2.5 to 3lbs can make a great difference in group size, just check what the benchrest folk use.

[OverMax]

Keep it.
32 special is very versatile cartridge. One of the few calibers that can shoot Wheel weight cast_ paper patched soft cast_G/checked & jacketed all equally well. It is a close_ & mid range shooter. No promise of clover leaf groupings at 100 yards. Just the promise to punch 5/16th size holes in a 10" paper plate at 100. Its a dandy for White Tail. Light weight carbine having a magazine that accommodates its shooters experience or not. Bullet expands fully. Dumps all its energy that many modern cartridges can't match. (pass thru's galore ) I like my 32 Specials. Their a fun gun to take~plinking. Especially so if the shooter is a home-reloader. There are cartridges that are just cartridges. 32 special on the other hand is always a challenge to its shooters.

[-D-]

Experiment a little. My 1949 vintage carbine, with a good receiver sight, will keep five 170 grain Hornady flat points under two inches at 100 yards. Not blazing, but 36.0 grains of WW748 gets me 1923fps. I'm keeping it.

[Outpost75]

If it is a .32 Winchester Special it is a pre-1964 because no .32s were made after that. Around here a .32 Spl. sells for about $100 less than a .30-30 of similar vintage and condition, about $450 vs. $550. They are good guns, but factory jacketed ammo does not have a great reputation for accuracy anbd it is expensive! Cast is best. Common .30-30 brass necked up is fine.

Do a pound cast of your chamber neck and origin of rifling and use the largest bullet diameter which chambers easily. IGNORE the groove diameter of your barrel, fit bullets for safe neck-release clearance. Accurate 32-175M is good choice with 30 grains of IMR4895, IMR4064, RL15 or Varget with 50-50 COWW and plumber's lead with 2% tin added.

In most guns size to .323." With correct loads you should get under 4-inch groups at 100 yards with simple open sights. A Lyman peep will shave an inch or more off of that.

259632

[veeman]

Winchester made 32 Spl's in the Wranglers for a few years doing the 80's, I had one.

[Outpost75]

Winchester made 32 Spl's in the Wranglers for a few years doing the 80's, I had one.

Thanks for that info. I wasn't aware of those.

[jtaylor1960]

As a general rule the 32 special is a great cast bullet gun.I have several and most will shoot cast better than jacketed bullets even with high velocity hunting loads.Don't be too quick to give up on your gun.

[OverMax]

Since the twist rate in a Win 94 is different between the 30 wcf and the 32 special. The 32 is capable of showing reasonable accuracy w/ B-P use. 30 wcf is suggested to use Smokeless powder >only.

[northmn]

Funny about the difference in locations. The 32 Specials I have seen go about $1-200 higher than 30-30's. Think its is regional. I rarely see a Marlin on the used rack but Winchester's pretty often. Saw some chronograph results with factory ammo and the 32 Special was a little slower with the 170 grain than the 170 30-30. Handloading the 32 Special with a 20" barrel can usually slightly outdo the 30-30 with the 26" barrels.

DEP

[pcmacd]

I am looking for a FN GC bullet for my 1942 Win 32 SPL.

Suggestions appreciated.

$0.50/bullet for Horn 32005 is a bit rich for me, but they do shoot great.

[NEKVT]

The RCBS 32-170-FN was designed for the 32 Win Special. Drops 180-185gr cast from hunting type alloys like 50/50. Sizing .323 is a good place to start.

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[OverMax]

Keep it. You won't find another as nice.

[pietro]

If it is a .32 Winchester Special it is a pre-1964 because no .32s were made after that.

FYI:

In the Winchester Model 94, the .32 Special chambering was:

* Announced in 1902
* Officially introduced in 1903
* Dis-continued in 1973
* Re-introduced in 1983 (Wrangler)

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[pcmacd]

The RCBS 32-170-FN was designed for the 32 Win Special. Drops 180-185gr cast from hunting type alloys like 50/50. Sizing .323 is a good place to start.

305147

RCBS notes this as a 0.321" diameter bullet.

That does not seem to jibe with what I've read?

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1010269536/

[pcmacd]

I am looking for a FN GC bullet for my 1942 Win 32 SPL.

Suggestions appreciated.

$0.50/bullet for Horn 32005 is a bit rich for me, but they do shoot great.

I've got a LEE C329-205-1R that I bought for my 8x58RD. It comes out around 217 grains with lube and GC.

Too heavy for the 32 special?

[Randy Bohannon]

You’ll need to get closer to .323” diameter to start with, with that amount of sizing what will that do to the lube grooves will do nothing for accuracy . 1:16 ROT may not stabilize something that long but it might if pushed fast enough, I would expect some leading somewhere in the barrel. The RCBS 170 gr. mould for the .32 cal rifle barrels is very good or a reasonable facsimile of that mould would be a better choice. .32 Special is great cartridge when things are what it’s designed for.

[NEKVT]

RCBS notes this as a 0.321" diameter bullet.

That does not seem to jibe with what I've read?

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1010269536/

The ones in the picture were sized .323 when lubed. They drop close that depending on alloy and you can see they are lightly sized.

[35 Rem]

RCBS notes this as a 0.321" diameter bullet.

That does not seem to jibe with what I've read?

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1010269536/

I bought this mold this year through Midway and mine drops bullets .325 or a tiny bit under that using CoWW and pure lead. I've shot it with some good success in a commercial 98 Mauser in 8mm Mauser. Just got a Miroku Winchester 94 in 32 Special so of course intend to try it in that also since the bullet was designed for that cartridge.