Winchester 1876 in .50-95, Who has one?

[hockeynick39]

I currently own an original 1875 in .45-60 that was built in 1882, so I am familiar with the rifle. What I am more curious about is the cartridge and what people think of it, especially for hunting and such. I have been thinking of going with an Uberti so I can use smokeless powders in it. Thoughts, comments, please post, thank you.

[ndnchf]

I have an Uberti .50-95. Its a very fine rifle, no problems at all. While not a tackdriver, it shoots quite well.

[missionary5155]

Good morning
We have a "higher" number 4xxx Chaparral 1876 in 50-95. We generally shoot Goex 3F with a 350 grain home cast. Rifle will shoot regularly 2.5 inches at 100 yards off cross sticks. Off and on I can hold it to 2.25 inches.
So far no smokeless load can beat the 3F load but 5744 will come real close. Both the 3F load and 5744 we hold to the same velocity of 1465 fps more or less.
The 350 grain slug does far more damage at 100 - 200 yards than the original under 300 grain slug.
I will see if I can get a photo up....
Mike in LLama Land

[veeman]

My 76 is an older Uberti 45/75, has the "Uberti Chamber". One of my more favorite rifles, shoots very well with most smokeless powders, but does seem to favor IMR4198, and Shooters Choice Buffalo Rifle.
https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/ng/services/mediarender/THISLIFE/010046471428/media/54529143262/medium/1556228048/enhance

[missionary5155]

This is our 50-95. After shooting it enough in the summer time I decided to remove the steel shoulder destroyer and add a padded cover. Now I can shoot it very comfortably in a T-shirt.
Also I removed the ladder sight and installed a full buckhorn from Marbles. Works excellent with our 3F load out to 200 yards.

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[ATCDoktor]

I have two reproduction 1876’s chambered for 50/95 WCF.

One is a Chaparral carbine and the other is a Uberti Presidio carbine and both are an extreme pleasure to shoot.

https://i.postimg.cc/nV7vDyS0/8D2D977E-7DB6-47C3-96BC-F780F327D15F.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Both the Uberti and Chaparral group extremely well with my handloads which launch a 350 flat point bullet at 1450 FPS using a stiff charge of H4198 and standard rifle primers.

This is an 75 yard group with the Presidio using the above mentioned load.
https://i.postimg.cc/9z3Jf2FB/IMG-1376.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

And here’s a hundred yard group with the Chaparral (again using H4198 and a 350 grain flat point boolit).
https://i.postimg.cc/3W5z5Dy8/IMG-1375.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

I have experimented with boolits up to 450 grains in the Chaparral and they too shoot very good groups albeit about 12” lower than the 350 grain projectiles.

This is a 100 yard group from the Chaparral fired using some .515 450 grain boolits meant for the 50/70 govt using H4831 as well.
https://i.postimg.cc/BvMRbzPN/C997-FD94-C42-A-4-AE2-AC8-C-624-B3-D2-D98-F0.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

The POI was so low I had to hold well above the steel cross bar on my target frame to hit the steel.

As you can see, these reproductions chambered in 50/95 wcf can be made to shoot extremely well.

With regards to hunting and the 50/95’s performance on game, I’ve had neither of mine in the field so I can’t speak specifically to that concern.

That said, having taken game with cartridges having similar performance I would have complete confidence using the 50/95 cartridge on any North American game within the limits of my shooting skill.

[missionary5155]

Good afternoon
Going to have to run some 4198 through our's next time up north.
When we were trying out smokeless in our's as our supply of 4198 was near gone.

[ndnchf]

What is the 4198 charge with the 350gr bullet?

[ATCDoktor]

What is the 4198 charge with the 350gr bullet?

PM sent

[ndnchf]

PM sent
Sorry, didnt get a pm.

[ATCDoktor]

Check now.

Keep in mind that data is meant for reproduction rifles in good condition.

I would not use that data in an original 1876.

[ndnchf]

Thanks.

[sharps4590]

Two things....either I cannot look at this thread again or I'm going to have to acquire a '76 in 50-95....and it will be you guys fault.....:|

[veeman]

It is very tempting, isn't it. I just acquired 100 new Jamison 40-60 brass, and am halfheartedly looking for one. Can't deny the truth of the fact that I want one all 4 calibers. :bigsmyl2:

[hockeynick39]

Thank you gentleman! Definitely the information I was seeking. :guntootsmiley::guntootsmiley:

[sharps4590]

A few months back there was a local auction of most of the firearms of a late friend of mine. I had absolutely NO IDEA he had nearly 400. Anyway, I bought a NIB '73 in 44-40 worth the money and there was also a '76, NIB in 50-95 that I just passed on. I should have stuck around and bought it as well. Hind sight. Ah well, there'll be another come along sometime.

[wwmartin]

I bought 80 round of 50-95W BACO black powder loads at the local auction house at a very good price. The rest is history. New Uberti from BACO and Lyman mold, IMR 4198 load data from Cartridges of the World and was pleasantly surprised that it doesn't beat you to death.
If you get one brass can be made from 50 Alaskan, less trimming and rims don't need trimmed like the 50-90 that I used.
Buffalo Arms had the best price for new when I bought mine a year ago.

Bill

[missionary5155]

We bought our's when CDNN was wholesaling them. Actually bought two but the other is the Canadian Mountie model in 40-60.
Each was less than what I see used ones selling for. But between the calibers I have a real happy feeling with the 50. Big holes are always better !
Mike in LLama Land

[hpbear101]

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I'm really enjoying mine since I got it a month or so ago. I am using Starline 50 Alaskan brass, RCBS dies, and the Accurate Molds 51-350CL bullet. I have 1886s in 45-70 and 1 50-100, the 50-95 would be adequate for deer sand elk at appropriate ranges.

Tom

[Bob Busetti]

I got my 50/95 about 10 years ago. I bought a Lyman 340 gr mold & sizer .512. I found right away the bullets shot much better when left as cast, .515. Opened up sizer die to .515. Rifle is an excellent shooter now. Found that RX7 & 5744 work best to give me the 1500 fps I wanted. The rifle I have is the Express rifle with 22" barrel.

[missionary5155]

Ya know it is possible that there are more 50-95 rifles being shot in our country today than at any other time.
The production numbers were never high with many being sent to India and other "big cat" areas in the "far east".

[ndnchf]

I just got back from the range and collected some good. 50-95 chrono data for a few of my loads. I'll post them in a while. Cleaning guns now.

[missionary5155]

Super ! Always good to read how loads are performing in another barrel.

[square butte]

Anyone know what the optimum crimp groove to nose measurement is for best COAL for the newer Uberti guns. Thinking about having Accurate molds make a mold that is just right for COAL - and with a bit wider meplat than the 51-350-CL

[ndnchf]

2.245 " COAL is what I load my Uberti to. It functions flawlessly.

[indian joe]

2.245 " COAL is what I load my Uberti to. It functions flawlessly.

mine are right around 2.260 "

[sharps4590]

missionary, you are more than likely correct! Come to think of it, there's probably a lot like that. Sharps come to mind as do Colt SAA's and 73s. I thought maybe rollers but boy, there was a PILE of them made.

[missionary5155]

We do have a lot to choose from today. Think of all the caliber possibilities and all the companies turning out lever actions.
Yet it is still the BP based calibers that dominate sales in lever actions. Sure is an interesting time to be a cast reloader.

[veeman]

We do have a lot to choose from today. Think of all the caliber possibilities and all the companies turning out lever actions.
Yet it is still the BP based calibers that dominate sales in lever actions. Sure is an interesting time to be a cast reloader.

Yet we still can't get proper headstamped brass without costing an arm and a leg for most of them. I was lucky enough to score several hundred 45/75 new Jamison cases so I should be good for my lifetime in that caliber. There is a guy selling new Jamison 40/60WCF brass on Guns International. I grabbed a couple hundred of those too, only because I hope to have 1 of each caliber in the Mighty 76!

[veeman]

I know Indian Joe is a leading member there, but if you other fella's come on over to the CAS 1876 forum, we have lots of useful info to share, and are always happy to have new guys come in and show off. https://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/board,89.0.html

[gumbo333]

Missionary, you may have a hard time getting back North. CV19 in Peru?

[ndnchf]

I agree, the CASCITY M1876 forum is a great resource. Years ago I started the "Loading data for the .50WCF" sticky at the top of the forum.

[missionary5155]

Howdy Gumbo
It is down here also.. We are in our third week of "stay home"... They have the military and the reserves out to keep a 6pm - 5a "lock down".
Something about 3000+ are in retention camps for being stupid.
So maybe we will be able to leave here the end of May. But God knows the future and we will not kick and fuss. Sometime or another we will get there. Just so I do not miss out on bow season.

[GL49]

I've got a Chapparal 45-75 and a 50-95 Uberti and am in the process of acquiring brass, dies, and appropriate boolit moulds for both.

What's a "Uberti chamber"?

[veeman]

What's a "Uberti chamber"?

The Uberti Chamber is a term used for the improperly cut chambers for the early 76 rifles in 45/75 caliber. For whatever reason, the shoulder was cut too far forward than what the original is. the picture shows the Uberti Chamber shoulder, the one on the right is the properly placed shoulder. So far I have not had any problems with my rifle, it actually hold a bit more black powder that a normal shaped round. My rifle is a very accurate one, and prefers IMR 4198 powder with a 350gr pill. Hope this answers your question.
https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/ng/services/mediarender/THISLIFE/010046471428/media/55064734189/medium/1586616664/enhance
https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/ng/services/mediarender/THISLIFE/010046471428/media/53801588065/small/1521899439/enhance

[GL49]

The Uberti Chamber is a term used for the improperly cut chambers for the early 76 rifles in 45/75 caliber. For whatever reason, the shoulder was cut too far forward than what the original is. the picture shows the Uberti Chamber shoulder, the one on the right is the properly placed shoulder. So far I have not had any problems with my rifle, it actually hold a bit more black powder that a normal shaped round. My rifle is a very accurate one, and prefers IMR 4198 powder with a 350gr pill. Hope this answers your question.

Yes it does. Thanks for the pictures, that makes it easy to see.

[missionary5155]

That shorter one looks a lot like one of the British cartridges that was well used back then.

[Soundguy]

Good morning
We have a "higher" number 4xxx Chaparral 1876 in 50-95. We generally shoot Goex 3F with a 350 grain home cast. Rifle will shoot regularly 2.5 inches at 100 yards off cross sticks. Off and on I can hold it to 2.25 inches.
So far no smokeless load can beat the 3F load but 5744 will come real close. Both the 3F load and 5744 we hold to the same velocity of 1465 fps more or less.
The 350 grain slug does far more damage at 100 - 200 yards than the original under 300 grain slug.
I will see if I can get a photo up....
Mike in LLama Land

I'm looking at a chaparral in 50-95. What is the tube magazine capacity?
Thanks

[ATCDoktor]

I'm looking at a chaparral in 50-95. What is the tube magazine capacity?
Thanks

How long is the barrel?

My chaparral has a 22” barrel and holds 9 rounds.

[veeman]

Geez, thanks for reviving this thread, and reminding me I still don't have a 76 in 50-95. :groner:

[ATCDoktor]

Geez, thanks for reviving this thread, and reminding me I still don't have a 76 in 50-95.

Let me help you out:

https://i.postimg.cc/28ZnnPH0/4-EB00-C03-B104-4-AA1-B489-0-E08-A3-C34682.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/kMkTrNzh/01465F87-810A-4008-B5EC-A78F610D9B4B.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/MX2Mspsd/416018DF-7E61-4284-B7A4-570B2094BCBC.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/ZqVNTZR5/4F83F4D8-A87F-44ED-A1D0-A4D8CDDA1BA7.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/pTJnStsX/E6F407B7-3C59-4BF8-B493-E306C4E1CBAB.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/s2yPjw4w/B0F8AC13-AAD1-4251-8F57-4F36C8D6357C.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Look at that hole in the end of the barrel, the sight of that cavernous opening bearing down on man or beast would cause either to lose all hope and just give up.

Every levergun man rates a ‘76.

[veeman]

There is one on gunbroker right now, but its a Chappy, and I've heard too many horror stories about the build quality of the Chappies. Outside they look great, inside, pure garbage. I'm sure there are some good ones out there, but seems most are not.

[leadeye]

I've got an Uberti shoots quite well using Accurate's 51-350T. I crimp at the top groove and use 5744. Feeding and function are great.

[David LaPell]

I have two reproduction 1876’s chambered for 50/95 WCF.

One is a Chaparral carbine and the other is a Uberti Presidio carbine and both are an extreme pleasure to shoot.

https://i.postimg.cc/nV7vDyS0/8D2D977E-7DB6-47C3-96BC-F780F327D15F.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Both the Uberti and Chaparral group extremely well with my handloads which launch a 350 flat point bullet at 1450 FPS using a stiff charge of H4198 and standard rifle primers.

This is an 75 yard group with the Presidio using the above mentioned load.
https://i.postimg.cc/9z3Jf2FB/IMG-1376.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

And here’s a hundred yard group with the Chaparral (again using H4198 and a 350 grain flat point boolit).
https://i.postimg.cc/3W5z5Dy8/IMG-1375.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

I have experimented with boolits up to 450 grains in the Chaparral and they too shoot very good groups albeit about 12” lower than the 350 grain projectiles.

This is a 100 yard group from the Chaparral fired using some .515 450 grain boolits meant for the 50/70 govt using H4831 as well.
https://i.postimg.cc/BvMRbzPN/C997-FD94-C42-A-4-AE2-AC8-C-624-B3-D2-D98-F0.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

The POI was so low I had to hold well above the steel cross bar on my target frame to hit the steel.

As you can see, these reproductions chambered in 50/95 wcf can be made to shoot extremely well.

With regards to hunting and the 50/95’s performance on game, I’ve had neither of mine in the field so I can’t speak specifically to that concern.

That said, having taken game with cartridges having similar performance I would have complete confidence using the 50/95 cartridge on any North American game within the limits of my shooting skill.

I really have to try and find a reason not to order one of those Presdio's. Every time I see one I get faint, I want to play around with the .50-95 and that gun just calls to me.

[square butte]

Same thing happened to me - I'm a sucker for short rifles. There's one in the barn now . . . I just had Accurate make me a new mold, but have not tried it yet. 51-348E

[indian joe]

Same thing happened to me - I'm a sucker for short rifles. There's one in the barn now . . . I just had Accurate make me a new mold, but have not tried it yet. 51-348E

ARRRRRGGGGGHHH - I wish you blokes would stop tormenting me like this --- already done a couple searches for 50 alaskan brass -- proly gonna have to ban meself from here for a month :bigsmyl2::bigsmyl2:

[dferrier]

I got my 50/95 about 10 years ago. I bought a Lyman 340 gr mold & sizer .512. I found right away the bullets shot much better when left as cast, .515. Opened up sizer die to .515. Rifle is an excellent shooter now. Found that RX7 & 5744 work best to give me the 1500 fps I wanted. The rifle I have is the Express rifle with 22" barrel.

Bob which 50/95 variant did you get? It seems there are variations between the different models.

[veeman]

I can't believe I hadn't shown off in this thread! I got one! A Uberti Texas Ranger Presidio. So far, every day I plan for the range, it rain's. Still haven't gotten to shoot it.
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[missionary5155]

Hi we have 2 Chappy 1876 rifles and both are super ! Both were made after the first 1000 that were Iffy.
One a 50-95 is 4xxx and a Canadian Monty model 45-60 3xxx. So just check serial #'s.
I have heard of all companies having issues by the way. Even Freedom Arms has an issue off and on.
So below is our 50-95. We did have a tang sight on it also. Cannot find the photo of the 76 Monty. But it is a full stock 22 inch barrel.
Bought both 3 years apart from CDNN for under $600 delivered !! Bet you will pay double for just one.

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