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RydForLyf
03-08-2020, 09:06 AM
Let me tell you how great it is to use a powder measure with a micrometer adjustment. It’s great.

The immediate and most obvious benefit is that once you find a desired charge weight, you write it down in your book and you can always go right back to that the next time you need that charge with that powder. Dial, bam! You’re there. Yeah, that’s helpful, but if that’s the only thing you think is great, you’re really missing out on the really good stuff, charge charts! Wouldn’t it be great to have a chart on your wall with all of your powders with all of the dial settings for ALL charges? That is the secret sauce of a micrometer on your powder measure.

DISCLOSURE: Every powder measure micrometer is different, so everyone needs to build their own charts, but it’s pretty easy.

Here’s how to do it. I’ll demonstrate with my Uniquetek on my Dillon powder measure using HS-6 because that is what’s in it now.

1) Disconnect Fail Safe Rod
https://i.imgur.com/GdXMq6a.jpg

2) Drop loaded charge, leave measure “open” and adjust micrometer to “0”.
https://i.imgur.com/RJYx4i9.jpg

3) Cycle measure for your preferred “reset” cycles.
4) Measure 10 shots into a suitable container. I use a plugged .410 shell. I place the shell under the tip of the powder funnel and cycle it manually, holding bell cranks with my right hand. It’s a two handed operation, up and down ten times.
5) Dump 10 charges onto scale.
https://i.imgur.com/8LMdu39.jpg

6) For HS-6, my “Zero” charge is 3.54 gr.
7) Empty scale pan.
8) Run micrometer out a good range. I use 0.2” on mine.
https://i.imgur.com/oCaWgpM.jpg

9) Reset/cycle/dump.
10) Dump 10 charges at your “open” setting. Make sure to not overflow your catch device. Don’t ask!
https://i.imgur.com/mli06FU.jpg

11) For HS-6, my “Open” charge weight is 10.39 gr
12) Do the math.. 10.39 - 3.54 = 6.85. This is how much powder charge difference there is between your micrometer set to “0” and “0.2”.
13) Figure how your charge changes as the opening changes (slope). 6.85 gr/ Measure Opening (0.2”) = 34.25 gr per inch of opening. This means if your powder could slide open for 1 inch, you would get 34.25 gr for each inch of opening.
14) Now, you just need the magic equation. Let’s try it with a target of 5.2 gr.
Micrometer setting(X) = (Desired charge - “Zero” charge)/Slope
X = (5.2 - 3.54 [from #6 above]) / 34.25 [#13 above]
X = 1.66 / 34.25
X = 0.0485
15) Let’s test it!
16) Set the micrometer to 0.0485”
https://i.imgur.com/1WLYV51.jpg

17) Reset
18) Throw and weigh ten charges
https://i.imgur.com/9fK1gAv.jpg

Not too bad, 5.25 grains first try. To get this closer, I’d go back and re-do my “zero” and 0.2” measurements to make sure they’re perfect and then re-do my calcs.

Now, I’ll build this into Excel and run it out for all reasonable charges, for all of my powders. I’ll print this out and hang it on the wall. Every time I want to set the measure, all I do is look it up on the chart and go. If you get a new jug of a powder, recheck your two data points to see if anything changed since your last batch and update if necessary. Bam! You’ll have all new suggested settings for the new powder batch.
https://i.imgur.com/hwbJWZn.jpg

How to use it. If I want to load 4.5 gr of Power Pistol, I scan down the left column to 4.5 then run across that row to the Power Pistol and see I should set the micrometer to 0.0630”. I’ll dial it in, throw 10 charges to confirm weight and go from there. You will be amazed how accurate it is when using it.

For anyone interested, here are the Excel equations.
Calculate “slope”
https://i.imgur.com/dQpoVfM.jpg

Calculate setting for each desired charge. This is for 3.0 gr of AA #2.
https://i.imgur.com/lwkwnIg.jpg

One last and VERY IMPORTANT step. Reconnect fail safe rod so you don’t make a run of squibs. DON’T ASK!!!

I can gladly send my excel chart to anyone who wants it. Just remember, it only works for my setup. I have the same thing for my Redding measure, but of course, it is TOTALLY different settings.

RydForLyf
03-08-2020, 09:07 AM
Post 2 in case I need to add more pictures.

Taterhead
03-09-2020, 01:04 AM
Good post. My progressive press came with one standard. I liked it so much, I've outfitted 3 more Uniflows with micro adjusters. I also note the setting so that I can dial 'er up again. Quick verification on the scale and off we go.

M-Tecs
03-09-2020, 01:50 AM
I am a big fan of the Uniquetek mike adjustments.

JimB..
03-09-2020, 04:33 AM
I might just have someone build an app for this. I have a couple measures with micrometers but haven’t used them much as I tend to load the same things all the time and have measures setup for each.

BTW, it’s been too long since I had to do anything with calculus, but isn’t the derivative of slope of the curve going to be the density of the powder?

RydForLyf
03-09-2020, 06:50 AM
I might just have someone build an app for this. I have a couple measures with micrometers but haven’t used them much as I tend to load the same things all the time and have measures setup for each.

BTW, it’s been too long since I had to do anything with calculus, but isn’t the derivative of slope of the curve going to be the density of the powder?

I'm in the middle of testing a bunch of different powders for load development and being able to look up the specific setting and "dial it in" makes that process go much faster.

Well, we're not going to be that fancy here. It's all linear, so the curve is a straight line. :grin:

RydForLyf
03-09-2020, 06:57 AM
I am a big fan of the Uniquetek mike adjustments.

Agreed. It is a great product.

Green Frog
03-09-2020, 11:01 AM
I’ve heard of benchrest shooters not even writing down their charges, just the number of “clicks.” Of course with a true micrometer, you can record charges based on your precise linear value.

Prior to the popularization of the the Culver type measures, it was popular to make a special drop tube for the Belding and Mull Visible Measure with a micrometer head from Starrett... it would set all the way to true zero volume then measure the depth of the chamber to the nearest .001”. I used this system for several years with a superfine ball powder and as you would expect, the consistency was spectacular.

Froggie

Burnt Fingers
03-09-2020, 11:02 AM
They have an Excel sheet for that gadget.

Just weigh charges at each major division, plug them into the sheet and you're set.

I use the Ez-Dial https://www.titanreloading.com/easydial-small-bar

They work just as well, and are quite a bit less expensive.

pastera
03-09-2020, 11:48 AM
I use custom 3d printed bushings for my autodisc once I get the charge weight - drop charges in the cavities above and below where I want a charge and use the resuting weights to find the correct volume. 20 minutes on the printer and I have a powder bushing that drops the exact charge needed.

Link to a custom Lee Autodisc drop bar (I can forward files for the bushing version if requested)
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3290929

I haven't needed it but I am able to do a micro-disk version if there is a need for very small charge weights

44magLeo
03-09-2020, 12:18 PM
You can do the same with any measure with graduations.
Lee just makes it a bit easier by using cc's as graduations. Lee could make the perfect powder measure better so it's a bit easier to use. Perhaps the new Measure they have out will be better. haven't heard anything about it yet.
I like my Lyman 55 measures. With three slides it make the calculations on the chart a bit more time consuming.
I've been working on a chart for them for a few years now.
Leo

RydForLyf
03-09-2020, 12:24 PM
You can do the same with any measure with graduations.
Lee just makes it a bit easier by using cc's as graduations. Lee could make the perfect powder measure better so it's a bit easier to use. Perhaps the new Measure they have out will be better. haven't heard anything about it yet.
I like my Lyman 55 measures. With three slides it make the calculations on the chart a bit more time consuming.
I've been working on a chart for them for a few years now.
Leo

Yeah, but can you do this?

Powder AA #2

GN Dial Setting
3.00 0.0155
3.01 0.0159
3.02 0.0163
3.03 0.0167
3.04 0.0171
3.05 0.0175
3.06 0.0179
3.07 0.0183
3.08 0.0187
3.09 0.0191
3.10 0.0196
3.11 0.0200
3.12 0.0204
3.13 0.0208
3.14 0.0212
3.15 0.0216
3.16 0.0220
3.17 0.0224
3.18 0.0228
3.19 0.0232
3.20 0.0236
3.21 0.0240
3.22 0.0244
3.23 0.0248
3.24 0.0253

Just having fun.

44magLeo
03-09-2020, 12:31 PM
Not yet, I'm not computer literate enough to use a spread sheet.
I'm trying to get the Lyman marks to correspond to cc's. Then use Lees charts to get the powder charges.
Leo

country gent
03-09-2020, 09:46 PM
Use the burn rate chart in you manual. Not for a given charge but with you powders on hand. weigh out 1 grn charge and write the setting in behind the powder. When a new charge weight is needed multiply it by the 1 grn setting and you should be very close.

RydForLyf
03-10-2020, 08:00 AM
Use the burn rate chart in you manual. Not for a given charge but with you powders on hand. weigh out 1 grn charge and write the setting in behind the powder. When a new charge weight is needed multiply it by the 1 grn setting and you should be very close.

That would work if "zero" meant 0 on your powder measure. Neither the Redding Competition nor the Dillon actually close down completely, so you could throw 0.0 grains. Because of this "offset", simple extrapolation doesn't work. You need a REAL 0.0 capability.

For example, if you look at the Dillon powder bar, the bar itself is cut with a "V" notch at the end and the slider is square. Even turned down all the way, there is a pretty good charge that will be thrown. Once you know this "grains per inch of opening", you can make a chart like that above which gives extremely accurate predictions, usually within .001" or .002" on the micrometer. If I notice it is off considerably, I'll recheck and see that I had a typo or botched the initial measurements. If your initial two throws are accurate, it will be good unless some physical change happens to your powder density like a big humidity shift or you get a new batch with a different density.