An auto-loading lever action rifle ???

[Gewehr-Guy]

I was browsing around on Gun Broker, and a "Demilled Gas Operated Marlin 336 30-30" showed up. I thought I have about seen it all, but this baby takes the cake. If someone can post a picture of this abomination, I'm sure everyone will find it interesting.

It is kind of a hybrid of John Browning's gas operated '73 Winchester and a gas trap M-1, but made by a 15 year old in the farm's blacksmith shop!

[JimB..]

I saw that, thought that if it worked it was probably fired just once since it would have broken most of the shooters fingers.

[Shawlerbrook]

Sounds like something Bubba created after a few beers on the picnic table.

[TNsailorman]

Several of the early machine guns were gas trap models in one form or another. Most of the modern day gas operated rifle are just modified gas traps in one form or another. Whether simple direct impingement on a flapper(like the early guns), gas impingement on an operating rod(like the M1 Garand) or a shorter impingement on M16, they are all similar. You bleed gas off and use the energy to operate the recoil/feed system of the rifle/shotgun. I would like to see how that young man made his operate, would be interesting. james

[M-Tecs]

I don't remember if it was JMB, Garand or someone else but I do remember reading about one of them using a lever gun as a concept design platform for testing.

[pietro]

I don't remember if it was JMB, Garand or someone else but I do remember reading about one of them using a lever gun as a concept design platform for testing.

It was Bill Ruger who made his bones that way, using a Savage 99 for a base.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2012/7/18/the-first-ruger/


https://assets.americanrifleman.org/wp-content/uploads/Webcontent/images/2012-7/2012718114820-billrugerrifle_m.jpg?preset=list720

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[M-Tecs]

I was not aware of that one. The one I am referring to was on a Win 92 or a 94. It had exposed linkage under the barrel and going back to the lever.

[GL49]

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/859244777

It would almost be worth the price just to hang that on the wall to look at. Wowee.

[roadie]

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/859244777

It would almost be worth the price just to hang that on the wall to look at. Wowee.




I thought AR-15's were ugly, that thing has them beat hands down.

[Bantou]

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/859244777

It would almost be worth the price just to hang that on the wall to look at. Wowee.

You buy and shoot it and I’ll video. Then I’ll drive you to the hospital because it is more than likely going to break a few fingers lol.


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[samari46]

Think Hatchers book of the Garand shows some of the earlier designs for semi automatic military firearms that he was up against. And if my remaining 3 brain cells are still working there was one called the Bang which was a sort of gas trap design. But they all had to function with full powered 30-06 ammunition of which there were literally tons of the stuff after WWI. And McArthur didn't want another caliber in the supply chain. Frank

[FLINTNFIRE]

Look up john moses browning flapper model 1873 long before bill ruger

[M-Tecs]

Look up john moses browning flapper model 1873 long before bill ruger

That's the one was thinking about but couldn't remember who did it. Thanks.

https://www.browning.com/news/articles/finding-and-restoring-the-legendary-browning-flapper-model-1873.html

https://www.standard.net/entertainment/browning-s-flapper-the-holy-grail-of-machine-guns/article_a70fda91-ce77-5de8-b472-b337ecded798.html

[Texas by God]

Browning’s muzzle flap auto lever action was built on HIS baby- the 1892 Winchester. Ruger’s 99 is neater.

[FLINTNFIRE]

https://www.browning.com/news/articles/finding-and-restoring-the-legendary-browning-flapper-model-1873.html go see for yourself looks like it has sideplates not a 92

[hpdrifter]

If it was just left-handed!

[MrWolf]

Looks like he was using it as a shovel and a few other implements.

[bikerbeans]

"Hey ya'll watch this" he hollered as the finger lever amputated his trigger finger.:???:

BB

[jonp]

Someone thought it was worth $300. I'm also sure that if the buyer gives it a go, that will be followed by a trip to the emergency room and a hand splint.

[Gewehr-Guy]

After studying this novel design, I have come to the conclusion that the rate of fire is determined by the length of the screen door spring, which must be housed in the lower portion of the buttstock, which returns the action to full battery. The rate of fire is adjustable, depending on rate at which the operator's fingers get mangled or cut off........

[Moleman-]

This was also posted over at MarlinOwners last week. IIRC the receiver was made in 1981, so it's likely someones steampunk attempt at something.

[kens]

I don't remember if it was JMB, Garand or someone else but I do remember reading about one of them using a lever gun as a concept design platform for testing.

John Browning first machine gun was a modified levergun,

[Wayne Smith]

And the Bang was a Scandinavian design that used a gas trap at the muzzle. Not real sturdy.

[bikerbeans]

John Browning first machine gun was a modified levergun,

Mr. Browning was a gun building genius, whoever destroyed that 336, not so much.

BB

[Texas by God]

https://www.browning.com/news/articles/finding-and-restoring-the-legendary-browning-flapper-model-1873.html go see for yourself looks like it has sideplates not a 92Thanks for that link. I have seen a picture of one he did on a 92 and I thought that was the prototype. Thanks for the correction!

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[FLINTNFIRE]

Texas by god , I to thought it was a 92 till I googled , I also was surprised that it had sideplates after your post I had to go back and look again to make sure I had seen it right . here is a photo of my fathers he has on my wall of a JMB firearm 258277

[Gewehr-Guy]

Flintnfire, I clicked on your photo of the BAR, and noticed the chicken wire. Was that your father's photo from Korea?

[FLINTNFIRE]

Yes it is have a few of him over there 50-51 , good eyes Gewehr-Guy most miss the wire and what kind of rifle let alone where it was at.

[popper]

Not first self loading machine gun, Maxim did that 1884. Good proof of idea though. Dreyse invented the rotating bolt and thru bolt FP.
Who knows the purpose of the butchered 336.

[DonMountain]

Maybe it was built as a "trap gun" that was mounted with a trip wire (or string) to the trigger to shoot something or someone encroaching somewhere they shouldn't have been.

[a danl]

if i'm not mistaken i think it was bill ruger who took a savage 99 and converted it to a semi. maybe someone has more info on the subject.

[pietro]

if i'm not mistaken i think it was bill ruger who took a savage 99 and converted it to a semi. maybe someone has more info on the subject.


Look at post #4 in this thread.



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[C-dubb]

I think the rifle you are all talking about was the predecessor to the "potato digger" machine gun used in WW1.
It was one of Brownings inventions.

[john.k]

Maxim actually manufactured and sold his modified 1873 Winchesters to the Ottomans ,dont know how many ,but certainly enough for a test.And he also patented every possible way of making a gun work automatically ,including Brownings efforts....Which is why the Colt Browning gun could not be sold outside the US before 1904,when the Maxim patents expired.

[missionary5155]

If my memory is working correctly Mr. Browning used this basic idea to make the Browning "Potato Digger" automatic feed that Colt bought and developed into that wonder our troops took to Cuba.
Next time you watch "Rough Riders" they had at least two in the Regiment.
I am thinking NRA had an article about the Automatic in the Rifleman Magazine about 15 years back.

[perotter]

Maxim actually manufactured and sold his modified 1873 Winchesters to the Ottomans ,dont know how many ,but certainly enough for a test.And he also patented every possible way of making a gun work automatically ,including Brownings efforts....Which is why the Colt Browning gun could not be sold outside the US before 1904,when the Maxim patents expired.

Yup. Maxim's 1st patent for an auto loader was based a Winchester lever action. The recoil mechanism was in the butt stock attached to the butt plate. But there were a few that weren't covered under any of Maxim's patents. Madsen, Schwarzlose and the inertia unlock locking. The Madsen method was patented about the same time as Maxim's and the Schwarzlose was done purely to get around all patented methods.

Also, kudo's to the kid you did the Marlin in more recent history.