m1 30 carbine

[4006]

Hi
I recently inquired a M1 30 carbine I shot a couple times it's a nice little blinker now I'm thinking about doing some reloading for it
I reloading handgun loads no rifles I know what bullet I want to use I just don't know the powers I use Winchester and Hodgdon powder
for my handguns I'm not looking for load data I just want to see what other people are using I think I will be using Winchester 296 powder

Bullet Berry's 110 gr Round nose
primers Federal small rifle
press xl650


Thanks
Joe R

[rondog]

Hi
I recently inquired a M1 30 carbine I shot a couple times it's a nice little blinker now I'm thinking about doing some reloading for it
I reloading handgun loads no rifles I know what bullet I want to use I just don't know the powers I use Winchester and Hodgdon powder
for my handguns I'm not looking for load data I just want to see what other people are using I think I will be using Winchester 296 powder

Bullet Berry's 110 gr Round nose
primers Federal small rifle
press xl650


Thanks
Joe R

Magnum pistol powders like W296, H110, IMR4227, etc.

[Der Gebirgsjager]

H-110 is a good powder, almost standard; but 296 is also a good choice as is 2400.

[ShooterAZ]

I use W296, H110, IMR4227 and N110. All of them work very well in the M1 Carbine.

[Larry Gibson]

With the Berry bullet I would look at 2400 and 4227 starting loads or perhaps the Lyman 5.5 - 6.5 gr Unique loads.

[jimb16]

2400 and 4227 are my go-tos for carbine.

[3006guns]

I've gotten excellent function and accuracy with a 130 grain lead bullet and 11 grains of 2400. It's all I load anymore for my carbine.

[jimb16]

That 130 gr plain base is an excellent bullet for the carbine. I use it for most of my cast carbine loads.

[Harles Dawson]

That 130 gr plain base is an excellent bullet for the carbine. I use it for most of my cast carbine loads.
Would you mind naming that mold for me. Sounds interesting. Harles

[Thumbcocker]

2400 and 4227 are my go-tos for carbine.

Yup. Me too.

[jimb16]

Lyman 311410

[Texas by God]

Lee C309113f is all I need for cast in the .30 Carbine. I will admit to using some j-words too.

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[mtnman31]

My results with the Berrys bullet were not good. I tried a couple powders in two different rifles and had tumbling bullets at 100yards with mediocre accuracy. The 311-359 was a bit better and worked okay for plinking, but takes the additional step of using gas checks. I started developing loads with the 311-410 but fell into a screaming deal on some 110gr FMJs. I got them in bulk, they work well and will keep me in the M1 carbine game for many years to come.

[Larry Gibson]

mtnman31

Back in '68 I started casting for the 30 Carbine. Started with the 311410, a plain based bullet that weighed 125 - 130 gr depending on alloy. Tried COWWs and linotype back then. Couldn't get better than poor accuracy back then with 2400, 4227, H110 and AL8. If I backed off I got minute of ball ammo accuracy at 50 yards. It was a frustrating experience because with 100 gr half jackets and 110 Speer and Sierra RNSPs I could get 15 shot 2 - 3" groups at 100 yards. Lyman and all the experts claimed 311410 was "THE" cast bullet for the 30 Carbine...….

Then a friend loaned me a 311359 mould, I cast a couple hundred up (lots of fun with a single cavity mould but I didn't know any better then....) of COWWs, sized at .309, lubed with Javelina and GC'd with Hornady GCs. Loaded over any of those powders I was getting 2 - 2 moa groups at 100 yards with top end manual loads. Sold the 311410 mould, bought a 311359 double cavity mould (man was I castin bullets then!) and never looked back at another PB'd cast bullet for the 30 Carbine again.

I have since tried numerous other cast bullets of 105 - 120 gr and they all shot quite well, always better at 100 yards than the 311410 ever did at 50 yards. In the early '70s when I got my first Oehler chronograph I chronographed the 311410 load that shot the best as I had kept a couple hundred of those bullets for some reason. The velocity was 1500 fps +/- which is about what we know is usually the max velocity for real accuracy with PB cast bullets. My 311359 load with H110 runs 1870 fps. The 313631 105 gr GC'd SWC runs 1950 fps.

If plinking and "blastin" is all that's wanted out of the M1 carbine then I guess that's okay. However, it was not what I wanted. I wanted a cast load that shot as good, or almost, as jacketed bullets at full 30 carbine velocity. That has always been a much more useful load to me and the sights can be zeroed and regulated so effective shooting can be done to 300 yards with the M1 carbine. Thus I never thought, again, that GCing the cast bullets was a bother.....rather to me it was essential.

I suggest you try some of those 311359s with GCs on them with 4227 or H110. Might surprise you how well your M1 carbine can really shoot.

[la5676]

I cast up a bunch of boolits from a mold I borrowed from Dad several years ago. Only recently got them powder coated. He loved it for the carbine, it was almost a spittin' image of the ball ammo profile, 115 grain, FB. I look forward to trying it. He always cast them super hard, I think pure lino, mine are mostly COWW, he was worried about the gas system.

This is the one.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1010259935

[jimb16]

I've shot cast in more than 20 different carbines. I've used straight COWWs to hard alloys. Only one carbine caused any problems with cast and I believe it must have had a burr on the gas port. I never experienced any gas cylinder leading with any of the other carbines and that included an M2.
Larry, I'm surprised that you had disappointing results with the 311410. All of my carbines have been able to hold 4 inch or less at 100 yards with that bullet.

[Larry Gibson]

Yes, I could get that level of "accuracy" too.....down around 1400 - 1600 fps. That did not regulate to the sights and was a very poor rabbit/coyote killer. However, the 311359 at 1870 fps did regulate to the sights and when zeroed the sight setting could be used out to the max 300 yard setting. Accuracy was, as mentioned a lot better than I ever got with the 311410. But, like the 311410, the 311359 was also a poor killer on rabbits and coyote's. That's what led be to the 311316 (GC'd version of the 32-20 bullet, the 311008) and the 313631 GC'd 105 gr SWC for the 32 H&R Magnum. Both, when loaded to 30 Carbine velocity level regulate to the sight ranges and are deadly on rabbits and coyote's, especially when HP'd.

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[ShooterAZ]

I use the 311259 quite a bit, but I think my all time favorite 30M1 boolit is the RCBS 30-115-SP. My favorite powder is VV N110, although a little pricey it sure works well in the M1 Carbine.

[Wheelgun]

I use 2400 and Lil’Gun with very good results. I’ve used cast (Noe 311008, 314-115 swc, Arsenal RanchDog 313-115-rf), Rainier plated and jacketed all with good accuracy and function. In my particular m1 the Speer half-jackets seem to be more accurate with 2400 than Lil’Gun.

[Bmi48219]

For years IMR 4227, H110 when they started having grain size issues with 4227.

[Photog]

Like all the rest, I've used W296 and Alliant 2400, but I have also experimented with Power Pistol, and got it to cycle with a Lee C309-120 boolit. Warning: Power Pistol is too fast, in my opinion, for jacketed projectiles to cycle the action - but I have NOT tried it (too scared) as I would expect a pressure spike.
With the gas port pretty far from the chamber, small powder volume and light projectile your powder options are going to remain 1 (maybe 2) step from W296 in speed. heck out the data here: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?170413-Power-Pistol-and-110g-cast-in-M1-Carbine
when I plug in that load to QuickLoad, I have to bump it up .5 grains to get the measured velocity of 1750fps. It tells me that 7.5 grains of Power pistol yields 28600 psi at 1750fps, well below the 40000 max. QuickLoad tells me that when I change to a Hornady Jacketed soft point 110 projectile, the pressure goes up to 38000 psi with 7.5 grains of Power Pistol giving only 1830 fps, which is way to close to max pressure for me, and still under normal speed. Tells me I need about 28500 psi to cycle the action (at the chamber pressure). Quickload tells me that is 6.5 grains with the jacketed SP, at 1650fps. Since my field test showed that my lot of PP is more energetic than QL thinks it is, 6.0 grains would be enough to cycle the action.
Don't do this, this is my data only, cannot be verified, all the other warnings!!

[beagle]

Most of the powders recommended for the .30 Carbine are too bulky and you end up with compressed loads. I've found 2400 to be in that category but useable. WW296 and H110 work as well. If you can locate a jug of milsurp WC820, grab it. Shoots well in the carbine and should as it's from pulled down .30 Carbine Tracer ammo.
At one time, Lyman recommended 4759 in it but darned if I was ever able to get enough in the case for it to function and it left all kinds of unburned powder behind./beagle

[samari46]

I've used both 2400 and IMR 4227 in my carbine. Tried the fmj's and soft points but never saw any improvement. Then went on a mission for all the 110 grain or therabouts bullets I could find. Think it was either Speer who did the 110 grain varminter with the hollow point and the 100 grain SJ's or short jacketed bullet. The latter is about half bullet jacket and half lead. Anyway with reduced loads of both 2400 or IMR 4227 the 110 grain varminter showed an improvement right away. Maybe because it has more bearing surface. The 100 grain SJ's were tried but less accurate. But that exposed lead half of the bullet was deadly on anything made of wood. Even tried the Sierra 110 grain flat based hollow point. But less bearing surface than the 110 varminter bullet. Frank

[mozeppa]

h-110 was invented just for the M-1 carbine.

[Larry Gibson]

If considering jacketed bullets; my "go to" jacketed bullet for many years has been the Hornady 100 gr HJ loaded over H110 for 1950 fps out of my M1 Carbines. Always accurate and always deadly on game. The last few years, for SD [particularly around the home] I've found the 90 gr Hornady .308 XTP loaded over H110 to be excellent. Extremely accurate and very, very effective. Not obtrusive to many as a "black rifle" yet at SD distances just as effective. 100 yard group...….

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