Vintage German sporting rifle help

[hornsurgeon]

I have a beautiful German sporting rifle. I’ve been told it was a WWII bring back. It’s chambered in 30-06 and has a double set trigger. It has a nice short lever removable scope mount. The scope has the German post reticle. Can anyone here help give me any details on what I truly have? Is this a guild rifle? There’s no names or crests or anything. Any help would be greatly appreciated. (I can’t figure out how to embed pics, but the links are below.)

https://flic.kr/p/2ixjYZx
https://flic.kr/p/2ixnwH1
https://flic.kr/p/2ixoHSQ
https://flic.kr/p/2ixoJ1L
https://flic.kr/p/2ixjZv7
https://flic.kr/p/2ixjZw4
https://flic.kr/p/2ixoJnY
https://flic.kr/p/2ixoJu6
https://flic.kr/p/2ixnDes

[Markopolo]

wow.. I cant help you, but that is a beauty... and I love that scope. very nice setup... you are very fortunate!!!!

257453

perhaps this local pic will spark an interest for ya...

[Leoparddog]

Beautiful old Mauser. Have you taken it out of the stock? I've never seen one marked below the wood but I'd check anyway. You might also look under the buttplate

[hornsurgeon]

Yeah I’ve looked in the stock, under the butt plate, on the bottom of the barrel/action. Everywhere. There’s nothing

[NyFirefighter357]

I believe you have an Kettner Mauser 30-06

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/rifles-european-sporting/kettner-mauser-30-06.cfm?gun_id=101387184

http://www.germanhuntingguns.com/archives/kettner-eduard-franz/

[Texas by God]

Very nice. You need to name it.

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[hornsurgeon]

No sense in naming it as it will soon be looking for a new home. I just want all the correct details I can provide before I list it for sale anywhere.

[Texas by God]

Look under the scope mount. The Arsenal name should be there. Assuming it was built on a GEW 98- as most of the guild guns were.

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[hornsurgeon]

Here are the markings on it.
https://flic.kr/p/2ixHjb7
https://flic.kr/p/2ixHjnu
https://flic.kr/p/2ixHjKP
https://flic.kr/p/2ixELLE

[hornsurgeon]

Look under the scope mount. The Arsenal name should be there. Assuming it was built on a GEW 98- as most of the guild guns were.

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I did as you suggested. Looks like it’s a G. 24(t). Mr. Google told me that it’s a vz24 made 39-42 when Czechoslovakia was occupied by Germany.

[sharps4590]

First of all there is no such thing as a "guild gun". That is an American misnomer for a firearm made "for the trade".

The stampings on the action flat are factory mechanics stamps and as Axel Eichendorff always says, at this time and date they are unidentifiable. If there was/is no proofs on the bottom of the barrel then it did not undergo proof in Europe. It could be a "cigarette rifle" and the lack of proofs kind of leads me in that direction as does the very American 30-06 cartridge. After the war things were pretty tough in Germany and the proof houses were not up and running for a few years. GI's would go to a gunsmith and he would build them a rifle for a few cartons of very marketable cigarettes or other commodities.

I'm not saying the above is fact, simply that it is a very real possibility as there is no proofs nor a maker/retailer stamp on the barrel or elsewhere on the rifle. Whatever it is, it is not a "guild gun". After owning, working with and studying German firearms the last 12 or so years that is one term I have come to detest, no matter how accepted it might be in some circles..

[hornsurgeon]

Sharps4590 you seem to be fairly knowledgeable about these German rifles. Any ideas on the scope mount or scope? Or the value of the entire package?

[Texas by God]

All this time I thought these sporters were built by German gunsmiths belonging to a " Guild" from former military rifles. Live and learn I suppose. I've owned two- one 7x57mm and one 8x57. Very nice unmarked rifles except the serial number and arsenal name.

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[hornsurgeon]

Yeah I’m learning a lot about this rifle for sure.

[TheGrimReaper]

First of all there is no such thing as a "guild gun". That is an American misnomer for a firearm made "for the trade".

The stampings on the action flat are factory mechanics stamps and as Axel Eichendorff always says, at this time and date they are unidentifiable. If there was/is no proofs on the bottom of the barrel then it did not undergo proof in Europe. It could be a "cigarette rifle" and the lack of proofs kind of leads me in that direction as does the very American 30-06 cartridge. After the war things were pretty tough in Germany and the proof houses were not up and running for a few years. GI's would go to a gunsmith and he would build them a rifle for a few cartons of very marketable cigarettes or other commodities.

I'm not saying the above is fact, simply that it is a very real possibility as there is no proofs nor a maker/retailer stamp on the barrel or elsewhere on the rifle. Whatever it is, it is not a "guild gun". After owning, working with and studying German firearms the last 12 or so years that is one term I have come to detest, no matter how accepted it might be in some circles..
Very good
30-06 has me stumped too

[hornsurgeon]

Well, I’ve had a lot of people look at this rifle. But the most help came from Brad Simpson at Simpson’s collectibles in Galesburg Illinois. He helped confirmThat it is indeed a ”cigarette rifle”, manufactured most likely in 1949. The action is a G24(t) action made 1938-42. Scope is assembled from Hensoldt parts, scope mount is an improved German sniper scope design.