35 Whelen and 358 Win Cast data needed

[Ford SD]

35 Whelan Cast

Short story……… Looking for Data Cast

35 XCB Cast bullet aka 360-230-FN-AU1 wt 229g Data in the 35 Whelen
&
358 Winchester

Thanks Wayne
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Long Story

I have always Wanted a 35 Whelen since reading about it many years ago.
Many Years Later it is now going happen, It's almost a dream rifle for me …
One of those you look for, for years but can never find.

Barrel is on order. 1/16 twist. Dies I purchased the other day. Gas checks soon.

Ordered a Mould … Have heard good things about the 35 xcb.
Now called the 360-230-FN-AU1 wt 229g BC.2985.
Will also work in the 358 win .. wink wink

Because I want to shoot it lots and Jacketed bullets are $$.
In addition, I think that bullet is good enough to hunt with too.

The Problem is now it is 35 Whelen .. 30-06 necked up to 35 cal.
I have not found much data for cast bullets. At least in my weight range.

I think I have found 90% of the data for jacketed. If it can be found on the Internet, I probably found it and book marked it.

The 35 Whelen can also be a big shoulder thumper.
Shoulder pounding will be reduce also as rifle will be in the 9 plus lb. category

Thinking H 4895 ….. Been told the H is more temperature stable
Reduced H 4895 … with dacron …
Accurate 5744 Have data @ accurate for cast 204/250/280g


On top of that it is for a semi … By the Name of M1 Garand
So need it to work in a Semi that can be very Picky for powder selection,
Another reason for using H4895, its one of the go to powders for the M1 Garand

Thinking unique or 2400 or bullseye for cast pistol bullets …. Straight pull only

30-06 cases are going to be used, just neck sized up
50 Plus Federal cases have been annealed / sized (weight within 1g)
47 or so Rem cases have been annealed / sized (weight within 1g)

Now Looking for Cast reloading data for 35 Whelen in a M1 Garand

Thanks for your Help
Wayne

Going to be a spring/ summer Project
Update
Receiver is reparked and Barrel is finished reamed
260233

[Rcmaveric]

My dream rifle as well. I want to build it on the Savage action.

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[Ford SD]

My dream rifle as well. I want to build it on the Savage action.

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I also have a Savage long action was 30-06 now 243 .. could be 35 Whelen with a barrel change and a Boyds Stock
or a 358 Winchester.

[Norske]

I have the Lyman reloading manual and Lyman cast bullet handbook, and the Lee reloading manual. All top out with a 220 gr cast bullet in 358 Win or 35 Whelen.

[Silvercreek Farmer]

Use the 60% rule with H4895 and work up.

https://imrpowder.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/h4895-reduced-rifle-loads.pdf

[Silvercreek Farmer]

Are your pistol boolits gas checked or not?

[Ford SD]

Are your pistol boolits gas checked or not?

Are you thinking about the gas System? ... I never thought of that :(
.... using plane based bullets might cause leading of the gas system

No gas checks on the pistol bullets but do have some 158g Plated

have lyman 358311 Mould and a few wc .... that might lead up the gas system ....:( .... I can always buy another mould

For the med loads I think a pistol powder with the XCB 230g bullet will work, only 72 g heaver than a Heavy pistol bullet

Note
I have the Lyman Cast book # 4, the lyman 44, Speer # 11 , RCBS #1 and all most all of the yearly free powder hand-outs

There is not a lot of Data out there for a Semi

I shoot lots of Cast boolets in a 308 M1a clone

2020 is the year I shoot cast in the 30-06 and 35 whelen M1 Garand

The 35 whelen was on the wish list .... to make it even better is it is easy to find/ make brass for it.

Still looking for a 358 lever to add the the safe

[johnly]

The gas system for the Garand isn't self-metering, so too much gas port pressure can cause cause the op rod rod to bend.
With reduced cast bullet loads this is unlikely to be an issue even if slow powders are used for the cast bullet loads, as the peak operating pressure is lower.
If the fired cases are landing close to the rifle, you should be on the safe side for the gas port pressure.

[Ford SD]

Making 35 Whelen cases from 30-06 Brass

Doing some test cases, Just to find out if it could be done and how many would be ruined.
First stop was the discard bin. Most of the 30-06 brass in there was because it was from range pickups. Last year I purchase over 1000 once fired brass, took about a week off and on sort clean, sort some more and just bag it by head stamp.

If it was ugly looking after 4-5 hours in the tumbler with some crushed walnut, it ended up in a box to make dummy rounds, or in the scrap bucket.

1st pc with a 359 neck expanding and lots of lube .. Neck came out off set and the mouth is slanted. # 2 neck also came out off set and slanted, # 3 the same. RCBS sizing lube is what works for me, the shake and lube method in a plastic bag.

So need to anneal the brass. To to do it right need the brass to be in the same weight range.

Weight sort through bags of brass, on the digital scale, find and double check weight.
Then anneal and drop in a bucket of water, Drain and toss in the tumbler to dry them off

Sizing dies that I have for the 35 Whelen are Hornady, it has a nice tapered expanding ball, extra case lube on a brush for inside the neck of the 30-06 brass, and move the handle and out comes a 35 Whelen case. 2-3 % of the cases ended up with split necks,
Not too bad considering the amount you have to change the size of the brass.
It was easy compared to the time I tried to convert 308 to 243, only did 2 of those cases and never use them.

Water wash the lube off and another trip to the tumbler to dry for 30 min, 35 Whelen brass ready to prime and load. :)

Brass is just a bit short, will see after 1-2 firings during the Summer.

[Dinny]

I like H4895 and would start down around 60% of book max loads for jacketed bullets and work your way up until you find the sweet spot of accuracy, pressure, and action cycling.

Thanks, Dinny

[JWFilips]

If you like Light loads ( Low Node ) for target shooting 6.0 Gr Bullseye with the RCBS 200 grain Probably 1150 fps very accurate in my 358 Win JES rebore Vanguard! one hole groups at 50 Yards

.359 sized PC coated bullet

[cwlongshot]

If you like Light loads ( Low Node ) very accurate in my 358 Win JES rebore Vanguard! one hole groups at 50 Yards sized .310 sized PC coated bullet

Very impressive. Never could get good accuracy from a 308 in my 358 personally. ;)

CW

[JWFilips]

Well when you are old and your body can't take too much pounding you learn to shoot accurate light loads from the bench! Some of my best accurate loads with all my rifles , even the 243 win are subsonic! Actually my 243 Win Ruger 77 shoots the NOE 105 @ 900 FPS usually in one ragged hole at 50 yds

[JWFilips]

My Bad! Fixed that mistake

[Norske]

My 358 Browning BLR shoots every bullet I've tried accurately if I use IMR 3031 powder. No other powder works as well with any bullet.
According to the Western Powders loading manual, it's the volume of gas that bends Garand operating rods. Therefore never use slow powders like either Hodgdon or IMR 4350. The rifle was designed around IMR 4895.

[cwlongshot]

My Bad! Fixed that mistake. I was only fun in. Hope ya took as such. :drinks:

I am a recent convert to TAC in the 358 under 225 SGK. Great velocity and moa accuracy so far!!

CW

[nicholst55]

The Redding .35 Whelen FL sizing die has a tapered expander, and works well for forming brass. I apply Imperial sizing wax to the case mouth, and go from there. I have found that starting with either .270 Win or .280 Rem brass yields a finished case much closer to the desired length than a .30-06 case does. Unfortunately, that brass is much less common than .30-06. The Redding expander is designed to work with any case 7mm/.284" on up, so you will lose a few pieces of .270 brass if you start with that, until you learn to hold your mouth just right. You can expand the .270 brass to 7mm and then expand it to .358, but that's an extra step.

[Norske]

I used to live next to a 35 Whelen fan. His powder of choice was Alliant Reloader 15. Published data at the time had a significant velocity advantage with that powder.

[Ford SD]

up dated post 1 with a picture

[cwlongshot]

I used to live next to a 35 Whelen fan. His powder of choice was Alliant Reloader 15. Published data at the time had a significant velocity advantage with that powder.
Agreed!! RL15 is about perfect as a powder could be for a caliber.