Do I really NEED a 10mm to hunt with?

[WinchesterM1]

So I have 5 1911s all in 45 acp of course. I have a Glock 21 with a 460 Rowland barrel and a 400 Corbon barrel, I have a Ruger SBH in 45 colt,44 Mag and 357 mag (I also have Rossi lever guns in those calibers too)

I have probably another 30-40 assorted pistols in all calibers.

BUT I was watching Razor Dobbs on YouTube and he hunts with a dan Wesson 10mm and I have to say it is very impressive! I have gathered probably 1-2k of 10mm brass through the years but I do not own a 10mm!! And now I want one really bad. But the question is do I NEED one to hunt with?(I’m a big handgun hunter) I really like the look of the Rockisland tactical long slide.

So what do Y’all think? Do I NEED a 10mm in a 1911 frame? I want to keep it an all steel gun in around the $6-700 range and before you ask no I don’t want a Kimber I have already wasted my money on 2 of them (one being a a grand raptor 2)

So do I REALLY need another 1911 in 10mm? No but do I want one YES!

What do you think? Is it really worth it over a 40sw?(which I have 3 of) is the 200fps more worth it?
Thanks for your input

[Tyguy95]

Need? no, should you get one anyway? Yes. I've got the RIA double stack match tac and love it. Comfortable for guys with big hands, not too much recoil, and functions flawlessly.

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[osteodoc08]

To be clear, this isn’t about need, but......

You gotta do what flips your switch.

If you’re ok with stepping out of the 1911 genre, there are many worthy 10mm pistols and revolvers for your consideration.

One of my favorites I own is the Sig P220 Hunter SAO in 10mm. It’s a dandy and shoots better than I do. I think a hunting revolver in 10mm would be really cool.

In the end, it’s about what you want. Perhaps selling a few of the pistols you don’t shoot will allow you to expand your budget a bit? That really opens a lot of doors.

[Rattlesnake Charlie]

The 10mm can handle heavier bullets that many prefer for big game and hogs. My 10mm is an EAA Witness, all steel. Love it. Do I need it with several .45 ACPs, .40 S&Ws, .45 Colt, .44 mag and others? No, but I like it. You're already bitten. Just do it.

[lefty o]

no, you dont need it. however, need has very little to do with gun hoarding.

[WinchesterM1]

Need? no, should you get one anyway? Yes. I've got the RIA double stack match tac and love it. Comfortable for guys with big hands, not too much recoil, and functions flawlessly.

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How big is the frame compared to the Glock large frames? Do you know I’m a big big (6’3” 270 lbs) but I don’t like Large pistols I have two desert eagles one in 50ae and one in 429ae and they are huge. The 1911 frame is about perfect for me!

[WinchesterM1]

To be clear, this isn’t about need, but......

You gotta do what flips your switch.

If you’re ok with stepping out of the 1911 genre, there are many worthy 10mm pistols and revolvers for your consideration.

One of my favorites I own is the Sig P220 Hunter SAO in 10mm. It’s a dandy and shoots better than I do. I think a hunting revolver in 10mm would be really cool.

In the end, it’s about what you want. Perhaps selling a few of the pistols you don’t shoot will allow you to expand your budget a bit? That really opens a lot of doors.

If I sold some pistols then I wouldn’t have them anymore!! Lol I have thought about finding a used Sig I have never owned a Sig before but I have shot dozens and they all seem to shoot great!

[mebudman63]

Well you have to look at it this way (maybe). What are you going to do with a 10mm? Are you really going to hunt with it or is it just going to be for punching paper and to look pretty? I have for years wanted a 460 S&W Mag with a 5" barrel but what can you do with that in Texas? Scare people at the Gun Range? About 9 months ago I bought close to that in a 450 Bushmaster. has close to the same ballistics, tears up the hogs here. And is a blast to shoot.

Good luck in your dilemma......

[Tyguy95]

How big is the frame compared to the Glock large frames? Do you know I’m a big big (6’3” 270 lbs) but I don’t like Large pistols I have two desert eagles one in 50ae and one in 429ae and they are huge. The 1911 frame is about perfect for me!Honestly couldn't compare to LG frame glock, never cared to handle one. It is on the heavier side but when you have 14+1 In a full metal pistol it goes without being said. It is smaller than a Desert eagle but is definitely not a ccw pistol.

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[725]

10mm is a great hunter. Go for it.

[kingrj]

There is certainly nothing wrong with wanting a 10mm auto but you don't NEED one to hunt with. You can have slightly more performance by simply shooting .45 Super in your existing .45 autos. Now you will hear all kind of advice about upping the recoil spring to 28-30 pounds and installing a non beveled firing pin stop and such but a stock 1911 will NOT blow up shooting super rounds. I have a Smith and Wesson 4506 that is basically stock with an 18# recoil spring that shoots Super just fine. Will shooting super in your 1911 batter the gun more than .45 acp? Absolutely but if you only fire a few sighting rounds per year before hunting season it is not going to be a problem. It is quite easy to get a 255 grain rounded flatnose cast bullet to 1030 fps with .45 Super and there you have the equivalent of an energetic .45 Long Colt loading in a trim auto platform. The myth of the big recoil springs is not supported by physics in converting to Super. The majority of the recoil management and timing of a semi auto handgun is due to the mass of the barrel and slide combo and not the recoil spring. The recoil speed of the slide is simply the momentum divided by the mass of the slide and subtract out the energy absorbed by the recoil spring. That energy is simply E=k(x*x) where k is the spring constant and x is the length of compression. You will see that the recoil spring plays a very small part in the final slide velocity prior to hitting the stop. Good luck! But..none of this is a reason NOT to buy a new gun! :-)

[ReloaderFred]

Actually, you do need a 10mm handgun. You have all that brass taking up space, so you really need to put it to use. (I've bought more than one firearm because I had the brass).

I've got 10mm's in Witnesses, both standard and compact, Colt Delta Elite, S&W Model 610 revolver, Springfield XDm and a 10mm AR Carbine. Did I "need" any of them? Probably not, but I wanted them, so I bought them. You only get one trip through life, so you may as well fill those little voids while you can.

Hope this helps.

Fred

[robbyPGP2014]

Need should be a relative term.10mm auto is my favorite semi auto cartridge(RIA double stack,1 of the 1st Kimbers available and also a S&W610). Might even sometime in the near future need another one.

[WinchesterM1]

So what can a 10mm do that my 400 Corbon can’t do?

[ReloaderFred]

So what can a 10mm do that my 400 Corbon can’t do?

I have both 10mm and .400 Cor-Bon handguns. The .400 Cor-Bon is pretty much limited to 165 gr. bullets, whereas the 10mm can load up to 220 gr. bullets. I limit my 10mm to 200 gr. for my use, but most of my loading in this caliber is actually with 180 gr. bullets, since they're the most common in .400" diameter, and you can get a lot of good deals on JHP in this weight.

In the 1911 platform, you also gain another round or two in the magazine. It doesn't sound like much, until you need that "just one more round"...

My Witnesses and XDm are all double stack, and there's nothing wrong with having 16+ rounds of 10mm ammunition in a handgun that's ergonomically almost perfect.

Hope this helps.

Fred

[onelight]

You absolutely do , how can any decent boolit shooter have 2000 cases and no gun to go with them:guntootsmiley:

[marlin39a]

I have 1911 pistols in 45, 38 Super, and 9mm. But wanted a 10mm. After much research, I went with the SA TRP, with 6" Heavy barrel. It shoots cast great. When in the back country I pack it in a Hill People chest rig. No regrets here.

[tigweldit]

Yes, you do need a 10MM. If you have to ask that question to this group of enablers, then you already knew what the answer would be. As onelight points out, you already have the brass. So all you need are dies, molds,boolets(bullets), correct powder and primers. And,of course,a new pistol. I have been shooting a 10MM for over 25 years. If I can't use one of my .41 mags, the 10MM is a great compromise.

[WinchesterM1]

Yes, you do need a 10MM. If you have to ask that question to this group of enablers, then you already knew what the answer would be. As onelight points out, you already have the brass. So all you need are dies, molds,boolets(bullets), correct powder and primers. And,of course,a new pistol. I have been shooting a 10MM for over 25 years. If I can't use one of my .41 mags, the 10MM is a great compromise.


Here is the kicker.... I have brass bullets and Boolits, molds, primers and dies... I just a pistol. Just trying to decide what I want to buy

[flint45]

It's good for the economy so yes get one. But I like .44 mag and .45 colt way better my .45 colt blackhawk with handloads that are hot but safe relly put down big old pigs.

[charlie b]

If you are a big handgun hunter then you already know the answer. No. You don't need it. Do you want it? Yes.

[MrWolf]

I like my SA Xdm 10mm. Fits my hand great but I don't have big paws.

[MT Chambers]

I'd rather not bother with the headspace at case mouth/ taper crimp/bullet pushing down into case......or revolver use with similar problems when not using a rimmed case. I'd get a .41 Mag. in a nice d/a or s/a revolver.

[WinchesterM1]

I like my SA Xdm 10mm. Fits my hand great but I don't have big paws.

I am worried about the polymer frame, my Glock 21 has already loosened up ALOT since I’ve been shooting my 460 Rowland even with a 28lb recoil spring

[Bigslug]

Got to say "no".

I went through the 10mm infatuation with a Glock 20 in the early '90's - well before I knew that a DA revolver was something that can be shot with exceptional accuracy.

Along the road I learned that a .45ACP 1911 can be loaded with cast and it can penetrate A LOT with a flat point solid, and it's a lot faster back on target than the same platform with a full-tilt 10mm.

If I want handgun horsepower, there's .357's, .44's, and .45C.

If I want distance. . .rifles.

[Lloyd Smale]

when has need counted???

[Hickory]

Looking at your NEED from a purely logical stand point, I would say no! You don't need a 10mm handgun!
However, if you have a thousand rounds of 10 mm ammo lying around and no gun to shoot them in, then you would have a need.

[MrWolf]

I am worried about the polymer frame, my Glock 21 has already loosened up ALOT since I’ve been shooting my 460 Rowland even with a 28lb recoil spring

I have never shot a Glock but wouldn't that be covered under warranty? I believe Springfield Armoury has a lifetime warranty for the original purchaser of the firearm.

[rintinglen]

I am no fan of the 10, but my brother has an FBI style S&W that could easily change my mind. I will say the recoil is more noticeable than my 45 ACPs, but I am a bit bunged up and old now, so I notice things like that more than I used to. 200 rounds of 45’s wears me down about the same as half as many 10’s. You maybe younger and more studly than I, if so, go for it.

[Petander]

Yes,want is need enough!

I had a S&W 1006 for 15 years or so. Ten is fun.

[WinchesterM1]

Well I stopped by the LGS and got me a 10mm...... now what? It was “used” but has less than 50 rounds through it I bet. I got it for $625 about the same price as some of the newer glocks

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Now can you shoot 40sw through a 10mm or is that a myth

[onelight]

Very nice !
I have seen 40 fired in a ten that seemed to do fine with it.

[robbyPGP2014]

Congrats very nice looking Ihope you enjoy.As onlight stated some people have been guilty of firing 40s&w inter 10mm,s. I have done this several times out of curiosity and it works fairly well, but Isuspect that it might be hard on the extractors. Hope this helps.PRETTY SURE IT IS NOT APPROVED OF !!!

[sparkyv]

Yes, you NEED a 10mm 1911, else what are you to do with 1,000 to 2,000 10mm cases? :kidding:
I suggest you have a look-see at the Ruger SR1911 as it fits your criteria.

[Edit: I didn't read down far enough. Hope that Kimber works out!]

[osteodoc08]

Well I stopped by the LGS and got me a 10mm...... now what? It was “used” but has less than 50 rounds through it I bet. I got it for $625 about the same price as some of the newer glocks

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Now can you shoot 40sw through a 10mm or is that a myth

Now that’s a deal. I’d of bought it too.

40 in a 10mm. Seeing how the cartridge headspaces off the case mouth, you’re not supposed to. Many do so in the Glock platform. The ejector holds the cartridge in place enough to fire and function. It’s your fingers and hand. Not mine.

[poppy42]

Who cares whether or not you need one. Seriously, need makes no difference. If you want one, can afford one, not selling your firstborn to get it, go out and get it ! Buy your own admission you on several handguns . I’m sure you don’t use most of them on a daily basis . So if you buy a 10 mm and it doesn’t turn out to be the hunting jewel you would like at least you got one. And if by some small chance it turns out you really dislike the gun and feel bad about purchasing it you can always send it to me and I’ll put it to good use .:mrgreen:

[WinchesterM1]

Okay I shot it for the first time this evening!! Wow it shoots awesome I’m glad I shot this over a Glock!

Using the lee 401-175TC over 8.5 grn of 800x I was getting right at 1200fps and at 15 yards or so I was getting 2-3” 9 round groups (off hand)not bad for the first time firing this gun or even a 10mm in general!! With some load development and more practice I can shrink that in half I bet

[Norske]

To paraphrase Tina Turner, What's need got to do with it?

[shooting on a shoestring]

Good for you!
Not a bad start. Yep it’ll get better!
That Lee 175 Truncated Cone is a good boolit for 10. I used it a good bit, but I bought Accurate 40-165A for a better fit in my 40s and found I liked it better in 10 also.
I’m using mostly Blue Dot loads and cruise that 165 boolit in the mid 1300s out of a Ruger SR1911. It gives pretty much 357 Mag performance in a 1911...including the satisfying muzzle blast! I also use a case full of WC820 to get just over 1200. Burns clean and it’ll hold 3-4” at 25 yards in my hands.

I keep some Sierra 165 gr HPs loaded over Blue Dot that also get in the 1300s for uninvited guests. Based on water jugs tests, that’ll be enough.

Enjoy your new caliber. There’s some exploring to do!

[skrapyard628]

Now can you shoot 40sw through a 10mm or is that a myth

Yes and no. That should clear things up!

The cartridge would be headspacing off of the extractor. Which isnt too much of an issue because most brass for auto-loaders is usually a little shorter than the chamber anyway. Which means that most of the time the cartridge is somewhat headspacing off of the extractor anyway. In other words the cartridge case mouth isnt necessarily what is holding the cartridge in place for headspacing.

The issue with .40 out of a 10mm is when a cartridge accidentally slips in front of the extractor. If the firing pin is long enough to actually hit the primer and light it off in this scenario the cartridge is going to get pushed backwards and slam into the extractor. That could cause some damage to the gun.

10mm glocks dont have an issue firing .40 because the firing pin can not reach the primer if a round slips in front of the extractor.

[marek313]

in my 10mm RIA i've shot more 40s then anything else. Why didnt I just get a 40 as I'm sure many will ask. Because I got a great and I mean great deal on my RIA 10mm that I couldnt say no to. I know I can crack my extractor do damage to my gun but so far I have had no problems there. I load my 40s long so they dont have to "jump" as much in this long chamber. If I had to do it over again I would still get a 10mm. I like shooting stout 10s but you just cant do that all day so 40s are great for plinking.

[dverna]

If you are a big handgun hunter then you already know the answer. No. You don't need it. Do you want it? Yes.

Did not read any farther. Charlie is no dummy.

Anyone that already has over 20 pistols who "needs" another is like the drunk who needs another drink. It is an addiction but, in this case, a good one. It does not harm anyone.

[MrWolf]

Can always fall back on the old it's an investment if you need to justify it. Luckily I don't have to justify anything to anyone anymore. Just look at my credit card bills from last month. Ouch. But I did get a lot of things I always wanted.

[dk17hmr]

I have a Glock 20 in the safe that I rarely shoot. I have a couple boxes of hollow points and a couple boxes of really hot heat treated hard cast loads. I rarely shoot it but am extremely glad to have it. I carry it in the mountains when I'm packing meat it has also accounted for one antelope.

I went with the Glock over a 1911 based solely on mag capacity.

[Texas by God]

If Razor Dobbs has one you need one as well! He cracks me up but he is capable for sure- just like Uncle Ted. However if I had to sit and listen to them talk for ten minutes I might have to borrow one of their 10mms......[emoji849]

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[bisleyfan41]

and before you ask no I don’t want a Kimber I have already wasted my money on 2 of them (one being a a grand raptor 2)

So your opinion of Kimber changed, huh?

[TheGrimReaper]

Well I stopped by the LGS and got me a 10mm...... now what? It was “used” but has less than 50 rounds through it I bet. I got it for $625 about the same price as some of the newer glocks

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Now can you shoot 40sw through a 10mm or is that a myth

Very nice pistol!

[44Blam]

I shoot a lot of 40 and a lot of 10mm.
My 40 load is about 900 fps with a 180 grain (actual 175) boolit under a 7.9 grain aa7 load. Super easy to shoot and hits targets pretty solidly.
My 10mm load is about 1275 fps with a 188 grain boolit under 13.1 grain of aa9. It hits HARD and kicks.

So you aren't going up 200 fps, your going up about 400 fps... And you are going from subsonic to supersonic.

[WinchesterM1]

So what would you all recommend for a nice shooting load for this thing? I’ve never loaded the first 10mm and my 40sw loaf is 3.8 of flags under the lee 175 PCed

[Boolseye]

Now can you shoot 40sw through a 10mm or is that a myth
Nice gun. I wouldn't, just load 10s light if you want to for plinkers.

So what would you all recommend for a nice shooting load for this thing? I load 7.5 gr. 800x or 10.6 gr. AA #9 under a NOE 403-198 WFN. Any higher and I start to get cratered primers and the brass flying about 20' out of my Xdm. I am loading to 1.240"+/- and using the Lee FCD and bulge buster to iron everything out. These are both book loads, but don't take my word for it. Very accurate and quite snappy. That Lee 175 should also work well for your new Kimber, with slightly higher charges.

[DanishM1Garand]

So what can a 10mm do that my 400 Corbon can’t do?

Hunt deer legally in Ohio.

[WinchesterM1]

Hunt deer legally in Ohio.

Yes true lucky I’m right on the boarder, the Ohio river is 4 miles north of my house