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smithnframe
12-10-2019, 08:56 AM
I have an old Ideal mould in my collection that I can't find in any of the old catalogs. It's a spitzer bullet with a gas check only.......no lube grooves. I've cast bullets with it but I haven't shot any yet. I can text pics to anyone who can help identifying this mould. Thanks!

kungfustyle
12-10-2019, 09:39 AM
Thought paper patch until the gas check. How long have you had it? Maybe someone took the lub groves out for powder coating but then that would have to be within the last five years or so.

smithnframe
12-10-2019, 09:55 AM
I've had it for over 40 years.

OS OK
12-10-2019, 10:16 AM
check this reference here, see if it's there?

http://ps-2.kev009.com/ohlandl/Cast_Bullet/Ideal-Lyman_Molds/Ideal-Lyman_Mold_Descriptions.html#357_358_mold

Scroll up . . . I dunoh why this link goes to this part of the list?

smithnframe
12-10-2019, 08:56 PM
check this reference here, see if it's there?

http://ps-2.kev009.com/ohlandl/Cast_Bullet/Ideal-Lyman_Molds/Ideal-Lyman_Mold_Descriptions.html#357_358_mold

Scroll up . . . I dunoh why this link goes to this part of the list?
It's not there!

smithnframe
12-12-2019, 07:24 AM
If anyone is interested or can help identify this mould I can text pics. PM me!

OS OK
12-12-2019, 10:19 PM
Here are the pictures that smithnframe couldn't upload to this post...

https://i.imgur.com/ofryeZD.jpg https://i.imgur.com/3DA2aB0.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/GNRwYE2.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/W3ABgdO.jpg https://i.imgur.com/UIfqgYc.jpg

smithnframe
12-12-2019, 10:34 PM
Thanks Charlie!

3006guns
12-13-2019, 09:03 AM
Lyman used to make special molds to customer specifications and that's the only thing I can think of. No matter how well (or badly) the design was, they'd mill it if you paid for it.

smithnframe
12-13-2019, 09:13 PM
Lyman used to make special molds to customer specifications and that's the only thing I can think of. No matter how well (or badly) the design was, they'd mill it if you paid for it.

I guess Ideal did the same thing?

kavemankel
12-14-2019, 10:58 PM
That would be a great bullet if gas checked and powder coated. it has a great profile for a match bullet

Krag1902
12-21-2019, 09:39 AM
That's a one-piece ideal mold that has been re-cut for what ever reason. It may have the original mold number on the sprue plate.

Hamish
12-21-2019, 12:41 PM
I would almost swear I can see where the lube groove was in the pics.

StratsMan
12-23-2019, 12:01 AM
I've had it for over 40 years.

That's gotta be some kind of record right there... having a mold for that long but never shot a bullet from it... <<whew>>

However it got to be in that shape, I think it's beautiful... but if it has looked like that for 40+ years, then my money says somebody converted a mold for paper patching and didn't bother to remove the gas check... or wanted to keep the option of using a check with their paper patches...

smithnframe
12-23-2019, 08:32 AM
That's a one-piece ideal mold that has been re-cut for what ever reason. It may have the original mold number on the sprue plate.

No number on the sprue plate!

swheeler
01-01-2020, 01:44 AM
I would almost swear I can see where the lube groove was in the pics.

I can see it too, lower left picture especially lower block

Then the .308 165 survived SO NICE AND CLEAR, but look at any other lettering on the mold:-)
Look at very top left picture, right above the 308 165, looks like ###217? maybe 219? been peened out


I think it is recut from a different -smaller mold? Not looking for a fight here just saying>>>>>>>>lots questions?

smithnframe
01-01-2020, 09:55 AM
I can see it too.

You guys must have better vision than me.......!!! I have it right in front of me and I don't see anything!

smithnframe
01-01-2020, 09:58 AM
That's gotta be some kind of record right there... having a mold for that long but never shot a bullet from it... <<whew>>

However it got to be in that shape, I think it's beautiful... but if it has looked like that for 40+ years, then my money says somebody converted a mold for paper patching and didn't bother to remove the gas check... or wanted to keep the option of using a check with their paper patches...

I've cast bullets and installed gas checks and handload some 7.5x55 Swiss ammo but traded the gun before getting a chance to try them out!

abunaitoo
01-01-2020, 03:51 PM
Interesting.
Maybe a time traveler went back to have it made, found it didn't work, went back to return it and couldn't.
Decided to just sell it because he had other stuff he brought back, and didn't have enough room.

smithnframe
04-18-2020, 09:07 PM
Brassmagnet traded me out of this mould!

RedlegEd
04-18-2020, 09:35 PM
Hi Smithnframe,
I'll bet that would work wonderfully with HiTek coating. It's much thinner than Powder Coating and stands up just as well. As others have said, it has a beautiful profile. Buut if I read your previous post correctly, you no longer have it?
Ed

John Boy
04-19-2020, 01:13 PM
Note: or Leopold point as requested. Same will cast of various weights

31142 Illustration of bullet from cylindrical mould. They are cast smooth for patching. Mould will be made for casting round, flat, or Leopold point as requested. Same will cast bullets of various weights. OK for .303 Savage and .303 British

smithnframe
04-19-2020, 02:45 PM
Hi Smithnframe,
I'll bet that would work wonderfully with HiTek coating. It's much thinner than Powder Coating and stands up just as well. As others have said, it has a beautiful profile. Buut if I read your previous post correctly, you no longer have it?
Ed

Yeah.......Brassmagnet in Colorado has it now!

Martin Luber
04-19-2020, 03:24 PM
That point is too close to the mould floor, l doubt the factory would have done that.

I can almost read other numbers like 272 so there's 2 votes for a remachined block.

Also one piece blocks and handles were pretty early , would that date match a krag or 1903? Not likely available to the public then