Is my 1897 pump a takedown model?

[Kev18]

I just bought this a few hours ago. I've been thinking about it since the last gun show... So i came home with it today. It's a 16 gauge trap, model, deluxe wood. I just need to know if it's take down also? I paid alot for it!
Note that it's missing the pin in the mag tube. There's a hole right through the end of it.
Mag tube rotates by hand but the gun doesn't fall apart when I pull the pump forward. Il try posting pictures from my phone...
http://imgur.com/a/qPvQ4a1

[tim338]

Yes it's a take down. It should come apart just like a model 12

[Kev18]

I looked at videos. I twist the tube, but when I try to pull, nothing moves...

[pietro]

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https://marauder.homestead.com/files/Model97down.html

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[Drm50]

97s and 12s can be rough to get apart after years of use with never being broke down. I have one that is a very late gun and near mint shape. Mag tube turned and freed but I couldn't budge barrel unit. I ended up giving it
several shots of PB blaster over a few days and finally was able to rotate it 1/4 turn and remove it. The guns that have been apart a lot are usually easy to get apart. I would apply some penetrating oil at reciever and reciever extension point and let it set, repeat if it doesn't come loose, and a little where mag tube enters reciever extension. I can't see pic off gun to say anything further.

[Kev18]

I pull as hard as I can on the damn mag tube and nothing happens. It looks like the gun has never been taken apart. It doesn't have any scratches on the barrel from the mag tube bracket or anything.

[Hogtamer]

Read drm50 post.

[Texas by God]

Unless its Very dirty - or broken, dont take it apart. I only took down my 97 once in 20 years just to see if I could. It wasn't worth the effort. Sounds like yours is tight and tight is good. 97s are cool old machines.

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[Kev18]

Unless its Very dirty - or broken, dont take it apart. I only took down my 97 once in 20 years just to see if I could. It wasn't worth the effort. Sounds like yours is tight and tight is good. 97s are cool old machines.

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I just want to see it broken apart. I paid for the gun, i want to use every feature. I might never take it apart again, but atleast once would be nice. I blasted it with penetrating oil yesterday but it only rotates. Doesn't want to slide out. Maybe after a few shots it will move more...

[indian joe]

I just bought this a few hours ago. I've been thinking about it since the last gun show... So i came home with it today. It's a 16 gauge trap, model, deluxe wood. I just need to know if it's take down also? I paid alot for it!
Note that it's missing the pin in the mag tube. There's a hole right through the end of it.
Mag tube rotates by hand but the gun doesn't fall apart when I pull the pump forward. Il try posting pictures from my phone...
http://imgur.com/a/qPvQ4a1

Kev
I know nothing about this gun but your picture shows a little button back where receiver and barrel assembly joins, that would be a locking button? Needs the magazine clear (screwed out?) but good chance that lock button is holding us the works? I am assuming from how TD rifles work that you twist the barrel assembly to get it apart
just a bunch of wild a$$ guesses on my part

[square butte]

You should be able to get the tube forward after it is rotated by sliding the forend forward - Push it forward just like you are closing the action - it will go quite a bit farther forward than just closing thi action. This forces the mag tube forward so the front end assembly can be rotated the 90 degrees to remove it from the action.

[KCSO]

Or if the pin is missing some one glued the tube in place! Seen it more than once.

[sparky45]

Had to use a heat gun on my mag tube to get it loose.

[Texas by God]

The little catch on the side has to do with headspace adjustment. The mag tube has interrupted threads. Your missing mag tube lever would turn the tube 90 degrees for removal.

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[Kev18]

The little catch on the side has to do with headspace adjustment. The mag tube has interrupted threads. Your missing mag tube lever would turn the tube 90 degrees for removal.

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I turn it fine with a screw driver. I can even turn it by hand. It feels free. It just doesn't slide out

[Deadeye Bly]

The magazine tube has interrupted threads also. It has to be in the right position to slide forward. looking from the front, the hole for the pin should be aligned to the right of the barrel. Turn it so it aligns to the left of the barrel and it should slide forward. Once it slides forward turn the barrel counterclockwise to remove it. Both the magazine tube and barrel threads are right hand threads.

[Kev18]

My tube doesn't want to pull out :(

[Kev18]

This is how I got the gun. The hole in the tube faces right and downwards.
https://i.imgur.com/5rLIPS5.jpg

The I put a screwdriver in it, and twist it counter clockwise.
https://i.imgur.com/HelLBCg.jpg

I push the pump forward as much as possible but nothing happens.
https://i.imgur.com/1Kvafjg.jpg

There she is...
https://i.imgur.com/eyNMAh7.jpg

[Texas by God]

Try prying forward while turning the tube with a close fitting round Phillips screwdriver in the hole. It's independent from the pump handle.

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[Deadeye Bly]

You must pull the tube out before you can get the pump handle to move forward. As Texas by God says they are independent of each other.

[Kev18]

Try prying forward while turning the tube with a close fitting round Phillips screwdriver in the hole. It's independent from the pump handle.

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Thats exactly what im doing. im prying and twisting and turning all at the same time.

[Steppenwolf]

Here is my wee trap grade take-down.249400

[Texas by God]

This might help. Good luck.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191008/0efe421a7cb237988a2e9d0cdc2249b1.jpg

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[EMC45]

This might help. Good luck.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191008/0efe421a7cb237988a2e9d0cdc2249b1.jpg

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I had to buy this book about 20+ years ago to figure out how to take down my 1897 16ga.

[skeettx]

Watching
Mike

[Deadeye Bly]

Did you ever get that thing apart? We would all like to know.

[Kev18]

Did you ever get that thing apart? We would all like to know.

Nope. I shot it abit yesterday tho. Maybe it will work better now. Does the little pin inside that im missing do anything? DOes it activate a little latch or lever to unlock the mag tube?

[Deadeye Bly]

It is in a way a lock. It prevents the mag tube from turning when it is pushed out on the left side of the barrel looking from the rear. You push it and and turn it so the end of the pin passes under the barrel to about the same position on the other side of the barrel. This puts the interrupted threads of the mag tube in position to slide the magazine forward. As noted the tube acts independently of the pump handle. There is no other latch or unlocking mechanism.

[Drm50]

One thing about 97s, 12s and other milled parts guns. There is no part in them that needs to be forced. They can be gunked up, gualded from Babba forcing things or rusted. After you have been through all this and the mag tube pin is missing. I would start looking hard at the possibility that some type of glue or epoxy was put in mag threads. The mag tube is separate component and is independent from pump assembly. My next step would be put gun Muzzel down and inspect tube where it enters action and check for signs of glues. I find that a scant chance because you say tube is rotating. Vexing, has to be something blocking tube from coming foreward and it would have to be something on inby end. The only off the wall thing I can think of is edge of tube may have slight deformation from someone digging out a jam. Slight enought to allow feed but enough to stop it from coming foreward. I'm sure I could have it apart in 5 minutes.

[nekshot]

I totally get your desire to take it apart, but a gun that is together and tight is a very good thing. I have a fair amount of experience from model 12's and if that is all it gives you I personally would leave it alone and shoot it.

[square butte]

How about a little gentle heat from a hair dryer ? ?

[Kev18]

How about a little gentle heat from a hair dryer ? ?

Maybe that could help. I doubt theres glue. I rotates fine. Just has 0 forward play.