Carry Permits...

[BCB]

Not sure where to put this question, but I'll start here...


I’m planning a trip to a few states. I live in Pennsylvania and all of the states, except one, accept the Carry Permit from PA…

The state of concern is Illinois. Any Illinois residence who might know this question?

Is there any way I can put the handgun someplace in my truck—say the tool box in the bed—and cross that state without the handgun immediately accessible from my console…

My local authorities say I can do this, BUT I question this to a certain degree…

Would there be any agency in Illinois I could contact concerning this?

Thanks...BCB

[Petrol & Powder]

I'm not am Illinois resident but here's what I found:

" It is illegal to carry a loaded handgun in a vehicle without a permit/license. The statute does not apply however to the transportation of firearms that are:
1) broken down in a non-functioning state;
2) not immediately accessible; or
3) unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person with a currently valid Firearm Owner’s Identification card.

A person who is issued a valid concealed carry license is permitted to keep or carry a loaded or unloaded concealed handgun on or about his or her person within a vehicle.

There is another separate law for Non-Residents
A non-resident may transport a loaded concealed handgun in a vehicle if they have a valid CCW permit in their home state. They cannot under any circumstances remove the firearm from the vehicle. If they need to exit the vehicle they must lock it or place the firearm in a locked container."

source:
https://www.gunstocarry.com/gun-laws-state/illinois-gun-laws/#il-laws

and here's the actual law:
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/documents/043000660K40.htm

[tazman]

Petrol & Powder is entirely correct on all counts as I understand the law here in Illinois.

[LUCKYDAWG13]

Petrol & powder is 100% right but remember this ( A person who is issued a valid concealed carry license is permitted to keep or carry a loaded or unloaded concealed handgun on or about his or her person within a vehicle. KEEP in your car

[BCB]

Thanks, but this is where it gets "sticky"...

The attachment shows the states that accept PA permits--Illinois is a red state on the map and does not--yet, the regulations as stated by P&P indicates they might...

Other input would be appreciated as a comparison...

Thank...BCB

[fivegunner]

So It looks like I can carry with my CPL from where I live ( Michigan) across Ill. Locked and cocked as long as I stay in my truck? if so Cool!

[trapper9260]

I'm not am Illinois resident but here's what I found:

" It is illegal to carry a loaded handgun in a vehicle without a permit/license. The statute does not apply however to the transportation of firearms that are:
1) broken down in a non-functioning state;
2) not immediately accessible; or
3) unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person with a currently valid Firearm Owner’s Identification card.

A person who is issued a valid concealed carry license is permitted to keep or carry a loaded or unloaded concealed handgun on or about his or her person within a vehicle.

There is another separate law for Non-Residents
A non-resident may transport a loaded concealed handgun in a vehicle if they have a valid CCW permit in their home state. They cannot under any circumstances remove the firearm from the vehicle. If they need to exit the vehicle they must lock it or place the firearm in a locked container."

source:
https://www.gunstocarry.com/gun-laws-state/illinois-gun-laws/#il-laws

and here's the actual law:
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/documents/043000660K40.htm

This what I was told also by USCCA about IL for a non resident that is past through and if need to get gas to do what you wrote. also what is stated also about the state.

[LUCKYDAWG13]

Thanks, but this is where it gets "sticky"...

The attachment shows the states that accept PA permits--Illinois is a red state on the map and does not--yet, the regulations as stated by P&P indicates they might...

Other input would be appreciated as a comparison...

Thank...BCB

what that means is that you can carry in your Vehicle only not on your person outside of your Vehicle

[LUCKYDAWG13]

this is a good app to have on your phone a must if you carry https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ryan.ccw&hl=en

[Thumbcocker]

The Illinois State Police website has a FAQ section that answers your question.

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[BCB]

O.K. Thanks all. I have information to start with...

It appears if I stay in a hotel for a night in Illinois, the handgun must stay in the vehicle locked and secured. This could be the tricky part, not that I think I will need it in the hotel room, but I am a bit paranoid about letting it in a locked truck...

Will continue to research, but all info given seems to be straight-foreword...

Thanks...BCB

[LUCKYDAWG13]

Some times it's better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6 just saying

[Petrol & Powder]

O.K. Thanks all. I have information to start with...

It appears if I stay in a hotel for a night in Illinois, the handgun must stay in the vehicle locked and secured. This could be the tricky part, not that I think I will need it in the hotel room, but I am a bit paranoid about letting it in a locked truck...

Will continue to research, but all info given seems to be straight-foreword...

Thanks...BCB

The problem isn't in the hotel room, the problem is getting the gun from the car to the hotel room. ;-)

[contender1]

I am NOT a resident of either IL or Pa.
However,, reading the information above,,, and often dealing with traveling,, it appears that you are legally allowed to transport THROUGH the state of IL. with a valid carry permit. The firearm must not leave the vehicle. Meaning,, you are not allowed to even use it etc.
If you must travel through IL. then I'd make my plans to NOT stop anywhere in the state if at all possible. No gas, no motel, no eating etc. I know this may not be possible,, but if I'd sure look at all the possibilities.
When I travel,, I have in the past had to go through a few "unfriendly" states. I planned to not stop, to assure I had plenty of gas & snacks etc. Never spent the night in them either.

I look at it like this.
Why give them my business (money) when they refuse to accept the Constitution? I'm a legal, honest American, and they choose to make it hard to visit or live there for many of us. So, I do not give them any money.

As I said,, this may not be the answer,, and by all appearances,, the excellent information above is a good guide.

[Froogal]

Just my opinion, but unless you have a need to be in Illinois, That state is not difficult to avoid.

[Petrol & Powder]

............
However,, reading the information above,,, and often dealing with traveling,, it appears that you are legally allowed to transport THROUGH the state of IL. with a valid carry permit. The firearm must not leave the vehicle. Meaning,, you are not allowed to even use it etc.
..........

/\ Not completely accurate.

While a state may impose restrictions on the means of self-defense, the legal concept of self-defense is never eliminated.

So while the state may say that you cannot carry a concerned weapon or may place restrictions on how you carry a concealed weapon, they cannot completely strip you of the right to self-defense.

So let's say you're at a gas station and you have a gun lawfully stored in your vehicle. Your wife is walking from the store when some thug grabs her and is robbing her at knife point. You grab your gun and defend your wife (self defense can extend to the defense of others). You're not carrying a concealed weapon, the gun is in plain view in your hand.
Now the guy charges at you with the knife while announcing he intends to kill you. You shoot him to stop that attack.

Illinois can make it difficult to defend yourself by enacting restrictive weapons laws but they cannot strip you of your right to put forth a legal defense.

Now, here's where it gets tricky - just because you put forth a claim of self defense doesn't mean a judge or jury must always accept that legal defense. Given the above scenario, a conviction would be very unlikely, but self-defense claims are rarely that clean.

So when you say "....Meaning,, you are not allowed to even use it..." (referring to a firearm), that's not always true. There may be circumstances where the right to self defense creates an exception to concealed carry laws.

The first course of action should always be to comply with the law. If the law says the gun must stay in the car, then the gun should stay in the car. However, the state can never completely remove your right to self-defense.

[alamogunr]

Interesting thread. I was born in Illinois but my parents moved to Tennessee when I was still an infant. As an adult I have rarely gone back there. Most of the relatives I had there have passed away and any that are left are essentially unknown to me and I to them.

It is a shame that the situation in IL is what it is. I can remember going rabbit hunting on my grandfather's farm as a teenager..

[Texas by God]

Some times it's better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6 just sayingThis ^^^^-and it's easier to get out of the jail than the cemetary.

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[Plate plinker]

Fill up with fuel in Indiana (FREE STATE) and DO NOT STOP in socialist controlled IL if at all possible. This is how I cross IL as well as many others. The state police there do run traffic in the rural areas but tend to let things flow around ChicaGO. The crossing from NW Indiana is relatively quick to Iowa and Wisconsin so your time in country is minimal.

Also it is best to fill up on fuel befoe Lake county AKA GARY, IN. That place is a entirely different planet.

[BCB]

Yea, I could avoid IL, but that is where I'm going to visit a relative. I am going to be in IL for 24 hours at most, but I realize that is a STOP IN IL. So, I guess I will just have to play it absolutely by the rules, but I wasn't planning on doing it any other way...

I will fuel up in Indiana and once I do my visit with my brother, I will not need to get out of my vehicle until farther west. I will need to try to avoid Nebraska also...

Or, just let the handgun in good ol' Pennsylvania...

[2shot]

A non resident can legally carry a loaded CC firearm in his vehicle while traveling through IL as long as that person has a carry permit from their home state. Stopping for gas or taking a pee as long as the firearm remains in the vehicle your okay but it must stay in the vehicle. If/when you stop at a hotel just unload your gun, put it in a case and take it inside the hotel room with you, there are no laws stating you cannot do this. Also you are allowed to load the firearm while in the hotel unless that particular hotel has a posted sign saying they (firearms) are forbidden. The hotel room legally rented for the night is the same as you being in your house or residents. You are legally allowed to protect yourself while in that hotel room same as in your own house.
Also, in Illinois you are not legally bound to inform a LEO that you have a firearm on you during a traffic stop unless they ask, then if asked just be truthful and inform them you are passing through the state and you have a carry permit from your home state.

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[LUCKYDAWG13]

Yea, I could avoid IL, but that is where I'm going to visit a relative. I am going to be in IL for 24 hours at most, but I realize that is a STOP IN IL. So, I guess I will just have to play it absolutely by the rules, but I wasn't planning on doing it any other way...


Or, just let the handgun in good ol' Pennsylvania...
be safe but I would carry https://chicago.cbslocal.com/tag/weekend-violence/

[Walkingwolf]

Last time I was in Illinois I locked up my unloaded handgun in the saddlebag. I continued to carry a pepper spray pistol though.

[BCB]

This is all interesting, and it appears with some common sense and savoy, the handgun can be carried during my journey...

The pepper spray sounds like a good idea also...

Thanks...BCB

[2shot]

Last time I was in Illinois I locked up my unloaded handgun in the saddlebag. I continued to carry a pepper spray pistol though.

Pick your poison, pepper spray, taser, knife, firearm. All still a UUW in IL.

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[Walkingwolf]

Pick your poison, pepper spray, taser, knife, firearm. All still a UUW in IL.

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Do you have a citation that pepper spray is illegal in Illinois? Or knife? Absence of law does not make a item illegal, opinions I have read is that both open carried knife, and OC/concealed pepper spray are legal in Illinois.

(720 ILCS 5/24-1.6)
Sec. 24-1.6. Aggravated unlawful use of a weapon.
(a) A person commits the offense of aggravated unlawful use of a weapon when he or she knowingly:
(1) Carries on or about his or her person or in any

vehicle or concealed on or about his or her person except when on his or her land or in his or her abode, legal dwelling, or fixed place of business, or on the land or in the legal dwelling of another person as an invitee with that person's permission, any pistol, revolver, stun gun or taser or other firearm;

[JoeJames]

I would expect that Illinois still is covered by a vestige of the Constitution - ie., 4th Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

[2shot]

Do you have a citation that pepper spray is illegal in Illinois? Or knife? Absence of law does not make a item illegal, opinions I have read is that both open carried knife, and OC/concealed pepper spray are legal in Illinois.

(720 ILCS 5/24-1.6)
Sec. 24-1.6. Aggravated unlawful use of a weapon.
(a) A person commits the offense of aggravated unlawful use of a weapon when he or she knowingly:
(1) Carries on or about his or her person or in any

vehicle or concealed on or about his or her person except when on his or her land or in his or her abode, legal dwelling, or fixed place of business, or on the land or in the legal dwelling of another person as an invitee with that person's permission, any pistol, revolver, stun gun or taser or other firearm;

You specifically said pepper spray gun which will land you in the pokey real quick, hows a night in the Cook County jail sound while your attorney sorts things out for you? And just a heads up, now any airgun over .177 or any muzzleloader is now considered a firearm in Illinois and purchasers must abide with the 3 day wait after purchase. Pepper spray is a grey area and just because there are no written laws doesn't mean some assistant AD with political aspirations wouldn't charge you with UUW (not aggravated as you stated but Unlawful Use)
Not saying the laws are right or just and if you are from out of state and want to test your case in court, well then, more power to you.

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[Petrol & Powder]

I would expect that Illinois still is covered by a vestige of the Constitution - ie., 4th Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Thank you for cutting and pasting the text of the 4th Amendment. What are you stating?

[Walkingwolf]

You specifically said pepper spray gun which will land you in the pokey real quick, hows a night in the Cook County jail sound while your attorney sorts things out for you? And just a heads up, now any airgun over .177 or any muzzleloader is now considered a firearm in Illinois and purchasers must abide with the 3 day wait after purchase. Pepper spray is a grey area and just because there are no written laws doesn't mean some assistant AD with political aspirations wouldn't charge you with UUW (not aggravated as you stated but Unlawful Use)
Not saying the laws are right or just and if you are from out of state and want to test your case in court, well then, more power to you.

2shot

Pepper spray gun is nothing more than pepper spray in a canister with a pistol grip, nothing in IL law outlawing it. SOOOOO if you have a citation please provide it? Otherwise it is nothing more than your opinion which with $3.00 can get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. If you can't come up with statutes how about case law?

[BCB]

The Illinois State Police website has a FAQ section that answers your question.

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I Googled ISP website and tried to wade through it. I think there is no "straight" answer on the conceal carry issue...

It appears that Illinois really doesn't want any outsiders to visit or pass through their state...

As I read all the comments and replies and such on this thread, there is a variety of answers. Some are vehemently 180 degrees in fact/opinion...

Even my local LEO's say it can be done, but their info is a bit sketchy also...

It seems that it is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" type of situation. Likely only attorneys can interpret it after the fact and that isn't good at all...

Until gun laws are the same in every state, the odds of getting innocently in trouble remain likely. And a handgun violation in today's society is nothing to sneeze at that is for sure...

Thanks...BCB

[2shot]

Pepper spray gun is nothing more than pepper spray in a canister with a pistol grip, nothing in IL law outlawing it. SOOOOO if you have a citation please provide it? Otherwise it is nothing more than your opinion which with $3.00 can get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. If you can't come up with statutes how about case law?

:violin:

[Walkingwolf]

:violin:

Is that all you got? :-P

I expected you to come back with a list of arrests, but alas nothing, I hate to laugh at you, but...

[alamogunr]

The sad thing is, and I would expect those from IL to agree, all of Illinois except for Chicago, is the tail that is wagged by the dog.

I was born in Illinois but, as I said previously, haven't been there in a long time. Actually, I'm probably less than a hundred miles south of there. I would gladly drive more than 500 miles to avoid that state and have no desire to test any of their laws.

[BCB]

The sad thing is, and I would expect those from IL to agree, all of Illinois except for Chicago, is the tail that is wagged by the dog.

I was born in Illinois but, as I said previously, haven't been there in a long time. Actually, I'm probably less than a hundred miles south of there. I would gladly drive more than 500 miles to avoid that state and have no desire to test any of their laws.

Right, but I go there to visit my brother who I haven't seen in over 30 years. It will be a one-night deal, but that is likely enough to get in trouble...

Let the 1911 in The Great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania might be the safest, mind relaxing move...

Thanks all...BCB

[Petrol & Powder]

I Googled ISP website and tried to wade through it. I think there is no "straight" answer on the conceal carry issue...

It appears that Illinois really doesn't want any outsiders to visit or pass through their state...

As I read all the comments and replies and such on this thread, there is a variety of answers. Some are vehemently 180 degrees in fact/opinion...

Even my local LEO's say it can be done, but their info is a bit sketchy also...

It seems that it is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" type of situation. Likely only attorneys can interpret it after the fact and that isn't good at all...

Until gun laws are the same in every state, the odds of getting innocently in trouble remain likely. And a handgun violation in today's society is nothing to sneeze at that is for sure...

Thanks...BCB


BCB, getting legal advice on the internet is like getting surgery performed by some guy you just met in Central Park; he could be a brilliant surgeon or he could just be mentally ill.

There is a straight answer, (says the guy on the internet ;) ) llinois does allow holders of out of state concealed weapon's permits to transport a concealed weapon in their vehicle while travelling through Illinois. But that privilege doesn't extend beyond the vehicle.

Illinois does not recognize a Pennsylvania concealed carry license for a person carrying a concealed weapon outside of a vehicle.

A hotel room might as well be your bedroom. So once you get the gun into the room, you're fine there.
Getting the gun from the car to the room may require some finesse but I think, unloaded, in a locked container will comply with the law. From the law I quoted way back in the second post, you could just unload it, pull the slide off and stick the disassembled gun in you bag before carrying it into your room.

As for the opinion of local Pennsylvania police officers, I doubt they know Illinois law off the top of their head. They mean well but their opinion on Illinois law is probably not your best bet.

As for the disparity in laws across the U.S.A., I kind of like the fact that I don't have to abide by the laws of California or Massachusetts when I am not IN California or Massachusetts.

Uniformity of laws makes sense for some things, like traffic control. We drive on the right side of the road and a Stop Sign means the same thing in every state of the union. Not sure I want to firearms laws to be universal.

Don't over think this, read the law for yourself and use some common sense. You'll be fine.

[Thumbcocker]

(720 ILCS 5/Art. 24 heading)
ARTICLE 24. DEADLY WEAPONS


(720 ILCS 5/24-1) (from Ch. 38, par. 24-1)
Sec. 24-1. Unlawful use of weapons.
(a) A person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons when he knowingly:
(1) Sells, manufactures, purchases, possesses or

carries any bludgeon, black-jack, slung-shot, sand-club, sand-bag, metal knuckles or other knuckle weapon regardless of its composition, throwing star, or any knife, commonly referred to as a switchblade knife, which has a blade that opens automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in the handle of the knife, or a ballistic knife, which is a device that propels a knifelike blade as a projectile by means of a coil spring, elastic material or compressed gas; or
(2) Carries or possesses with intent to use the same

unlawfully against another, a dagger, dirk, billy, dangerous knife, razor, stiletto, broken bottle or other piece of glass, stun gun or taser or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument of like character; or
(3) Carries on or about his person or in any vehicle,

a tear gas gun projector or bomb or any object containing noxious liquid gas or substance, other than an object containing a non-lethal noxious liquid gas or substance designed solely for personal defense carried by a person 18 years of age or older; or
(4) Carries or possesses in any vehicle or concealed

on or about his person except when on his land or in his own abode, legal dwelling, or fixed place of business, or on the land or in the legal dwelling of another person as an invitee with that person's permission, any pistol, revolver, stun gun or taser or other firearm, except that this subsection (a) (4) does not apply to or affect transportation of weapons that meet one of the following conditions:
(i) are broken down in a non-functioning state; or
(ii) are not immediately accessible; or
(iii) are unloaded and enclosed in a case,

firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card; or
(iv) are carried or possessed in accordance with

the Firearm Concealed Carry Act by a person who has been issued a currently valid license under the Firearm Concealed Carry Act; or
(5) Sets a spring gun; or
(6) Possesses any device or attachment of any kind

designed, used or intended for use in silencing the report of any firearm; or
(7) Sells, manufactures, purchases, possesses or

carries:
(i) a machine gun, which shall be defined for the

purposes of this subsection as any weapon, which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manually reloading by a single function of the trigger, including the frame or receiver of any such weapon, or sells, manufactures, purchases, possesses, or carries any combination of parts designed or intended for use in converting any weapon into a machine gun, or any combination or parts from which a machine gun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person;
(ii) any rifle having one or more barrels less

than 16 inches in length or a shotgun having one or more barrels less than 18 inches in length or any weapon made from a rifle or shotgun, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if such a weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches; or
(iii) any bomb, bomb-shell, grenade, bottle or

other container containing an explosive substance of over one-quarter ounce for like purposes, such as, but not limited to, black powder bombs and Molotov cocktails or artillery projectiles; or
(8) Carries or possesses any firearm, stun gun or

taser or other deadly weapon in any place which is licensed to sell intoxicating beverages, or at any public gathering held pursuant to a license issued by any governmental body or any public gathering at which an admission is charged, excluding a place where a showing, demonstration or lecture involving the exhibition of unloaded firearms is conducted.
This subsection (a)(8) does not apply to any auction

or raffle of a firearm held pursuant to a license or permit issued by a governmental body, nor does it apply to persons engaged in firearm safety training courses; or
(9) Carries or possesses in a vehicle or on or about

his person any pistol, revolver, stun gun or taser or firearm or ballistic knife, when he is hooded, robed or masked in such manner as to conceal his identity; or
(10) Carries or possesses on or about his person,

upon any public street, alley, or other public lands within the corporate limits of a city, village or incorporated town, except when an invitee thereon or therein, for the purpose of the display of such weapon or the lawful commerce in weapons, or except when on his land or in his own abode, legal dwelling, or fixed place of business, or on the land or in the legal dwelling of another person as an invitee with that person's permission, any pistol, revolver, stun gun or taser or other firearm, except that this subsection (a) (10) does not apply to or affect transportation of weapons that meet one of the following conditions:
(i) are broken down in a non-functioning state; or
(ii) are not immediately accessible; or
(iii) are unloaded and enclosed in a case,

firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card; or
(iv) are carried or possessed in accordance with

the Firearm Concealed Carry Act by a person who has been issued a currently valid license under the Firearm Concealed Carry Act.
A "stun gun or taser", as used in this paragraph (a)

means (i) any device which is powered by electrical charging units, such as, batteries, and which fires one or several barbs attached to a length of wire and which, upon hitting a human, can send out a current capable of disrupting the person's nervous system in such a manner as to render him incapable of normal functioning or (ii) any device which is powered by electrical charging units, such as batteries, and which, upon contact with a human or clothing worn by a human, can send out current capable of disrupting the person's nervous system in such a manner as to render him incapable of normal functioning; or
(11) Sells, manufactures or purchases any explosive

bullet. For purposes of this paragraph (a) "explosive bullet" means the projectile portion of an ammunition cartridge which contains or carries an explosive charge which will explode upon contact with the flesh of a human or an animal. "Cartridge" means a tubular metal case having a projectile affixed at the front thereof and a cap or primer at the rear end thereof, with the propellant contained in such tube between the projectile and the cap; or
(12) (Blank); or
(13) Carries or possesses on or about his or her

person while in a building occupied by a unit of government, a billy club, other weapon of like character, or other instrument of like character intended for use as a weapon. For the purposes of this Section, "billy club" means a short stick or club commonly carried by police officers which is either telescopic or constructed of a solid piece of wood or other man-made material.
(b) Sentence. A person convicted of a violation of subsection 24-1(a)(1) through (5), subsection 24-1(a)(10), subsection 24-1(a)(11), or subsection 24-1(a)(13) commits a Class A misdemeanor. A person convicted of a violation of subsection 24-1(a)(8) or 24-1(a)(9) commits a Class 4 felony; a person convicted of a violation of subsection 24-1(a)(6) or 24-1(a)(7)(ii) or (iii) commits a Class 3 felony. A person convicted of a violation of subsection 24-1(a)(7)(i) commits a Class 2 felony and shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not less than 3 years and not more than 7 years, unless the weapon is possessed in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle as defined in Section 1-146 of the Illinois Vehicle Code, or on the person, while the weapon is loaded, in which case it shall be a Class X felony. A person convicted of a second or subsequent violation of subsection 24-1(a)(4), 24-1(a)(8), 24-1(a)(9), or 24-1(a)(10) commits a Class 3 felony. The possession of each weapon in violation of this Section constitutes a single and separate violation.
(c) Violations in specific places.
(1) A person who violates subsection 24-1(a)(6) or

24-1(a)(7) in any school, regardless of the time of day or the time of year, in residential property owned, operated or managed by a public housing agency or leased by a public housing agency as part of a scattered site or mixed-income development, in a public park, in a courthouse, on the real property comprising any school, regardless of the time of day or the time of year, on residential property owned, operated or managed by a public housing agency or leased by a public housing agency as part of a scattered site or mixed-income development, on the real property comprising any public park, on the real property comprising any courthouse, in any conveyance owned, leased or contracted by a school to transport students to or from school or a school related activity, in any conveyance owned, leased, or contracted by a public transportation agency, or on any public way within 1,000 feet of the real property comprising any school, public park, courthouse, public transportation facility, or residential property owned, operated, or managed by a public housing agency or leased by a public housing agency as part of a scattered site or mixed-income development commits a Class 2 felony and shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not less than 3 years and not more than 7 years.
(1.5) A person who violates subsection 24-1(a)(4),

24-1(a)(9), or 24-1(a)(10) in any school, regardless of the time of day or the time of year, in residential property owned, operated, or managed by a public housing agency or leased by a public housing agency as part of a scattered site or mixed-income development, in a public park, in a courthouse, on the real property comprising any school, regardless of the time of day or the time of year, on residential property owned, operated, or managed by a public housing agency or leased by a public housing agency as part of a scattered site or mixed-income development, on the real property comprising any public park, on the real property comprising any courthouse, in any conveyance owned, leased, or contracted by a school to transport students to or from school or a school related activity, in any conveyance owned, leased, or contracted by a public transportation agency, or on any public way within 1,000 feet of the real property comprising any school, public park, courthouse, public transportation facility, or residential property owned, operated, or managed by a public housing agency or leased by a public housing agency as part of a scattered site or mixed-income development commits a Class 3 felony.
(2) A person who violates subsection 24-1(a)(1),

24-1(a)(2), or 24-1(a)(3) in any school, regardless of the time of day or the time of year, in residential property owned, operated or managed by a public housing agency or leased by a public housing agency as part of a scattered site or mixed-income development, in a public park, in a courthouse, on the real property comprising any school, regardless of the time of day or the time of year, on residential property owned, operated or managed by a public housing agency or leased by a public housing agency as part of a scattered site or mixed-income development, on the real property comprising any public park, on the real property comprising any courthouse, in any conveyance owned, leased or contracted by a school to transport students to or from school or a school related activity, in any conveyance owned, leased, or contracted by a public transportation agency, or on any public way within 1,000 feet of the real property comprising any school, public park, courthouse, public transportation facility, or residential property owned, operated, or managed by a public housing agency or leased by a public housing agency as part of a scattered site or mixed-income development commits a Class 4 felony. "Courthouse" means any building that is used by the Circuit, Appellate, or Supreme Court of this State for the conduct of official business.
(3) Paragraphs (1), (1.5), and (2) of this subsection

(c) shall not apply to law enforcement officers or security officers of such school, college, or university or to students carrying or possessing firearms for use in training courses, parades, hunting, target shooting on school ranges, or otherwise with the consent of school authorities and which firearms are transported unloaded enclosed in a suitable case, box, or transportation package.
(4) For the purposes of this subsection (c), "school"

means any public or private elementary or secondary school, community college, college, or university.
(5) For the purposes of this subsection (c),

"public transportation agency" means a public or private agency that provides for the transportation or conveyance of persons by means available to the general public, except for transportation by automobiles not used for conveyance of the general public as passengers; and "public transportation facility" means a terminal or other place where one may obtain public transportation.
(d) The presence in an automobile other than a public omnibus of any weapon, instrument or substance referred to in subsection (a)(7) is prima facie evidence that it is in the possession of, and is being carried by, all persons occupying such automobile at the time such weapon, instrument or substance is found, except under the following circumstances: (i) if such weapon, instrument or instrumentality is found upon the person of one of the occupants therein; or (ii) if such weapon, instrument or substance is found in an automobile operated for hire by a duly licensed driver in the due, lawful and proper pursuit of his trade, then such presumption shall not apply to the driver.
(e) Exemptions.
(1) Crossbows, Common or Compound bows and

Underwater Spearguns are exempted from the definition of ballistic knife as defined in paragraph (1) of subsection (a) of this Section.
(2) The provision of paragraph (1) of subsection (a)

of this Section prohibiting the sale, manufacture, purchase, possession, or carrying of any knife, commonly referred to as a switchblade knife, which has a blade that opens automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in the handle of the knife, does not apply to a person who possesses a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card previously issued in his or her name by the Department of State Police or to a person or an entity engaged in the business of selling or manufacturing switchblade knives.
(Source: P.A. 99-29, eff. 7-10-15; 100-82, eff. 8-11-17.)

[2shot]

Is that all you got? :-P

I expected you to come back with a list of arrests, but alas nothing, I hate to laugh at you, but...

The internet is full of experts, guess you fit into that category. You can carry whatever you want and get away with it but using it is a different story. Opinions are like, uh, what's that saying? Guess you fit both categories. Carry on. [smilie=s:

[Walkingwolf]

The internet is full of experts, guess you fit into that category. You can carry whatever you want and get away with it but using it is a different story. Opinions are like, uh, what's that saying? Guess you fit both categories. Carry on. [smilie=s:

I'm not claiming to be an expert, I am asking for some documentation. YOU made claims like an expert, and then refuse to back them up with facts. Now you want to lob passive aggressive insults because you backed yourself into a corner.

a tear gas gun projector or bomb or any object containing noxious liquid gas or substance, other than an object containing a non-lethal noxious liquid gas or substance designed solely for personal defense carried by a person 18 years of age or older

By IL statute clearly legal to carry pepper spray.

[2shot]

No didn't back myself into a corner. State laws are one thing other municipalities are another. Some in Illinois say no restrictions and others say no pepper spray/mace or only in amounts of less than 1/2 ounce or only in a certain percentage of the active ingredient.

The stupid thing is we're all gun owners and I have given some useful and truthful information regarding CC in Illinois and your bashing another gun owner and former LEO. As stated you can carry whatever you like, use pepper spray, a knife, a taser, a baseball bat in self defense and you are going to be charged with UUW until things are straightened out by the DA and the LEO's at the station wont be high five'ing you for saving them work, they're just the evidence collectors.
So in a way you are right and in another way I have some valid points also. There are almost 1300 municipality's in Illinois, the majority go by the state laws and some don't. Some ban assault style weapons (whatever those are suppose to be??) some ban the use of lasers on guns while some ban the use of pepper spray. While the state says these things are legal to use if you get caught in those municipalities that ban them your going to get arrested. You will probably get out of the charges if you have a good attorney but it's going to cost you in time and money. I don't know about you but I don't want to make it a hobby going to court, it's easier and cheaper just to avoid problems. Hence my post about a knife, a gun, brass knuckles, pepper spray,etc if you use them you could get charged with UUW and assault.

[Walkingwolf]

OK list some arrests, show something other than hot air.

[2shot]

I'm done with your "show me the money" attitude, not worth my time or trouble.
Have a nice day

2shot

[wills]

Why not just avoid Illinois?

[Walkingwolf]

I'm done with your "show me the money" attitude, not worth my time or trouble.
Have a nice day

2shot

Yea I expected that, you got nothing. OTH I have the law on my side with the actual Il law that says pepper spray is legal. ON top of that check any legal opinion and it is the same pepper spray is legal in Illinois.


Why not just avoid Illinois?

Unfortunately that is not possible for some people, so they have to adjust the best way they can to stay within the law.

[tazman]

I was able to find a number of arrests in Illinois for using pepper spray. They were all for assaults using the pepper spray as a weapon and not done as defense. Usually the opening shot in a beating or robbery. In one case it was used against a police officer.

On another down side to this issue, I found reports of children in school using pepper spray as a means to bully someone or disrupt classes. If enough people misuse the stuff, it may get banned, no matter how useful it is for legal defensive purposes.

[Walkingwolf]

I was able to find a number of arrests in Illinois for using pepper spray. They were all for assaults using the pepper spray as a weapon and not done as defense. Usually the opening shot in a beating or robbery. In one case it was used against a police officer.

On another down side to this issue, I found reports of children in school using pepper spray as a means to bully someone or disrupt classes. If enough people misuse the stuff, it may get banned, no matter how useful it is for legal defensive purposes.

I was aware of that type of arrests, no different than using a hammer as a weapon in a crime. What I was asking was for arrests based solely on the carry of pepper spray. I know Chicago has an ordinance banning using pepper spray indoors, but that is only for using it, not carrying. Before I rode through Il I checked several legal sites, and all said pepper spray carry is legal. On top of that I know several officers from Illinois who encourage carry of pepper spray.

[tazman]

I was aware of that type of arrests, no different than using a hammer as a weapon in a crime. What I was asking was for arrests based solely on the carry of pepper spray. I know Chicago has an ordinance banning using pepper spray indoors, but that is only for using it, not carrying. Before I rode through Il I checked several legal sites, and all said pepper spray carry is legal. On top of that I know several officers from Illinois who encourage carry of pepper spray.

I am not familiar with the different municipality laws/ordinances on pepper spray. It is legal in Illinois. It is also the best choice if you cannot or will not carry a firearm.
I wasn't able to find any records of arrests for simply carrying pepper spray.

[JBinMN]

A bic lighter & a can of WD40, ether, or the like, could be useful if someone is trying your patience. Even a mouthful of a high proof alchohol lit off when spit out would likely get any antagonist some second thoughts as well... Tax stamped Everclear grain alcohol illegal there?
;)

I know spiders don't like it much if ya use the first suggestion. Bet bad guys would not like it either.
;)

:kidding:

[tazman]

A bic lighter & a can of WD40, ether, or the like, could be useful if someone is trying your patience. Even a mouthful of a high proof alchohol lit off when spit out would likely get any antagonist some second thoughts as well... Tax stamped Everclear grain alcohol illegal there?
;)

I know spiders don't like it much if ya use the first suggestion. Bet bad guys would not like it either.
;)

:kidding:

That sounds nasty. I suspect you would need to be fairly close for that to work but since I have never used it, I don't know for certain.
Wasp spray. The black flag brand is supposed to shoot out up to 20 feet.

[LUCKYDAWG13]

Wasp spray does not work for self defense stick with pepper spray

[Don Purcell]

Whenever I hear someone flippantly say "It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6", I hope they remember that while they are being gang raped in their cell as the new "Girl" on the block.

[ThomR]

I'm glad I left Illinois. Ironically enough my Illinois concealed carry permit is still active.

[LUCKYDAWG13]

Whenever I hear someone flippantly say "It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6", I hope they remember that while they are being gang raped in their cell as the new "Girl" on the block.

Bio
Ok how about better alive then dead

[BCB]

Well, guess when I leave Indiana after spending a night there, I will lock the slide back, put a cable lock through the chamber and out the bottom where the magazine goes. Then I will put it in the case it came in and lock it in my tool box on my truck. I have the tool box wrapped with a Master Python cable lock so that would make it pretty difficult to open unless one has a good bolt cutter. I know, nothing is "break-in" proof, but it should put the handgun to rest until I leave Illinois. From there, I have no problem states to travel through...

Thanks...BCB