6string
08-25-2019, 03:05 AM
Hello,
I recently purchased a Redding 44 Special all steel die set. Although I have an RCBS 44 Mag/Spl carbide die set from 1985, I really wanted something better suited to using .432-433" cast boolits. My fave is a Lyman 429348 WC cast on the soft side.
Unfortunately, the Redding size die was way too tight! Case mouths were coming out .424", and had a pronounced shoulder similar to a 44-40. (see last pic) Using a Mitutoyo small hole gauge, the die chamber measured .440" where the case mouth would be when fully inserted.
I called Redding tech support, and while the guy understood what I wanted, he told me they couldn't help me. He suggested "just take it to a machinist".
Since the die was pretty much useless to me, I figured I'd just try lapping it myself. I've done a fair bit of lapping, generally of woodworking tools, like metal bench planes that need truing, etc.
The plan was to turn a brass lap a couple thousandths under the .440" figure to allow for the lapping compound, and if needed, turn another a bit larger. I planned to do the actual lapping by hand, with the lap attached to a spindle and clamped in a bench vise. I figured the chamber would keep the lap centered, and I could go "by feel", which would be lost if I chose to mount the lap and die in a lathe or drill press.
Here's the start, turning the brass lap:
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Here's an assembled lap and spindle, with a second lap roughed in a few thousandths larger, atop my bench vise:
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With the lap and spindle mounted vertically in the vise, I coated the spindle with cutting oil and a thin layer of 90x lapping compound. This is from a lapping kit sold by Lee Valley under their Veritas brand name.
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It helped to wear gloves to do the turning. I got a nasty blister from the die threads and knurling on the first go.
It helps to pay attention to a slow, clockwise rotation, as well. I really didn't want the threads to loosen, and then having to force the lap out of the die.
As I went along, I periodically cleaned out the die, took some measurements, and sized a sample case.
My small hole gauge and micrometer:
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Occasionally, I'd switch to a finer grit lap, to keep from deeply scratching the die. Fortunately, that turned out to not be a problem at all. I am familiar with the product, and working by hand kept the cutting from getting to aggressive.
Anyhow, the first lap eventually stopped cutting, as it was wearing down a little and the die was opening up as planned.
Cases were sizing with a mouth opening of .4265". I was pleased but wanted more. The second lap was dressed to .443" and the process repeated.
Here's where I ended up:
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On the right is the first case sized using the die as is out of the box. The two cases on the left are a 44 Special and Magnum case. (I think the photo shows that the "after" cases are quite a bit smoother in appearance, too.) The case mouths are now coming out .428"-.429". Hard to say exactly, as the die chamber now has a gentle taper, mimicking that of old factory Special loads. The added benefit is being able to fine tune the sizing by adjusting the distance between the die mouth and the shell holder. For my purposes right now, the gap between shellholder and die mouth is about .125".
Using a Lyman M die with a .430"/433" expander, the case slides in with just a slight bit of resistance.
Thanks for following along on my little project!
Jim
I recently purchased a Redding 44 Special all steel die set. Although I have an RCBS 44 Mag/Spl carbide die set from 1985, I really wanted something better suited to using .432-433" cast boolits. My fave is a Lyman 429348 WC cast on the soft side.
Unfortunately, the Redding size die was way too tight! Case mouths were coming out .424", and had a pronounced shoulder similar to a 44-40. (see last pic) Using a Mitutoyo small hole gauge, the die chamber measured .440" where the case mouth would be when fully inserted.
I called Redding tech support, and while the guy understood what I wanted, he told me they couldn't help me. He suggested "just take it to a machinist".
Since the die was pretty much useless to me, I figured I'd just try lapping it myself. I've done a fair bit of lapping, generally of woodworking tools, like metal bench planes that need truing, etc.
The plan was to turn a brass lap a couple thousandths under the .440" figure to allow for the lapping compound, and if needed, turn another a bit larger. I planned to do the actual lapping by hand, with the lap attached to a spindle and clamped in a bench vise. I figured the chamber would keep the lap centered, and I could go "by feel", which would be lost if I chose to mount the lap and die in a lathe or drill press.
Here's the start, turning the brass lap:
247251
Here's an assembled lap and spindle, with a second lap roughed in a few thousandths larger, atop my bench vise:
247252
With the lap and spindle mounted vertically in the vise, I coated the spindle with cutting oil and a thin layer of 90x lapping compound. This is from a lapping kit sold by Lee Valley under their Veritas brand name.
247253
It helped to wear gloves to do the turning. I got a nasty blister from the die threads and knurling on the first go.
It helps to pay attention to a slow, clockwise rotation, as well. I really didn't want the threads to loosen, and then having to force the lap out of the die.
As I went along, I periodically cleaned out the die, took some measurements, and sized a sample case.
My small hole gauge and micrometer:
247255
Occasionally, I'd switch to a finer grit lap, to keep from deeply scratching the die. Fortunately, that turned out to not be a problem at all. I am familiar with the product, and working by hand kept the cutting from getting to aggressive.
Anyhow, the first lap eventually stopped cutting, as it was wearing down a little and the die was opening up as planned.
Cases were sizing with a mouth opening of .4265". I was pleased but wanted more. The second lap was dressed to .443" and the process repeated.
Here's where I ended up:
247254
On the right is the first case sized using the die as is out of the box. The two cases on the left are a 44 Special and Magnum case. (I think the photo shows that the "after" cases are quite a bit smoother in appearance, too.) The case mouths are now coming out .428"-.429". Hard to say exactly, as the die chamber now has a gentle taper, mimicking that of old factory Special loads. The added benefit is being able to fine tune the sizing by adjusting the distance between the die mouth and the shell holder. For my purposes right now, the gap between shellholder and die mouth is about .125".
Using a Lyman M die with a .430"/433" expander, the case slides in with just a slight bit of resistance.
Thanks for following along on my little project!
Jim