Martini in 357 MAX

[blackbahart]

recently put together a small frame thick wall martini in 357Max as thats the only reamer I have ,Still have put on a execution to attach the for end and oil the wood
the barrel is a GM 20" blank ,talley sight base
made the stocks out of a walnut 2'' thick plank end and the rifle so far is just under 7 pounds(heavy wood, but nice)
I fires and ejects the 38 special and 357 mag .The 357 max just doesn't eject unless its pointed in the sky and that was no surprise .
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[Nobade]

Neat! That's some nice looking wood, it should be a useful rifle for you.

[barrabruce]

Paint me green.
I think it would be very nice.

[country gent]

I have one in 218 bee. I have a few various single shots and in a way like the ones that just extract the case to where I can pick it out. The martini is one of these, when hunting in grass or weeds I don't have t hunt for those cases

[Shawlerbrook]

That would be very popular in one of the straight walled mid-west deer hunting states.

[blackbahart]

took it out today and zeroed it at 30 yards just in my yard ,used 38 special just because groups ok .Decided to cut the fore end back and bent the bottom of the lever .Took off the wood to finish it.Here are a couple more pics
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[Tatume]

Wonderful!

You might want to try 357 DW cases. The length is in between the Mag and Max (1.28", 1.41", 1.59").

I have all the rifles I ever need, but I still want a small frame Martini. I'm sure you will enjoy yours.

[Boz330]

My Martini in 357mag. Delightful rifle to shoot. Did you modify your block to take the 357max? I doubt I could get a max case in my gun, since I have to hold the lever down to even get a mag case in the chamber.


Bob

[blackbahart]

bending the back side of the extractor lower allows the block to go down lower and helps to load and extract/ eject the 357 max from my experimenting

[john.k]

being a Francotte,its easy to see the relationship of the parts before anything is altered ,and during the process too.......Might be better to grind a small scoop from the block just where the foul occurrs,but dont join the owners who ve gone thru the top of the block .

[blackbahart]

on this martini there is no issue inserting or extracting the cases ,just the max case is a bit longer and it will just extract unless it is pointed skyward and it will eject as the straight wall case is quite close to the extractor .38 and 357 eject with no issue

[curioushooter]

How much does it weigh? What was the twist rate you used?

[blackbahart]

the barrel is a GM 20 '' 1x16 and it weighs 6#11oz without scope

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[Drm50]

Last one I had was a 22Ackley Jet off 357 case. My gunsmith had built a lot of them in 60s and this one came back for him to sell from owners family. Had Douglas barrel and Fajen stock with monkey tail rolled into a lever.
Stock and forend were cut from a BA stock. Very nice BSA cadet from Austrailia was the donar gun. Rifle ejected very well. I've had some others and 357 is largest cal I've owned.

[richhodg66]

That's a cool rifle. I have a Martini cadet someone built into a nice varminter in .218 Bee. Love that little action.

[skeettx]

My cadets are in 17 Ack Bee, 17 Ack Bee, and 218 Bee
The sure are FUN!!

[robg]

Love martini actions

[Boz330]

Love martini actions

They are awesome and addictive, not to mention accurate as hell.

Bob

[blackbahart]

got the 357 and 22 hornet back from blueing and finished assembling them.The hornet on top and 357 Max bottom
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[BPSharps]

blackbahart That 357Max looks amazing. I wish I had your talent. 357Max is one great cartridge too.

[blackbahart]

not sure what I done ,after reassembling the 357 max from the blueing I did the traditional test firing and she flicks out the 357 max empties like a hot dam !
only thing I will guess was I like the breech block polished and shiny so when polishing it up may have removed just enough or slicked up the block that she works

yes they are fun projects to build up ,here is a pic from the first day of deciding to start projectile parts are on top of the stock board ,its nice to be able to go from start to finish in my little shop except for the blueing which was farmed out

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[Baltimoreed]

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I found one in .357 mag, a fun gun to shoot.

[blackbahart]

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I found one in .357 mag, a fun gun to shoot.
that is a nice clean one you have there ,looks great

[Baltimoreed]

You guys inspired me to get my Kangaroo rifle out of the safe and shoot it some. At some point the big redfield was replaced by a smaller scope but off hand I’m ringing my 4 inch swinger at 65 steps off the deck with no problems. It likes lead boolits.

[popper]

Shame Henry did't make them for their SS.

[blackbahart]

had all 3 of my 357MAXs out the other day 1910 Win ,DW ,Martini so took a pic
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[Texas by God]

You Fellers having martinis and I don't have a martini so I wished I had a martini even though I don't drink. I think I've seen maybe five of those Cadet rifles in my entire life. They must have slipped by me somehow...

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[swheeler]

had all 3 of my 357MAXs out the other day 1910 Win ,DW ,Martini so took a pic
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Nice collection of Maxs. that is some pretty wood in the butt of that Martini, WOW!

[Boz330]

You Fellers having martinis and I don't have a martini so I wished I had a martini even though I don't drink. I think I've seen maybe five of those Cadet rifles in my entire life. They must have slipped by me somehow...

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Do yourself a favor don't buy one, they are an expensive addiction. I have 5, 22LR, 7MM Waters, 303 Brit, 357Mag, and 577-450. I use to have more but had to thin the herd to make room in the safe. No room in the reloading room for a bigger safe.

Bob

[robg]

I picked up an international BSA lefthander in 22rf last year .out Shoots all my other rifles at 100 yards with american eagle ammo ,but I wouldn't want to carry it too far as it weighs a ton with a scope.

[Jedman]

I picked up an international BSA lefthander in 22rf last year .out Shoots all my other rifles at 100 yards with american eagle ammo ,but I wouldn't want to carry it too far as it weighs a ton with a scope.

That is the exact rifle I am looking for ! I am a lefty and they are very hard to find without paying a lot more than I see right handed internationals going for.

Jedman

[blackbahart]

You Fellers having martinis and I don't have a martini so I wished I had a martini even though I don't drink. I think I've seen maybe five of those Cadet rifles in my entire life. They must have slipped by me somehow...

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Martinis are kinda addictive ,up here in Canada they are not really scarce but finding bubbas for projects is a bit tough at reasonable prices.
The nicer / cleaner ones do pop up more often .

[robg]

[QUOTE=Jedman;4725497]That is the exact rifle I am looking for ! I am a lefty and they are very hard to find without paying a lot more than I see right handed internationals going for.


I knew the guy who had it ,id even shot it when he offered me a shot .said if your selling ill have it .3years later i got it. wanted one since i shot my dads 50 years ago even though his was rh.

[quilbilly]

Your wood in the two pics on the right looks more like it is a quilt maple made from big leaf maple here in the Pac. NW. Some call it "music wood' because it is favored for cellos and base violins. When it is finished properly, not an easy task, the irredescant beauty is even more extraordinary when you see it up close. Only certain big leaf maples in windy areas will have that much figure. Congratulations on your gorgeous rifle!

[blackbahart]

Your wood in the two pics on the right looks more like it is a quilt maple made from big leaf maple here in the Pac. NW. Some call it "music wood' because it is favored for cellos and base violins. When it is finished properly, not an easy task, the irredescant beauty is even more extraordinary when you see it up close. Only certain big leaf maples in windy areas will have that much figure. Congratulations on your gorgeous rifle!

thank you

[blackbahart]

Your wood in the two pics on the right looks more like it is a quilt maple made from big leaf maple here in the Pac. NW. Some call it "music wood' because it is favored for cellos and base violins. When it is finished properly, not an easy task, the irredescant beauty is even more extraordinary when you see it up close. Only certain big leaf maples in windy areas will have that much figure. Congratulations on your gorgeous rifle!
was at the local lumber store and they received more hobby wood shorts in and there were a few pieces of broad wood maple and I bought one $16 BF =95 for the piece258919

[BigEyeBob]

You Fellers having martinis and I don't have a martini so I wished I had a martini even though I don't drink. I think I've seen maybe five of those Cadet rifles in my entire life. They must have slipped by me somehow...

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Only five , they are addictive ,Ive 8 in different calibers ,and still looking .

[ozo]

got the 357 and 22 hornet back from blueing and finished assembling them.The hornet on top and 357 Max bottom
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Beautiful pair......love the Max, loading some up at this very moment.

[wch]

I had a Martini in 357 Max and sold it- I've regretted that for years!

[Baltimoreed]

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Here’s my other martini, it’s not as sexy as the op’s rifle as it’s still in uniform but it uses untrimmed .32-20 brass. Just a little bit shorter than a 357 max. It’s a sweetheart too.

[blackbahart]

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Here’s my other martini, it’s not as sexy as the op’s rifle as it’s still in uniform but it uses untrimmed .32-20 brass. Just a little bit shorter than a 357 max. It’s a sweetheart too.
have a 310 cadet in uniform..,,, but not as nice as yours pictured,,,trade off I guess

[Baltimoreed]

blackbahart, you’ve got a lot of whittling to do to get that huge block of wood down to a martini stock. I tried to find a decent military Cadet in .310 but folks wanted too much for them imo so I took a gamble on mine that was all there but a .32-20. I had read horror stories about rechambered Martinis but i had also read good stories. Either way you’ve got to make brass [or pay too much] but luckily mine does fine with plentiful .32-20 after its blown out. I use 30 carbine sizer dies, a homemade expander die and a .32-20 seater die. The only oddity is that i have to just barely run my loads back into another carbine sizer die [of course without a decapping pin] to get them to drop all the way into the chamber. I can’t measure a difference between the re-resized loads or the loads after just seating a bullet but it works.

[blackbahart]

yes forming brass from 32-30 to make the 310 cadet for my original ..As for you having to run the loaded case back through carbine sizing die to make them work so be it

yes there was a lot of whittling to get them to size LOL but they are just about finished .have one set fitted to my 7mm SM project and a bit more finishing left to go
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[Baltimoreed]

Very nice.

[john.k]

Not much forming to do....in fact my Greener takes 32/20 cases direct .....on some BSA s ,the rim recess in the barrel needs to be deepened about 10 thou......A great many of the US import were done before shipping,as this was a condition of sale ...a 32/20 round had to drop in......note 32/20 factory wont work ,bullet is too small......As to the result ,you can forget all the so called 32 magnums ,the lot are easily outdone by a 125gn PSP 8mm bullet ,and a compressed load of 296.