TV show mountian men 1911 vs buffalo

[RU shooter]

Anyone see the guy last night shooting a buffalo from horseback with his trusty 1911! The didn't show the actual shots on tv but showed him aiming at a full run beside the buff , must have shot him 7-8 times as the next scene showed the slide locked back.
Not the Ideal caliber but I guess it got the job done. I believe there were in Idaho . Is it even legal to hunt a buffalo with a semiauto pistol ?

[Snow ninja]

Isn't that what Buffalo Bore ammunition is made for?:mrgreen:

[garandsrus]

I saw that and was wondering what caliber the 1911 was. I am sure it helped that the range was 10yds or so, maybe less.

[Half Dog]

We used to aim at the flies that were buzzing around the buffalo heads. Going full stride, on horseback, wasn’t too hard so we started using only one round in the magazines. Fun times.

[gpidaho]

If there is a buffalo in Idaho it's either on the far east side over by Yellowstone Park or it's domestic on someone's ranch. As far as I know Buffalo are only killed here buy special permit or by Fish and Game when there's a threat to domestic livestock. Gp

[gon2shoot]

Wanna buy a bridge?

[Hannibal]

wanna buy a bridge?

lol !!!

[reloader28]

I have some NOE 255grRF that are running 920fps and always wanted to see what they would.
Since that is basically the equivalent of the old hot Colt load that supposedly would go thru a horse and kill the Indian

[RU shooter]

I guess it's a whole lot better than the native Indians that killed thousands with low powered primitive bows and chert arrow heads

[RGrosz]

I guess it's a whole lot better than the native Indians that killed thousands with low powered primitive bows and chert arrow heads

I heard that some of them bows that they shot had a draw weight of in the neighborhood of 90# to 100#. I don't know if it's true, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Rob

[M-Tecs]

http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/program/episodes/six/yellowhair.htm

But during his first campaign against the Cheyenne in 1867, his career had very nearly come to an end. Out hunting one day in the heart of Indian country, he galloped after a buffalo, aimed his revolver -- and somehow shot his own horse through the head. On foot, bruised and totally lost, he had to be rescued by his own men.

[Hannibal]

'Mountain Men', indeed. :roll:

That is for entertainment purposes only.

[JBinMN]

Didn't see it, don't watch TV & have not for many years, but it was TV, eh?. So, I guess it must be true... Kind of like before the internet where everything is true until it isn't.


I am for humanely killing game animals, birds, fish for consumption, BTW.

Quick & dead without waste.

Kind of makes me a bit mad/sad that someone had to do it as a "sport", filming just to "do it", then put it in a TV show, even if they used the animal afterwards.

Reminds me of some folks who , "butcher on the hoof" for deer with about 5-10 rounds thru the thing as it is running until it finally hits the ground & call it, "hunting".

Just killing it without care in the doing, and not caring about the meat,( or hide, etc.) & usually upon when asked, "Why did ya do it that way?", they say , "Aw, it is just gonna be burger anyway, why would anyone care? We been doing it for years..."

IMO, it is not cool...

But, YMMV, of course.

[salpal48]

My opinion. It take a big man to kill that way , It take a Bigger man " Not Too"

[tomme boy]

I have killed 1 deer with my 1911. The only reason was it was about 10yds. Straight between the eyes. But I have used it about 50 or so times to kill wounded deer we tracked. But that was standing over the deer. A few times it took SEVERAL shots to put them down. This was with 185gr +P Personal defense loads. I think they were Winchester Supreme. One wounded deer took 7 or so in the chest to put down. It kept getting up and running. about 10 yds or so and it kept falling. I was trying to get close enough to make it a one shot deal but the doe was not having it. That one still haunts me to this day.

[redneck1]

I don't hate to be the one to say , someone must .
If you've had to use a follow up shot on wounded ,tracked game of any sort 50+ times I do think it's time for you to stop hunting .

I'd guess one ,two ,even three times is forgivable . At that point a person with any sense would know they are doing something wrong
And take the effort to learn basic marksmanship and shot placement on the game they are pursuing.

[white eagle]

ouch !!

[Tatume]

NRA published an article last month about killing (I won't call it hunting) a Cape buffalo with a 45-70 lever gun. It works if the hunter can shoot; this one couldn't. Over the course of the day he shot the buff seven or eight times. He gut shot it, he shot it in the rump, he did everything but make a good shot. I would have been deeply ashamed if it had been me. He was proud of himself, and crowed about what great fun it was. All this was probably done with membership money to boot, a hunt I can't afford for myself.

[FLINTNFIRE]

Seen elk hunters do the same run into a area in the dark spook the elk out of there beds , then panic as it gets light and the fog lifts and him and his dad start blasting away , butt shot gut shot I put 2 in its chest to put it down for them , as by that time it was not feeling any pain and my father said he saw one cow buck when they were shooting as they were not waiting for the bull to be clear of the cows , why I do not hunt around others any more , poor shooting , poor firearms handling , no ethics , no morals , just kill something , I was raised to hunt for meat not for killing and bragging .

[Cast_outlaw]

In Canada we have caliber restrictions on what can be used on buffalo you need 2000ft/lb of energy remaining at 100 yards for buffalo

[white eagle]

using a 1911 on a buff is a stretch even for hollywood
but there are some who know no difference so in their
eyes this is fact
nice to see a show that at least mentions hunting and that food
is not all come from a grocery store

[tomme boy]

I don't hate to be the one to say , someone must .
If you've had to use a follow up shot on wounded ,tracked game of any sort 50+ times I do think it's time for you to stop hunting .

I'd guess one ,two ,even three times is forgivable . At that point a person with any sense would know they are doing something wrong
And take the effort to learn basic marksmanship and shot placement on the game they are pursuing.

You must not have ever hunted with a shotgun on deer drives. That was probably over a 1000 deer total so 50 deer that were not put down right there is about normal.

I would LOVE to see you shoot and kill a running deer and NEVER have a wounded one. So before you open your mouth I would do a little research on how a deer drive works.

[redneck1]

I did some math and basic research .... average lenght of gun season for deer is 13 days and average success rates hover around 50%

So I'm going to apologize to you , I guess to see 1000 deer shot on drives you've got roughly 60-70 years of hunting experience ( could go more or less depending on hunting group size ) and who can argue with that sort of experience.

I can't claim to be any sort of expert , I'm not what you'd call a hunter at all . Every few years I get a taste for venison and I go out and try my luck for a tasty young doe .
And lucky for me Ohio now allows us to use straight wall rifle cartridges . So no more shotguns which has made things easier.
And again not being an expert I fully understand that no one is perfect and you aren't going to drop every critter you shoot at right on the spot .
But having some ethics about what game I do persue I only take the shots that I am 100% confident in I felt the same even when still using a shotgun .
The way you hunt is no excuse for being less then that 100% confident in your shot .
The only way I'd excuse any less is the proverbial. .. four hungry children and no crops in the fields .

But hey that's my view ... and again I do apologise in humble respect for your vast experience.

[ol skool]

Anyone see the guy last night shooting a buffalo from horseback with his trusty 1911! The didn't show the actual shots on tv but showed him aiming at a full run beside the buff , must have shot him 7-8 times as the next scene showed the slide locked back.
Not the Ideal caliber but I guess it got the job done. I believe there were in Idaho . Is it even legal to hunt a buffalo with a semiauto pistol ?

Was it the same fellow that has his figure on the trigger in the 'hero' shots at the beginning of the show?

[tomme boy]

I did some math and basic research .... average lenght of gun season for deer is 13 days and average success rates hover around 50%

So I'm going to apologize to you , I guess to see 1000 deer shot on drives you've got roughly 60-70 years of hunting experience ( could go more or less depending on hunting group size ) and who can argue with that sort of experience.

I can't claim to be any sort of expert , I'm not what you'd call a hunter at all . Every few years I get a taste for venison and I go out and try my luck for a tasty young doe .
And lucky for me Ohio now allows us to use straight wall rifle cartridges . So no more shotguns which has made things easier.
And again not being an expert I fully understand that no one is perfect and you aren't going to drop every critter you shoot at right on the spot .
But having some ethics about what game I do persue I only take the shots that I am 100% confident in I felt the same even when still using a shotgun .
The way you hunt is no excuse for being less then that 100% confident in your shot .
The only way I'd excuse any less is the proverbial. .. four hungry children and no crops in the fields .

But hey that's my view ... and again I do apologise in humble respect for your vast experience.

We averaged about 20 guys in our group. And some years doe tags were as many as you wanted to buy. The #'s add up fast. We are not allowed just one deer. Some counties have 15K extra tags you can buy. Most all the guys we hunted with were farmers and their kids. We hunted their farms and they wanted ALL the deer to be gone because of the damage they do to the crops. One guy lost over a $100K in one year because of the deer. Now let that sink in. That was the reason for so many guys and so many seer that were shot.

And another thing. Most all the deer we donated to the food banks here. So say what you want. We were doing good for more than a few people. Probably more than most people have ever done in their lifetime.

[quilbilly]

A 45 cal round nose moving at over 900 fps has a lot of penetrating power. If the guy shot 6-7 times, at lease a couple boolits will get passed a rib to to drop the young bull. I do not approve of what that guy did but having raised bison for a few years for market, I know what is theoretically possible. Personally, I carried my trusty 444 with serious loads when I felt it necessary but even that wasn't enough when on foot on the wrong end of a running herd (a true primal experience) but living to tell the tale.

[Lloyd Smale]

I shot one with a 44 mag with a 250 kieth at 1100 fps and it died as fast as the ones ive shot with the 475s and 500s. Fasted kill ive seen on one was one day the buddy and I went to our friends fenced hunting deal to cull some pigs he didn't want. Thinking only pigs I took my 4 5/8s super loaded with lyman devestators at 1200 fps. Shot a couple pigs and we were about to leave when an 800 lb cow stepped out in the field about 30 yards away. Told dave I needed some meat for the freezer and said 800 bucks cash right now and ill take it home. He said go for it. I aimed right behind the shoulder and at the shot blood blew out of its mouth like a garden hose fully on and it tipped over on its nose right there dead. Dave asked me what the I was shooting. when I told him a 44 mag he shook his head. He said he seen them hit with 338s and even his 416 with similar shot placement and watched them keep eating. I myself shot one with a 500 one day and at the shot it put its head down and started eating. didn't even flinch. I knew I hit it because I could see a blood spot where it hit. It took 3 steps put its head down to eat again and fell over dead. There basically to big to see shock. Put a bullet in the vitals and they die but sometimes they just don't know there dead. Would I hunt one with a 1911. Nope. Not intentionaly. But then I would show up to hunt buffalo with a 44 mag either.

[10x]

There is a world of difference in meat from an animal that is killed humanely with 1 shot compared to an animal that is running, stressed, and wounded. Oxygen starved muscle with an excess of lactic acid has a much different flavor once cooked.
Bottom line, quick humane kill of an unstressed animal combined with quick cooling of the meat and getting the blood out gives much better eating later.

Take a shot at a running animal - not worth the risk of wounding and tracking
But maybe I am just lazy

[KCSO]

Just like a Russian Prince? Great way to show ethical hunting to the folks? I hope they do a Custer shoot next and drop their own horse!

[white eagle]

standard practice for me never to shoot a running animal
or do deer drives never been a fan
some do it that way more power to em
never been a group hunter

[KCSO]

White Eagle
I agree I have yet to take a critter into the locker plant and say, be sure and run him around the building a few times before you butcher.

[richhodg66]

standard practice for me never to shoot a running animal
or do deer drives never been a fan
some do it that way more power to em
never been a group hunter

This.

[Finster101]

Hey, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

[Kent Fowler]

Most likely his 1911 was a 10mm. The round is gaining popularity with the Alaskan folks.

[Sig556r]

7 shots to put down a wounded deer seems much...

[dverna]

Seen elk hunters do the same run into a area in the dark spook the elk out of there beds , then panic as it gets light and the fog lifts and him and his dad start blasting away , butt shot gut shot I put 2 in its chest to put it down for them , as by that time it was not feeling any pain and my father said he saw one cow buck when they were shooting as they were not waiting for the bull to be clear of the cows , why I do not hunt around others any more , poor shooting , poor firearms handling , no ethics , no morals , just kill something , I was raised to hunt for meat not for killing and bragging .

It is more common than it should be. It bothers me when I see crap like that happen. I saw a guy shoot an elk as you describe. Pitiful.

[Lloyd Smale]

don't know. When I was young an so was everyone at camp we shot ALOT of deer doing deer drives and I ate lots of great tasting venison that came from those deer shot running. Now what I will agree to is meat on a deer that's wounded and chased miles can be a bit wilder tasting. But id bet you a dime to a hundred bucks I could take two 100 lb does and cut the back straps out of both and throw them on the grill. One shot and dropped in its tracks and one shot bounding away from me in the woods and you aren't going to tell me which is which unless your a lucky guesser. Ill make the same bet between a deer dropped in its tracks and one that ran a 100 yards at the shot then died. Never shoot a running animal? good advice because most cant hit them in the vitals and more gut shots will occur which can taint the taste of the meat. But look at it like this. Ive shot lots of deer. At least half of them run away at the shot. Wouldn't they all taste as bad as a deer I jumped in the brush and shot. Those deer already shot are a lot more stressed then that deer I kicked out of the high grass. Just more wives tales like having to age venison. Now shoot a running deer in the guts chase it for a mile find it and chase it another 1/2mile and shoot it 2 or 3 more times to kill it then take it home and hang it on a tree limb out back of the garage for a week and cut it down and I can about guarantee you some crappy venison.

[pmer]

45 ACP should work great for up close wounded deer. Imho I'd just use a heavier boolit and not use the 185 grain HP self defense ammo.

[dverna]

standard practice for me never to shoot a running animal
or do deer drives never been a fan
some do it that way more power to em
never been a group hunter

Glad to see I am not the only one who thinks this way.

I am a very good shot but will not take a risky shot and never a shot at a running animal...unless I have wounded it, or it is charging me, or I am desperate for food.

[osteodoc08]

I’ve seen one deer shot on the run. It was by my father. He was using his Ruger No1 in 338 WM. I prepared to shoot but didn’t need to. The deer stumbled and crashed hard. Plowed up what seemed like 10 yards of dirt. Hit the deer in the right rear rib cage and ended up in the left shoulder. Still have the bullet somewhere. Sure do miss dad. Today’s his birthday and he would have been 64.

That being said, let’s keep the comments civil.

[Lloyd Smale]

someone on another forum said it was a 45 super. If so you licking on the heals of a 44mag. Guess you have to keep in mind too that he was only about 5 yards away from it and hitting the vitals on an animal that big would be about automatic. My guess is even a plus p 200 grain cast load would get into the vitals under those conditions. Anyway im not the ethics police. If he did it and it was legal it was his business. Pretty obvious it worked.
Most likely his 1911 was a 10mm. The round is gaining popularity with the Alaskan folks.