Parker 10 gauge 4 frame 34" barrels

[6pt-sika]

A few months ago I saw Rock Island had a 4 frame top lever hammer gun in 10 gauge with 34" barrels . So I decided to bid and was able to acquire the gun .I however failed to ask enough questions before the auction since I wasn't able to attend . Upon receiving the gun I found out the gun had been restocked , the upper tang had been extended and the rib was up slightly in the first couple inches at the muzzle . The gun also had Remington hammers instead of proper Parker hammers , you could see that part in the two pictures . As much as I'd like to blame RIA I plain and simple didn't ask enough questions prior to the fact . You can also see two buckshot patterns fired at 25 yards both were shooting well below point of aim with the rib poking up slightly .

[6pt-sika]

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Its a little hard to see but the gun is in the first picture with the new hammers and retention screws in place . The other two pics show the rib straightened out !

[6pt-sika]

This afternoon I went out to try the refurbished barrel at 25 yards with some 00 buck loads . FWIW these loads were in brand new never fired REM hulls .244318244319244320244321

While the patterns are by no means spectacular they do meet my parameters and the POI has shifted nicely .

[6pt-sika]

I do not get why some forums download pics side ways !

[Markopolo]

Wow.. Nice fix it Job on a good gun.. sure wish I had one of them for geese shooting.. very cool sir...

[besk]

If those are damascus barrels I would not recommend shooting modern loaded shells in it.

[6pt-sika]

If those are damascus barrels I would not recommend shooting modern loaded shells in it.

They're not Damascus they're steel twist .

And no I don't load for 3 1/2" 10 gauge besides they'd never chamber in the gun .All my loads are for 2 7/8" .

Look at my avatar picture all of those are Parker 10 gauge doubles of which three are Damascus and one is steel twist . And yes I load for them as well .

[6pt-sika]

Wow.. Nice fix it Job on a good gun.. sure wish I had one of them for geese shooting.. very cool sir...

In the picture that you see two guns on a table . The other is a Parker DH 10 gauge circa 1889 on a 3 frame with 32" barrels . Anyway the fellow that fixed the rib on the hammer gun also refreshed the barrels on the DH . Someone in their infinite wisdom before I got the gun saw fit to rust blue the Damascus barrels and the action . Now the barrels pattern looks refreshed and visible , but I still need to get some Vapo-Rust remover stuff and get the blueing off the action . Don't think I'll recolor case but one never knows . Incidently I have another Parker DH circa 1889 coming from the Rock Island auction from last week it's also a 10 gauge but on a 2 frame with 30" barrels and yes this time I asked a BOATLOAD of questions LOL's !

[6pt-sika]

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A not very good picture of the DH barrels after being refreshed . Those barrels ring as true as any I have and are relatively shiney on the inside . This one shot pretty well on paper and other then stripping the action it needs a recoil pad . Someone replaced the stock before the guy I got it from acquired it and somewhere along the road it lost the skeleton buttplate . So since its not the correct stock for the gun I'll just put a pad on it .

[6pt-sika]

A few pics to see the action on the DH with blueing which at some point has gotta go !

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The engraving is worn to say the least but if you were 130 years old a used a good bit you'd be worn as well :bigsmyl2:

[45workhorse]

Mighty 'Purdy' shotgun:kidding:

[6pt-sika]

Mighty 'Purdy' shotgun:kidding:

Thanks ! I actually have several Brit shotguns but sorry to say no Purdy , Holland or Boss in the bunch . A few W&C Scott’s a Greener and a Westley Richards .

[725]

Sounds like a nice collection. Way to go !

[Tripplebeards]

Sweet I have a 1890’s all original Charles Daly SxS 10 gauge with Damascus barrels I bought at a yard sale years ago for $50 missing a hammer. I let a buddy who is a smith and owns a shop take it with him the last time he came here down bow hunting along with a pair of hammers I bought from Dixie gun works to install. I plan on taking a turkey with it and hanging it on the wall after that. I bought some 2 7/8” #5’s preloaded from some company I forgot to try once it’s done. They are downloaded to be equivalent to black powder loads.

[6pt-sika]

Sweet I have a 1890’s all original Charles Daly SxS 10 gauge with Damascus barrels I bought at a yard sale years ago for $50 missing a hammer. I let a buddy who is a smith and owns a shop take it with him the last time he came here down bow hunting along with a pair of hammers I bought from Dixie gun works to install. I plan on taking a turkey with it and hanging it on the wall after that. I bought some 2 7/8” #5’s preloaded from some company I forgot to try once it’s done. They are downloaded to be equivalent to black powder loads.

Cool ! You most likely bought RST shells .

[Tripplebeards]

Yes! RST was the brand.

[Drm50]

Did a job in WVa a couple months ago. Elderly lady has a Ithaca 10g box lock with 32" barrels. Gun is solid and nice bores. She has several boxes of shells Remington Sure Shot, boxes look to be prewar. I'm working on getting this gun but I never gave a thought about it possibly being a twist barrel. If so I have no interest in it.

[6pt-sika]

Did a job in WVa a couple months ago. Elderly lady has a Ithaca 10g box lock with 32" barrels. Gun is solid and nice bores. She has several boxes of shells Remington Sure Shot, boxes look to be prewar. I'm working on getting this gun but I never gave a thought about it possibly being a twist barrel. If so I have no interest in it.

I’ve got an Ithaca NID Grade 2 10 gauge that was made in the 20’s it has fluid steel barrels . But bear in mind just because it might have fluid steel barrels does not mean it has 3 1/2” chambers . Although Ithaca did make some fluid steel guns with 3 1/2” chambers .

[Drm50]

I haven't really got a chance to look at guns fine points. Don't want to show to much excitement over it . I'm know it's not a 31/2" am not sure it's 3". Don't have a lot of experience with 10g guns. Have had several Ithaca 12s and I would say this gun is around 1920s production. One Ithaca 12g was a short chambered bird gun. I had it reamed for 23/4". Gun is the plain field grade.

[wildflilghts]

6 pt. Can you post up a full size pic of your avatar? Always like admiring the 10's. I have three but only one that's interesting, an old LC.

[6pt-sika]

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Those are the same four in all the pics above top is a 1889 Parker EH 10 gauge on a 2 frame 30" , next a circa 1890 Parker NH 10 gauge 3 frame 32" , second from bottom is a circa 1891 Parker EH 10 gauge with factory original 28" barrels and lastly at the bottom a circa 1899 Parker EH 10 gauge 3 frame 32" .

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These two last pics are more recent at the top a circa 1902 Parker EH 10 gauge with factory original 34" barrels , then the 1899 32" from the above pic , then the 1889 30" from the above pic and at the bottom the 1891 28" that's pictured above . They made a very few EH 10's with factory original 26" barrels and fewer yet with factory original 24" barrels I'd really like to have one of each .

The 34" is one of only 14 or so in the EH grade with 34" , the 28" EH is one of only 70 or so EH's with original 28" barrels . If I can find an EH with 26" barrels it's only about 16 or so of them made and the 24" EH they made less then 10 . So I doubt if I ever see an EH 26" or 24" much less acquire either !

[6pt-sika]

Circa 1884 Parker Grade 2 10 gauge 3 frame with 32" .

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Circa 1883 Parker Grade 0 10 gauge 2 frame 30" ,


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Circa 1881 Parker Grade 2 10 gauge 3 frame 30" lifter gun ,

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Circa 1881 Parker Grade 1 10 gauge 2 frame 30" lifter ,

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[6pt-sika]

I have a pair of Parker DH 10 gauges both made in 1889 . One is a 3 frame with 32" barrels that I just had the barrels redone , someone broke the stock years ago and restocked it . It was also rust blued barrels and action hence the reason I had the barrels refinished I'll eventually strip the action myself .

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A pic of the DH from the Gunbroker auction where I purchased it .

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I have the second Parker DH 10 gauge coming from the most recent Rock Island Auction and it's a 2 frame with 30" barrels in somewhat I think better shape . Still has the original stock and hasn't been rust blued .

[6pt-sika]

Circa 1890 LC Smith Quality 2 10 gauge 30" barrels .

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Ithaca NID Grade 2 Super 10 circa 1920's .

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Circa 1881 W&C Scott 10 gauge that belonged to my maternal grandfather . First deer I ever plunked with buckshot much less handloaded buckshot . This one was with if memory serves 9 pellets of Hornady 00 pushed with 30 grains of SR7625 .

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[Tripplebeards]

Here’s a pic of my Charles Daly $50 garage sale find before I sent it with my smith. It had one brazed hammer in tact and was pretty rusty. I cleaned and polished it. I soaked the action in oil to the triggers and hammer operational again. From what I researched it was made around 1890? Pretty plain with no fancy markings on it...maybe I polished them off? It’s a 2 7/8” SxS 10 gauge with Damascus barrels. If I remember the barrels are 32” or 34”. I think granny used it on the porch in every which way but loose!

http://i.imgur.com/ltgRlAi.jpg

[Tripplebeards]

I’d really like to start loading for this gun but need 10 gauge loading tools if anyone has any PM me. I’d like some all brass cases as well.

[6pt-sika]

I’d really like to start loading for this gun but need 10 gauge loading tools if anyone has any PM me. I’d like some all brass cases as well.

Go to Track of the Wolf for brass cases . They are not inexpensive . I had thirty or so old brass WIN 10 gauge cases and sold/traded them to a friend . I find the nice new REM plastic hulls suit my needs just fine for birdshot , slugs , buckshot and Bismuth .

[skeettx]

Watching I hope Drm50 can get the shotgun and give us an update on model
https://ithacagun.com/serial-numbers/

[6pt-sika]

Watching I hope Drm50 can get the shotgun and give us an update on model
https://ithacagun.com/serial-numbers/
One of these years I’ll eventually get an Ithaca NID Mag 10 to go with my NID Super 10 .

[Tripplebeards]

Go to Track of the Wolf for brass cases . They are not inexpensive . I had thirty or so old brass WIN 10 gauge cases and sold/traded them to a friend . I find the nice new REM plastic hulls suit my needs just fine for birdshot , slugs , buckshot and Bismuth .

I have boxes of old plastic shells. I’ve had 4 browning golds and one pump on and off since the 90’s. I’m down to my National wild turkey federation edition 23” browning gold 10 gauge. I only use it for turkeys. It will throw a federal slug on the 10x to 75 yards with the factory full choke. Ridiculous accuracy, after that it wanders.

[wildflilghts]

Thanks for posting the pics. How would you ever pic a favorite? Very nice!

[6pt-sika]

Thanks for posting the pics. How would you ever pic a favorite? Very nice!

That’s very easy ! That W&C Scott that I inherited from my grandfathers estate . Not because of value but rather the fact that it was his and I’ve known it all my life . And that’s also the gun that started me down the cursed path of loading for damascus/twist guns with 2 7/8” 10 gauge LOL’s !

[6pt-sika]

I have boxes of old plastic shells. I’ve had 4 browning golds and one pump on and off since the 90’s. I’m down to my National wild turkey federation edition 23” browning gold 10 gauge. I only use it for turkeys. It will throw a federal slug on the 10x to 75 yards with the factory full choke. Ridiculous accuracy, after that it wanders.


Be aware if you decide to start reloading and you use the hulls from “the old shells” back in the 60’s and further back REM used a different primer than a 209 it was also a slight bit smaller in diameter. I have some and have loaded them and you can get 209’s in the primer pockets but most will advise against it . Think it was a REM 57 primer that fit them .

[Tripplebeards]

All My shells are from 89’ and newer

[quail4jake]

This is a great thread for me as I am looking at an 1887 Parker in 10 gauge and really excited about the possibility of handloading 10 ga 2 7/8" shells. Can you please share some wisdom and experiences about smokeless low pressure loading for the "old time" 10? Thanks!

[6pt-sika]

This is a great thread for me as I am looking at an 1887 Parker in 10 gauge and really excited about the possibility of handloading 10 ga 2 7/8" shells. Can you please share some wisdom and experiences about smokeless low pressure loading for the "old time" 10? Thanks!
I’ve got two basic loads I use . The first I got from a Ross Seyfried article in Handloaded twenty years ago , but it calls for SR7625 and you can’t get that anymore . Now I just happen to have 15-20 pounds of SR7625 I bought up after they quit selling it so I’m set . That load is for 1 1/4 ounce of shot and 30 grains of powder . I’ve adapted it to buckshot , slugs and Bismuth . I’ve even gone so far as making some 1 1/2 ounce loads with the same powder charge for turkey and of course some of the slugs I loaf are more than an ounce and a quarter . You can get the components for my other load using Red Dot , in that one I load 1 1/8 ounce shot pushed with 18.5-19 grains of powder . Also use the SP-10 wad with 2 or 3 16 gauge 1/8” card wads in the bottom of the shot cup I also unecisseraly use an overshot card under the folded crimp just to keep it flat . Anyway that 1 1/8 ounce load works great on skeet trap sporting dove and quail with low pressure and hardly any recoil . I have MEC 600 JR and a Sizemaster for the 10 gauge but I’ve about come to the conclusion if the creek don’t rise and the good Lords willing I’m gonna get a nice new Ponsness Warren LS-1000 10 gauge but set for 2 7/8” . I’ll still load buckshot slugs and Bismuth on the single stage press but the Red Dot stuff is rather do on a progressive . And if I get one I may even back the light load down to 1 ounce or even 7/8 ounce . Just to cut down on shot and big mouthed folks that say “you’re shooting a garbage can full of shot” . Now of course you can do the same thing with chamber inserts for 12 and 20 gauge shells but I just like loading those big green REM hulls .

[quail4jake]

Thanks so much! Great help for a new fella to the 10 ga fraternity. You answered many questions...P-W for a progressive loader, no more SR 7625 :cry:, 1 1/8 oz load with Red Dot, lighter loads for skeet etc... Any chance that any Hodgdon powders may fit? How about " The Royal Black", I am loading2 3/4 dr. Swiss FFg with 1 oz shot in roll crimped English loads for our 12 bore 1890 Parry Arms hammer gun with great results, 10 ga load? Thanks again...

[6pt-sika]

Thanks so much! Great help for a new fella to the 10 ga fraternity. You answered many questions...P-W for a progressive loader, no more SR 7625 :cry:, 1 1/8 oz load with Red Dot, lighter loads for skeet etc... Any chance that any Hodgdon powders may fit? How about " The Royal Black", I am loading2 3/4 dr. Swiss FFg with 1 oz shot in roll crimped English loads for our 12 bore 1890 Parry Arms hammer gun with great results, 10 ga load? Thanks again...

Some guys I know use Universal Clays . But those are s bit more stout . I don’t load any BP in a cartridge shotgun , nothing wrong if a person wants to I just don’t care to .

[6pt-sika]

You realize a PW LS-1000 10 gauge is about $1300 now plus I think $50 at the factory to set it up 2 7/8” instead of 3 1/2” .

[quail4jake]

Ouch! Well, maybe I can find one at a yard sale...or maybe I'll just cough it up after the $ 10,900 for the Parker. Look at it this way; I don't play golf! I'm sure my wife will agree, don't you think? Thanks again, let me know if you can find data for Universal etc.[smilie=s:

[6pt-sika]

I went to the range last Wednesday to change some scopes and sight in the rifles so I drug my 4 frame along , Wanted to pattern it from the bench with slugs I cast from a mold I got from Bikerbeans a few months ago . I forgot the diameter but it's a 630 grain solid base he had cut for a 12 gauge . however it works fairly well sitting inside an SP-10 shotcup for my 10 gauge guns much like the Russian 10 gauge version of the Lyman 525 sabot slug I also have . Anyway I shot two 3 shot groups from the right barrel and two 3 shot groups from the left barrel all at 25 yards . I was pleased with the results .

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[6pt-sika]

Alsao shot a group from each barrel with handloaded 00 and 000 buck but with the petals removed from the shotcups and a mylar .003" wrap .

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[W.R.Buchanan]

So you have a 10 ga Lyman Pellet type Slug Mould? That should knock 'em down! The flat on the nose of those dumps all the slugs energy instantly on contact. I have loaded a bunch of these and sold them to friends who go out and shoot watermelons and jugs of water and other fun stuff. They say the effects are impressive and devastating, and keep coming back for more. We can't shoot game in CA with lead slugs so they just plink with them. At $1 each I'll make all they can shoot.

I fail to see how anything survives a hit by one of these. And a hit by a 10 ga could only be worse.

Randy

[6pt-sika]

So you have a 10 ga Lyman Pellet type Slug Mould? That should knock 'em down! The flat on the nose of those dumps all the slugs energy instantly on contact. I have loaded a bunch of these and sold them to friends who go out and shoot watermelons and jugs of water and other fun stuff. They say the effects are impressive and devastating, and keep coming back for more. We can't shoot game in CA with lead slugs so they just plink with them. At $1 each I'll make all they can shoot.

I fail to see how anything survives a hit by one of these. And a hit by a 10 ga could only be worse.

Randy

I have the Lyman sabot style mold for the 10 12 , 16 and 20 . The 20 is the only one that’s an actual Lyman mold , the 10 and 16 were made by the rooskies and the 12 is an NOE four cavity . I suspect eventually I’ll get a rooskie 28 gauge version .