bedbugbilly
06-23-2019, 09:44 PM
I'm posting this here thinking I might get more experiences and input . . .
I have cast for 55 years - a "dipper" and low tech - plain lead for RB and range lead for my conicals for pistol, etc. I have always tumble lubed in paste wax / alox - pretty low tech.
I'm downsizing due to age and circumstances and have sold some guns off I not longer use and am just going to stick with a few calibers. My goal is to have 38/357 and 45 L in both handgun and lever gun - thinking of a '66 Winchester in 38 special to go with my Uberti '51 R & M conversion, a 357 lever gun ( just bought a Henry BB steel 20") to go with y Uberti 247 Bisley and a 45 LC lever gun to go with my Uberti 7 1/2" Cattleman.
So I'll concentrate on the 357 but I'm sure it will apply to all of those.
I've never had a problem in "leading" with any of my reloads/guns - .380, 9mm, 38/357, 45 LC or my rifles in 30-30 and 8mm. I do not load "max" and don't push 'em hard - mainly plinking rounds these days.
So - for my 357s, I'm on a group buy for a NOE 358-158 RNFP mold but don't know when they'll be run so I ordered a Lee 2 cavity 358-125 RF and a 2 cavity 358-158 RF. While the Henry is classified as a 38/357, I'm only going to be using 357 brass and start by loading at 38 special loads - just plinking and paper punching - not pushing them hard and hopefully coming up with a load that will work well in both the Bisley and the Henry.
Yesterday, I cast about 300 of the 158 gr RF and maybe 50 of the 125 RG. Loaded some dummy rounds in the 357 cases and they fed and cycled like butter in the Henry.
So here's the catch. I'm older, I'm not enjoying castigates as much as I'm a "dipper" and stand to cast - resulting in a sore back, etc. As I'm doing all of the prep - casting, TL ing, etc. - I'm thinking that for what I am going to be shooting, maybe my time is better spent purchasing ready made boolits of the same design. I've given some thought to buying a lubesizer but really question if I'm going to use it enough to have it pay for itself.
So . . . . I know the velocity out of the 20" Henry barrel will be higher than out of the Bisley. In the past, I tried some PC's boolits from vendors here for 9mm and 380 - I did so with an "open mind" even though I'm a "old codger" - results? I was impressed with the PC'd boolits and even though I have an ample supply of them cast up for the 9 and the 380, when they get low, I think I am out going to order some PC'd boolits again and be done with it.
So this is not a start of a dispute on which is better as far as TL, conventional lube or PC'd.
My questions are in relation to the PC'd first. I had no leading or issues in the 9 and 380. Will the longer 20" barrel, with increased velocity be any different - i.e. as compared to a conventional lubed boolit (groove filled) will the increased velocity on a plain based PC'd boolit not shot to max have any advantage or disadvantage? If that makes any sense? I would imagine that I will hopefully keep the velocity down to 1100 FPS or so out of the rifle but that's a guesstimate on my part.
I don't have the time nor the room to do PCing so have no interest in getting started, but would buy PC if they will work equal/better than conventional lubed boolit.
Another question . . . and this is not "anti PC" in any way . . . but being what I would consider "new" as compared to several centuries of conventional lubed boolits . . . has anyone ever done a study of "wear"on a bore of PC versus conventional lubed boolits? I'm guessing there is no difference as I know many have shot 1,000s of PC'd boolits through their handguns and I've never seen a thread (if any exist) on bore wear.
If any of you shoot rifle in pistol calibers - 38, 357, 45, etc. - what have your experiences been between TL, conventional lubed and PC'd boolits? If both seem to shoot the same, I will probably order a K of the PC'd 158 gr. RNFP to try, if for no other reason than I don't have to worry about the conventional lubed ones drying out when I am in AZ as I'll take some with e to reload out there as well.
An experiences between the two types of lubing out of pistol cartridge rifles would be appreciated.
Thanks.
I have cast for 55 years - a "dipper" and low tech - plain lead for RB and range lead for my conicals for pistol, etc. I have always tumble lubed in paste wax / alox - pretty low tech.
I'm downsizing due to age and circumstances and have sold some guns off I not longer use and am just going to stick with a few calibers. My goal is to have 38/357 and 45 L in both handgun and lever gun - thinking of a '66 Winchester in 38 special to go with my Uberti '51 R & M conversion, a 357 lever gun ( just bought a Henry BB steel 20") to go with y Uberti 247 Bisley and a 45 LC lever gun to go with my Uberti 7 1/2" Cattleman.
So I'll concentrate on the 357 but I'm sure it will apply to all of those.
I've never had a problem in "leading" with any of my reloads/guns - .380, 9mm, 38/357, 45 LC or my rifles in 30-30 and 8mm. I do not load "max" and don't push 'em hard - mainly plinking rounds these days.
So - for my 357s, I'm on a group buy for a NOE 358-158 RNFP mold but don't know when they'll be run so I ordered a Lee 2 cavity 358-125 RF and a 2 cavity 358-158 RF. While the Henry is classified as a 38/357, I'm only going to be using 357 brass and start by loading at 38 special loads - just plinking and paper punching - not pushing them hard and hopefully coming up with a load that will work well in both the Bisley and the Henry.
Yesterday, I cast about 300 of the 158 gr RF and maybe 50 of the 125 RG. Loaded some dummy rounds in the 357 cases and they fed and cycled like butter in the Henry.
So here's the catch. I'm older, I'm not enjoying castigates as much as I'm a "dipper" and stand to cast - resulting in a sore back, etc. As I'm doing all of the prep - casting, TL ing, etc. - I'm thinking that for what I am going to be shooting, maybe my time is better spent purchasing ready made boolits of the same design. I've given some thought to buying a lubesizer but really question if I'm going to use it enough to have it pay for itself.
So . . . . I know the velocity out of the 20" Henry barrel will be higher than out of the Bisley. In the past, I tried some PC's boolits from vendors here for 9mm and 380 - I did so with an "open mind" even though I'm a "old codger" - results? I was impressed with the PC'd boolits and even though I have an ample supply of them cast up for the 9 and the 380, when they get low, I think I am out going to order some PC'd boolits again and be done with it.
So this is not a start of a dispute on which is better as far as TL, conventional lube or PC'd.
My questions are in relation to the PC'd first. I had no leading or issues in the 9 and 380. Will the longer 20" barrel, with increased velocity be any different - i.e. as compared to a conventional lubed boolit (groove filled) will the increased velocity on a plain based PC'd boolit not shot to max have any advantage or disadvantage? If that makes any sense? I would imagine that I will hopefully keep the velocity down to 1100 FPS or so out of the rifle but that's a guesstimate on my part.
I don't have the time nor the room to do PCing so have no interest in getting started, but would buy PC if they will work equal/better than conventional lubed boolit.
Another question . . . and this is not "anti PC" in any way . . . but being what I would consider "new" as compared to several centuries of conventional lubed boolits . . . has anyone ever done a study of "wear"on a bore of PC versus conventional lubed boolits? I'm guessing there is no difference as I know many have shot 1,000s of PC'd boolits through their handguns and I've never seen a thread (if any exist) on bore wear.
If any of you shoot rifle in pistol calibers - 38, 357, 45, etc. - what have your experiences been between TL, conventional lubed and PC'd boolits? If both seem to shoot the same, I will probably order a K of the PC'd 158 gr. RNFP to try, if for no other reason than I don't have to worry about the conventional lubed ones drying out when I am in AZ as I'll take some with e to reload out there as well.
An experiences between the two types of lubing out of pistol cartridge rifles would be appreciated.
Thanks.