10ga super buck

[bikerbeans]

Anybody loading pellets larger the 000 for 10ga? My son whose motto is "too much isn't close to enough" wants me to load some super buck loads for a modern sxs 10ga. I checked and i can fit (14) 0.375" round balls (2.5 oz payload) in a 3.5" hull. There is enough room for a powder charge that would kill on both ends. If anyone has been down this road please post your results or PM them to me.

BB

[Buzz Krumhunger]

I have grown accustomed to having my retinas attached in their proper place, so I can’t help you.

;)

[richhodg66]

Yikes!

[725]

If it's not in a reputable load data book, there might just be a reason. Stay safe.

[trapper9260]

If it's not in a reputable load data book, there might just be a reason. Stay safe.

I say the same as you . Weight out the shot to make it equal to what the load data is and then fill in the rest space with spacers. I would not push it with the 10.I have one also that is a SxS and I do not push the load from the data there is for it. I also have the data for to load them in 2 7/8" but have not use it yet. I mainly just load it to 3 1/2" .

[GhostHawk]

Imagine getting shot with 14 .38 special revolvers in the chest at the same time.
The 10 ga probably has more speed.

I think if it was me rather than pushing for a max load, I'd be building a light tatical load. 8-10 of those shot with a slightly light powder charge, and either cornmeal or buffer around the shot. I like cornmeal because it works, its food for the critters, and it will be gone, undetectable in a year. Unlike plastic buffers.

For my 12 ga I do roughly the same thing. 9 #1 buckshot that self stacks in 3 groups of 3. Powder charge backed down from 21 gr of Red Dot to 18. Lighter, easier on the user, but still deadly serious on the receiving end.

But its your dime and your time so make yourself happy.

[6pt-sika]

I’ve loaded the 10 gauge with 0000 (.380”) and 00000 (.397”) that I cast and killed deer with both . Plunked a doe at about 23 yards last season with the 0000 stuff and knocked over a smallish doe at about fifteen yards with the 00000 stuff three seasons ago . 242454 That’s the one with 0000 from last season used a Parker EH 10 gauge with factory original 28” barrels choked cylinder and light modified .

[6pt-sika]

OBTW , what I loaded isn’t in 3 1/2” hulls but rather 2 7/8” . Six pellets of 00000 or eight of 0000 .

[longbow]

I'm with richhodg66... YIKES! Indeed!

I have to say the 10 ga. with 000 or larger buckshot must be a force to reckon with! Even with a relatively light load that is a lot of largish balls flying! Talk about an alley cleaner!

Longbow

[6pt-sika]

I'm with richhodg66... YIKES! Indeed!

I have to say the 10 ga. with 000 or larger buckshot must be a force to reckon with! Even with a relatively light load that is a lot of largish balls flying! Talk about an alley cleaner!

Longbow

I’m 100% sure the six 00000 pellets I shot the little doe with all found the mark at 15 yards . And I’m 99% sure the eight 0000 pellets found there mark as well I the deer pictured above . As to recoil , the thump from these loads is no different then any other 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 ounce load I’ve put together for my 10’s . Now I will say a couple of the slugs thump a bit more but all the slugs buckshot and birdshot loads use 29-30 grains of SR7625 .

[bikerbeans]

6 pt,

Did you use a wrap and or buffer with your 0000 and 00000 loads? I can load the 0.375" balls in layers of 2 and use a 0.01" wrap with buffer or i can load them without a wrap.

BB

[M-Tecs]

I had this site saved for a while as an example of someone that gives hunters a bad name. It does have some of the info you are looking for.

http://www.angelfire.com/mech/0000_super_buckshot/


I have been searching quite a while for a load, which would stretch out the distance for those long shotgun shots. Having watched two truly great bucks laugh at me as my 000 pellets rained down in a swamp twenty yards before them as I shot six times each at them, convinced me I needed something which would have more knock down power at greater distances than a shotgun is supposed to be used. I am not a proponent of shooting long range (150 yards +) at deer for fear of just wounding the animal, but there are those instances when you see a monster and you just have to try. On the day above, the deer were absolutely memorable. The first deer I just herded to my friend Bob who had a 30-yard shot. The deer measured 30 mm in diameter at the base of the antlers with 7 1/2 inch G2s and an 18-inch spread. It was a perfect eight point deer and largest he had ever shot. The other deer, his twin, just leapt away laughing. This set me on a quest to find larger shot.

[6pt-sika]

6 pt,

Did you use a wrap and or buffer with your 0000 and 00000 loads? I can load the 0.375" balls in layers of 2 and use a 0.01" wrap with buffer or i can load them without a wrap.

BB
Yes on both accounts I use a .003” Mylar wrap with both sizes and a buffer . I also use the Remington SP-10 wad but remove the petals (shot cup).

[Petander]

Discussions like this really whet my appetite for the Pressure Trace system.

Dear Santa...

[Cap'n Morgan]

M-Tecs,

For a fleeting moment I thought that site you mention was some sort of satire or some anti-hunters idea of putting hunters in a bad light. Sadly, the guy seems to be for real. "...but there are those instances when you see a monster and you just have to try". Absolutely disgusting!

[bikerbeans]

M-Tecs,

For a fleeting moment I thought that site you mention was some sort of satire or some anti-hunters idea of putting hunters in a bad light. Sadly, the guy seems to be for real. "...but there are those instances when you see a monster and you just have to try". Absolutely disgusting!

His email addy is on that site, maybe it is still valid. I am thinking he needs to hear from some real hunters.

BB

[bikerbeans]

6pt,

Have you recovered any of the wraps? If so, does it look like they actually protect the RBs from flat spotting in the bore? I guess recovered RBs from the right medium would provide that answer too.

BB

[Hogtamer]

BB, as you know I have loaded all manner of buckshot. The key to success seems to be 1) a 2 stack of HARD shot; 2) moderate velocitiy; 3) buffer. Powder charge dictated by equivalent weight, fast lead shot load which is generally a slow ish powder. If 3/8 balls will 2-stack in a standard 10 ga wad I would put enough buffer in the bottom to cover interior base of cup and start stackin. It's ok to go above shotcuup for a stack. Add buffer and shake down even with top of shot then thin overshot, fold crimp. Load constructed like this shoot best out of full choke. You can get more pellets in 3 stacks of varying heights but I have never seen them pattern as well. Here's 70% of 00 in a 10" circle at 40 yds constructed this way.

PS: I have never gotten good result from wraps vs wadcups.

[Tripplebeards]

I own two 10 gauges. I’ve used them for coyote hunting along with my 12 gauges. The biggest issue I’ve always had is any thing bigger than number four buck will not hold an acceptable pattern past 30/35 yards. I can keep 6 pellets of number four buck in a 5” circle at 60 yards out of my 12 gauge beretta silver mallard and beretta using a kicks .680 goblin thunder choke tube. Double 00 buck I’m lucky to put one or two pellets in a pie plate at 30 yards with both 10’s and my 12’s ...and that’s trying with over 2 dozen different chokes. Smaller is better IMO. My 10’s definitely hit harder I’ll give them that but I’d take #4 buck VS 00 or bigger all day long when shooting farther than 30 yards. The big federal slugs I can hit very accurate at 75 yards out of my 10 gauge browning gold 23” barrel nation turkey federation with a factory full choke. If I use a modified or improved cylinder their all over the place. You just have to check check your choke for looseness every couple of rounds. I’m going to try plumbers tape on them eventually. To me, 00 buck pellets and bigger are designed for a home defense round round and are made for under 20 yards or your groups are going to blow all over the place. My load of choice? Lead BB, I’ve dropped coyotes DRT at 65 plus yards with them and one at 109 yards that broke both rear legs using HD BB shot. You Can’t hit something that won’t hold a pattern...and the big stuff that’s fun to shoot isn’t going to hold a pattern worth a didly imo.

[M-Tecs]

I have never messed much with buckshot loads but I have played a lot with Copper Plated BB's in both the 3 1/2 10 gauge and the 3 1/2 12 gauge for coyotes. My experience mirrors Tripplebeards. I did sell all my 10 ga stuff. In the days of lead for pass shooting geese they ruled. For BBB and under I can get the same patterns out of my 3 1/2" 12's in a lighter more responsive gun.

[6pt-sika]

6pt,

Have you recovered any of the wraps? If so, does it look like they actually protect the RBs from flat spotting in the bore? I guess recovered RBs from the right medium would provide that answer too.

BB

Yes I have . And to be honest I'm not overly sure if they did what you ask or not . I use the wrap more to cut down on the lead skid marks inside the barrel more then anything .

[6pt-sika]

I have never gotten good result from wraps vs wadcups.

In the short 10's I use the shotcup on the SP-10 wad from size #3 up to 00 . I'm still kinda on the fence with 000 and I remove the petals and use a wrap for 0000 and 00000 . In the 12 gauge I mostly load #0 in shotcups , for the 16 I use the CB WAA16 wad with petals still attached but mostly #1 and 0 . In the 20 gauge I also keep the petals attached in the CB WAA20 wad and the REM SP-20 with #2 and #3 . In the 10 gauge I've tried everything from #4 to 00000 and all did well enough to meet my parameters BUT I have very little inclination to use buckshot over 25 or so yards . I will say all my buckshot use is for deer or on paper and I've not been overly happy with #4 , I have used #3 in the 10 gauge on deer with adequate results . I'm sure #3 and #4 are great for predator stuff but that's not something I've gotten involved in .

I realize most of you are shooting screw choke guns . I do have one Benelli with screw ins but all the rest of mine are close to 100 years old if not well over and it's "run what ya brung" . I've also found the old saying of full is to tight for this that or the other isn't always true . So generally each time I purchase a new to me 10 gauge I pattern both barrels with several sizes of buckshot typically before I'm done I try them all and of course there's always one or two far better then the rest .

[bikerbeans]

I made my decisions this morning and loaded a half dozen test loads.

1x fired fed hull trimmed to 3.07" (eliminate the fold crimp)

XX grains of Blue Dot (i might post charge weight after firing)

209A

(1) x10x GS

(1) 0.125 NC

(12) 0.375" WQ RBs in layers of 2

No wrap (my kid wants this load so he can scrub the lead out of the bore)

#47 buffer to top of stack

(1) thin paper OSC

Roll crimped. (BPI crimper, drill press and channel locks)

In regards to the powder charge it is a couple grains under a book load for 2 1/4 oz of shot. The 12 pellets weigh 2.15 oz.

Should be fun to test.

BB

[bikerbeans]

BB, as you know I have loaded all manner of buckshot. The key to success seems to be 1) a 2 stack of HARD shot; 2) moderate velocitiy; 3) buffer. Powder charge dictated by equivalent weight, fast lead shot load which is generally a slow ish powder. If 3/8 balls will 2-stack in a standard 10 ga wad I would put enough buffer in the bottom to cover interior base of cup and start stackin. It's ok to go above shotcuup for a stack. Add buffer and shake down even with top of shot then thin overshot, fold crimp. Load constructed like this shoot best out of full choke. You can get more pellets in 3 stacks of varying heights but I have never seen them pattern as well. Here's 70% of 00 in a 10" circle at 40 yds constructed this way.

PS: I have never gotten good result from wraps vs wadcups.

HT,

I have your items 1, 2 and 3 covered.

I have SP10 wads but the petals are way to thick for a 2 stack of anything bigger than 000.

The sxs 10ga has screw in chokes, full (0.740") and cylinder. I plan to test both.

I copied fairly closely your "perfect" 12ga buckshot load last summer. I scaled it up to 3.5" and out of my friends benelli it will take a yote at 60 yards. The benelli has the kicks buck kicker choke that Leon puts to good use. I do my best loading when i steal ideas from the pros.

BB

[Tripplebeards]

Post some loading pics please. I have an 1890's charles daly SxS 2 7/8" that is away getting replacement hammers as we speak. I'd like to load some ammo for it some day. I bought some 2 7/8" loaded #5's I want to use for turkey.

[bikerbeans]

Not perfect but good enough for my sons intended purpose. I fired three rounds this morning and they will put 7 or 8 pellets in 8 inches at 30 yards. Since i know my son is planning a 15 yard shot this will work. Recoil is tolerable. Powder charge is 40g of BD.

BB242704

[Hogtamer]

boom flop on both ends ��

[6pt-sika]

boom flop on both ends ��

Of all the 10 gauge guns I’ve accumulated the one that would get the shooter is a circa 1850-1860 MacFarlane 10 gauge double percussion and only when I loaded it with 730 home cast slugs pushed with 90+ grains of 777 2Fg . Shooting that albatross actually put a knot in my right shoulder from shooting at the bench . Think i shot about 20 times , no recoil pad but rather a metal buttplate

[CLAYPOOL]

AH "The good olds of Copper BB'S.. Buy a shoulder pad and wear every time you take a gun.. IT WILL TAKE A YEAR OR TWO TO GET OVER FLINCHING...". If nothing else use a shot bag or towels...

[Markopolo]

Yikes.. that’s all I can say.. I must be under age for this thread.

[bikerbeans]

Yikes.. that’s all I can say.. I must be under age for this thread.

MP,

I am too old as well. This load is for my mid 30s F16 pilot son. I fired 3 rounds standing and two days later my right shoulder is still sore. The 10ga has a recoil pad and i put a limbsaver slipon pad over it! After i finished with the ten ga i had an enjoyable shooting session with 20ga and 410 slug guns.

BB

[gpidaho]

BB: A bit off track here my friend but the young man with a love of recoil might give this a try for me. I noticed that by inserting a .562 RB in the hollow of the 12ga. foster slug like a tru-ball expands the foster to what could be fired out of a cylinder bore. Measured on my scale this makes a payload of 731gr. I'm trying to convince my shoulder that it's worth a try. Gp

[bikerbeans]

gp,

I had a 12ga HB FB mold that dropped a 730g slug. Velocity at or below 1,200 fps the recoil wasn't so bad. Anything over 1,300 fps was nasty. I think the lead "truball" might cause problems with the weight forward design of your foster. I still have some of these slugs if you want to try them.

I am thinking my son might like a 10ga 2-ball load with 69 cal RBs. I could probably fit (3) 69 cal balls in a 3 1/2" 10ga but i have no clue on a smokeless powder charge. Maybe some FFg goex would work?

BB

[gpidaho]

BB: Yes, you're likely right about it being unbalanced but I do have 3" 12ga load data for heavy loads (1 5/8 and 1 7/8 ) I might still give it a try. I do know I don't have it in me to try anything like that 3 ball load. I probably should have just stuck with my 22-250 and my 223's I can actually hit something with those. Gp

[bikerbeans]

Went from 10ga superbuck to 10ga superduper buck. Yesterday i tried some 10g loaded with (2) 69 cal round balls. The balls were tumbled, very round and smooth, and heat treated. I fired these from an American Arms SxS with screw in chokes that measured 0.735". Target was at 60 yards, a lot better group than i expected.

BB

[gpidaho]

BB That should knock a bear on his Bee Hind. Gp

[6pt-sika]

Went from 10ga superbuck to 10ga superduper buck. Yesterday i tried some 10g loaded with (2) 69 cal round balls. The balls were tumbled, very round and smooth, and heat treated. I fired these from an American Arms SxS with screw in chokes that measured 0.735". Target was at 60 yards, a lot better group than i expected.

BB

I would like to have tried a pair of .690 balls in my 10’s but being only 2 7/8” i was only able to got one to suit me while using an SP-10 wad .

[bikerbeans]

6pt,

Copy that. I used fired 3.5" hulls that i trimmed to 3.07" for a good roll crimp.

BB

[6pt-sika]

6pt,

Copy that. I used fired 3.5" hulls that i trimmed to 3.07" for a good roll crimp.

BB

I bought some steel shot wads from BPI to nestle the .690” roundballs but they make the loaded shell just to tight to go in the chamber . I think I have a .662” roundball mold . I might just try those and see how it goes and maybe I can get two in a 2 7/8” folded crimp she’ll .