Anyone loading the 350 Legend yet?

[cwlongshot]

I'm just getting supplies together and actually still waiting on the rifle too. :groner:

But Wondered who is already reloading this one?

I will use factory brass (Mostly) But will also make a few from 223 and see what I get. (Yea I know all about the actual dims)

This one will likely become a 100% CB shooter for me. I'm getting the BOLT gun.

CW

[Four-Sixty]

I would love to get a Ruger American in this caliber. I really like 35 caliber. I'm happy to see a commercial 35 cal AR round.

[Hamish]

It's basically a .357 Maximum rimless, so,,,,,,,anything from .38 Special to .357 Mag to approaching Maximum upper end loads.

.357 Max case length is nominal 1.605"
350 Legend is nominal 1.71"

Should be cake using Maximum loads.

[cwlongshot]

Me too!!

I was SUPER excited when it was announced.

But in the days following discovered that Winchester fudged it all up. :groner:

But I was SO LOVIN my Maximum and SO MUCH wanting a repeater rifle in it I still wanted it. Then I looked at it as a CAST or even CAST ONLY shooter!

Bullet dia dont matter! Bullet availability is up to ME! I shouldn't need more than a couple three hundred cases and @ <10$ per 20, even loaded fodder is cheaper then just brass!! I was really growing on the idea. Then when Ruger announced the American Bolt I was sold and called my dealer Straight away!

CW

[Blammer]

when you get it please let us know what the barrel dia is. :)

[cwlongshot]

My dealer called last night!! I should have it early next week!!

CW

[Blammer]

Sweet! Pics when you can.

[Four-Sixty]

And... I see that CVA is going to offer their Scout in 350 Legend!

[cwlongshot]

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/CWLONGSHOT/Temp%20stuff/sporting%20pics/Ruger%20American%20350%20Legend/58BD963A-D87D-4E10-AD99-AA04126DC61B_zpsiizs1si4.jpeg




Sweet! Pics when you can.

[Blammer]

yea, no pic showing so far

[cwlongshot]

when you get it please let us know what the barrel dia is. :)

Where would you like me to measure?

Mcw

[Texas by God]

I think Blammer is asking that you slug the bore to see if it is the stated .355". And where is the pic?

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[cwlongshot]

Ahh! OK!

I posted a pic of the action area with scope mounted and a modified magazine. Photobucket suks, but, this time, I can see the image. Are you saying that you cannot see it?

Also speaking to reloading this one; I have pulled a few bullets, dumped the powder. (21g of a very round powder) Then run the case into a Lyman M die in 35 charge with 1680 powder and seat a 158 XTP-FP. Using maxi data.

Hopefully a quick test run at the range tonight after work! Not accuracy or site in, just click bang.

CW

[Moleman-]

After you have a few fired cases would you get an average water capacity for 4-5 cases with the water struck off level with the case mouth? We could figure out if the 357max-TC or 357AR data would work or not with a decent safety margin when using the same bullet and COL.

[Silvercreek Farmer]

Following.

[cwlongshot]

I was thinking on this and frankly I dont see all companies going the route Winchester has choose. Its OK for them but costly for other manufacturers.

I will not at all be surprised to see this barrel be a 357.

CW

[15meter]

If I'm reading the print right it looks like .357.

https://www.nssf.org/saami-announces-acceptance-350-legend-cartridge/

[CastingFool]

Got an email fron Bear Creek Arsenal, they now have a complete upper chambered for the 350 Legend.

[cwlongshot]

Yup I got the flyer in my email yesterday too!!

I hit the range last night and sent 20 146g FMJ’s into the berms. The gun shot pretty well. Shooting 6/7 into one inch @ 50 yards. I dont expect much for factory and will be expecting at least that out at 100 once I find a load it likes.

I pulled 5 of these dumped powder and replaced the charge with 25g of 1680 and seated a 158 XTP. THESE ROUNDS SHOT ABOUT 3/4” @ 50.

I need to see if .358’s will chamber. I might also slug the bore. Id not at all be surprised if these Rugers used 357 or 358 barrels. Winchester fudged this up going 355/9mm. Its stupid. Re inventing the wheel almost always is and its a costly endeavor.

CW

[Blammer]

measure in the inside. :)

still no visible pic

[Texas by God]

measure in the inside. :)

still no visible picDitto the no pic.

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[Hardcast]

Winchester lists a subsonic round but no bullet weight. I wonder if the 215 grain Lyman 357 Max bullet (358627?) would be good for a subsonic round in this caliber? Could it be a better suppressed cartridge for wild pigs than the 300 Blackout?

[Moleman-]

Winchester lists a subsonic round but no bullet weight. I wonder if the 215 grain Lyman 357 Max bullet (358627?) would be good for a subsonic round in this caliber? Could it be a better suppressed cartridge for wild pigs than the 300 Blackout?

You'll need a heavier bullet if you want to have the action cycle. A 228gr is just on the verge of wanting to work and keep it subsonic. Winchester lists the subsonic bullet weight at 265gr. https://www.targetsportsusa.com/winchester-350-legend-265-grain-super-suppressed-open-tip-subsonic-sup350-p-109114.aspx

[Hardcast]

You'll need a heavier bullet if you want to have the action cycle. A 228gr is just on the verge of wanting to work and keep it subsonic. Winchester lists the subsonic bullet weight at 265gr. https://www.targetsportsusa.com/winchester-350-legend-265-grain-super-suppressed-open-tip-subsonic-sup350-p-109114.aspx


I was think of this rifle and it is a bolt gun.
https://ruger.com/productImages/26985/detail/2.jpg

[Moleman-]

I was think of this rifle and it is a bolt gun.
https://ruger.com/productImages/26985/detail/2.jpg

That would make it vastly easier v/s trying to work with what will cycle a semiauto.

[Texas by God]

Where is the Winchester bolt gun? Is Ruger first to market? Again?

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[Hardcast]

Just for fun I went to the Mountain Molds "design your own" page and drew up a 250 gr sensible Keith boolit with 80% meplat. Looks good to me, but I'm not a boolit design expert. I wonder if the 350 Legend 1 in 16 twist barrel will stabilize boolits this long at subsonic velocity.
If Winchester has tested their 265 grain load, I would assume the 250 SWC would be OK. But, I have been proven wrong a time or two.

[Hardcast]

Where is the Winchester bolt gun? Is Ruger first to market? Again?

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I just went to Gunbroker and searched for Winchester XPR 350 Legend and this was the results: There are 0 items that match your criteria.

Looks like you are right. So apparently at least one or two AR makers have the 350 Legend available, and there are plenty of Ruger Americans on Gunbroker too. So whats with Winchester selling ammo in their new cartridge and no Winchester gun to shoot it?

[ohiochuck]

Possibly because Winchester ammo (American) and Winchester Arms (Belgium) are two separate companies.

[Texas by God]

Possibly because Winchester ammo (American) and Winchester Arms (Belgium) are two separate companies.I think their new bolt action is Japanese made. There's a 50/50 chance I'm right.

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[Hardcast]

Also, I checked Starline. No 350 Legend brass listed on their site. That means buying factory ammo for .50+ per round and shooting it just to get the brass.

[cwlongshot]

Seems still no dies available...

[Hardcast]

Seems still no dies available...

I wonder if 357 Max dies would work. The negatives of this brand new cartridge are such that I'm now thinking about going with the 300 Blackout for a pig gun instead the the Legend.

[cwlongshot]

Max dies will NOT work. Base of the 350 is too large @ .390! I have loaded some just “neck” or partial sizing. But they are not perfect. (They shoot pretty good too!)

I did the black out back in 2011. Its a favorite but I repeatedly saw its power limitations. Ill always keep it as its scarry accurate. But its power is limited to under 125. I had two quartering shots on whitetails at 175 & 160 ish FAIL TO ENTER BODY CAVITY GLANCING OFF SHOULDER AND LEG BONE!!! No I did not loose the animals. Was very lucky. But I learned to stay on ribs past 125.

I have hunted with the Maxi for many years and this 350 should duplicate its preformance. Its a better diameter and bullet weight. Esp when rougher game is on the list. Blk out will work. O DOUBTS!! But IMHO the 350 will do so “better”.

The XPB isnt scheduled for release till late Summer. Late August IIRC.

Yup Ruger grabbin the render low hanging fruit here for sure!!

I have been looking for dies myself. I see LEE from LEE 43$ I prefer better dies. Been dit three times buying LEE Dies.

IMHO, These FMJ’s are a better option. They shoot pretty good in my gun and at 8-9$ a box are almost as cheap as brass. Look around I bought 200 for 94 shipped. Ill be looking to but one more 200 “mini” case and Ill be good on brass.

If anyone has found dies, Redding is supposed to be making them. Ebay has a set for 260$!!!!! Thats stupid... But I'm sure they will be close to 100$

CW

[Daryl]

HI All,

I've not posted for awhile but I've been busy. I'm an FFL in Ohio and we are excited about this cartridge. I have CMMG 16" 1:14 AR barrels in stock as well as 5-round and 10-round mags. I've built 5 ARs so far and this is a great cartridge. As one post said, easy 3/4" at 50 yards.

Since I'm mostly on ARs I don't have boolit data for you. But, I've found some do's and dont's for my loading.

Lee has dies. I just ordered directly online from them. I don't like the crimping die = but I started using a 357 Mag taper crimp die and that worked perfectly.

The CMMG barrel slugged at .356 for me. I'm finding it takes a good taper to feed the AR well. I've used Hornady 200 FTX 38 cal sized down to .357 and Spear Hot-Cor 180 grain sized down to .357.

Look at the SAMMI specs and that gives you a lot of insight. In front of the case mouth, the spec is .357 diameter but only for .10" then it tapers down. So, I found that I need to get the .357 part of the bullet into the case and that works fine for these. Then, the case mouth spec for SAMMI is .378 - but the Winchester 145 factory ammo seems to be about .372. Once I got that to about .376 things fed well.

The Hornaday 147 XTP in .355 feeds and works well. The 158 XTP sized down to .357 does not feed well - so that supports the need for a steep taper.

I have some Lovex D063-01 (aka Shooter's World Tactical Rifle) that I use extensively in 300 Blackout that worked great for these loads.

Also, I did get load data from Hodgdon. They told me on the phone that Winchester does not recommend .357 so they don't have that data! Interesting since that is what we need in Ohio to be legal.

Here is what I got: - I tried putting a picture in but it came out tiny even when expanded.

[Blammer]

so CMMG is making 9mm barrels for the 350 legend?

[Dave Shooter]

A Redding 9x19 carbide sizing die works to size the .350 case to proper dimension at base. I lubed the first case just to be safe, but afterwards just used carbide die dry. Cases plunk into my CMMG chamber. The 9mm taper is more abrupt than .350 case so the displaced metal has to go somewhere, meaning lengthened cases. Mine wound up over max so trimming is necessary. Proper .350 Legend size dies might not have this issue. But if you want to go cheap this is one way to load it.

[cwlongshot]

Reluctantly I ordered a set of LEE dies in 350.

They arrived last week and yesterday I sized & primed 100 cases. I loaded about a dozen in a ladder with 180 xtp bullets. Dummies seemed to feed fine into my RARR barrel.

CW

[Silvercreek Farmer]

Reluctantly I ordered a set of LEE dies in 350.

They arrived last week and yesterday I sized & primed 100 cases. I loaded about a dozen in a ladder with 180 xtp bullets. Dummies seemed to feed fine into my RARR barrel.

CW

Any brass growth? Case lube required?

[cwlongshot]

The cases where all over the place. Straight cases dont really grow very fast. I have pulled one box if factory new and its OAL was all longer than 1710 too.

Yes I used case lube.

CW

[Michael J. Spangler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQG2ccQxu20

[Moleman-]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQG2ccQxu20

I'm no fan of Winchester, but what he's showing has all the hallmarks of a chamber issue. Win isn't helping by putting out ammo that doesn't meet the specs they made for it. Take a good look at the video from 12:03-12:13. Sure looks like more than .001" clearance all the way around the bullet (max SAAMI clearance at .002" total). Read through these two threads that have the same issue Initially it's the same OP and gun, but others join in with the same issues caused by an out of spec chamber.

https://www.migunowners.org/forum/showthread.php?419245-350-Legend-AR-pistol-build-pics-video&highlight=350+legend

https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/350-Legend-pistol-build-pics-vids/121-739384/

[Blammer]

well, still looks like a 9mm to me.

[Michael J. Spangler]

I'm no fan of Winchester, but what he's showing has all the hallmarks of a chamber issue. Win isn't helping by putting out ammo that doesn't meet the specs they made for it. Take a good look at the video from 12:03-12:13. Sure looks like more than .001" clearance all the way around the bullet (max SAAMI clearance at .002" total). Read through these two threads that have the same issue Initially it's the same OP and gun, but others join in with the same issues caused by an out of spec chamber.

https://www.migunowners.org/forum/showthread.php?419245-350-Legend-AR-pistol-build-pics-video&highlight=350+legend

https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/350-Legend-pistol-build-pics-vids/121-739384/

I’m guessing it could be a little bit of both. My buddy had 2 kak barrels which seemed out of spec and low and behold we’re recalled.
Though in this guys video when he reloads his own with proper size bullets and a proper crimp (factory was sizing down the bullets to .3565” on crimp) the issue is eliminated.
I hope this whole debacle doesn’t kill off this cartridge. Smaller issues have killed off cartridges in the past.

[Moleman-]

I’m guessing it could be a little bit of both. My buddy had 2 kak barrels which seemed out of spec and low and behold we’re recalled.
Though in this guys video when he reloads his own with proper size bullets and a proper crimp (factory was sizing down the bullets to .3565” on crimp) the issue is eliminated.
I hope this whole debacle doesn’t kill off this cartridge. Smaller issues have killed off cartridges in the past.

I hope so too, but he should offer up a chamber cast to verify the entire chamber is correct as the freebore measurement is never given.

[Michael J. Spangler]

Good point.
When my buddy gets his new barrel I’ll order some cerosafe

[DDriller]

Call me stupid but how does a case the head spaces off the mouth expand enough to get case head separation? Unless the ejector is holding the case against the bolt I don't see how it would even fire.

[Moleman-]

Call me stupid but how does a case the head spaces off the mouth expand enough to get case head separation? Unless the ejector is holding the case against the bolt I don't see how it would even fire.

Bad headspace (could be gun or ammo related) or over pressure are the two classic answers. If the chamber has good headspace and the ammo is within the acceptable range (guys have measured ammo over and under the spec-shame on WIN) the next thing to look at is diameters. The SAAMI minimum cartridge case mouth diameter is .370" (.378"- .008" on the cartridge print) and a maximum allowable chamber freebore dia of .359" (.357" +.002" as called out on the chamber print). That leaves you with .011" to headspace on worse case if everything is in spec. Guys have measured case mouth diameters under the SAAMI spec of .370" on factory Win ammo and there have been chambers cut with the freebore step larger than .359". If the chamber step from case mouth to freebore is beveled too much it will also allow the case to wedge in too deep and cause issues as will too large of a freebore.

[trapper9260]

I had sent the video to my gunsmith and he said that there is something not right on the ammo. He said he dose not care much for Win ammo and mainly stick with Hornady ammo . He did say he did not get any notice about the ammo that was in the video. But who knows

[tomme boy]

I would rather shoot junk commie ammo before I would ever shoot Hornady. Hornady is some of the worst ammo produced. BUT, their bullets are GTG. They just can't load ammo.

[cwlongshot]

I went to the range today! I shot three cast loads and four Jacketed loads.

Cast;

200g RN GC sized 356 BHN 15. Powder coated on top of 18g 4227. Shot 2.5” @ 100.

190 WFN GC sized .356 BHN 13, also powder coated. Shot on top of 1680 powder. Shot mostly touching 50Y

180 Ranch Dog GC sized .356 BNH 18 but not fully hardened. Shot ALL ONE HOLE 50 and 1” @ 100.

Jacketed;

180 XTP sized .356 24g 1680 shot one hole @ 50 and under 1” @ 100y

180 Rem HP sized .356 H110. Shot 3” @ 50 never shot @ 100.

180 Sierra Silhouette SP IMR 4227 21g shot one ragged hole @ 50 and 1.5” @ 100y.

140FTX sized .356. Seated on top of 21.8g of factory powder. Shot single hole 100y groups!!!!!! VERY IMPRESSED!!

I have four more boxes of factory Im gonna pull, trim and seat resized FTX on top of 21.8g of factory powder.

Like previous Rugers this one is shooting better every range trip. No chrony today. Loads derived from Maxi Data and personal experience. Not a single Load shows any pressure signs measuring case head expansion. Used a mix of Mag and std SR primers.

CW

[Silvercreek Farmer]

Nice, keep it coming!

[Conditor22]

I would rather shoot junk commie ammo before I would ever shoot Hornady. Hornady is some of the worst ammo produced. BUT, their bullets are GTG. They just can't load ammo.

Maybe you like the European ammo because its usually hotter than US ammo

[sniper]

Very interesting, but...HOW would the cartridge do in a plain vanilla lever action rifle, perhaps with 16-18" barrel, with a ~160 gr. LNFP boolit a'la Veral's creations? Or, would a heavier boolit be advisable? Could a .357 rifle Magnum be rechambered for this round, and would it be "mo' bettah" than say a rechamber to .357 Maximum? If so, HOW?
BTW, the video looks like a rifle problem to me.

[cwlongshot]

This same guy has posted a second video.

https://youtu.be/8wEvKrgxfvs

Ammo apears to have been his issue as he stated. He says he has a few barrels and has a friend with another that all have shown same issue. All are fine now with the new ammo Winchester has sent him.

CW

[rking22]

FYI , just got email that Starline has brass in stock.

[TimB4281]

Winchester lists a subsonic round but no bullet weight. I wonder if the 215 grain Lyman 357 Max bullet (358627?) would be good for a subsonic round in this caliber? Could it be a better suppressed cartridge for wild pigs than the 300 Blackout?

The bullet weight is 265 grains.

[wallacem]

I am loading the 350 Legend. Had waited till Hodgdon brought out loading data online. They are only showing three bullets, both are .355" dia. For dies I am using 357 mag dies, only sizing about 1/2" down. I am using the 147gr JHP load and it is doing great. From what I read the barrel is .355 but they are giving it extra room somehow to allow loading a .357 dia bullet or even the .358". I may try the 158gr jhp pistol bullet like I shoot in the .357 Maximum, but have not seen any reliable loading data to support it yet. I have used some with .357 maximum loading data and they shot fine, just not strong load. Last, I found the factory cases to vary widely in length. They are measuring from 1.693" to 1.707". Trim length is 1.70". What do you do with that? Using the Ruger Bolt gun. Wallacem in Ga

PS: Just remembered to mention, I am having a real problem with feeding from the mag to chamber with my reloads. Wont work good at all if I work bolt slowly. Slam it hard and it goes right in. Think it is because of bullet shape. All factory loads feed great. Wondering if that is why factory is using those long pointed shape bullets. Wallace

[cwlongshot]

Wallacem,

Look for a try Hornady 158 XTP FP. You can lube them with Imperial and run them thru a 356 or 355 LEE push thru sizer quick and easy!! Im shooting the 140 FTX sized down to 356 for targets and coyotes. (Shot nuttin yet) Im not so confident in the bullet holdin together at 2300 fps... BUT it shoots MOA in my RARR!

Cw

[wallacem]

Thanks, good idea on sizing down a tad. Notice my additions about feeding above.

[cwlongshot]

Rugers ain’t friendly about feedin blunt Boolits... AND with this one in a AR mag... OAL changes are limited too.

XTP.s are feedin for me as are my Ranch Dog cast. But not as slick as a spitzer.

CW

[postban]

I am loading the 350 Legend. ...snip... Think it is because of bullet shape. All factory loads feed great. Wondering if that is why factory is using those long pointed shape bullets. Wallace

On the bolded, I'm thinking similarly. I tried some 125gr XTP, 140 Sierra JHC and 158gr LSWC-GC [5-4-3 from pic] seated to the cannelure or crimp groove, ftf jams on 2nd rd.
Using an AR15 pistol with 12.5"bbl, CMMG mags, adj gas block. Switched to 180gr XTP seated out quite a bit and a Lee 358-200-RF 200gr, got same look/length as the WIN factory profiles, feed/function perfect. Something about the long straight wall needing that little help from the cone shape.

Hornady 180 XTP, Lee C358-200-RF 200gr sized "0.357
Stayed with 25.5gr Lil'gun, seated to fit in mag, lightly factory crimped [Lee collet] to straighten bell

200gr cast avg 2013fps 1800fpe
180gr XTP avg 2180fps 1899fpe

Both fed/extract perfect.
I know the 180gr XTP looks ridiculous with the cannelure a mile out but it works.
Interesting about the XTP, they were fairly consistent "0.3565. My other XTPs are dead on 357.
I wonder how it is gonna hold up at that velocity... Gonna pop a few jugs, see if I end up with copper/lead sand or a decent weight retention.
Center in pic is a Speer 180gr hotcor I got as 2nds from Graf&sons a few years back for my 35REM Contender, sized it to "0.357.
Seated to mag length this thing loves them too, perfect function. #1 from pic. #2 is WIN PP factory load.

About my barrel; 12.5 "Sport Heavy" from tim@thearguy.com after trying one from KAK that was improperly chambered.
Slugged LSWC comes out at "0.3555 groove
"0.347 land (best I can figure, old eyes, tiny bullet)

Yeah, I know an AR15 using cast boolits :shock:
Using straight wheel weights for casting, probably won't expand much but will surely make two holes.
Happy with feed and function, Planning to do some groups next.

[Michael J. Spangler]

My buddy is sitting on about 750 round of factory ammo and a whole bunch of separated cases and blown primers.
Winchester won’t answer his calls and keeps giving him to the phone extension to nowhere.
Anyone have a work around to get in touch with these guys?

[postban]

My buddy is sitting on about 750 round of factory ammo and a whole bunch of separated cases and blown primers.
Winchester won’t answer his calls and keeps giving him to the phone extension to nowhere.
Anyone have a work around to get in touch with these guys?

My first bbl from KAK did that, had a bad chamber. Another couple guys on a MI forum had them too, chamber cast showed roughing reamer too far in.
Also saw a yt video of a guy with some over crimped WIN 145gr FMJ. He got refunded and ammo replaced by WIN. Maybe the yt channel made the difference?

[Michael J. Spangler]

Yeah he had an issue with his first barrel but the second seemed fine. The KAK did a recall.
However the ammo is exactly like that isn’t he YT channel. Way over crimped with the same results. What a mess.
Yeah maybe having the YT channel helped. Time to make a video on YT and cal out Winchester for dangerous ammo that should be recalled.

[Michael J. Spangler]

https://www.deltateamtactical.com/Davidson-Defense-Legend-AR-15-Upper-Receiver-16-Ultra-Match-350-Legend-4150-CMV-1-16T-Barrel-15-M-Lok-Handguard-Assembled-or-Unassembled_p_11409.html?goal=0%5F1daae510d2%2D65f 734b809%2D306120921&utm_campaign=65f734b809%2DEMAIL%5FCAMPAIGN%5F2019% 5F08%5F22%5F08%5F05&mc_cid=65f734b809&utm_term=0%5F1daae510d2%2D65f734b809%2D306120921&mc_eid=6801b17e33&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Customers

Looks like delta team tactical has a super deal on uppers.

[Hardcast]

Today my American Rifleman magazine arrived in the mail. There is a feature article on the 350 Legend. Have not read all of the article yet, but it looks like several rifle manufacturers are on the 350 Legend bandwagon as are a couple more ammo companies. Maybe this cartridge is going to be a much bigger thing than I assumed.

[saint_iverson]

Anyone been out hunting with this round yet? I'm hoping for some good results this year since it'll be the first. I haven't looked into any new rounds in a long time, but this one has my attention! So far from this thread it seems that aside from getting the first-batch production issues cycled out, down-sizing to .355" is the way to go?

[cwlongshot]

Its gonna be very good. Its a ballistic match to the Maximum thats been going since the early mid 1980’s. I have taken dozens of deer inside 150 with 180 xtp/180 SSP and 170 Deep Curls in the maxi at about 2100 fps.
This “Legend” will be just as good!

CW

[45r]

I'm going to use the hornady 170 grain
.355 bullets in my chamber.
They shot under an inch at 55 yards using 24.8 grains H-110 and cci 450 primers.
Primers were rounded and had no pressure signs.
I seated to col 2.240 and with my feed ramps dremmeled and polished they feed well.
147 and 180 xtp's work also with starline brass.
Going to size some boolits to 357 for practice.

[cwlongshot]

Last night I loaded 20 with four progressive aa1680 loads starting @ 28g. Under a 150 Corlokt bullet sized down to 356

Shot 25g, then 26.5 last Sunday a couple @ 27. Zero pressures and only 1850 fps. Velocities ran too slow so Im gonna try these.

Cw

[Michael J. Spangler]

Has anyone tried out one of the delta team tactical barrels or uppers yet?
I'm thinking of picking on up.
My LGS just got in a shipment of 350 legend brass and it's calling my name

[Texas by God]

The only reason I was in Cabela’s was a $25 gift card I received for getting older. I finally saw real live .350 Legend ammo. I opened a box, pulled one out, looked at it and said” You’re a weird looking little pointy headed fella”, put it back and got a box of high dollar 7.62x39 Hornady SST.

[cwlongshot]

249575

I ordered 400 this AM from Graffs.

I shot my loads tonight and with each 1/2 g increase the groups tightened right up till the last load, 29g was perfect clover leaf. I didnt measure case heads but they dont appear expanded much the primers are ever so slightly flate ing. My 16” RARR ;

27.5 was 1900 fps
28 was 1945 fps
28.5 was 1980 fps
29 was 2047 fps

Im gonna load 29.5 and 30 next. 29g was 99% compressed at my depth.

[45r]

Tried some lilgun,imr-4227,Re-7,viht N-120, and 300-mp with the hornady 170 yesterday.
W-296/h-110 was still the most accurate with good velocity.
24.5 grains and rem 7 1/2 primers shoots 1.5 inch 7 shot groups.
COL = 2.255.

[steve urquell]

180gr XTP avg 2180fps 1899fpe

I wonder how it is gonna hold up at that velocity... Gonna pop a few jugs, see if I end up with copper/lead sand or a decent weight retention.
.
I've loaded the 90gr .309 XTP to ~2300fps in the .300BLK and shot it into water jugs. The nose from the truncated cone shoulder to tip shatters off of it but the base retains its jacket and continues penetrating.

It is an impressive performance and retains much of its weight. Recovered bullets look like the cone was chewed off. Explodes gallon water jugs into multiple pieces.

[cwlongshot]

I have shot and harvested multiple deer with the 180 XTP at those velocities from my 357 maximum thru the years. Yes it will hold up. Maybe not as well in larger bones up close. But overall it will Work well.

Now having said that... I understand that hornady changed that bullet and dropped the extra cannalure. As you likely know a cannalure serves multiple purposes and holding in the core is one... NOT AS ALL SURE its the same bullet as it was/has been. Hornady swears its same... but lacking a cannalure, no its not the same.

CW

[steve urquell]

I have shot and harvested multiple deer with the 180 XTP at those velocities from my 357 maximum thru the years. Yes it will hold up. Maybe not as well in larger bones up close. But overall it will Work well.

Now having said that... I understand that hornady changed that bullet and dropped the extra cannalure. As you likely know a cannalure serves multiple purposes and holding in the core is one... NOT AS ALL SURE its the same bullet as it was/has been. Hornady swears its same... but lacking a cannalure, no its not the same.

CW

The 90gr .309s I've recovered don't have the cannelure and suffered no jacket/core separation. However Hornady has the jacket and core bonded on these seems to work well.

I have shot Hornady's 86gr JSP .30 Mauser bullet with cannelure and can say that the cannelure does nothing to hold that jacket on at >2000fps.

https://i.imgur.com/VfATZk0.jpg

[chaos]

I went to the range today! I shot three cast loads and four Jacketed loads.

Cast;

200g RN GC sized 356 BHN 15. Powder coated on top of 18g 4227. Shot 2.5” @ 100.

190 WFN GC sized .356 BHN 13, also powder coated. Shot on top of 1680 powder. Shot mostly touching 50Y

180 Ranch Dog GC sized .356 BNH 18 but not fully hardened. Shot ALL ONE HOLE 50 and 1” @ 100.

Jacketed;

180 XTP sized .356 24g 1680 shot one hole @ 50 and under 1” @ 100y

180 Rem HP sized .356 H110. Shot 3” @ 50 never shot @ 100.

180 Sierra Silhouette SP IMR 4227 21g shot one ragged hole @ 50 and 1.5” @ 100y.

140FTX sized .356. Seated on top of 21.8g of factory powder. Shot single hole 100y groups!!!!!! VERY IMPRESSED!!

I have four more boxes of factory Im gonna pull, trim and seat resized FTX on top of 21.8g of factory powder.

Like previous Rugers this one is shooting better every range trip. No chrony today. Loads derived from Maxi Data and personal experience. Not a single Load shows any pressure signs measuring case head expansion. Used a mix of Mag and std SR primers.

CW

What are the brands/ models of those Moulds? Im fixin to ramp up and load these. Want to shoot cast only through my guns, for paper and hog duty. Maybe jacketed for deer.

Can I size down jacketed bullets with my Lyman lube sizer?

Anyone making dies other than Lee? I wont use Lee dies. My only foray into that arena was years ago with a .50 beowulf. Never again Lee anything other than drip o matic pot.

Running a Ruger AR pattern as well as a ranch rifle soon.

[cwlongshot]

Morning Chaos!

OK here ya go;

1) Lyman 358315 204g RN

2) LEE Group buy no number on mold 190 WFN

3) LEE 360-190 RDGC. Ranch dog mold

4) DO NOT SIZE JACKED IN A LYMAN LUBER SIZER!

I agree 100% on LEE DIES!! But I have to say LEE makes a bunch of GOOD EQUIPTMENT! (Just no dies, scales, or powder measures and no to most of there presses for me) The lee push thru sizers are perfect for the PC cast bullet guy!! I still Prefer my 450 for GC and conventional lubed bullets.
NOE also offers a push thru sizer that superior to the LEE. I recomend a good solid reloading press and imperial size wax for Jbullet Sizing. I also find I need to lube the first few bullets thru a virgin sizer bushing!?!? Anyone else see super difficult very first bullet
Thru a new bushing??

Good luck

CW

[cwlongshot]

I was able to snag a couple Boxes of Hornady 165g FTX .355 bullets off Midway Monday aM!!

I was really hoping to have them today. But Mr Larry Potterfield seems to have that speed shipping system all fudged up cause my order says is still. Awaiting shipment. GRRR

The 140 FTX is a LASER. HOPING that these 165’s are half as good!!

CW

[chaos]

Morning Chaos!

OK here ya go;

1) Lyman 358315 204g RN

2) LEE Group buy no number on mold 190 WFN

3) LEE 360-190 RDGC. Ranch dog mold

4) DO NOT SIZE JACKED IN A LYMAN LUBER SIZER!

I agree 100% on LEE DIES!! But I have to say LEE makes a bunch of GOOD EQUIPTMENT! (Just no dies, scales, or powder measures and no to most of there presses for me) The lee push thru sizers are perfect for the PC cast bullet guy!! I still Prefer my 450 for GC and conventional lubed bullets.
NOE also offers a push thru sizer that superior to the LEE. I recomend a good solid reloading press and imperial size wax for Jbullet Sizing. I also find I need to lube the first few bullets thru a virgin sizer bushing!?!? Anyone else see super difficult very first bullet
Thru a new bushing??

Good luck

CW


Well. I need to find a blet with sufficent meplat in an Iron block. Never had any consistancy out of the Aluminum moulds.

How are you sizing down Jacketed bullers?

I havent been on the site in quite a few years. The PC stuff is all new to me. Prolly wont fool with it.

O see some are using XTP bullets. Hornady XTP in 44 mag, 240 gr is what got me into casting bullets.

Ishot the from wild to mild on game and never Once had one expand. Like Never. Handguns, carbines, muzzle loader. Never. So I wont use them in the Legend

[cwlongshot]

The lee push thru will size pistol Bullets pretty easily. I just recommend lube as if lubing a case for sizing.

CW

[cwlongshot]

250612250613Today my buddy was able to shoot some 140FTX bullets into his “bullet box”. Wet magazines. Distance was 50 yards. Velocity was 2250, 100 FPS slower than I shoot them. But the expansion surprised me!! They actually held together MUCH better then I envisioned.

I’m still waiting on my Midway order for the 165g FTX. But these look like they just might be fine!!

CW

[whip2111]

Just shot mine over the weekend-very impressed with accuracy on hornady 3501 170 gr.sp but with cast 180 grain bullets it was all over the place

[dverna]

250612250613Today my buddy was able to shoot some 140FTX bullets into his “bullet box”. Wet magazines. Distance was 50 yards. Velocity was 2250, 100 FPS slower than I shoot them. But the expansion surprised me!! They actually held together MUCH better then I envisioned.

I’m still waiting on my Midway order for the 165g FTX. But these look like they just might be fine!!

CW

Like they say on Forged in Fire..."It will kiilll"

BTW, I talked my buddy (he does not reload) out of getting a .350L after reading about the issues with factory ammunition and varying case lengths. He called today and told me the "experts" at Cabela's were not hearing good things about the cartridge.

Some yahoos think this should be the equal of the .450 in terms of knockdown power. Always wonder why anyone thinks you need to blow a deer off its feet to kill it. It will be an excellent choice for medium game.

It is a shame that Winchester did not do it right. Wrong bore size (needed to be .358), wrong cartridge (needed to be necked up .223), and then produced some crappy factory ammunition. I wonder if it will be obsolete in 20 years. If I had one, I would put up 1000 cases just in case.

When the sales guys at a place like Cabela's are dissing it, it does not bode well. The sad part, there is no redo. The "correct" cartridge would be so close to the Legend to be dangerous.

CW, I am enjoying the thread and following with interest. Good job!

[tomme boy]

It is the right bore. 357mag and maxi's are 0.355" bore. The difference is in the throat.

[cwlongshot]

250739Got the 165’s tonight...

[rockrat]

My Ruger American is .356" bore and can seat a .357" bullet in a fired case with slight pressure.

[cwlongshot]

I have wanted to use 300-MP powder in my Maxi’s and now this Legend. But even tho I have waiting no one is providing data for either.

So I began compiling data for what was offered and extrapolating a conservative start. Burn rate should be close to 4227 The powder is commonly grouped with H110/296/2400/#9/Vit N110

Last night I loaded a large ladder Five per loading for fifty rounds. I have not read of light load problems with this powder so I started in heavy 357 Magnum territory. 18g. Peaking at 22.

I was able to get some 170g data from Hogdon and will also load some up with 296 to try tomorrow.

Ill fire a single round over a chrono watching closely. Once I get to vel range 1800 ish and do nit see pressure signs, Ill start accuracy.

[cwlongshot]

250949My loads for the Legend using 300-MP powder and a 165g FTX. Where on the conservative side. And this powder dosent like light loads. As my velocity readings showed. I was in the 1400 range and it fluctuated up and down as I increased the powder. Maybe 20g it settled a bit. At 21.5g (most I loaded) The vel was 1948. This was only load I shot for accuracy and it was right @ 1” @ 50 yards. So not great and not awefull.
I also loaded 21g 296 under the same 165 FTX. That load clocked 2196 and it was about 3/4”. Its a warm load visually I havent measured the case heads yet.

After examining the cases. Im figuring on loading another ladder. Starting at 21.5g up to 24/25. This powder runs about 2g more than H110 in the 357Mag. The H110 load for a 170g is 25g IIRC So I should be safe to 25 g at least.

Ill do it over the chrono as thats as good a tell as anything where things should be.

Ill also load more of those 296 loads as they show good promise.

CW

[beltfed]

Winchester could have just as well re-introduced the "351 Winchester Self Loading",
But 0.100" longer case so it could not be used in the old Win rifles
beltfed/arnie

[johnly]

Winchester could have just as well re-introduced the "351 Winchester Self Loading",
But 0.100" longer case so it could not be used in the old Win rifles
beltfed/arnie

The 351 Winchester used .348" bullet diameter.
Would have liked a .358" bore on the 350 Legend, but I'll make due with the .355".
Time to go shopping for a Lee push through sizer.

Update:
I have a RCBS 180 Silhouette mold that drops a bit too skinny for a .358 bore, but is looking like a good choice for my 350 Legend. With a bullet sized to .357" and seated with a taper crimp applied, loaded rounds drop into the chamber of my GLFA barrel. Hopefully I can find time for a trip to the range and see how they cycle and shoot.

[johnly]

The 350 Legend AR made its first trip to the range today.
The downside was that the batteries were dead in the red dot, so I just checked for functionality and velocity with the RCBS 180 silhouette sized to .357"
23.0 of Lil Gun launched the bullets at a quick 2245 fps. Thought this was going to me a mid-pressure load, but it's all I would consider using with this bullet.
Next up was the same bullet with 23.0 WC680 which developed 1800 fps. 24 grains did 1850 fps and 25 grains did 1910 fps.
The maximum charge that can fit in the case under this bullet looks to be about 28 grains.
All loads cycled and the fired cases would slip fit a .357" diameter bullet, just barely.

[cwlongshot]

Good information!

Is that powder a AA#9 equlivent?

My 296 load is shooting great for me. Im not a lil gun fan.

CW

[johnly]

WC680 is similar to AA1680, WW 680, and slower burning that WW296.
Lil'Gun has been hit and miss for me. Huge velocity variations in the 22 Hornet, but seems to settle down when used in 35 caliber bores and larger.
Accurate Powder will have 350 Legend data available in January.

190 RCBS Silhouette .357 22.0 Lil'Gun CCI 400 Starline 2203
190 RCBS Silhouette .357 23.0 Lil'Gun CCI 400 Starline 2245
190 RCBS Silhouette .357 23.0 WC680 CCI 400 Starline 1801
190 RCBS Silhouette .357 24.0 WC680 CCI 400 Starline 1848
190 RCBS Silhouette .357 25.0 WC680 CCI 400 Starline 1910
190 RCBS Silhouette .357 26.0 WC680 CCI 400 Starline 1988
190 RCBS Silhouette .357 27.0 WC680 CCI 400 Starline 2060
190 RCBS Silhouette .357 28.0 WC680 CCI 400 Starline 2111

[WBH]

dverna
About 15 years ago i developed the 357 Super Max cartridge that in fact used a .357 Boolit and was based of a neck expanded .223 Rem/5.56 Nato case. Clymer made my reamer and I cut a 357 25" Green Mountain barrel. Indexing the gas port and the barrel extension were a bit of a challenge for the AR platform, but all came together. Then I found a small supply of unformed straight 5.56 LC brass. Well about 5 years ago that dried up and low and behold this year Starline started making .223 straight brass. My case length is 1.670" and the case just above the base is slightly smaller in diameter than the 350, though the performance is almost identical. 4227,2400, 1680, and 296 have all performed well. I do not use 296 with cast boolits though.
the 350 has a very slight taper while mine is essentially straight. its nice to see my idea now "mainstream" . I only built a Legend so I could compare the two under exact loadings. Should be fun.

[BrutalAB]

Max dies will NOT work. Base of the 350 is too large @ .390! I have loaded some just “neck” or partial sizing. But they are not perfect. (They shoot pretty good too!)

CW


Just ordered a 350 upper. Started looking for dies and had the idea maybe i could save some money and try 357 dies first. Glad you posted this.

To expand on this though, is it just the sizing die this is a problem with, or does it screw up functionality of all dies.

[cwlongshot]

253736

The seating die should work. I have tried recently. I picked up a set if LEE and so far they are OK.

I received some “home made” bullets of 180 and 200g from a mold he borrowed from Olfeller. Pic above.

Gonna try them Sunday.

CW

[BrutalAB]

Looks like i will be doing some half sizing for a bit, cant find 350 legend dies in stock anywhere.
Would i be correct in assuming that a 9mm seater would work better since it would give a taper crimp instead of a roll crimp?

[cwlongshot]

https://www.grafs.com/catalog/category/categoryId/4723

Looks like Graffs has some LEE eBay sellers do too
CW

[BrutalAB]

Thanks. Got it on its way now. Should be getting everything in all at once.

[cwlongshot]

Thanks. Got it on its way now. Should be getting everything in all at once.
:bigsmyl2::bigsmyl2::bigsmyl2::bigsmyl2::guntootsm iley:

[Dapaki]

Got an email fron Bear Creek Arsenal, they now have a complete upper chambered for the 350 Legend.

I picked up the 20" version last week. Just got some Winchester 145 gr plinkers to dirty the bore a little and some 400 Starline brass on the way plus the Lee C358-200-RF 2 cavity mold. Anybody loaded this boolit into the 350 Legend yet?

[cwlongshot]

I have shot some yes. That as well as the 358315 RN version

The RN didn’t do well with powders I tried. The RCBS358-200 is like your lee and shot pretty good for me.

I borrowed a MP 220-359 HP I’m Trying next (looks just like the bullets we are talking about.

255224

CW

[Dapaki]

Nice lookin' boolits there CW!

I cast and gas checked mine then dry sized them all before PC then after, did a lubed sizing to 0.001" over bore size.

I decided to work up the load from scratch using Hogdons base with W296/H110 on the 180gr pill listed. I ended at 21gr of H110 on top of Federal SRP primers, and saw no evidence of re-flow or flattening, the case didn't seem to elongate either.

I am impressed with the grouping I got at 50 yds, my red dot is 3 MOA and all 15 rounds ended under the dot with nice splatter (I shoot steel) stars spreading evenly. Group was about 1.5".

Bear Creek made a nice upper, the barrel remains clean visually and I have a big ole' smile on my face!

255677

[Phlier]

Gents, I really apologize for the ignorant question. I just barely started researching 350 Legend dies, so I apologize if this has been asked and answered already. I haven't done nearly the amount of reading on this subject yet as I should. But...

Does anyone make a carbide sizing die for 350 Legend? My limited searching hasn't come up with one yet.

Thanks for taking it easy on me and my laziness today. :)

[cwlongshot]

Hello Phil.

No, not that I am aware of and it’s unlikely a cuss Winchester choose to taper the case by blowing it out a few thousandths at the web.

I have read of guys sizing on 9mm or 357 Dies. Neither one will bring the case back to spec but might allow chambering albeit not good for brass life.

Lining the brass isn’t a big deal.

CW

[Phlier]

Thanks for that, CW

[klenke.ryan]

I picked up the 20" version last week. Just got some Winchester 145 gr plinkers to dirty the bore a little and some 400 Starline brass on the way plus the Lee C358-200-RF 2 cavity mold. Anybody loaded this boolit into the 350 Legend yet?I'm loading the Lee bullet, haven't gotten great accuracy yet, but I've probably only shot 50 or so. I think I like how LG works with this bullet. What oal are you using?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200130/b3955bd2a33869abd8da9f3f3fba21a5.jpg

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[McFred]

So, has anyone maxed out a 90-110gr pistol bullet in a .350L yet? Seems that you could really splatter some jugs/varmints with some JHPs at 2700+fps. Just cuirous. I haven't seen anyone try the lighter end of the spectrum yet.

[Dapaki]

I'm loading the Lee bullet, haven't gotten great accuracy yet, but I've probably only shot 50 or so. I think I like how LG works with this bullet. What oal are you using?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200130/b3955bd2a33869abd8da9f3f3fba21a5.jpg

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All the way out to 2.125?

[Dapaki]

Just the 124gr pills from Barry's, they held together well at 2300 fps and punched nice holes in 16ga steel from 50 yds.

I have the 90 and 110 grain molds but there is no way they will load in my AR even being seated to the edge of the heel.

[Tonto]

I just acquired a 350Legend AR Upper from Bear Creek, dies and brass from a LGS (that robbed me...) and have test fired a couple of 180 Gr loads and am quite happy so far. I had a pint container of the RCBS 358 SIL style gas checked and sized to .358 and it was an easy task to size them to .356 many years later. I loaded them with 22 gr of H110, LEE dies, no FCD I just ran them twice thru the sizer die and crimped to take the bell from the case mouth and they cycled the gun just fine, primers looked good (Wolf SR) and it was new Starline brass. At first I resisted because of the brass and 9mm issue but the upper was so affordable I can easily get a couple hundred pieces of brass and be set regardless of the future for this round. I like it, I have a 223, 6.5 Grendel, 300 BLK (rifle and handgun uppers), 458 SOCOM and now the Legend. I was going to go 358 YETI but the price of that made the Legend an easy choice. Now maybe a Beowolf.......too much fun. I have the RCBS 250 -35 mould and will eventually try subsonic with that......This is the grown up version of a TC Contender/Encore with extra barrels. I npw need better optics for them all.

[Michael J. Spangler]

Well I just had my first go round with 350 Legend in an AR.
Loaded some Lee 358-200 with CFEBLK and some with Win 296.
I was impressed with the velocities. Running 1800+ from a 16.5” barrel.

However I couldn’t hit the target board ��

My educated guess is that the alloy was too soft. Though it works well for my 357 magnum loads this is a little hotter round.

So I’m going to use some richer alloy and water drop it. I did really like shooting it though. I think this will be my new favorite AR cartridge

What alloy are you all using?

[Gone_rabid]

So, has anyone maxed out a 90-110gr pistol bullet in a .350L yet? Seems that you could really splatter some jugs/varmints with some JHPs at 2700+fps. Just cuirous. I haven't seen anyone try the lighter end of the spectrum yet.

I had loaded and fired 90gr Lehigh extreme penetrators. They were going 2980 fps with 29gr of w296 and had them up to 3200 fps.

[Boerrancher]

I haven’t shot any Powder Coated Cast out of my 350 as of yet but I did find that 27.5 grs of Lil’Gun in a Winchester Or Federal case set off by a Fed 205 primer, and topped with that Hornady 165 gr FTX is an amazing whitetail killer. At an average of 2389 fps for a MV it won’t shoot through a MO Whitetail inside of 100 yds. No need to worry about a blood trail either. They are laying right there, and the accuracy is SubMOA at 100 yds.

[cwlongshot]

Thats some impressive preformance for sure!!!

I also like that 165 FTX best of the available bullets. I push it with 296, to 2350 and its hovers MOA.

Took a deer with a MP 359-220 HP Pushed by Herco to 1450 fps. 50 yards thru both lungs and the heart before exiting in a large nickel sized exit. VERY LITTLE blood shot meat. Traveled 55/60 yards stopped and tipped onto his nose all inside of me.

CW

[McFred]

I had loaded and fired 90gr Lehigh extreme penetrators. They were going 2980 fps with 29gr of w296 and had them up to 3200 fps.

So how's about those 65gr hollow base Lehighs? 3500 fps? Maybe more?!? :D

[cwlongshot]

I have some 56g ARX bullets made for the .380, I been thinking of trying. QL shows I can pas 3100...

CW