Remmington Accelerator

[abunaitoo]

Blast from the past.
Not that old, but old box, so 1970's????
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[Winger Ed.]

There used to be someone selling the plastic sabot back in the 80's-90's.
You could put a .224 bullet in one and load it in .30 cal.

Or a .50 cal sabot you could insert a .30 in.

I tried the smaller one back then, but I'd do good to get a 10" group with them.
But they did boast about getting well over 4,000 fps with them.

You had to buy a bag of 1,000, and it was about $30.
I think I finally threw out the ones I had left over.

[M-Tecs]

Shot enough coyotes with 30-06 Remington Accelerators to purchase a dedicated coyote rifle. Out of my 06 they would hold 2 MOA. That was better than the other rifles we tried them in. With dad's 06 6 to 8 moa was normal. I still have a box. POI was way different in my rifle.

[Earlwb]

I remember them. The things were pretty neat at the time. It extended the versatility of the 30-06 into the varmint range to some extent. Unfortunately it wasn't popular enough. I think we have had some people sell sabots for various calibers over the years though. Yes, they still sell them too. ref https://www.eabco.net/Accelerator-Type-Sabots-for-30-Caliber-Cartridges-100_p_13645.html

[JSnover]

I rolled my own in the 90s, still have a bag of the sabots.

[1Hawkeye]

I remember them as a kid in the late 70's-early 80's. I had a box of them in .30-30 Win.

[country gent]

Ive saw them in 308, 30-06 and 30-30. We tried the 308s in a model 88 Winchester on the farm for wood chucks and other varmints. They worked but weren't as good as a dedicated varmint rifle in 222 or 22-250.
I have thought about picking up some of the sabots to try and see what could be done in my 300 win mag.

[Bazoo]

I've shot a couple out of a 30-30 years back. I don't remember anything about them. I'd like to have some of the sabots to try some now, but I ain't sure I want them bad enough to pay what those folks are asking. I ain't searched on it but I bet a cast bullet would be pretty fun in one. If it didn't disintegrate.

[Petrol & Powder]

Wow, I remember those. I shot a few but was never impressed. The higher velocity yielded a flatter trajectory but any gains from the flatter trajectory were eliminated by the terrible accuracy.
If you had a 30 caliber rifle and knew the range to target, you were far better off just using a 30 caliber bullet.

I used to shoot groundhogs with a .308 Win. and people would say that was "overkill"? I said that it always killed the groundhog just enough and I never killed one too much :smile:

[1Hawkeye]

Yes, I remember the .30-30 win ones I had were not very accurate and very loud. As a kid I did think it was a great idea though even if you couldn't use them in a tube magazine.

[dtknowles]

I still load some sometimes. I can hold 3 moa out of my Ruger M77 using cast bullets. When I posted that I could shoot cast at almost 4000 fps without leading I had to explain :-). They kick a lot less than full bore jacketed loads and ring the gong louder than a .223 M4. I sort the sabots by the letter on the bottom and also look for flash or defects.

Tim

[am44mag]

There used to be someone selling the plastic sabot back in the 80's-90's.
You could put a .224 bullet in one and load it in .30 cal.

Or a .50 cal sabot you could insert a .30 in.

I tried the smaller one back then, but I'd do good to get a 10" group with them.
But they did boast about getting well over 4,000 fps with them.

You had to buy a bag of 1,000, and it was about $30.
I think I finally threw out the ones I had left over.

I believe they still sell them. I bought a bag of about 100 back around 2012-2015 (I think). A 55gr .224" bullet in a 30-06 is stoopid fast. IIRC, they had data for 300 Win Mag with velocities in the 4,600-5,000 FPS range. I think the 30-06 loads were a more reasonable 4,000-4,300 FPS.

I got decent accuracy at 100 yards. I have no idea what you would use these things on though. I've heard stories of small varmints "disappearing" after being shot with one of these.

[trapper9260]

I got a full box of 30-06 of these that I got back in the 90's and was going to try them out but did not do that ,I did found a place to buy what you need to load them and I had call the place up on the use of cast boolit and told me that the boolit would not hold up for the speed it will go that need to just use jacket in it. I got all that is needed to load them just need to try them out some time. I did read some time ago that someone in FL use them to do someone in and they could not use the ballistics on the bullet because there was none. unless they found the sabot . That is why they stop sell the loaded rounds I was told.

[lavenatti]

They're still available at eabco.

https://www.eabco.com/remington-accelerator-sabots.html

They have load data on their website also.

[Earlwb]

There is more reloading information here too http://www.sabotreloadingpro.com/reloading_data
They also sell sabots as well.

I ran across this page about the Remington Accellerators and why the things disappeared.
http://www.ammo-one.com/RemingtonAccelators.html


Remington introduced the Accelerator in 3 calibers: 30-30, 308, 30-06, in 1977.
As you can see by the pictures, these are not new calibers, just a special loading using a sabot that
enables a .22" diameter projectile to be discharged from a .30" diameter barrel.
(22 Caliber fired from .30 Caliber) .
Reports of velocities of more than 4,000 feet per second are more than possible, as the sabot drops off
right at the barrel opening, leaving the small .22 projectile to speed on its way.
Due to the Democrats anti-gun issues, as no rifling marks are on the 22 projectile that is fired from the firearm,
Remington yielded to government pressure and stopped making the accelerators in 308 (7.62 NATO)
& 30-06 as theyare fired in military semi-auto and fully auto rifles.
The 30-30 & 30-06 accelerator may still be produced, as the 30-30 is a rimmed cartridge not used in
semi-auto, or fully auto weapons, and the government believes the 30-30 is less apt to be used in a crime.
You can buy the sabots and load your own 30-06 or 308, no laws against it, but I am not sure it will work that well
in a semi-auto firearm.

[johniv]

I used some in the 30 06 . At 4000+ FPS I don't think there is gonna be much left of most .22 cal. bullets to examine.

[Slick Pilot]

I loaded some for M1 carbine and they functioned well after a bit of tinkering with seating depth. It has been a few years and I do not remember how good or bad the accuracy was. I still have a bunch of the plastic sheaths.

Now I have something to go and experiment all over with again...

[trapper9260]

There is more reloading information here too http://www.sabotreloadingpro.com/reloading_data
They also sell sabots as well.

I ran across this page about the Remington Accellerators and why the things disappeared.
http://www.ammo-one.com/RemingtonAccelators.html

You got the site that I was thinking of it is sabot reloading

[Earlwb]

I think that one needs to load down to the 3200 to 3600 fps range as going for 4,000 fps or more probably exceeds what the bullets were designed for. Then we need to take in account the rifling twist rate to maybe help determine what weight of bullets to use. These sabots might work better with the heavier 22 bullets we now have available to us.

I just got some sabots in today. I had to get some to fix my nostalgia urge I got reading this thread.

[too many things]

bought a case when they came out . still have about 15 boxes. i had no problems out of a rem 700. fun on a water melon field

[poppy42]

I use some on woodchucks a long time ago not much left but 2 ears and a piece of the tail! Didn’t matter were you hit em all ya saw in the scope was some red mist! Might have to get a few sabots and reload a few. I never shot more than a few at a time. They kinda gooed up the bore if I remember correctly

[Skipper]

I vaporized a feral cat with the '06 Accelerator that was causing problems back in the '70s.
At 30 yards all I could see through the scope was tiny bits of fluff falling out of the sky.

[gunarea]

Hey Guys
Still have several hundred left over from 1980s research and varmit eradication. Georgia groundhog was the primary target with the occasional, armadillo, racoon, turkey, squirrel and rat, wandering into the kill zone. Two types used in three calibers and five different rifles. Many different projectiles including two different cast varities. The results were varied and interesting. My 30-06 Remington, Kodiak model with Schilen polygonal barrel, was pinpoint accurate to 400yds with devastating effect at 4150fps on 10lb (average weight) North Georgia groundhogs. 30-30 and 32 mag were inaccurate over 3000fps and exhibited keyholing. You want more info??
Roy

[John F.]

Hey Guys
Still have several hundred left over from 1980s... "You want more info??"
Roy

Yes, Please!! Anything you care to share, especially about factors affecting accuracy. Thanks very much!
John