Ruger PC, now in 40S&W!

[Lefty Red]

Posting this here because it’s a pistol caliber carbine!

https://www.ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/models.html

[ReloaderFred]

That's interesting, since now it would be possible to get the back half in .40 S&W, a front half in 9x19, and rechamber the 9x19 into 357 Sig and have something that will shoot flatter and faster.

I just wish they'd make it in either .38 Super or 9x23 Winchester, since I think that would make a handy little carbine with a little speed and versatility.

The mind is such an evil thing............[smilie=6:

[Love Life]

Lame. We need one on 45 acp!

[Bigslug]

Lame. We need one on 45 acp!

Yep. That takes 1911 mags, not some flavor of the week offering.

Kinda puzzled by their choice, as the .40 seems to be falling quickly out of favor in the LE realm. The federal alphabet soup agencies are dropping it right and left. Granted, it makes more sense once you accept a rifle's weight and can give it a breech block heavy enough to deal with the round's snappy, pistol-breaking recoil, but if you are getting rid of the pistols that might accompany it, the multi-platform appeal is GONE.

[Lefty Red]

Lame. We need one on 45 acp!

I’m thinking the same thing! I was surprised to see anything new in 40S&W from Ruger. Well from any manufacturer really. And I would have though 45ACP was the next logical choice, since the RAP was never produced in 40S&W and everything else has been in 9mm.

Thinking Ruger must have a slew of 40S&W magazines from their SR line. LOL

Lefty

[Burnt Fingers]

I’m thinking the same thing! I was surprised to see anything new in 40S&W from Ruger. Well from any manufacturer really. And I would have though 45ACP was the next logical choice, since the RAP was never produced in 40S&W and everything else has been in 9mm.

Thinking Ruger must have a slew of 40S&W magazines from their SR line. LOL

Lefty

If I had to guess I'd say 90% or more of PCC owners are using Glock mags.

I owned NO Glock mags before I got my PCC. Glock mags are much less expensive than Ruger SR mags and you can get reliable 33 round Glock mags for $12 if you watch the sales.

[Lefty Red]

Burnt Fingers,

I wouldn’t have to say yes they are, and especially in the 9mm version as you can get new PMags or Admend2 mags for about $10 when you catch them sale. But lots of cheap 40S&W mags from Glock are around.

I have a Kel Tec Sub2000 in 40 now, it’s paired with an older G23. I would like to get the Ruger PC in 40 and pair it with a G27, as the PC will take the shortest Glock mags and the Kel Tec will not. And I have a slew of the Sub Compact ones around here!

Lefty

[dk17hmr]

40 was logical because the mags are the same size as 9mm so the whole rifle doesn't need to be redesigned like if you went to 10mm or 45acp.

I personally prefer 40 over 9 especially from a carbine barrel and with a can on it. I have AR uppers in both 40 & 9 they both get shot alot but I find everything with 40 more enjoyable. My fingers hate dealing with 9.

Call me when they make a 45 I might be interested in that.

[WebMonkey]

The beauty of the magwell insert.
Someone could make just about any mag compatible.
Probably not enough profit to tool up though.

I use the glock insert in my ruger PCC.
My g26 mags look good and work well in the PCC.

[cwlongshot]

Thanks for posting!

Mine is on order!

LOVE your thinking reloaderfred!!!

CW

[Texas by God]

I don't see why the .40 is losing ground since despite it's Short & Weak nickname it's more powerful than the 9mm Parabelly. .38 WCF ballistics in a Shield or similar size pistol seems like a good idea to me. I had a .40 Shield and liked it except the poi was low and I can't stand that in a pistol. I may try another .40 some day if it becomes out of fashion because I'm fond of underdogs[emoji846]

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[cwlongshot]

I filter out the drolling drivel.

Its just the limp wristed Sallys belly achin’ anyhow. THEY cant shoot it so no one else should have one.

Facts are facts the 40 aint weak, it has better ballistics than a 9. Shoots heavier, larger dia bullets faster. As ALL hand guns are “weak” compaired to a rifle. Ill choose to learn to be proficent with it. It is a substantial caliber offered in a small compact frame. Its a tool, when used tools wear out. If and when they do Ill replace them.

Something that always ammuses me. EVERY SINGLE 9mm guy, will feel the need to justify his caliber choice. They know all the cute lil phraises, short n weak, wears out guns. Snappy recoil... When has anyone EVER herd a 40 or 45 man justify there choice... There used to be a t-shirt, Why a 45? Answer; Because yhere aunt a 46.


Im super excited. I had written this one off as even Ruger dropped 40 from its handgun line! I would have bet this came out at shot show. When it didnt I assumed the 45 would be logical next caliber. I would have been pleased with that. Ill be VERY PLESANTLY suprised to see a 10mm. Its a blow back and a 10mm requires alot of weight and/or heavy springs. Folks wont like the added weight or hard to manupulate bolt.

If you like the 9 BUY & SHOOT IT!! Just dont tell me what I should or need to shoot!

To me, I just hit the lotto!! I called my dealer at home last night to order this!!!

CW

[NyFirefighter357]

That's a specialized high powered assault weapon specifically designed to kill people and banned here in NY!

[edp2k]

That's a specialized high powered assault weapon specifically designed to kill people and banned here in NY!

No it's not banned in NY state.
Get the models that have non-threaded barrels and 10 round mags and you are perfectly legal in cuomo's people's paradise.

Go to the website and see that there is at least 1 model in 9mm and 1 model in 40 that are OK in NY.
https://www.ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/models.html

[NyFirefighter357]

Right because without the threaded barrel and heat shield it's just a plain gun. That was kind of my point to begin with. I don't see any without the threaded barrel, you know how much more deadly barrel threads make a gun!


No it's not banned in NY state.
Get the models that have non-threaded barrels and 10 round mags and you are perfectly legal in cuomo's people's paradise.

Go to the website and see that there is at least 1 model in 9mm and 1 model in 40 that are OK in NY.
https://www.ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/models.html

[Burnt Fingers]

I filter out the drolling drivel.

Its just the limp wristed Sallys belly achin’ anyhow. THEY cant shoot it so no one else should have one.

Facts are facts the 40 aint weak, it has better ballistics than a 9. Shoots heavier, larger dia bullets faster. As ALL hand guns are “weak” compaired to a rifle. Ill choose to learn to be proficent with it. It is a substantial caliber offered in a small compact frame. Its a tool, when used tools wear out. If and when they do Ill replace them.

Something that always ammuses me. EVERY SINGLE 9mm guy, will feel the need to justify his caliber choice. They know all the cute lil phraises, short n weak, wears out guns. Snappy recoil... When has anyone EVER herd a 40 or 45 man justify there choice... There used to be a t-shirt, Why a 45? Answer; Because yhere aunt a 46.


Im super excited. I had written this one off as even Ruger dropped 40 from its handgun line! I would have bet this came out at shot show. When it didnt I assumed the 45 would be logical next caliber. I would have been pleased with that. Ill be VERY PLESANTLY suprised to see a 10mm. Its a blow back and a 10mm requires alot of weight and/or heavy springs. Folks wont like the added weight or hard to manupulate bolt.

If you like the 9 BUY & SHOOT IT!! Just dont tell me what I should or need to shoot!

To me, I just hit the lotto!! I called my dealer at home last night to order this!!!

CW

I actually prefer .45 ACP. But the .40 Short and Weak is just that. It's one of the few times in cartridge history where the full power round came first then the lower power round came second.

.38 SPL -> .357 Mag
.44 SPL -> .44 Mag
.22 short -> .22 LR
10mm -> 10mm Mag
.38 ACP -> .38 Super

vs

10mm -> .40 Short and Weak.

It's shorter and weaker than the round that proceeded it.

I'll have to look at my 9mm PCC and see if it would be possible to adapt it to a .45 ACP sized magazine. Looking at pictures it appears that it would be possible to have a .45 ACP mag and adaptor in the current magazine well.

[Lloyd Smale]

I see no mention of a 40 on that link. Just the 9mm
Posting this here because it’s a pistol caliber carbine!

https://www.ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/models.html

[cwlongshot]

I see no mention of a 40 on that link. Just the 9mm

Here ya go Lloyd:

https://oimg.photobucket.com/albums/v465/CWLONGSHOT/Temp%20stuff/sporting%20pics/Ruger%20PC%20carbine/74012C60-49E5-4535-896F-68801793D789_zpsuhv9svur.png

https://oimg.photobucket.com/albums/v465/CWLONGSHOT/Temp%20stuff/sporting%20pics/Ruger%20PC%20carbine/C5C8599E-8E30-4A5F-87F2-2D1F4DFB3267_zpshagiy0f5.png

I put mine on order Friday Night and made the Deposit Yesterday. My dealers distributor has them catalogued, but the distributor doesn't have one yet.

CW

[Lloyd Smale]

They got the hook in my mouth but haven't set it yet. So darned ugly and I have two ars in 9mm but do want a carbine in 40. had a highpoint and it was a good gun but even uglier. If I happen on to one around 500 bucks I might just let them set that hook.

[cwlongshot]

I actually prefer .45 ACP. But the .40 Short and Weak is just that. It's one of the few times in cartridge history where the full power round came first then the lower power round came second.

.38 SPL -> .357 Mag
.44 SPL -> .44 Mag
.22 short -> .22 LR
10mm -> 10mm Mag
.38 ACP -> .38 Super

vs

10mm -> .40 Short and Weak.

It's shorter and weaker than the round that proceeded it.

I'll have to look at my 9mm PCC and see if it would be possible to adapt it to a .45 ACP sized magazine. Looking at pictures it appears that it would be possible to have a .45 ACP mag and adaptor in the current magazine well.

I fail to see the importance of WHEN something was introduced... I like the 45 Allot too, but the 40's ballistics are ... ARE what the 45 claims to be. That being a 180G @ 1000 fps. (After nearly 20years carrying a 40, I went back to the 45 When the Shield 45 came out.)

Short and Weak is silly put down showing posters level on knowledge...

Is a 32 H&R labeled shorter and weaker because there is now a 327 mag?

Was the 38 S&W labeled a short and weak because the 38 Outdoorsmen was introduced?

Also, to address your time line argument is the 41 Special anything LESS because the 41 Mag came before it?

The 40 was the direct result of the FBI calling for something...

Just as the 9MM is enjoying the spotlight because the FBI endorses it.

Here is a NEWS FLASH, before anyone jumps on the Powder improvements make the 9MM great... These Improvements, improve ALL CALIBERS. That argument is invalid.

Just choose your caliber for your own reasons, go shoot it and enjoy life.

CW

[onelight]

I am glad to see it I like the 40 and I like 9 it’s cheap to shoot and I like 45 the bigger the bore , the more I feel it will be effective with simple cast flat points I like all three but can’t help but think the smaller you go in these three the more dependent you are on “magic bullets” provided by the major manufacturers perfectly designed to penetrate through 4 layers of denim on a 12 to 16” gel block at $1.00 a shot . I carry HST and gold dots but there are places you can’t even buy them.
Without magic bullets frontal area and sectional density win my vote.

[DocSavage]

For a 45 carbine what's so hard about 2 adaptors,1 for standard 1911 mags the other for Glock mags. A 9x23 Win might be pushing things abit in a blow back type of rifle IIRC the 9x23 operates at 50 K psi.

[cwlongshot]

I agree, they SHOULD definitely go the extra and include a 1911 mag insert adaptor. the design is perfect for any number of magazine adaption.

It was a huge part of my buying a 45 Marlin Camp Carbine some twenty years ago!! [smilie=l:

CW

[waco]

They got the hook in my mouth but haven't set it yet. So darned ugly and I have two ars in 9mm but do want a carbine in 40. had a highpoint and it was a good gun but even uglier. If I happen on to one around 500 bucks I might just let them set that hook.

I think these look pretty cool.https://www.ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/specSheets/19117.html

[Lloyd Smale]

45acp-45gap
9mm-380
475 Linebaugh-480
6.5x55-6.5 creedmore
06-270 280 2506
Seems today that theres more of a trend toward going less powerful then more. Whats comical to me is the craze to go back to the 9mm. Seems they have some convinced that the 9 is just as good of a round because of modern bullets. What they fail to say is those modern bullets are made for the 40 too. Only advantage the 9 has over the 40 is recoil period. People cant handle a little bit of recoil so have to find a way to justify going smaller without looking like a wimp. Truth be told the 40 with the same "high tech" bullets should if anything not be dieing but gaining steam. It shoots those high tech bullets as fast as the 9 does its high tech bullets and compare it to the 45 and you give up some weight but have a 200 fps or more advantage in velocity which makes it much closer in the real world to the 45 then it is to the 9. If the 40 is short and week then the 9 should be loaded with pink bullets.
I actually prefer .45 ACP. But the .40 Short and Weak is just that. It's one of the few times in cartridge history where the full power round came first then the lower power round came second. I love it though. About 6 months ago I picked up a 22 glock like new for 300 bucks with 3 mags. I asked the kid (and he was a kid) behind the counter why it was so cheap. He said nobody wants them anymore because the 9s are more powerful!!!! Thank God for stupidity.

.38 SPL -> .357 Mag
.44 SPL -> .44 Mag
.22 short -> .22 LR
10mm -> 10mm Mag
.38 ACP -> .38 Super

vs

10mm -> .40 Short and Weak.

It's shorter and weaker than the round that proceeded it.

I'll have to look at my 9mm PCC and see if it would be possible to adapt it to a .45 ACP sized magazine. Looking at pictures it appears that it would be possible to have a .45 ACP mag and adaptor in the current magazine well.

[Lloyd Smale]

I agree and that's the one id be buying.
I think these look pretty cool.https://www.ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/specSheets/19117.html

[Chainsaw.]

Two thoughts.
1. I think .40 in this particular carbine is a welcome addition, perhaps more so than 9mm. Might have to go find a street price on it.

2. There alot of ego waving in this thread.

[FergusonTO35]

I think the .40 is a sweet cartridge when loaded to duplicate .38-40 performance. I use 4.2 grains Bullseye under a Lee 175 in my Glock 22 for an accurate and easy shooting 900 fps. With a slower powder and a carbine barrel I bet the .40 would really shine, no reason you couldn't use it for deer and hogs within reasonable range.

[Idaho45guy]

I have no need for the Ruger Carbine, but others definitely do, and I applaud the addition of a more powerful caliber choice.

I have an Extar EP9 PCC in 9mm, but it is more useful to me than the Ruger for the following reason:

1. The Ruger is too big and too heavy. The whole purpose, FOR ME, for a PCC is to have something with greater capacity and accuracy than a pistol, but is still compact and easily stowable. Yes, the Ruger can be taken down, but what good is it in two pieces?

239978

My Extar EP9 is under 2' and under 4lbs. It accepts Glock magazines without an adapter, and is extremely accurate.

I'm sure the Ruger is a fine range toy, but for it's size and weight, you can get an AR-based firearm that has many more options for customization. But for a truck gun for the ranch in which a more powerful caliber is not wanted, then the Ruger would be just fine.

I just think that if I'm going to restrict myself to a pistol caliber, then I want it as light and handy as possible...

239979

[Burnt Fingers]

45acp-45gap
9mm-380
475 Linebaugh-480
6.5x55-6.5 creedmore
06-270 280 2506
Seems today that theres more of a trend toward going less powerful then more. Whats comical to me is the craze to go back to the 9mm. Seems they have some convinced that the 9 is just as good of a round because of modern bullets. What they fail to say is those modern bullets are made for the 40 too. Only advantage the 9 has over the 40 is recoil period. People cant handle a little bit of recoil so have to find a way to justify going smaller without looking like a wimp. Truth be told the 40 with the same "high tech" bullets should if anything not be dieing but gaining steam. It shoots those high tech bullets as fast as the 9 does its high tech bullets and compare it to the 45 and you give up some weight but have a 200 fps or more advantage in velocity which makes it much closer in the real world to the 45 then it is to the 9. If the 40 is short and week then the 9 should be loaded with pink bullets.

I don't see a lot of people abandoning .45 ACP for .45 GAP. Glock hasn't even put it in the Gen. 4 pistols.

[cwlongshot]

Yea the gap has proven to be a real red headed step child of the Glock line.

Looks good on paper, addressing the larger grip diameter. Simply said, many shooters like to complain and NEED something to complain about! [smilie=l:

CW

[sukivel]

I had an original PC4, it was a really fun gun to shoot but I hated the odd trigger.

Hopefully they remedied that...


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[BHill]

Yea the gap has proven to be a real red headed step child of the Glock line.

Looks good on paper, addressing the larger grip diameter. Simply said, many shooters like to complain and NEED something to complain about! [smilie=l:

CW

Need a like button for this.

[cwlongshot]

I also wish we had a like button!!

So many great comments from Like minded individuals!

CW

[Burnt Fingers]

I had an original PC4, it was a really fun gun to shoot but I hated the odd trigger.

Hopefully they remedied that...


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The trigger on my PCC was pretty decent out of the box. I have the MCarbo spring set I'm going to install. Supposed to bring the pull down into the 2.5-3 lb range.

[Lloyd Smale]

ive got a 9mm ar15 from psa with a 4.5 inch barrel that even more compact they yours. thinking seriously about making it into a folder too. that said there just isn't the availability in the ar market for 40s like there is 10s. That and I already have the 9 if I want serious packability. To be honest I really could care less if this one was a take down. There usually just more finiky to get to shoot anyway. My only real problem with the ruger is im not paying 600 bucks. They need to make an entry level non takedown gun (kind of like they did with the stripped down lc9)with a floated m-loc or key-loc forend on it. Also they could save some money by just making it to use glock mags. Probably 90 percent of the buyers aren't going to bother with ruger mags anyway. Get the real world price down to 400 bucks and id bet theyd sell a bunch of them. People have no qualms about spending 350 on a highpoint. A 400 dollar ruger would probably capture most of high points business.
I have no need for the Ruger Carbine, but others definitely do, and I applaud the addition of a more powerful caliber choice.

I have an Extar EP9 PCC in 9mm, but it is more useful to me than the Ruger for the following reason:

1. The Ruger is too big and too heavy. The whole purpose, FOR ME, for a PCC is to have something with greater capacity and accuracy than a pistol, but is still compact and easily stowable. Yes, the Ruger can be taken down, but what good is it in two pieces?

239978

My Extar EP9 is under 2' and under 4lbs. It accepts Glock magazines without an adapter, and is extremely accurate.

I'm sure the Ruger is a fine range toy, but for it's size and weight, you can get an AR-based firearm that has many more options for customization. But for a truck gun for the ranch in which a more powerful caliber is not wanted, then the Ruger would be just fine.

I just think that if I'm going to restrict myself to a pistol caliber, then I want it as light and handy as possible...

239979

[Lloyd Smale]

never said the lighter powered rounds were fantastic sellers. Point was that every new round that has came out in recent years isn't a faster version of something before it. market isn't flush with 38 supers either and good luck finding something chambered in 10mm mag.
I don't see a lot of people abandoning .45 ACP for .45 GAP. Glock hasn't even put it in the Gen. 4 pistols.

[Burnt Fingers]

ive got a 9mm ar15 from psa with a 4.5 inch barrel that even more compact they yours. thinking seriously about making it into a folder too. that said there just isn't the availability in the ar market for 40s like there is 10s. That and I already have the 9 if I want serious packability. To be honest I really could care less if this one was a take down. There usually just more finiky to get to shoot anyway. My only real problem with the ruger is im not paying 600 bucks. They need to make an entry level non takedown gun (kind of like they did with the stripped down lc9)with a floated m-loc or key-loc forend on it. Also they could save some money by just making it to use glock mags. Probably 90 percent of the buyers aren't going to bother with ruger mags anyway. Get the real world price down to 400 bucks and id bet theyd sell a bunch of them. People have no qualms about spending 350 on a highpoint. A 400 dollar ruger would probably capture most of high points business.

PSA recently had the Ruger PCC for $399

[Lloyd Smale]

ya I saw that but it will be a while before the 40s get that cheap. When the 9s first came out people were estatic to get one even at 600 bucks. I would do 400 but I think im going to be waiting a while for them to get there. Never know though. Theres been a trend to bash the 40 for a while and ive got real good deals on 40 trade ins. Seems some idiots actually believe the ** that the 9 is just as good. Maybe the ruger 40 carbine will flop and places like psa will have them cheap sooner then I think
PSA recently had the Ruger PCC for $399

[Burnt Fingers]

I paid $499 for mine back in July. They had two at Academy. First ones I had seen on the shelf.