30-06 reduced load with jacketed help.

[Bazoo]

I have a 30-06 and I want to use 30-30 jacketed bullets to download it to 30-30 velocity. I can't find any info on this. There is 168 grain data for the 06 and I have 170 grain bullets. The listed starting load is pretty close to the max 30-30 velocity listed. So if I start there, will the accuracy be acceptable or should I start elsewhere?

I'm looking at using 3031 as that's what I have.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Bazoo

[Winger Ed.]

Sounds like you're on the right track.
Starting at minimum .30-06 loads for that powder won't get ya in trouble,
but for better accuracy, you may find yourself going up a bit.

[clearwater]

I did that exact thing for my 06 when hunting little coastal black tails. Loaded the Hornady 170 grain Flat nose to about 2300 fps and it gave good accuracy. Hornady told me it would still expand at 300 yards when muzzle velocity was about 2100 fps. I used 3031 as well. Lyman data. Did the same thing for a 25-06 using Hornady 117 round nose and 3031.

[Bazoo]

Thanks for the replies. That gives me some good hope clearwater. I am looking at the Lyman manual also. Did you get good accuracy with the starting load or did you have to tweak it?

[Rich/WIS]

Lee 2nd Edition has loads 23-2500 fps range for 170 gr jacketed bullets, all use the Vihatvouri powders.

[jaysouth]

30 grs. of 3031 with a little tuft of dacron will get you about 1900 fps with good accuracy.

[arlon]

Google 30-06 blue dot loads.

[BigAlofPa.]

This may be worth a read.
https://castbulletassoc.org/forum/thread/1387-the-load-is-13-grains-of-red-dot/

[Texas by God]

It is easily done with thirtythirtyone. I used to do the same thing with .308 Win as well. On the other hand, the 30-30 bullets at 30-06 velocity are as deadly a deer bullet to be found.

[Bazoo]

Thanks for all the replies. I've always been under the impression that 30-30 bullets would not withstand the velocity when fired out of a 30-06.

[clearwater]

I used the Lyman starting load of 3031 and I seat my bullet far out in my old 03 for better accuracy. This gets me about 2300+ fps in that rifle.

The Hornady 170 grain flat nosed bullet was made to use not only in the 30-30 but in the win. 307 which hits 2500 fps. Works in 30-40 Krag too, but I could never get the accuracy in that rifle that heavier bullets did.

[Drm50]

I bought a Rem 742c new in 1966. I was disappointed with the accuracy with 150 Core-locs factory. Best I could get was 3" at 100yds and that wasn't average. I had to down load to 2300fps/ Rem 170gr Universal bullet to get it to average 3". I used either IMR-3031 or 4198 for powder. By the way the heavier the bullet and lower the FPS the better it shot and would still cycle the action. That was a added plus. I got rid of that rifle but have a 1895 Win in 3006 that shot exceptionally well with that load. I don't run it hot anyway it's suppose to be kept under
45,000cpu.

[Winger Ed.]

Thanks for all the replies. I've always been under the impression that 30-30 bullets would not withstand the velocity when fired out of a 30-06.
Flipping through reloading manuals, you see the same round nose .30 pretty much being used at the speeds of everything else.
The Hornady book shows the same 150RN going in the low 2,000s for a .30-30.
The same one they show speeding along at 3,400 from a .300WinMag.
Logically, the .30-06 would be fine there in the middle somewhere.

[725]

Old Speer manuals listed reduced loads.

[tazman]

Thanks for all the replies. I've always been under the impression that 30-30 bullets would not withstand the velocity when fired out of a 30-06.

The ones designed for the 30-30 will open up faster on impact. The fun part is when you hit a deer at 300+ yards the bullet will still do a great job of expanding.

[Faret]

I think you can reduce H4895 to like 75% case fill or there is always trail boss. The hodgdon site has the info listed on the menu pull downs.

[izzyjoe]

I cannot remember where I read this, but I seen an article in a hunting magazine, could have been handloader, it was from the early 80's. But the whole topic was about using .30 flat nose bullets, with reduced loads in the 30-06. The author was getting decent accuracy, around 2400fps, and the effects on deer was astounding! I would think you could use 300 savage loads, and do very well with a 170gr fn bullet. Imr 4895 can be reduced, but I seen to remember something about not down loading H 4895. Others will know more about this!

[Bazoo]

Thanks for all the replies. I don't have any powder other than 3031 that will work for the 30-06 right now, so I'm going to start there.

[Wolfer]

When I had a scope on my 8mm Mauser I loaded the 170 gr Sierra over the same powder charge I used for the Lee 175. Probably 17 gr of 2400. Didn’t check for velocity but it was unreal accurate and shot to the same poa as my cast loads.

I haven’t tried it in a 30-06 but I’ll bet 21 gr of 2400 behind a 150/170 gr bullet will put a smile on your face.
For something faster I would look at Reloader 7
For many years and a large truck load of deer I used an old 760 with 51.1 gr of H380 and the 165 Sierra game king bullet. It just broke 2500 fps but was very accurate, pleasant to shoot and killed deer very well.

[EDG]

You might check a few of the older Speer manuals. They had data using SR4759 for many or most rounds.
SR4759 is no longer manufactured but 4227 and 5744 are both extruded powders with a similar burning rate. I can tell you the SR4759 data works really well. I have used the Speer data for both cast and jacketed bullets in the 45-70. I have also used it in the .30-30 and the .375 H&H with the 235 grn Speer bullet. I used the .375 data right out of the manual with excellent results. The load was very accurate and recoil was enjoyable.
There is also data for IMR 4227 in the old Dupont IMR data booklet that I have used for about 40 years.
3031 data is also listed for the .30-06 all though it is not much reduced.

http://pdf.textfiles.com/manuals/FIREARMS/imr_reloading.pdf


I have a 30-06 and I want to use 30-30 jacketed bullets to download it to 30-30 velocity. I can't find any info on this. There is 168 grain data for the 06 and I have 170 grain bullets. The listed starting load is pretty close to the max 30-30 velocity listed. So if I start there, will the accuracy be acceptable or should I start elsewhere?

I'm looking at using 3031 as that's what I have.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Bazoo

[tazman]

I was just looking at the Lyman cast boolit manual number 3(available online). It has data for the 30-06 using 3031 powder listed in it a full range of cast boolits giving velocities from 1700 fps to 2400fps.
While these were cast boolits, the data should be quite safe for jacketed as well.

[Silvercreek Farmer]

https://imrpowder.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/h4895-reduced-rifle-loads.pdf

[rintinglen]

I would try 38 grains of 3031 with a 170 grain bullet and work up to 42 grains looking for best accuracy. You might be able to go lower, (though IMR 4895 is more commonly used for this purpose) perhaps as low as 30.0 grains but I think you may find accuracy problems with that powder and load.